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I hadn’t opened up a new thread in a while, because it seemed the discussion had drifted off to general communal politics, but the specifics of the Tendler situation are back in the news, as some legal news has emerged at the conclusion of the last thread. Discussion continues here.
June 13th, 2006 at 11:40 am
UPDATE
The 6/5/06 decision signed by Judge Solomon denied KNH’s motion for change of venue. Nothing more, according to my sources. The suit against KNH has not been dismissed.
KNH had filed a motion for change of venue based on the fact that all parties (Adina; Tendler; KNH) were all residents of Rockland County and all the alleged incidents took place in Rockland County. Adina’s second residence on Park Avenue in Manhattan is the apparent justification of the Manhattan venue for the suits.
Tendler’s motion for dismissal is still under consideration. The basis of the motion is that clergy misconduct is not a valid basis for civil lawsuits in NY. If Tendler’s motion is granted, then the suit against Tendler and the suit against KNH (derivative) would be dismissed.
What will happen if Tendler’s case is dismissed? As I have said before, I think that Adina might go public with the tapes and DNA evidence, and let Tendler be tried in the court of public opinion.
Perhaps there is another possibility. It is known that Adina traveled to Israel to be with Tendler during the summer of 2003. See this statement from Adina’s host in Israel. Could Adina and Tendler have had intimate meetings elsewhere, in states other than NY? The nearest hotels to New Hempstead are only a few miles away across the border in Montvale, NJ. Perhaps Adina could file suit in NJ for clergy misconduct if the New York suit is dismissed due to the limitations of NY law in this case. Does anyone know if NJ law permits civil suits based on clergy misconduct?
KNH has already filed a cross claim against Tendler which would put total responsibility on him if there is any judgement against the shul.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:51 pm
DON’T BELIEVE INSIDER
HE FILLS IN HIS OWN KNH BIAS WHICH IS AGAINST VICTIMS
THERE IS A LAW SUIT AGAINST KNH FOR WHAT THEY DID TO VICTIMS
ALL INSIDER SAID HERE IS WRONG AS HIS OTHER LYING STATEMENTS
KNH VICTIMIZERS VICTIMS
KNH WILL GET NOTHING FROM VICTIMS. NOT ONE PIECE OF EVIDENCE
KNH WANTED TO CHANGE VENUE BECAUSE THEY KNOW ALL JUDGES IN ROCKLAND
POLITICAL FAVORITES IN ROCKLAND ARE GRANTED
PLAINTIFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY RESIDENCE IN ROCKLAND
JUDGE RULED ON THE TRUTH AND DIDN?T ALLOW KNH FALSE CLAIM TO CHANGE VENUE
KNHS’ LAWYERS’ LIE.
June 14th, 2006 at 10:48 am
Tendler is a train wreck. Ryan Karben is a train wreck. What the hell is wrong with our leaders? Why can’t we find decent good people as leaders? We have people who act worse than the lowest menuval. You have other people in New Hempstead who steal from people in their own shul while the shul and rav do nothing about it. I am so glad I moved away from NH. You people are lost sheep.
June 14th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
This was posted on the UOJ website, it is a comment about leadership today:
It is clear that with the proliferation of posts on this and other blogs that a grassroots movement against established Orthodoxy is well under way and gaining significant momentum.
Consider the fact that if you could ask Tendler in Monsey what the single most damning tool used against him was, the response would not be the audio tapes that were played for rabbonim and his congregants.
Without a doubt the blog was the single most influential medium - more so than the tapes - that has resulted in his removal and the continued infighting in Monsey.
There is no doubt that the blogging not only served as a conduit for disseminating information, but galvanized the community and its leaders into taking the action that ultimately resulted in Tendler’s loss of his pulpit.
While the final chapters of the Tendler saga have not been played out, it could be argued that had Tendler focused on the substantive issues, the what and the why, as opposed to the who, he would not be facing his harshest critics in his own backyard. No doubt his intent was to engage in ad hominen attacks that he hoped would shift focus from the substance of the allegations against him. Left to answer only the allegations and not their sources, Tendlers most effective defense was neutralized. The blog was instrumental in shifting the balance of power away from Tendler and his supporters to the clear majority convinced that regardless of his guilt, Tendler was unfit to serve in any capacity.
Much the same can be said for the music Kolko is now facing. While the rumors have doggedly followed him for decades, not until UOJ blogged his way into the history books, was Kolko removed from his position and access to young boys.
Established orthodoxy, if history is any sort of guide, will react in a belated and inappropriate fashion to this kind of movement.
Our leaders will not lead, they will dictate. They have forgotten the preschool rhyme about walking in front of those that may not follow. As issues like microscopic contaminants in water and questionable handling of human hair consume their thoughts, and the groundswell of anger and contempt for abuse in the community rises, the void for true leadership will only magnify the problems facing Klal Yisrael today.
The current call to arms, highlighted by the Lakewood ban, and more recently, the asifah against internet use in Monsey, is focused on painting the internet solely as a critical danger and porthole to a world of pornography and obscenity that is unparalleled in our time.
This does not reflect merely a simple-minded lack of understanding of how the internet should be utilized. Certainly, there is no doubt that criminals troll chat rooms for victims. There is no doubt that a simple typo on Google can lead to a screen full of nudity. Accordingly there is no doubt that strict filtering and vigilant monitoring of the net is critical to a Torah-true home.
But the internet has, and will continue to provide, a means of communicating with masses of people who only need a common url to congregate and inform each other, exchange ideas, formulate strategies, plan and take action.
So bans of any kind on halachic grounds will miss the mark entirely, in particular because rabbinic abuse has been the first and foremost target of orthoblogs. So empowering in nature, any effort at widespread bans will only be met with either covert activity or outright contempt.
Clearly we are experiencing a revolution in frum communities. Responsibility and accountability, two sometimes very vague concepts in Orthodoxy, are very much in play. It is much too soon to tell how all this will play out, but it is certainly an exciting time. Torah values are very real and very dear to a lot of people. Let us hope that the information superhighway leads to the Promised Land.
June 14th, 2006 at 3:10 pm
Zipi Adlerstien write: Better later then never…
If anyone wants to SEE the real Yichus of our “Rabbinis Dynasty” Tendler-Fienstien goggle please: The Barbie twins.
Now I understand where Aron and Mordechai picked their sex addiction. I can’t forget a strange incident that happened 10 years ago:
Place: Hillel Academy
Event: BJE summer institute; training session for Jewish educators
Speaker: Dr. / Rabbi Moshe Tendler
I walked in quietly while the session was on. The speaker looked at me and started to rave about Morot - Judaica female teachers, who go with their heads bare and probably wear skimpy bikinis at the beach. I was stunt trying to find an empty seat just to hide… as most of the women in the auditorium had Shaitels - wigs or head covering. As soon as I caught my breath back, I left. For years I couldn’t figure out why a man in his stature did this. I was one of the organizers of the event, 20 years veteran educator and in the beginning of my 4th pregnancy…Me in a bikini? I wish!
After SEEING his nieces in Porno pictures displaying ALL their glory… I finally got it.
June 14th, 2006 at 8:15 pm
It seems that MT decided to sue the bloggers again this time in CA
see ...
June 15th, 2006 at 9:06 am
And the Beat Goes On………………………….
In a decision/order dated June 14, 2006, Her Honor, Justice Solomon of the New York State Supreme Court, County of New York threw out two causes of action in the Marmelstein suit and allowed two others, viz., breach of fiduciary relationship and the intentional infliction of emotional distress to survive and go forward.
Tendler must now answer the complaint within ten days of service of the decision/order with notice of entry in the Clerk’s office.
While I did not think the suit had any chance of survival on any grounds, Justice Solomon wrote a very scholarly yet straight forward opinion. It most certainly will be published in the Law Journal and quoted elsewhere and is deserving of our attention.
Now the ball is back in Tendler’s court and what his next move will be. If he answers, there most certainly will be pre-trial discovery. I personally believe that the charges made by other women will come up for examination as a grounds to test the credibility of the parties and to show a possible pattern of conduct consistent with the charges made by Ms. Marmelstein.
June 15th, 2006 at 10:11 am
That is remarkable news.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:02 am
This appears to be a huge defeat for both KNH and rasha Tendler I.
Further, this places rasha Tendler I between a rock and a hard place. He now has to personally respond to these serious allegations which leaves him with only four options:
1) claim that the alleged sexual contact did not occur
2) claim that the alleged sexual contact was consensual
3) do not file an answer
4) offer a huge settlement
Each is a losing proposition. 1 would be a problem due to the evidence which will be introduced into the record. 2 and 3 would be a problem as it would destroy the support he still maintains among his remaining supporters who believe him. 4 is unlikely due to the public conduct of rasha Tendler I against the Plaintiff through his supporters (Jewish Voice) and the cross-claim by KNH.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:29 am
zipi
I just googled the barbie twins, I can’t find anything saying they’re his nieces. what’s the relation?
June 15th, 2006 at 11:36 am
Since the negligent intentional infliction was thrown out and the Judge basically ruled that he acted outside the scope of his duties as a “Rabbi”, it is highly concevable that KNH will make a motion to dismiss AM’s claim of “negligent retention” based on this. This decision worked out very well for KNH.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:11 pm
First, to Kish Mich: your commentary on the importance of the blogs in the revelation of rabbinic sexual abuse, let alone its hubris, is deserving more than a simple entry on this blog. Well written and thought out, it should be required reading for orthodox Jews, and, in particular, BTs. May I suggest that you attempt publishing your piece elsewhere with a greater public (no pun intended) ‘exposure.’
On JWB’s commentary, also well thought out. Tendler must file an answer unless he seeks an immediate appeal. He can deny any sexual contact, but as an affirmative defense, allege, in the alternative, a consensual relationship. I never thought of the consequences to his zombie-like followers, but depending on how the answer is framed, it could be a significant wake-up call to them and revive the rightful abhorrence of the Monsey community against Tendler. Pity his family on this.
As to KNH, though, I am not all that much concerned. MY own opinion is let Marmelstein and Tendler slug it out in pre trial discovery. However, Marmelstein may attempt to support her claims against the shul by deposing past officers. Reminds me of former Sen. Howard Baker whom, I believe,when during the Watergate hearings, he asked witnesses: What did the President know, and when did he know it?
Me thinks, without doing any research, KNH should keep open the possibility of Justice Solomon’s denial of KNH’s change of venue. I do not think that a Rockland jury or even a New York County jury for that matter would award AM any extensive damages against KNH on her derivative claims.
Everyone must agree that this case must be kept in the public limelight, mainly, in the hope of discouraging folks from using religion to prey on innocents.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
>is highly concevable that KNH will make a motion to dismiss AM’s
>claim of “negligent retention? based on this. This decision worked
>out very well for KNH.
I don’t follow your analysis. While KHN may bring such a motion and others (to needlessly delay and waste everyone’s time and money), after discussions and some quick internet research, I believe that negligent retention is the stronger claim against KNH.
Negligent retention tort claims are based on the theory that an employer has a continuing duty to retain only those employees who are fit and competent. An employer may be held liable for negligent retention if it:
1. had reason to know of the particular unfitness, incompetence or dangerous attributes of the employee and
2. could reasonably have foreseen that such qualities created a risk of harm to other persons.
Can you say RCA/Praesidium investigation, report and expulsion? Can you say never suspended during that time? Can you say continued to meet with women in his synagogue office during that time?
It appears clear that the State of New York identifies such a cause of action for negligent hiring (related to negligent retention) where an employer “knew of or should have known of the employee’s propensity to commit injury.” T.W. v. City of New York, 729 N.Y.S.2d 96, 97-98 (App. Div. 2001).
In other words, this decision worked out very well for everyone BUT KNH.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
Insider: On what basis do you claim to know which of the plaintiff’s residences is primary and which is secondary? She lived in Manhattan way before visiting Monsey.
Second: What is the reason that you used the word “alleged” about the “incidents?” Clearly you believe, (and rightly so) that they took place. (See for example the end of your post.)
JWB:terrific post.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:34 pm
>Me thinks, without doing any research, KNH should keep open
>the possibility of Justice Solomon’s denial of KNH’s change of venue.
It appears from the February 14, 2006 stipulation that KHN has. But as we discussed several weeks back, KNH should have done a little more homework. The Plaintiff had legitimate reason to choose this venue and Justice Solomon agreed on June 9, 2006.
>may attempt to support her claims against the shul by
>deposing past officers.
I wouldn’t stop there, I would be deposing a number of KNH members as well. Where do you think the vile personal attacks here and in the a number of Jewish Voice originated?
>I do not think that a Rockland jury or even a New York County
>jury for that matter would award AM any extensive damages
>against KNH on her derivative claims.
Likely as you have not heard and seen what will be documented before them. This may be a case where the jury may choose to send a message to KNH and institutions like it, the only messages that KNH seems to hear are the ones that effect their cholent or pocket.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:04 pm
prophet reader: Above, I said “Adina’s second residence…”. Not, “Adina’s secondary residence”. If elsewhere I wrote “secondary”, I meant it in place of the word “additional”, not in the primary vs. secondary sense.
Since you are picking at my words, I’ll return the favor. You wrote “She lived in Manhattan way before visiting Monsey.”
Adina did not “visit” Monsey (except for in the very beginning, perhaps). She lived here. How do I know that? Because many people (myself included) used to drive her all over the place at Tendler’s request, including back and forth to the grocery store and to her Monsey apartment. We all saw her, practically every single day, inside KNH, outside of KNH, on the street between KNH and Tendler’s house or walking along the streets of Monsey. If I remember correctly, she even tried to start a business in the area (teaching Yoga, I think). That sounds like a resident, not a visitor.
I don’t know (or care) about the definition of primary and secondary residence as far as the legal issues are concerned. All I know is that she has one residence in Manhattan and has/had a second residence in Monsey (and afterwards in New Hempstead).
Regarding your second point, yes I believe that Tendler is 100% guilty. I have seen the evidence. I have spoken with the victims. I heard the tapes. I have spoken with the Rabbis involved. I even discussed the allegations with Tendler. However, until a court or beit din rule against him, I choose to include the word “alleged”.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:31 pm
To KNHer: I do not believe that KNH would be let out of the case at this point. I believe Justice Solomon now wants discovery to take place. Hold your breath………the Best is Yet to Come.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
Rasha Tendler I can not fool the real courts that have rules and prodedures. This is not some kangaroo unaccountable bais din with a convicted felon/ganav sitting on it. There will be discoveries and evidence will be put on the record.
There is a very good reason rasha Tendler I is doing everything in his power not to file an answer to this compaint. He clearly does not want his day in court and has no intention of even trying to “clear” his name of the allegations.
He and his supporters are simply trying to delay the inevitable and deny reality. So they argue procedure instead of substance, they try to destroy the names of others rather than answer the allegations and they run from judgment rather than demand it.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:10 pm
Kish Mich writes: “Our leaders will not lead, they will dictate. They have forgotten the preschool rhyme about walking in front of those that may not follow. As issues like microscopic contaminants in water and questionable handling of human hair consume their thoughts, and the groundswell of anger and contempt for abuse in the community rises, the void for true leadership will only magnify the problems facing Klal Yisrael today.”
How true, and with apologies to Kish Mich, I dwell on one other topic. Please see below and bring a hanky.
Subject: OpEd: WHO CARES ABOUT JONATHAN POLLARD? By Kenneth Lasson - L1-19
OpEd: WHO CARES ABOUT JONATHAN POLLARD?
By Kenneth Lasson - The Baltimore Jewish News - June 9, 2006
May be reprinted.
Who wants to hear anything more about Jonathan Pollard?
Not the government of the United States, or its criminal justice system, which long ago convicted Pollard of passing classified information to a foreign government - an offense normally punished by brief incarceration - and sentenced him to life in prison. Pollard is now serving his twenty-first year behind bars.
Not the government of Israel, to which Pollard gave data about its enemies’ military capabilities. Although there have been numerous opportunities for Israeli prime ministers to raise their voices in Washington on the behalf of its acknowledged agent, not one of them - with the notable (and failed) exception of Binyamin Netanyahu - has ever done so.
Not the American Jewish establishment, which early on in the Pollard saga saw fit to muffle itself, out of both high embarrassment and fear that to protest Pollard’s mistreatment would subject it to the traditional anti-Semitic canard of dual loyalty.
Not the American people, who are (perhaps understandably) preoccupied with the excesses of and plummeting confidence in the Bush Administration - its conduct of the war in Iraq, its use of torture, its domestic spying, its failed immigration policies - not to mention the cost of gasoline, the hype over The Da Vinci Code, the plight of an injured horse, or the size of Barry Bonds’ head and ego.
No, the only people who seem to care about Pollard nowadays are those who always have, but with virtually no power to do anything for his release: his wife, a few scattered activists - and the rank and file of American and Israeli Jews.
Our highly flawed intelligence community knows full well that Pollard’s misdeeds pale in comparison with those of Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanson, to name just two whose perfidy actually cost American lives and seriously compromised national security. The State and Justice Departments’ refusal to come clean about the facts smacks of little more than sophisticated anti-Semitism.
On the other hand, many law professors and libertarians have taken up the cudgels for Pollard because they truly believe that American justice requires them to make things right when the system goes wrong. That Pollard is Jewish and his goal was to help Israel are beside the point: anyone subjected to the same unfair treatment, in which a plea agreement was blatantly abrogated in favor of a shockingly disproportionate punishment (the average sentence for his offense is 2-4 years), deserves redress. Most objective observers agree with the assessment of federal judge Stephen Williams, the lone dissenter in one of Pollard’s appeals, who characterized his plight as “a gross miscarriage of justice.”
The American Jewish establishment should be ashamed of itself for being ashamed of itself. While the Pollard case may have stained the image it has of itself and strained its exceptionally cordial relationship with their government - if our leaders were truly confident of their place in American society they should make loud and clear demands for fair treatment. Yet at the recent national plenum of Jewish Communal Professionals in Washington, D.C., in response to the question “What if anything is being done about Jonathan Pollard?,” the answer was “He is not on our radar screen.”
This, while children and teachers in Jewish day schools across the United States are saying special prayers for pidyon shivuyim - the redemption of a captive that the religion considers to be a positive commandment. And while in Jerusalem and other parts of Israel, private citizens regularly demonstrate at the Knesset and the Kotel on behalf of Jonathan Pollard.
That’s what happened several weeks ago, on Yom Yerushalayim, in response to a statement issued by Pollard addressed to “My Brothers and Sisters, the whole House of Israel,” which described the past 21 years of his life. He said that it has never been easy for him to get a message out from within his prison walls, but that he has “always deliberately avoided using the limited opportunities to communicate with the Israeli public to talk about my own private hell”; that he has “preferred to forego expressing my feelings of isolation, betrayal and abandonment; or speaking about my deteriorating health and the life-and-death nature of my daily existence”; that, instead, he has chosen to focus on the moral obligation never to abandon a wounded soldier in the field.
Israeli officials, he said, who for years claimed to be using “quiet diplomacy” for his release, while waiting for time to take its own effect, never imagined that the “Pollard problem” would still be around after all this time.
Israel’s callous disregard for one of its agents is unconscionable. Pollard remains a Prisoner of Zion despite, if not because of, his very Zionism. Only Netanyahu, who said that he participated in and signed the Wye Plantation Accords with the explicit understanding that Pollard would be released, recognized that sad irony. Put plainly, Netanyahu was double-crossed by Bill Clinton.
What has kept Pollard going all these years is largely the support and encouragement of his wife, Esther; his rabbi, Mordecai Eliyahu (the former Chief Rabbi of Israel); and a small cadre of supporters around the world.
But now, he said, time is running out. With his U.S. legal appeals exhausted, he places responsibility for his fate squarely on the government of Israel. “My brothers and sisters! My desperate situation, the result of the Government’s treachery and abandonment, is a chillul HaShem that screams to the Heavens. Where is the Nation? I cry out to you from the depths of my soul: Zion, hallo tishalee eht shlom assiraych? Zion, won’t you seek the welfare of your captives! I do not fear for my own fate. Whatever Heaven decrees for me I will accept with love. But I am filled with dread for the fate of the Nation which I so love [which] continues to . . . ignore the divine commandment: ‘Do not stand idly by your brother’s blood . . .’
“I do not know how much time is left. I only hope and pray with all my might, for the sake of the Nation of Israel, that we will all wake up and do what needs to be done, now, before it is too late!”
June 15th, 2006 at 7:37 pm
Jeffrey, you are still fat and still a crappy lawyer.
Even JWB reads the case better than you.
Go on a diet - between your ears.
June 15th, 2006 at 9:10 pm
Jeff, thank you for posting about this issue of critical importance to us.
June 15th, 2006 at 10:51 pm
Pity poor Pollard. But how did this get here?
June 16th, 2006 at 12:30 am
Insider: Thanks for your clarification. How did you get the judgment so quickly?
June 16th, 2006 at 12:32 am
I’ve heard that Tendler is planning to escape to Israel. Is there any way to stop this? If he moves to Israel what happens with the lawsuits?
Readers in Israel: Are you ready to have a picket line at the airport to scare the hell out of this rasha before he brings more pollution to eretz yisrael?
June 16th, 2006 at 7:25 am
>what happens with the lawsuits?
KNH gets stuck holding the bag. Good luck collecting on your cross-claim.
June 16th, 2006 at 9:53 am
That’s because KNH has a legal idiot as one of it’s advisors on its board.
Think back.
A year ago, he was one of the loudest RMT supporters.
Now, he’s one of the biggest anti-RMT people.
Is he normal?
June 17th, 2006 at 11:31 pm
Could someone either post a copy of the June 14, 2006 decision or send one to SIW to post?
June 17th, 2006 at 11:49 pm
Any evidence to the claim made here that the Barbi twins are in fact related to the Feinsteins?
June 18th, 2006 at 12:39 am
According to their biographies, they were born in 1976 in Ohio, one was Miss Ohio before they posed for Playboy. That would make them an age eligible to be the daughters of the Feinstein twins, who were born in the very early 1950’s –they are older than Mordechai Tendler.
There is no end to what will be repeated as Fact among Jews, so long as it is loshon hora and the most dreadful malice about someone defenseless. And all the better if it denigrates a revered family that many are jealous of.
What a shameful posting by ZIppi Alderstein. No wonder everyone here uses anonymous.
June 18th, 2006 at 1:54 am
The Barbi twins claim is over 15 years old, and it was long ago dismissed as a rumor started by someone with a gripe against the Tendler family. I met Rabbi Tendler’s identical twin cousins at one of the weddings in Monsey. They definitely do not have the kind of look that would be in a men’s magazine and they look nothing like the Barbie twins pictures that I found online. The link below has a picture of the Barbie Twins. The pictures are not nude, but are certainly not modest either.
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June 18th, 2006 at 11:17 am
This Story goes back to 1970.To put it nicely,it is an urban legend.to put it more accurately,it is pure BULLSHIT.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
Can anyone sum up where all the myriad lawsuits are holding and what Rabbi Tendler is doing nowadays for parnassah?
June 20th, 2006 at 1:22 am
>Can anyone sum up where all the myriad lawsuits are
>holding
Simple. Tendler is doing everything in his power to delay his day in court. No answer filed to any complaint against him.
My analysis has been dead on to date.
A better question is how much has KNH spent in legal fees to date to accomplish absolutely nothing.
June 21st, 2006 at 8:21 am
Shane and Sia Barbi
Shane Barbi and Sia Barbi, also known as The Barbi Twins (born April 2, 1963 in San Diego, California), are identical twins and pin-up models. Shane and Sia posed together in two top-selling issues of Playboy, and also in several internationally-distributed calendars. Not long after their Playboy days, they made a foray into voice acting, with several cameo appearances as brunette scientists in the American animated series Eek! The Cat.
Shane and Sia began modelling at the age of seven when they posed for a layout in the Sears mail-order catalog. Their adult career has spanned fashion, softcore, and pin-up modelling. After the success of their 1993 calendar released by Topps, Shane and Sia published a premium-rate telephone number called the Barbi Hotline. In addition to the calendar, Topps also published two comic books and a promotional trading card depicting Shane and Sia.
As adults, the twins developed bulimia, which they have since overcome. Their book, Dying To Be Healthy: A Breakthrough Diet, Nutrition and Self Help Guide (1999), tells the story of their struggles with eating disorders. A portion of the book’s profits benefit organizations that strive to combat eating disorders. In the 2000s, Shane and Sia lectured and spoke on television, radio, and online about eating disorders and their careers. In early 2001, they appeared on the CBS television program 48 Hours in a piece about eating disorders, entitled “Slim Chance”. After the program aired, CBS hosted a moderated online chat session in which the twins responded to questions from the public.
Shane Barbi has been married to actor Ken Wahl since September 17, 1997. She is Wahl’s third wife; his children from past marriages include Louie, Raymond, Cody, and Kyra. In an interview on the Howard Stern Show on the E! Network and as reported in the January 2004 Hustler magazine article, Shane Barbi claims that she “shares” Wahl with Sia. The Hustler article went into further detail claiming that the twins have engaged in incestuous lesbian acts performed for Wahl.
In 2003 the twins sued Larry Flynt over explicit photos taken by Wahl earlier in the year and described in the lawsuit as showing “intimate sexual acts between the twin sisters,”. [1] The photographs appear to be the ones later published in the January 2004 Hustler article.
Zei Git Gebentched
June 21st, 2006 at 7:51 pm
The Barbi Twins have nothing to do with the Schisgal twins. The Barbi Twins are younger. Other accounts say the travesty took place in 1983 in Penthouse. No evidence around anywhere, unless you own the ‘83 issues or want to buy them all on ebay. Wikipedia has a list of who appeared in each issue, but in each issue there is a series of photos that is identified only by the photographer.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:50 am
NH Old Timer: If you are going to copy articles from the internet-you should at least quote your sources. Unless you want people to think that you are an expert on porn, in which case-your lifting the Wikipedia article will do you well.
In any event-it was the most intelligent posting I’ve seen from you for a long time.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:51 pm
I know NH Old Timer . He IS an expert in porn!
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:51 pm
Ignore the prophet reader post above. It was written by an imposter!
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:46 pm
It seems to me that if you read the judge’s decision carefully, it looks good for KNH.
Judge Solomon takes a strong position that the Langford case does not apply here, because Adina claims to have sought counseling from Tendler only in the area of advice to find a husband and to have children, not for any religious or spiritual counseling. The judge also notes that Adina claims to have consulted with Tendler because of his reputation as a community leader with expertise in women’s issues, and not because he is the rabbi of a synagogue. The judge further points out that Adina was being counseled by Tendler for two years before joining KNH.
Adina’s lawyers were very careful to portray her counseling from Tendler as an entirely non-religious function, therefore avoiding dismissal based on the clergy abuse legal issues (as in the Langford case). However, if the allegations against Tendler are all based upon the assumption of non-religious counseling and totally unrelated to his position as rabbi of KNH, then it seems that there might be a legitimate argument that Tendler’s employment at KNH is irrelevant to this case and that the case against KNH should be dismissed.
I can see the other side of the argument, that KNH is still liable, because some of the abuse took place inside of KNH, and that KNH officers should have known about it and acted to protect Adina. Ultimately, it will probably be up to a jury to decide.
Tendler’s response to the remaining two causes is due in a few days, and the fallout of that response should be interesting (as noted by jewishwhistleblower in an earlier comment).
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:19 pm
>then it seems that there might be a legitimate argument that
>Tendler’s employment at KNH is irrelevant to this case and
>that the case against KNH should be dismissed.
Unlikely, Solomon upheld two causes against KNH.
>I can see the other side of the argument, that KNH is still liable,
>because some of the abuse took place inside of KNH, and that
>KNH officers should have known about it and acted to protect survivor.
Exactly and knowledge of the RCA/Praesidium investigation, findings and expulsion are a slam dunk. Why KNH hasn’t made an offer in writing to settle is beyond me. The fact is that they stand to lose big time at trial and it’s unlikely they’ll be able to collect on a successful coss-claim against Tendler.
I suspect KNH is playing hardball, hoping to settle on the eve of trial for a song. Folks, it’s a bad move. It won’t happen as things stand now. Kramer took this case to win and make legal precedent in this area. KNH could find itself with a mid to high 6 figure or a low 7 figure judgment against it if it goes to a jury.
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:06 pm
The shul has no reason to settle. They have a strong legal defense and a strong case against Rabbi Tendler to pay any damages. Rabbi Tendler has a lot more to lose than the shul does. I think that he will offer a settlement since he has access to a lot of money which the shul probably does not. We all know that he has rich relatives and at least two very rich supporters. If he pays AM a settlement and avoids going to trial then the suit against the shul disappears. The shul can only lose after the court decides that the charges against Rabbi Tendler are true which would not happen if Tendler pays a settlement and AM drops her suit. The bottom line is that the shul would be crazy to offer Adina one penny at this point.
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:10 pm
Let’s get back to reality.
>The shul has no reason to settle.
The Judge sent them a very strong message to do just that, by not throwing out the remaining causes.
> They have a strong legal defense
Really? What? The ignored the RCA/Praesidium investigation, findings and expulsion and allowed Tendler to continue using his office for counselling and there will be more put on the court record.
>and a strong case against Rabbi Tendler to pay any damages.
I agree they have a strong cross-claim but how will they collect it from him? KNH will likely lose at trial and win on the cross-claim against Tendler. In other words, KNH gets left footing the bill because they will never be able to collect from Tendler. By the way how much do you think KNH has spent to date on their lawyers? How much will they still spend when this goes to trial? They won’t get any of that back. That could exceed 6 figures.
I expect that KNH’s insurance isn’t going to cover a dime of that.
>Rabbi Tendler has a lot more to lose than the shul does.
Of course he does, that’s why he’s avoiding filing an answer and delaying the process.
>I think that he will offer a settlement since he has access to a
>lot of money which the shul probably does not.
Why would those relatives pay anyone? Tendler can just leave the jurisdiction and refuse to pay. Which is my best evaluation of what will likely occur.
>We all know that he has rich relatives and at least two very
>rich supporters. If he pays survivor a settlement and avoids going
>to trial then the suit against the shul disappears.
Dream on. They’re are not going to pay anyone off now that this is public. How can they claim vindication if they do that? How will they explain it to the koolaid crowd?
>The shul can only lose after the court decides that the charges
>against Rabbi Tendler are true which would not happen if Tendler
>pays a settlement and AM drops her suit.
Not necessarily. A settlement with Tendler doesn’t mean the suit against KNH is dropped. But that’s academic. Tendler has no reason to pay anyone. How is anyone going to collect on a judgment against him? How does KNH expect to collect from Tendler?
>The bottom line is that the shul would be crazy to offer survivor one
>penny at this point.
The bottom line is they can take steps to apologize and pay the $350,000 or so they offered Tendler over say 15 years to the Plaintiff or they can go to court and lose somewhere between a mid 6 figure amount and a low 7 figure amount. That judgment will be registered against the property of KNH and will be collected. What do you plan to register a judgment against Tendler on? What will KNH collect on?
Have you thought this through?
Kramer is a smart lawyer, this is her area. She took the case because it’s a good case, one she can win and create new legal precedents. So far that is exactly what she has done. KNH’s legal team is outmatched. So far all they’ve done is consistently demonstrated they are too close to the situation to evaluate it objectively and understand the totallity of the situation they are in. That was clear when they dealt with the RCA, it was clear when they dealt with Tendler and it is clear now.
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:23 pm
Please put your law license back in the crackerjack box where you got it. Have you even read the judge’s decision? Only a few days ago you were here begging for someone to send it to you.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 am
Perhaps you could assist us with what aspects of my analysis you disagree with and why?
I suspect you’ve pulled your analysis out of the crackerjack box.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:44 am
my question remains to Insider: Who passed you the decision? You knew before the ink even cooled!
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:14 am
Actually it was Jeff Cohen who had the inside track on this - perhaps he is the inside-insider. Seriously, I am sure insider is careful with his remarks because he wants to maintain his sources while at the same time remain anonymous and continue to post. So asking him questions like that are unfair as answering them could cause a compromising situation.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:36 am
What is the reason that Insider can’t speak for himself kish? What makes you need to protect him?
And yes-I would say that getting a copy of something like that possibly even before the parties themselves get it does sound like a compromising situation.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:50 am
jewishwhistleblower still refuses to answer a simple yes/no question: have you read the decision? I don’t have it, but I’m sure that Jeff or Insider could ask you some simple questions that would prove if you have it. What is the 4th word on the 3rd page, for example. You are a big legal pundit for a guy who is probably not a lawyer and apparently has not even read the judgement.
Your comments about the shul’s financial liability are coming straight out of your tochus. You have no idea what the damages could be in the event that the shul has to pay AM one cent.
You claim that Rabbi Tendler can simply move away from the jurisdiction and avoid paying any judgement against him (”Tendler can just leave the jurisdiction and refuse to pay.”). Guess what genius, Rabbi Tendler already lives outside of the jurisdiction of the NYC courts. You are a fool if you believe your own crap. Even if he moves to Israel there are plenty of legal actions that can be taken against him to make his life very unpleasant. Rabbi Tendler wants to avoid the headlines and further embarassment, and running away to avoid a judgement does not make sense. He has rich relatives and a few extremely rich blinded followers who will do whatever he says. Even a multimillion dollar judgement is easy for his relatives and supporters to pay without breaking a sweat. Anyone who is so blinded that they are still following him today after most of Monsey has seen the evidence will continue to follow him even after the court rules against him. He will tell his minyan minions that he was framed, and they will believe whatever he says and write big checks to pay the judgement. Who do you think is supporting him now, with no job and huge legal bills?
You said that AM’s lawyer is smart (”Kramer is a smart lawyer”), and I assume that you are right. If anyone actually thinks that Tendler would skip town to avoid paying a judgement, then smart Lenore Kramer would make a motion to the court to put a lock on Tendler’s assets.
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:45 am
A search of the records of Rockland County Clerk shows that Tendler has not done anything to protect his home. Its still in their name — could they lose it if they lose the case(s)?
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:47 am
Insider is none other than Danny Boy.
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:59 am
Jeffrey hasn’t posted the case because his tochus hasn’t found
its way to court in years.
It’s hard to represent someone when you are drunk.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pm
To Jefrrey Is A Loser Says: I really tire of you. You are a total coward and are undeserving of the Jewish faith. But, since you were born to it, I can only refer to you as the KIKE that you are. I will be more than happy to personally meet you if you are offended by my characterization of you.
Otherwise, although I have read the decision. It was sent to Dan Schwartz’s office, I have been waiting to see if it would make its way into the law journal or into e-courts. It has not.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:51 pm
Jeffery Cohen, you are covering for Danny Boy Schwartz.
Since he is the source you used here to post the judgment of June 14th, before it was recorded in the courts by Judge Solomon, and you are not a lawyer in the case, it is obviously you got it from him. Only the lawyers involved had it that fast. The fact that you have an “Insider? to give you this info, a trader, a two faced professional, so fast, demonstrates a very preponderant issue. That is, why is it that you and Danny Boy Schwartz, who needs to be identified as an Insider, who you collaborate, unite and prepossess the same agenda, have this obsessive need to make it a priority to post before the pot is off the kettle or assumptions’ of the situation?
Everyone knows Danny Boy Schwartz is Insider; perhaps you posted first instead of him covering up that the lawyer for KNH is giving info. out. Why be so secretive? It’s known that Danny Boy Schwartz posted all the time when the RCA made its determination. It’s known that Daniel Schwartz,esq., defended Rabbi Mordecai Tendler in the Jewish Week when he represented him. So its not news.
June 25th, 2006 at 4:29 am
Jewish Fecal matter
You are not going to like this, but the reason KNH has no reason (redundant, sorry) to settle with AM, is because she is not a victim. End of story. Taking into account the RCA decision, the presidium decision, the 7 Rabbi’s Decision, Rabbi Wosner’s decision and the Mike Tyson decision, AM is not a victim and KNH had no duty to “protect” her, from that which she deliberately sought. The fact that RMT is a Rabbi and was involved in “conduct unbecoming any orthodox Jew” has no bearing on AM’s case. Lenore Kramer is hoping to go after somebody’s deep pockets and she doesn’t care who.
June 25th, 2006 at 9:22 am
And the beat goes on…………………….From the Sunday, 6/25/06 Washington Post on the Jack Abramoff scandal.
“E-mails show that Abramoff also moved client money through a conservative Jewish foundation called Toward Tradition, run by longtime Abramoff friend Rabbi Daniel Lapin. In January 2000, when [Ralph] Reed sent Abramoff an $867,000 invoice to be billed to a Choctaw official, Abramoff responded: “Ok, thanks. Please get me the groups we are using, since I want to give this to her all at once.” Reed responded: “Amy, Grover, Lapin and one other I will get you.”
Abramoff tapped the same cluster of tax-exempt groups in 2000 to help defeat legislation to ban gambling on the Internet. Abramoff’s client, an online gambling services company called eLottery, donated money to ATR, the policy research center and Toward Tradition.
In May 2000, just before a key vote on the anti-gambling bill, the research center paid for the Scotland trip for then-House Majority Whip DeLay. Toward Tradition hired the wife of DeLay aide Tony C. Rudy, who later pleaded guilty to conspiring to corrupt public officials, saying his wife was paid in exchange for his official actions. Lapin has said his hiring of Lisa Rudy was not connected to any eLottery donations.”
Those at KNH should remember Rabbi ‘Danny Boy’ Lapin. [From Wikipedia: Daniel Lapin (born 1950?) is an American Orthodox rabbi living in Mercer Island, Washington, and the founder of Toward Tradition (a conservative Jewish-Christian organization). He also once headed the Pacific Jewish Center in Venice, Los Angeles, California, (as well as the Commonwealth Loan Company and the Cascadia Business Institute). Lapin is co-chair of the conservative American Alliance of Jews and Christians.]
Rabbi Lapin spoke at Kehillat New Hempstead, I believe on two occasions (possibly more). I believe Tendler and Lapin have known each other and been friends for years, and a connection may be Rabbi Matis Weinberg [”Kerem, which existed for seven years, employed some well-known rabbis in Los Angeles, including Rabbi Shalom Tendler, now rosh yeshiva at YULA; Rabbi Aron Tendler of Shaarei Tzedek Congregation; Rabbi Daniel Lapin, formerly of the Pacific Jewish Center in Venice; and Rabbi Eliezer Eidlitz, now director of development at Emek Hebrew Academy.” Battle for the Truth - Rabbi Mattis Weinberg fights Yeshiva University over charges of “inappropriate influence.” by Julie Gruenbaum Fax, Religion Editor, The Jewish Journal of Orange County - March 28, 2003 ]
In fact, Lapin wrote a letter on behalf of Tendler (See below).
Perhaps, KNH can contact Danny Boy to try and convince Tendler to move to Washington State where Lapin is situated for now [unless the Feds have different plans for him].
Just think of the shiurim at Lapin’s synagogue. Tendler on family values and Lapin on business ethics. “ONLY IN AMERICA!”
One of my questions I have for Danny Boy is when he named his organization “Towards Tradition”, exactly what ‘Tradition’ did he have in mind?
Dated March 21, 2005
Rabbi Daniel Lapin
It is late and I am writing these thoughts down under the combined influence of exhaustion, anger and fear for the future of American Judaism. I am also recording these thoughts as I do while writing a speech rather than as I would while trying to craft an article or column, so forgive the way it reads - I am focused on rythym and cadence as on substance. I had a long talk this night with RMT and feel more strongly then ever that someone needs to stand up and by sheer force of will bend the synagogue into a bulwark of defense. I also feel strongly that neither he nor his wife should be subjected to the indignity of appearing before the shul board to issue denials or anything else.) Failure to do all this will not save but doom the congregation. Failing to resist would also grant power over life and death of an independent congregation to the RCA or any other Jewish membership organization whose leadership could be usurped by men of ill will at any time.
June 25th, 2006 at 9:54 am
I disagree with Dovid. Rabbi Tendler has a history of seducing women who come to him for counseling. If AM came to Rabbi Tendler for counseling and he seduced her, then I think that Rabbi Tendler is mostly to blame and that AM is a victim. (It takes two to tango, so Adina is at least partially responsible for her decisions, but that does not excuse Rabbi Tendler’s actions.) I agree with your conclusion that the shul has no reason to settle with AM, but for very different reasons than yours.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:24 pm
Hey Jeffrey. Stop using the word “kike”. It is a word for retards, losers, and self-hating Jews such as yourself. It is not a nice work, ok? No one uses it any more, and neither should you. You should be ashamed of yourself, you phony.
June 25th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
Is this for real?
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June 25th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
New Url, sorry:
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June 25th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
Looks like BS from the Tendler PR machine printed in a newspaper that no one has ever heard of. If it is for real, why only post part of the article?
June 25th, 2006 at 7:16 pm
The bogus article says that Daniel Schwartz is a member of the KNH board. I believe that this is not true.
June 25th, 2006 at 11:19 pm
and a front page left column article about some little shul no less??!!!
My, Tendler certainly holds himself in high regard to merit a front page article on the nonexistant newspaper. That is the most amazing stuff yet.
Absent new revelations of public interest (as distinct from intra-shul backstabbing that has dominated this blog for the last few months), the Tendler story no longer merits back page coverage, even in the Jewish Mess.
Fear not for his parnosa, though. He has pilfered so much money from estates and divorces that appointed him admnistrator for life that the shteller itself was long irrelevant –except as a magnet to attract more dupes willing to sign over their life savings to his control.
June 26th, 2006 at 8:02 am
MAJOR UPDATE
Tendler is not going to submit an answer to the remaining two causes of action: breach of fiduciary relationship and the intentional infliction of emotional distress. He is filing an immediate appeal of Judge Solomon’s decision to deny dismissal of those two causes. As expected, Tendler is using every avenue of the legal system to avoid answering the accusations against him.
Kehillat New Hempstead is going to ask the judge to proceed immediately with Adina’s case against them, without waiting for the outcome of the Tendler appeal. This could be seen as an unusual step, since the case against KNH is a derivative action and it would seem to make sense to let the primary case be held first. I suspect that KNH knows that Tendler will drag out his case as long as he can. KNH is eager to present a full defense as soon as possible and get the case behind them.
Even if Tendler succeeds in stalling his case in an appeal, it might not accomplish his obvious goal of avoiding the presentation of the evidence of his actions. If the case between Adina and KNH goes forward, the evidence against Tender would be highly relevant. That evidence could be presented as part of the Adina v. KNH case even while Tendler’s case is still being appealed. Perhaps Adina’s attorneys or KNH’s attorneys could even call Tendler as a witness to testify in the Adina v KNH case, and Tendler would have to testify under oath regarding his knowlege of the issues surrounding Adina’s claims against KNH.
This information is from reliable sources, but I have not yet confirmed it personally. If I find that any of the information here is incorrect, I’ll post a correction.
June 26th, 2006 at 8:45 am
Yep, the real Jeffrey comes out.
Anyone who disagrees with him is a KIKE.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:24 am
Unfortunately, Insider’s “Major Update” is no surprise at all. We could have written it in March 2005 or any time after that. RMT and his chasidim have done everything to avoid the emes. Too bad.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:42 am
Insider, wouldn’t Tendler have to obtain a stay to prevent the action from continuing at trial court? If he presents an OTSC to the Appellate Court seeking a TRO staying the trial court’s proceding, and the Appellate Court doesn’t grant the TRO then the trial court would proceed even pending the appeal. If that happens Tendler’s ;awyers may never perfect the appeal because the whole point was to get the TRO. Either way, you would know the same day whether or not the court grants the relief. From a time perspective it may not buy a lot.
You should also know that many attorneys well-versed in litigation do not make the best appellate attorneys so if there ends up being a lot of motion practice downtown on Madison Avenue, then KNH may not be getting the best or the most for their legal expense dollar.
Anyway, the trial court’s litigation continues until the Appellate Court affirmatively intervenes - simply filing a motion there is not enough. Also, the appellate court’s are not quick to step in when it comes to these types of motions - many of which are by law a matter of discretion of the trial judge. I’m no lawyer so I probably don’t know a lot, but success at this level is much more difficult than at trial court. Significantly more difficult.
Anyone out there with more info feel free to correct me I am just speculating.
Also, the case against KNH will not continue unless the case in chief continues. The court isn’t going to spend its resources twice to do what it can once. That will not happen.
By the way, I disagree wholeheartedly with the poster who thinks insider is Dan S.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:26 am
I see no reason that the trial should be delayed. Tendler will have to give the same testimony regardless of whether he is Defendant or not. If KNH is sensible, they will push this forward and quickly and bring it to an end. Obviously, Tendler does not want to file an answer and wants to delay the process as long as possible. If KNH was smart they would realize there is a good reason that Tendler wants to follow this strategy and do everything they can to make it untenable instead of assisting his delay tactics.
Enough time and money has already been wasted on the useless motion by KNH regarding dissmissal due to a change of venue. The only person that it assisted was Tendler. Let’s get on with it.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:42 am
Rockland’s Home Town Newspaper, The Rockland Times started in 1910 and ran until 1917. Clyde Hanson, a newspaper publisher from Malad started the paper.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:41 pm
In response to Insider and Kish Mich, Tendler will have to seek a stay not only of answering, but of pre trial discovery. He can seek permission from Justice Solomon or the AD First Department. Any attempt to secure a stay will require the parties to be present and argue the matter. The AD will inquire of what prejudice there will be in going forward on both fronts, i.e., the appeal and the answer and discovery stage. The AD may consider a stay provided Tendler is given a short leash in which to perfect his appeal; otherwise Tendler will have 9 months to do so. While I do appellate work, I am not so sure that Tendler won’t be given a stay as long as he perfects relatively quickly. After all, AM waited a considerable period of time before filing her suit and witness the fact that statute of limitation questions are still somewhat present.
Notwithstanding this, I do not understand AM or her attorney. Because of Tendler’s status, his family ties and the unanswered questions behind his brother’s resignation, I would think that there is a good story to be told—and that a publisher or even a production company might want the rights to her story. My own opinion is that there is more money to be made this way than with this lawsuit. Afterall, a weak spot in Ms. AM’s case may well be her own mental state at different times in her life and what, if any, has been her sexual lifestyle. Indeed, the fact is that she will have to open up her whole medical file to the parties, especially in suing in tort, e.g., infliction of emotional distress. This could be embarassing, but more importantly, affect her credibility not so much as to the truth of the allegations, but, on the alleged emotional damage done her.
These concerns would not have to be dealt with if AM went public. So, if I were AM, I would get an agent. I am not imaginative enough to come up with an appropriate name for a story or an HBO flick, but there are plenty of folks out there who are. And anyone who thinks that the alleged sexual peccadillos of the grandson of the greatest Rabbi of the 20th century is not an attention grabber is naieve given the unquenchable thirst for scandal that the American public has. Such exposure in my opinion will benefit KNH in its defense of Tendler’s lawsuit in Rockland County. In short, let everyone put their cards on the table.
So, my analysis is that this this case settles or Miss AM goes public. If I am KNH, and because of Tendler’s lawsuit against KNH, I consider pushing this matter forward for pre trial discovery (it can only benefit KNH in its defense so the world will know why KNH did what it did concerning Tendler’s employment).
On the question of my use of the word K_ _ _, let me say that some comments against me have been beyond the bounds of decency and are deserving to be rebutted in the shortest but most acrimonious way possible. That K word conveys to the person making the caustic remarks that he is no longer a human being, but a detestable object without a soul. I agree that the use of the K word is demeaning, but sometimes it is necessary to awaken whatever left there is of humanity that may exist in the person to whom the word is directed. Call it, if you will, a verbal spit in the face. And if I were to meet the person making the aforesaid remarks, I would do that rather than call him a K _ _ _.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
Jeffrey.
Calling someone a kike is just over the limits.
Even for such a shrewd legal mind as yours.
What comes next?
Into the ovens with you?
Have you heard of anger management?
Your behavior on the forum is a walking
Chilul Hashem.
Hashem Yirachem.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:36 pm
Jeff, the judge has made her decision, and she knows what the next steps are to be as a result, so it would not be common or expected that she would now turn around and say, ok, stop and reargue the motion to dismiss. There are no grounds for that.
I am sure you will agree that the AD level is not where Tendler wants to be. I doubt they even get in front of a judge, they will just present the OTSC to a clerk on notice to the other side, the three will conference and you’ll have either a stay or a denial shortly after the conference.
As for the movie rights, AM reached out to an attorney, so the end result was…a lawsuit. You go to a butcher for meat, a baker for cake…you get the idea. Besides, I am not so sure that the story is as meaningful as you suggest given that Adina’s mental state is probably somewhere between Joan Crawford and Sybil.
June 26th, 2006 at 6:00 pm
Hey Jeff, don’t you realize that the word “kike” is a derogatory term for Jews? What is the matter with you? Find another word. “Loser” is good. It is universal in application. When you call a fellow Jew a “kike” you show yourself to be a self-hating phony. No better than the blacks who call each other “Nigger” and maybe worse because in the case of the blacks, it can connote brotherood. Shame on you, Jeff, for being so obtuse and self=hating!
June 26th, 2006 at 6:04 pm
To Kish Mich:
I respectfully disagree on where Tendler wants to be. I believe he has no choice but to appeal and seek a stay. My experience, though limited, is that when you seek a stay all of the parties are called in and appear before a Judge. I am also trying to recall if the AD1st Dept did away with OTSCs. Cannot say for sure. But, I do not think it is a slam dunk to get a stay.
It is certain that if there is no stay, then there will be an answer, and as JWB pointed out it will be tantalizing to see what if anything Tendler pleads other than a denial. Then the plaintiff will seek a PC and we will then have pre trial discovery. If there is, then everything will come out including DNA analysis and tapes. Also, it may well be that Tendler could be compelled to tender samples of his DNA. Additionally, there will be depositions. This certainly will be very time consuming, but incredibly mesmerizing.
As to pursuing a more public route, orthodoxy of whatever religion is now a paper tiger and there is more than a passing interest in bringing the religious establishment including its major players down. Wintess the Da Vinci Code book and movie. Tendler’s relationships would generate major interest. And whatever you may think of AM, she is a very intelligent woman. Remember: “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”
June 26th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
Jeff, I don’t disagree but you have to admit that Tendler would most certainly have preferred to have this kicked by the trial judge than on appeal. In terms of odds I would venture that if he had a 50% chance at the trial level, those chances are reduced to 5% on appeal. That may not be based on empirical data, but you know that no judge wants to be reversed on appeal and Solomon knows full well the extent of the media coverage here and she may also be aware of the blogging. So whatever her decision, it was grounded in law. What do you think? You did mention that you expected the decision to be published and it was not, could that have been based on a motion as well?
Maybe I am underestimating the import of the story and it does have some Hollywood value, but bderech klal you would expect this to be litigated because making a movie is just so foreign that who woulda thunk it?
I think it is a foregone conclusion that the subpoenas will start flying soon, depos scheduled (anyone need a rookie court reporter?) motion practice for DNA and other disclosure, medical releases, etc… those all seem likely now that the plaintiff has survived this motion to dismiss.
Are there any SOL issues that you are aware of that would affect this civil claim? In order to argue that, plaintiff would have to list the dates the alleged acts took place in detail. Anyway, you mix dirt with water and you know what you get.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:35 pm
Jeffrey, does a big man with an inflated ego
ever say he’s sorry?
Or does he just defend himself and bury
his head in legal bullshit.
You called someone a kike.
Say you are sorry.
June 27th, 2006 at 6:39 am
I haven’t heard the word “kike” since I was a little kid. The little Irish and Italian kids used to call Jewish kids “kikes”. And here is big bad Jeffrey Cohen ESQ., no less, using the same word used by little goyische kids who had been indoctrinated into anti Semitism by their parents and religious leaders.
June 27th, 2006 at 7:00 am
MENTAL HOSPITAL KNH PHONE MENU
Hello and thank you for calling The Kehillat on Brick Edifice Mental Hospital.
Please select from the following options menu:
If you are obsessive-compulsive, press 1 repeatedly. For assistance call insider, aka Daniel Schwartz, Esq. And Bruce Minsky, Esq. Both are Board Members of KNH: kool aid kooks Nu-nicks and Holy Hoodlums
If you are co-dependent, please ask someone to press 2 for you. Jeffrey Cohen, Esq., delusional humanitarian.
If you have multiple personalities, press 3, 4, 5 and 6. For assistance call Anonymousless
If you are paranoid, we know who you are and what you want. Stay on the line so we can trace your call.
If you are delusional, press 7 and your call will be forwarded to Kehillat New Heapstead Board kool-aid kooks Nu-nicks Nutshells Holy Hoodlums Hypocrites.
If you are schizophrenic, listen carefully and a little voice will tell you which number to press. Am I Kich Mish, Lou Weiss or drunk?#3
If you are manic-depressive, it doesn’t matter which number you press, nothing will make you happy anyway. Sharie Sofair, “he loves me, he loves me not??
If you are dyslexic, press 9696969696969696. FredieBrinnVicePresidentKNH;ShlomoPomeranzeVicePresidentKNH FredieBrinnVicePresidentKNH;ShlomoPomeranzeVicePresidentKNH FredieBrinnVicePresidentKNH;ShlomoPomeranzeVicePres
If you are bipolar, please leave a message after the beep or before the beep or after the beep. Please wait for the beep, Team Tendler for what is next.
If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. If you have short-term memory loss, press 9. YES, Legislative Ryan Karben, KNH member hit on boys; and NO, Shelley Karben, his mother, and VP of KNH, Sy Ratner and Harry Grossman who signed affidavits that Survivor lives in NH in order to change venue having the trial here because you know the Judges; are wrongfully playing around with short term memory.
If you have low self-esteem, please hang up. Our operators are too busy to talk with you. But you can blog. on canonist
If you are menopausal, put the guns down, hang up, turn on the fan, lie down and cry. You won’t be crazy forever. KNH will support you Mordecai Tendler against the victims and you’ll get the opportunity to have a congregation again to victimize.
If you are knh, don’t press any buttons, you’ll just mess it up anyhow.”
If you are wearing Michelles’ blonde shedal, don’t press any buttons, you’ll just mess it up anyhow.”
June 27th, 2006 at 8:16 am
I am glad to a degree that my use of the K word generated such a response. Too bad, the critics do not have the same degree of outrage for the hostile and untoward remarks generated by the person to whom the word was directed. No ego is involved here just an expression of contempt for someone who does not care to be bound by the rules of civilized and proper discourse.
On another note, because of JSC Solomon’s decision it appears that any SOL issues will have to await completion of discovery or even trial and then be decided by the court (I believe this a legal question, and not to be referred to a jury–could be wrong on this). As to a Justice’s insecurity on being reversed, I do not believe that is an issue here, but you should know that most appeals fail (something like 90%).
Also, on reflection on the surviving causes of action, I agree with those that this puts KNH in a better light because the breach of fiduciary relationship and the infliction of serious mental distress have nothing to do with Tendler’s status as Rabbi of KNH. However, I think the better course is to wait this out through discovery and then consider a substantive motion to dismiss or for summary judgment.
June 27th, 2006 at 8:44 am
Jeff-
I have rarely witnessed a hypocrite who is as brazen and arrogant as you. You have made a big show out of your remorse for torturing, harrassing, following, and tormenting MTs victims, both on and off this blog. Your suggestions to the plaintiff to sell her story to MAKE A MOVIE are sick. We are talking about a human being’s life here. What on earth would make you try to titillate people with sexual histories and movie rights?
Have you or ANYONE in KNH tried to do anything to help Tendler’s victims, besides occasional lip service? Or do you apologize behind their backs or to their faces, and then try to discredit them?
Your post was SICK. You are SICK.
June 27th, 2006 at 10:05 am
Jeff, there is no way the court will let a trial go forward until all the pre-trial motions are disposed of including the SOL issue, which is an issue for the court and not a jury as it presents a question of law not of fact. In your scenario the court ties up its resources for who knows how long and the says, wait, this was brought after the SOL expired, case dismissed. No way.
June 27th, 2006 at 12:24 pm
Jeff, apparently Solomon addressed the SOL issues in her decision.
June 27th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
You can get a copy of Justice Solomon’s decision from the New York State Unified Court System website or e.courts. I recommend that everyone read it. It is quite understandable and the Judge did deal with the SOL problem
To prophet reader: somebody using the word prophet in their pseudonym wrote threatening letters to members of the KNH BOD. Perhaps you have a clue as to who is this person?
The best way to help the poor women who have been victimized is to make their plight highly visible and if they or Ms. AM can make a buck doing it, I have no problem with that. You may look at this as a cheap way to excite people’s prurient interests, but if told right, it can be a most valuable lesson to young women and not so young of all the gigolos out there, including the ones pretending to be spiritual leaders.
One thing is certain that those women who have been victimized have valuable knowledge and it should be shared to protect the innocent and help them cope.
June 27th, 2006 at 1:40 pm
Jeff-
If the women have so much valuable knowledge, then how come the KNH board is not utilizing it to sue the hell out of their beloved rabbi? Hollywood tell all movies are not generally slated for educational purposes as you know. If you have such a high regard for the educated and experienced victims, then why the constant smears and slurs. You are talking out of both sides of your mouth.
As far as “making a buck,”-I haven’t seen any indication that the plaintiff is in this to make money-what are you basing that alleged desire on?
With regards to the threatening letters, I have no idea who is writing them, and frankly couldn’t care less about any of the crazies running around NH. I am only concerned with the one with the big Hamburg, and the sex addiction. If you think there is a real threat, I suggest you go to the authorities.
June 27th, 2006 at 3:23 pm
“I haven’t seen any indication that the plaintiff is in this to make money”
You mean, other than the money damages she is seeking as the plaintiff in this lawsuit, right?
June 27th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
Jeffrey Cohen, Esq., I remember well when YOU were the one who was persecuting these poor women who were sexually abused, used, and used again by the Holy Rabbi that you once held in the highest of esteems. Since you were so wrong then, how can you be sure you are right now?
June 27th, 2006 at 5:57 pm
I mistakenly wronged one woman over ten years ago by calling her aggressive actions towards the Rebbetzin to the attention of the authorities. Only recently and from a tape recording from ten years or so back did I realize that Tendler had an eye for her.
June 28th, 2006 at 7:09 am
Would some please list the names of the Community Synogogue’s Board members..
Time to let them know personally who their new “maggid shiur” is!
June 28th, 2006 at 9:39 am
There is no mention of an RMT shiur on the CSM website and they’re pretty updated. Can anyone confirm that he’s giving a shiur there?
Another comment: We’ve been hearing about the Rabbi search at KNH for some time.
My humble opinion (and I realize that my opinion is relatively worth - I did after all leave KNH) is that it is way too early. The shul is in court, the people are still testing the waters (I too have come once or twice, especially for Rabbi Twersky’s shiurim and “sefarim sale”) - why push the envelope? A Rabbi search in the best of circumstances is a very, very difficult thing for a community to go through. KNH does not yet have a great track record of people trusting each other, supporting each other, knowing what everyone wants, etc. To undertake something like that so soon after your Rabbi was removed is communal suicide.
If KNH were a human, I would say this: “You just had your kidney removed, why go through a heart transplant the next day? Recover for at least a full year, and then go back to the operating room.”
You have many wonderful Rabbanim still in your midst; use them for shiurim, advice, guidance. Call on Rabbi Schabes and Rabbi Ciner and others for guidance too. But don’t put yourselves through another trauma.
June 28th, 2006 at 9:41 am
Jeff, could you please post the case number. I cant find the case on the State Unified Court System by using the defendant “Tendler” in NY County. Thanks alot
June 28th, 2006 at 9:42 am
Oops: I meant to say… “I realize that my opinion is relatively worthless - I did after all leave KNH….”
June 28th, 2006 at 9:44 am
Former search with plaintiff/marmelstein
June 28th, 2006 at 10:27 am
you can look under marmelstein or the index # is 117629/05
June 28th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
Can someone kindly list the names of the board members of Community Synogogue?
June 28th, 2006 at 7:56 pm
>Can someone kindly list the names of the board members
>of Community Synogogue?
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If Mordecai Tendler is indeed giving classes there, I suggest contacting the OU and demanding they pull their affiliation.
June 28th, 2006 at 10:32 pm
Michell Tendler is writing anonymous letters to selected people in KNH, letters that imply threats!
Time to fill mailboxes with info about her husband, the “sexual deviant,” again!
Looks like MT is going crazy, because he is going to have to answer the lawsuit soon, so he is trying to put pressure on KNH members …
Here is a message to Michelle ..
Your sick tactics will no longer work ..
as my laundry man says … “No Tickie … No Washie “
June 29th, 2006 at 1:15 am
Would you please post the text of the anonymous letters that you think Michelle is posting?
June 29th, 2006 at 8:44 am
There is a great new website to assist Agunos. You must check out
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June 30th, 2006 at 5:28 am
It is official, Mordechai Tendler has set up shop in Israel as of next week.
The following notice was posted today on all the major yahoogroups, etc in Israel.
At least he has dropped all pretense of accumulating his wealth via divorce matters and is now aiming to be the Rov of Financial Disputes directly. Easier access to the money. He should have pursued that course in the first place, and then shtup anyone he wanted on the side.
FROM TAANGLO and JANGLO (Tel Aviv and Jerusalem Anglo yahoogroups, for the uninitiated):
Harav Mordecai Tendler will be in Israel next week and will be
giving a shiur on Thursday July 6th. The shiur will be in English and is
open to all. The topic will be:
“Halachik Considerations of Financial Expenditures?
(Tzedaka vs. Household)
We will daven Mincha at 7:00pm; maariv will be after the shiur (around
8:45pm).
The shiur will either be in Beit Shemesh or Yerushalayim – I will send
another e-mail with the exact location.
“Making the World a Healthier Place … One Person at a Time?
Sincerely,
Moshe Siegel
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June 30th, 2006 at 10:15 am
Moshe Siegel has been a follower of Tendler for a very long time. Moshe and Debbie are very indebted to Tendler in several ways. It is no surprise that Moshe is still supporting him.
The message was posted on TAANGLO, but not on JANGLO. The message was sent to the Beit Shemesh community mailing list also.
The text of Moshe’s message makes it sound like Tendler will only be in Israel for a week. I’ll try to confirm.
June 30th, 2006 at 10:28 am
TWO UPDATES
Tendler’s lawyers were served with a copy of Judge Solomon’s decision on Thursday or Friday of last week. He has been ordered to file an answer within 10 days of service. That gives him until Friday July 7th or Monday July 10th to answer. This is the same time that Tendler is scheduled to be in Israel. Coincidence?
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I have reason to believe that papers were filed today, but not necessarily Tendler’s answer. I’ll post more on this in the coming days.
June 30th, 2006 at 12:52 pm
If he was served last week Thursday/Friday, 10 days would be Monday, July 3.
June 30th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
I’m confused “Insider” why post this? You previously posted:
MAJOR UPDATE
Tendler is not going to submit an answer to the remaining two causes of action: breach of fiduciary relationship and the intentional infliction of emotional distress. He is filing an immediate appeal of Judge Solomon’s decision to deny dismissal of those two causes. As expected, Tendler is using every avenue of the legal system to avoid answering the accusations against him.
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So there are really no updates here.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
Everything that I said was correct and consistent.
1) According to my sources, Tendler is going to appeal Judge Solomon’s ruling and will attempt to avoid filing an answer.
2) Tendler was served on Thursday or Friday of last week. He has been ordered to answer within 10 days - but that does not mean that he will. It depends on the appeal.
3) Papers were possibly filed today. I did not claim that the filing was Tendler’s answer. I am confirming the details before posting more info.
> If he was served last week Thursday/Friday, 10 days would be Monday, July 3.
I agree that Tendler’s response should be expected by Monday 7/3 or Wednesday 7/5. I had mistakenly skipped weekends and July 4th, because I was looking at a business scheduler that does not show those days.
> I’m confused “Insider? why post this?
Still confused?
June 30th, 2006 at 2:00 pm
I believe everyone expected that Tendler would wait till virtually the last minute and file an appeal. He is doing everything to lengthen and delay the process.
That was also a previous post of yours.
So really, there are no updates here and regardless of whether it was served on Thursday or Friday it would still be due on this Monday, July 3. But of course we all know that no Answer will be filed, only an appeal that Tendler will then drag out so that it takes the maximum amount of time allowed.
See a pattern? I’ve pointed this out from the beginning.
The man who publicly claims to want his day in court, tries everything in his bag of tricks to avoid just that.
July 1st, 2006 at 1:43 pm
Would you please post any details that you get about the Tendler shiur in Israel? E.G. location etc.
Let’s Give MT the welcome he deserves!!!
July 1st, 2006 at 8:57 pm
Ignore that last comment. It was from the false prophet reader. I am the original and only prophet reader.
July 1st, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Why shouldn’t Tendler appeal? Isn’t the system designed with an appellate process built in to check the trial court’s work? What if Solomon is wrong? What if the case is facially insufficient to proceed? And what if Solomon’s dismissal of the other causes was wrong in AM’s favor?
The point is that criticism of a litigant and saying that he is wrong for relying on duly constituted authority is sophomoric. The wheels of justice turn slowly. Welcome to the jungle.
July 2nd, 2006 at 5:57 am
If he were moving to Israel, he wouldn’t be giving a shiur in CSM.
We knew all along that RMT and his family were considering moving to Israel. This shir in Israel is a way to test the waters. He has a lot of supporters there and others there have no idea about his past in NH or don’t care about us in NH. I feel bad for people in Israel but I say they can have him.
CSM or J’lem: Either way you look at it, RMT is beginning to give shiurim publicly. As time goes on, we all know that the number of his appearances will increase. We also know that they will come closer and closer to NH. Mark my words, before the end of 5767, he will give a shiur in Chofetz Chaim (Rabbi Maza’s Yeshiva) and at Darchei Noam.
July 2nd, 2006 at 9:15 am
There is no way that Rabbi Tendler will be giving shiur at Chofetz Chaim as long as that yeshiva resides inside of KNH. One of the rosh yeshivas there (the tall one) is part of the group of rabbis that are speaking at KNH on Shabbos and helping to rebuild the KNH community.
Darchei Noam is an elementary school. I hardly think that they would be interested in Rabbi Tendler teaching there. One of the midwives and a lot KNH families send their children there and would probably stop Rabbi Tendler from teaching there. If Rabbi Tendler is going to try and teach elementary school he would try YSV. He is (or was) elected to the board of directors there.
I agree with LeftKNH that Rabbi Tendler could find somplace to teach, but I doubt that it will be in Monsey. Too many people know the truth, including most of the Rabbis in Monsey. Maybe he will go to California and teach in his uncle’s new yeshiva high school in Los Angeles.
July 2nd, 2006 at 9:38 am
Before he starts teaching somewhere he needs to check himself into a rehab program!
July 2nd, 2006 at 1:01 pm
I think that Moshe Lerman should have a nice long talk with Moshe Seigel. Or better yet-he should go to the “shiur” that Moshe and Mordechai are planning together.
July 2nd, 2006 at 2:35 pm
First of all, I did not say that MT would teach in any of these places. I said that he would give a shir, a class, a speech… something. Wait and see. Unfortunately, people have a short memory.
I still think that he’ll be invited before next Rosh Hashana to speak at these two places. We’ll just have to wait and see.
I won’t be at either one. But if I were in Israel, I would go to the class he’s giving and I’d stand outside with a sign (any ideas for the text on the sign?).
July 2nd, 2006 at 3:35 pm
>I’d stand outside with a sign (any ideas for the text on the sign?).
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It makes a nice flyer too.
July 2nd, 2006 at 7:58 pm
The letter threatning the Board is posted on NHN ...
Does anybody out there know if this is an actual threat?
Lawyers wake up!
July 3rd, 2006 at 3:45 am
Where does Moshe Seigel live?
July 3rd, 2006 at 5:48 am
From the Jerusalem Rova Yehudi Yahoogroups notice today:
To: “‘Rova Yehudi’”
From: “Moshe”
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:01:31 +0200
Subject: [RovaYehudi] Shiur by Rav Mordecai Tendler & Location
HaRav Mordecai Tendler will be in Israel next week and will be giving a shiur on Thursday July 6th. The shiur will be in English and is open to all. The topic will be:
“Halachik Considerations of Financial Expenditures?
(Tzedaka vs. Household)
We will daven Mincha at 7:30pm; maariv will follow at 8:10pm and
the Shiur will start at 8:30pm.
The shiur will take place in Ohel Yonah Menachem in Beit Shemesh
(located on Rechov Rashi opposite Shivtei Yisrael 3).
If you need directions you can send an e-mail.
Sincerely,
Moshe Siegel
“Making the World a Healthier Place … One Person at a Time?
July 3rd, 2006 at 6:02 am
Moshe Siegel lives in Beit Shemesh.
July 3rd, 2006 at 6:08 am
He lives in Beit Shemesh. Rechov Rashi 3b.
July 3rd, 2006 at 6:09 am
What happened to the Tendler vs. KNH lawsuit? As of 6-22-06 the file contains only his complaint and contract (exhibit A) which BTW specifies a salary of $30K + an expense allowance (parsonage?) of “not less than $20K” But does not specify an exclusive right to unaccountable management of the shuls tzedaka-disgression fund. a copy of this suit should sent to Eretz Yisroel so MT can explain “halachically” of course, how he went to civil court without a heter arkaos and is ignoring the demand of a recognized Bais Din to leave civil court.
July 3rd, 2006 at 8:41 am
The Beit Shemesh directory has the following number for that address:
(for those of you who want further info about the class!)
054-549-2758
(054) 5323500
From the States you would dial: 011-972-54-549-2738 or 011-972-54-532-3500.
July 3rd, 2006 at 10:43 am
This is Siegel’s E-Mail address for those who want to contact him …
If you could use your name, I believe you would have alot more influence
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good luck
July 4th, 2006 at 12:35 am
MT Lecture moved to LARGER venue in Jerusalem proper. No one in Har Nof cares about that occurred in Monsey, and as a policy will maintain it was all loshon hora. Far worse men have been heralded in Har Nof than MT.
From July 4 Rova Yehudi Yahoogroups notice:
I am very sorry, due to a scheduling conflict we are changing the location of the shiur to Har Nof, Yerushalayim.
“Halachik Considerations of Financial Expenditures?
(Tzedaka vs. Household)
This Thursday – July 6th.
Rechov Agassi 32 Room #7 – 1 flight up.
Shiur starts at 6:45 pm followed by Maariv at 8:15 pm.
Once again I am very sorry for any inconvienace.
Sincerely,
Moshe Siegel
“Making the World a Healthier Place … One Person at a Time?
July 4th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
I have e-mailed this Siegel guy, from his answers to me it seems that he is a bono-fide lunatic
July 4th, 2006 at 8:27 pm
Is this the same Moshe Segal that MT and his loyal follower raised money for and sent to him via the Discretionary fund.
July 4th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
It seems to me that instead of making the world a healthier place, Moshe Segal is making it sicker and sicker by supporting a sexual predator. I hope when Moshe goes to sleep at night, he has nightmares about his wife and other female relatives in bed with his holy rebbe.
July 4th, 2006 at 10:53 pm
Moshe Siegal is a very well respected member of the Bet Shemesh community.
It seems that people in Monsey still cannot grasp the fact that absolutely no one in Israel cares about MT’s indiscretions –sexual or financial — and that this is the inherent nature of the frum community, particularly in Israel.
It did not effect them, nor their families, and these people have far too much invested emotionally and financially in the concept that Frumkeit is the superior and perfect derech that they prefer to whitewash anything that potentially occurred under the dismissive umbrella of loshon hora. Within the contexts of scandal today, MT is not even at the top if the list of disgraced American rabbonim who have been embraced in Israel.
MT required a larger venue than originally planned due to demand for seats.
Monsey need come to terms with these realities, bitter as they might be.
July 4th, 2006 at 11:00 pm
Monsey should never come to terms with a sexual predator, who has not gone for help …..
Monsey can and will never give up, we will followi him around wherever he may be to try at least to protect the innocent!
I do not agree with MT in Israel, nor should anybody!
MT will for sure effect families wherever he hunts …
Those living in Israel may “whitewash anything” but we here in Monsey will be there, even in Hor Nof to let people know that this sick individual dressed in the garb of Rabbonis is a sick demented pervert!
Le’hitraot MT
July 5th, 2006 at 12:41 am
is the place in Har NOf where he is speaking a yeshiva? shul?
I agree with the Holy Shrink-It’s not ok to take a NIMBY approach and then throw the toxic waste into someone else’s backyard. We have an obligation to warn the unsuspecting people in Israel about MT and prevent more lives from being destroyed.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:44 am
MT in Israel: Are YOU in Israel?
What does Moshe Siegel do for a living? Why the “making a world a healthier place” signature?
July 5th, 2006 at 1:07 am
As far as I know, he does “Herbal Life.”
July 5th, 2006 at 1:25 am
There are people in Israel who do care, though they may not live in Beit Shemesh or Har Nof, and I think this event will not take place as planned.
July 5th, 2006 at 4:39 am
Jewish Suvivors, Welcome to Jerusalem, where truly no one cares about what may or may not have occurred in America.
Mordechai Tendler will have a packed crowd, and had to move to a larger venue in Har Nof. Deal with it. This isn’t Monsey, Dorothy. No one here could care less, in all honesty, and would prefer to put all the shouting behind us all as a chilul hashem that Monsey has brought on all of klal yisroel. No one in Jerusalem cares what any Rov in Monsey has to say about another, nor can they even keep score of all the infighting and sinas chinum that eminates from Monsey like toxic sludge on all klal yisroel.
Certainly no one is interested in loshon hora assertions as represented by organizations such as yours. If you are focused on being responsible to the kehilla, then dump Vicki Polin, and all of her multiple personalities, which have certainly caused as much damage as by the men you attempt to torment. Otherwise, your board will continue to be comprised of nothing more than Vicki and her multiple identities
Whatever disgrace Tendler brought to himself in America is past history here. Yours, however, continues on and on.
What are you going to do, attempt to disrupt a shiur and davening in a yeshiva in Jerusalem?! In the yeshiva of a Tendler relative no less?! The entire yeshiva will be present, not to mention a considerable public crowd.
You don;t have enough personalities to form that large a crowd in Baltimore, much less Israel.
July 5th, 2006 at 5:09 am
MT in Israel-
Do you have a contact number for MT here? What is his daughter Leah’s last name? Perhaps he is staying with her?
What yeshiva is that on Rechov Agassi? there are several yeshivot on that street.
July 5th, 2006 at 6:31 am
Ok folks. After posting the new location of the shiur on the Janglo website , as of 2:17 p.m. Israel time, Moshe Siegel posted that the shiur is cancelled.
July 5th, 2006 at 7:15 am
Shiur by Rav Mordecai Tendler ** Canceled **
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Wed Jul 5 03:46:32 CDT 2006
see: ...
July 5th, 2006 at 7:19 am
Looks like “MT in Israel” should be eating humble pie about now.
Welcome to the new reality, where truly the silent majority cares about abuses that occurred and will act.
July 5th, 2006 at 7:59 am
>MT required a larger venue than originally planned due to demand for seats.
>Monsey need come to terms with these realities, bitter as they might be.
The reality is the shir was cancelled. Who cares for what reason. IT was never going to happen anyway. It was a setup.
No place on earth will embrace a sexual preditor and Chilul Hashem as MT.
The only venue MT will ever have at thix point is in one of his relatives living room. Face the facts Moishe. Or maybe you would like to personally hear the numerous tapes and see the DNA evidence for yourself. Or let me guess, you were convinced by the Tendler brigade, they were doctored and all bogus.
July 5th, 2006 at 8:09 am
Monsey clearly has no concept how things work here.
The shiur is proceeding as planned, and will have a packed crowd from the avreichim alone. The only thing cancelled was a request to Moishe Seigal to stop broadcasting the fact on the internet, as no one who would come reads the internet and all it did was start a firestorm back in Monsey.
I very strongly predict a large turnout from Har Nof, as well as his brother in law’s yeshiva, who is taking much more effective advertising of the event.
This will be a welcome sight for a change –a strong jerusalem affirmation that people are innocent until proven guilty, and that the loshon hora and sinas chinam that now defines Monsey stops at JFK.
MT will be just fine, particularly after this successful shiur is in the books. Moishe Seigal was well intentioned, but did not comprehend how to attarct yirei shamayim in jerusalem.
July 5th, 2006 at 8:14 am
Here is a letter sent to select members of KNH!
We suspect that Michelle Tendler the Ex-Rebetzin of KNH wrote and sent it!
Dear President and Board:
You asked for suggestions for new names for the shul - perhaps “Kehillat Azai Panim” (you can look up the end of that Pasuk).
You mention keeping the Rabbi Jofen name - Rabbi Jofen must have turned over in his grave at the treatment of his sister, the Rabbi, and their family. Don’t count on his merits protecting you.
G-d’s “midah k’neged midah” is pretty awesome and downright scary -
- Post articles for Post articles
- having his nameplate ripped off his place of business
- took away his parnassa
Another blatant “midah k’neged midah” is that the RCA lost its credibility especially in regard its conversions and divorces. They are no longer being accepted by the Torah world. These were the two areas in which the RCA together with the “Monsey Rabbonim” tried to implicate Rabbi Tendler.
I have an eerie feeling that the doctors on the board will be exposed next very soon. The lawyers on the board will be next and then the chief.
Prophet at KNH
The above is the letter in its entirety, I will now take the liberty in analyzing this piece of “work”
“You asked for suggestions for new names for the shul - perhaps “Kehillat Azai Panim”
This name “Kehillat Azai Panim,” Michelle, is the name that KNH should have had while your husband the “skirt chaser” was presiding as “Spiritual” leader!
“You mention keeping the Rabbi Jofen name - Rabbi Jofen must have turned over in his grave at the treatment of his sister, the Rabbi, and their family.”
Michelle, your Brother Z”L can no longer turn in his grave, he is already upside down, when he learned that you, his sister, is still enabling this “sexual predator.”
“Don’t count on his merits protecting you.”
Michelle, you should also not count on his merits… Divorce Mordechai!!
“G-d’s “midah k’neged midah” is pretty awesome and downright scary -”
You Michelle, of all people, should know this very well!
MT stalked women …. now they are stalking him in court!
MT belittled all Rabbonim - now all Rabbonim are belittling him
MT took away Parnassa of countless husbands …. now G-d took away his parnassah
“Another blatant “midah k’neged midah” is that the RCA lost its credibility especially in regard its conversions and divorces. They are no longer being accepted by the Torah world. These were the two areas in which the RCA together with the “Monsey Rabbonim” tried to implicate Rabbi Tendler.”
This is the funniest line of all ….
Mordechai, himself was a member of the RCA until last year, which means that all his conversions and divorces are null and void!
His father is still a member of the RCA as of this posting ….
and finally, Michelle writes:”I have an eerie feeling that the doctors on the board will be exposed next very soon. The lawyers on the board will be next and then the chief.
Michelle, we take these lines as a threat, I hope that the people that received this threat will go to the DA’s office!
And here is a personal message to you, Michelle
Nobody did anything to your husband and his family …
He did it all to himself …He is the one you should blame for bringing the names Tendler,Joffen and Feinstein in the mud …
Mordechai Tendler is solely responsible
Meanwhile the “vort” is that the “pervert” will be giving shiurim in Eretz Yisroel of all places!
Time to send some “information” packets to his next potential victims!
July 5th, 2006 at 8:33 am
I was curious what the liablity would be for who ever is hosting a shir by Mordecai Tendler would be if Mordecai would sexually manipulate a women he met in a professional capicity? I know this gets tricky because Tendler is in Israel, but with all the legal documentation and all the articles out here, would an individual or organization hosting a shir be civially or criminally liable?
July 5th, 2006 at 8:49 am
To those living in Monsey, ignore the rantings of “MT in Israel”.
I live here in Yerushalayim Ir Hakodesh and the Vaad Hatznios of Jerusalem was informed of MT coming here, you can all rest assured, that there is no way that the Vaad will allow a sexual pervert to give a shiur in Yerushalayim.
in addition the Vaad already contacted Monsey Rabbonim and already verified that Mordechai Tendler is a sexual predator.
I will monitor this guy, and will notify all of you, where he goes and who he sees!
We here in Israel have enough problems with our own people, we dont need sickos from Monsey running after our wives and daughters and sisters.
July 5th, 2006 at 8:54 am
Vicki, or whichever personality is presently spewing filth on this blog under jewish survivors:
under both halacha and civil law, in both Israel and America, a man is presumed innocent until proven guilty. At least one of your 17 personalities should be able to comrepehend that fact.
MT has not been found guilty of anything, and there exists only one assertion of impropriety against him in any court. To deny him rightful professional consideration, absent a legal finding, would be a far more serious legal risk than taking the rantings of She Who Sacrificed Chldren on Oprah TV seriously and denying a man rightful professional consideration.
If he had a contractual dispute with his former shul, that happens a million times a year. Luckily, the law protects people from hysterics such as you who simply attempt to spew inuueno and unproven disreputations, either anonymously like JWB or under the bizarre banner of jewish survivor of child sacrifice. In the real world people are not intimidated by this nonsense, and go out of their way to ignore it in their professional dealings.
If anything, you have fanned enormous support in Jerusalem for Mordechai Tendler by attempting to intimidate under the worst guises of loshon hora and absurdity. Without doubt, a significnt portion of the people who will be in attendance tomorrow night are coming as a sign of support for halacha and to express their outrage at the JWBs and anonymous loshon hora that has simply consumed Monsey and turned it into the shame of the Jewish world.
July 5th, 2006 at 9:10 am
I keep trying to remember the name of a rabbi in Jewish history who was excommunicated, yet continued to hold secret shiurs. When MT mentioned that Tendler is holding secret shuirs it reminded me of the story.
I know that an article about Mordechai Gafni also referred to this ancient ex-rabbi, yet I’m forgetting his name. Can someone help me out here?
July 5th, 2006 at 9:12 am
MT? are you Harlen Kilstein? Sure sounds like it.
July 5th, 2006 at 10:58 am
MT in Israel:
If you are Reb Tzvi or if you know him, have you ever heard of Munchausen by proxy?
July 5th, 2006 at 11:04 am
Jewish Survivors, I think the name of the rabbi you are referring to might be Jacob Frank. Actually Tendler’s escapades and sick supporters reminds me of the Shabbatai Zvi and Jacob Franksituations.
Why are we allowed to speak “lashon hora” about Shabbatai Zvi and Jacob Frank (including allegations regarding lewd sexual activities of which there is less proof than what we have in Monsey). Speaking about Tendler is the same thing.
July 5th, 2006 at 11:14 am
Moshe Lerman,
Your help is needed in Israel.
Stop this pervert.
Contact newhempsteadnews.blogspot.com
July 5th, 2006 at 12:19 pm
As much as we are angered and shamed by the actions of Tendler, we have to attempt to keep a perspective on our brothers and sisters in Israel. For one, our sense of security is not theirs. Witness the bombing of Ashkelon today. Two, the Israeli legal system is very different and far less liberal than America’s. Witness the fine against Steven Plaut for voicing an OPINION against I believe a journalist or someone in the media. We have to respect their priorities and how they go about their lives.
I believe that those living in Israel be given an opportunity to view the evidence against Tendler: the RCA report, the rulings of R. Wosner and the attendant Bet Din and the Marmelstein complaint. If they want to take this opportunity, fine, and if not, then also fine. We should be assured though that if Tendler does anywhere near what he is accused of here in Israel, the Israeli justice system will not be as tolerant of such misconduct.
Remember Tendler is not accused of criminality, he is accused of being, in short, a sexual manipulator and possibly an harasser. We can take heart with something of a smirk that Tendler’s proposed lecture has nothing to do with ‘family values’.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:23 pm
I know:
MT in Israel is REALLY MT in Israel!!
He’s writing about himself folks!
July 5th, 2006 at 12:31 pm
Jeff-
Don’t downplay what he did-”sexual manipulator” in no way describes his crimes. Preying on vulnerable congregants at the time they are most in need is sick-particularly if it is to gather power for yourself or for sex.
In addition, and I think it is a huge mistake that these things have been overlooked; we need to start talking about his fiscal improprieties, e.g. the taking of bribes from litigants, misappropriation of “discretionary funds,” etc.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
My mail: ...
July 5th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
Rechov Agassi 32 #7 is a private apartment owned by a private family.
MT in Israel is a complete liar!
July 5th, 2006 at 1:31 pm
“MT in Israel” should write for the Jewish Voice and Opinion.
July 5th, 2006 at 3:45 pm
Could someone post the original kol koreh from the Monsey Rabbis in hebrew so the Israel rabbis can access it? ASAP.
THANKS!
July 5th, 2006 at 4:51 pm
>Could someone post the original kol koreh from the Monsey
>Rabbis in hebrew so the Israel rabbis can access it? ASAP.
>
>THANKS!
I assume you are referring to this.
see: ...
July 5th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
Jeffrey Cohen - I feel quite certain that what you are referring to only poses a problem when someone speeks openly against a government official - otherwise I think that they have the same freedom to speak out as we do.
July 5th, 2006 at 8:56 pm
See the article in Haaretz about MT’s Shiur being cancelled due to threats
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July 5th, 2006 at 9:12 pm
Very good article.
July 5th, 2006 at 10:18 pm
Per “MT in Israel”:
“If anything, you have fanned enormous support in Jerusalem for Mordechai Tendler by attempting to intimidate under the worst guises of loshon hora and absurdity. Without doubt, a significnt portion of the people who will be in attendance tomorrow night are coming as a sign of support for halacha and to express their outrage at the JWBs and anonymous loshon hora that has simply consumed Monsey and turned it into the shame of the Jewish world.”
Tell us another one “MT in Israel”, tell us another one.
You should write for the Jewish Voice and Opinion or editorials for the Jewish Press.
July 5th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
We would like to thank all of you guys in Monsey for all the work behind the scenes to get MT’s lecture canceled … also for getting the press involved, hopefully other Newspapers will pick up on this ..
We are keeping an eye on the “Pervert of Monsey” … here in Israel!
July 5th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
Best lines in Haaretz article:
>Other community leaders in the U.S. have welcomed
>the cancellation. Rabbi Mark Dratch, chair of the RCA’s
>Task Force on Rabbinic Improprieties said that the move
>had proven that “there is no place a person can hide.
>We’re one community and though we are distanced by
>an ocean, that doesn’t mean that what happens in one
>place gets ignored by another.” He said that members
>of Tendler’s former community felt “that he compromised
>the rabbinate and should not be given the opportunity to
>teach Torah publicly,” Dratch said.
It’s true Kol Yisrael arevim zel l’zeh. It’s a fact.
Welcome to the brave new world.
More to come, much more.
July 5th, 2006 at 11:32 pm
Here’s the artice:
Defrocked rabbi’s lecture cancelled after threats ...
By Daphna Berman, Haaretz Correspondent
July 6th, 2006 at 1:42 am
Yes- of course, it is to be expected that the lecture of MT at Har Nof- or anywhere else on the planet- would be cancelled. Nevertheless, what remains inexplicable to this writer, is that after everything that has transpired, MT would even have a Hava Aminah to remain a public figure- and not go into hiding as the Gemarah in Moed Kattan 17a prescribes. And, there you have it in a nut-shell- the complete lack of any modicum or scintilla of Busha (shame) in the world today- especially among those who should certainly know better. The Bamidbar Rabbah (Parsha 8 Siman 4) very emphatically states, “…..It is an indisputable fact that all who do not possess Boshes Panim- their forefathers did not stand at Har Sinai.”
In the Gemarah Berachos (61a), we are taught that Rav stated, “The Yetzer Hara is comparable to a house fly that resides between the openings of the heart.” Why a house fly? In ‘Kol Agados HaShas’, the Chafetz Chayim explains that even though the lower world of non-human creatures does not have the characteristics of humans, at times, they will display some of these characteristics. Say a man returns to his home, and his pet dog, happy to see its master, comes running. Now, if that master viciously kicks the dog- for whatever reason- what will the animal do? It will certainly cower in a corner somewhere. True- the animal cowers in the corner because it is afraid to be kicked again. And yet, unbeknownst to itself, the animal displays shame. This is true of every creature on the face of this earth- with one exception- the house fly. For, if a fly enters the ear of a man, that man will shoo it away. Yet, the insect never portrays its fear (shame), and returns to the man’s nostrils, eyes, etc. So is the Yetzer Hara. No matter how many times a man will shoo it away, it will always unashamedly return to vex him.
How many times- whether it be sexual misconduct or plain dishonesty- have we seen this total lack of Boshes Panim among those who claim to be the representatives of the Torah HaKedosha? MT- unlike his brother on the Left Coast- is simply one of many who will not go away- one of many who are in an unbalanced state of denial, with not much of a stranglehold on the Emes.
The predators abound among us- together with those misguided relatives and communal leaders who feel that it would be much easier to cover the Emes. And those doing the hiring- cannot see one inch beyond the clout and leverage of an eminant family name- filling positions of trust from coast to coast with sexual predators and other Menuvalim.
The Gemarah in Sanhedrin (96b) writes, “It has been learned that Rabbi Yehuda states, ‘In the generation when the son of Dovid arrives, the house of scholars will be for harlots, Galil will be in ruins, Gavlan (territory of the upper Jordan) will lie desolate, border inhabitants will wander from city to city receiving no hospitality, the wisdom of scholars will deteriorate, those who fear sin will be dispised, the generation will be dog-faced, and truth will be entirely lacking……’”
Some legacy!
July 6th, 2006 at 3:06 am
To all of you in the States and other places in the world who are concerned about Tendler gaining a foothold here:
DON’T
We have tremendous support here in Israel to keep him from doing ANYTHING. (Masses of people.)
Please keep up your efforts here and we will do the same.
July 6th, 2006 at 3:38 am
No one in Israel wants the dregs of the American rabinate making aliyah or even influencing Israeli communities.
The Efrat, Beit Shemesh and Har Nof communities were instrumental in stopping
Baruch Lanner, the lech of NJ, from aquiring a position of prominence in Israel.
No one wants Tendler either.
Monsey did not create a hilul Hashem.
Mordecai Tendler did.
July 6th, 2006 at 8:09 am
Remember folks last year when I warned that the efforts of Teams Tendler, Gafni and Worch to dismantle the Awareness Center and interfere with any and all efforts by courageous rabbonim to advocate publicly for survivors of abuse would lead to severe consequences? Remember when I warned of a “scortched earth” approach to expose predators and those who enable them?
Well. mark your calendar … it has begun.
see: ...
July 6th, 2006 at 8:15 am
I posted here on Monday morning, but it seems that my post never appeared.
I left at the beginning of this week and I will be away for much of the summer. While I am away I won’t have access to my sources in KNH or the Tendler camp, so I won’t be posting much. I have somewhat regular Internet access to read this blog and check my email.
Does anyone know if Tendler filed an answer or filed an appeal? If anyone has copies of those documents, please post them here or email them to me.
Congrats to everyone who stopped Tendler from giving a public shiur in Israel. He should know that he can’t hide from his past.
July 6th, 2006 at 9:09 am
Oh come on, you all know Harav Mordechai Tendler, Shlita is innocent. This is just some big conspiracy dreamed up by some desperate housewives with nothing better to do. If you looked like Leah Marinara you’d be busy 24/7 just to take the focus off yourself too. Rabbi Tendler is a great man who helps all Jews and even you Old Timer, he helped you when you were homeless and sleeping in your own pish on the street and had no where to turn, you turned to Harav Tendler and he helped you. And you critical, when you were out on the streets selling yourself to put food on your table Harav Hagaon Tendler Shlita helped you as well. This has gone on too far. The Rav is a tzaddik yesoid oilam and if you oppose him, look what happened to the Karben’s, who would ever think Ryan was a peter puffer? He chose mentch tuchis over fame and fortune? Come on. You can’t script this. You can’t make this stuff up. You jeffrey, when you were suffering from that terrible attraction to other men, who did you turn to in order to help you overcome? Harav Tendler of course, a lamed vovnik, a tzaddik, and this is how you repay him? Rav Tendler will still be willing to be moichel all of you. Even you Fred Brine. Watching you is like watching a ping pong game, one minute you love the man, the next you hate him. Make up your damn mind already. And Shlahomo Pomerass, Danmule Schvartz, Loose Mildew, wait a second, what kind of name is Trevor - yo Trevor, what up bro? My niga, we gonna shoot some beeball after weez finnin to gets high? You down wit dat bro? All of you should know that the great Rav Tendler hagoin hatzaddik is greater than great. Or zarua latzaddik ULYISHRAI LEIV SIMCHA!
July 6th, 2006 at 10:20 am
>just some big conspiracy
Easy on the koolaid fella, the whole entire Orthodox world has conspired against Team Tendler? C’mon. Can you produce any CURRENT letters of support from any non-relative rabbonim of any importance in the Orthodox world for either of the Tendler brothers?
July 6th, 2006 at 10:35 am
misha beyrach surely needs one (for a refuas hanefesh)- what a dellusional charachter!
July 6th, 2006 at 12:47 pm
I am particularly pleased to notify all that HaRav Mordechai Tendler, shlita, just concluded a marvelous and erudite shiur before almost 150 avreichim and baalei batim — all of whom are true yirei shomayim and baalei midos, as opposed to what was once called “the chattering classes” of the internet blogs.
At least in Har Nof we understand that halacha cannot be bullied by loshon hora and nothing more than an mob of eruv rav
July 6th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
Moshe Siegel posted that the shiur was cancelled.
“MT in Israel” says 150 people showed up to the shiur.
Both are idiots but clearly both can’t be right. Which is the liar?
July 6th, 2006 at 1:27 pm
Ask Misha. That post was a riot! Mentch Tuchus???!!!!! Funny how he tries to nail Jeff and then writes in the same monoparagraphic fashion. Hey, maybe that was Jeff……….
July 6th, 2006 at 1:31 pm
By the way JWB, sounds like they pulled a fast one by saying it was cancelled and then used the old fashioned telephone to get the word out. Does it really make a difference?
July 6th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
JWB to answer your question: MT (in or out of Israel) is clealry a liar-
he says
>HaRav Mordechai Tendler, shlita, just concluded a marvelous and erudite shiur
I’ve heard MT countless times and he has never given a marvelous or erudite shiur, nor is he remotely capable of doing so.
he also said
>before almost 150 avreichim and baalei batim — all of whom are true yirei shomayim and baalei midos,
if they were, they would not have countenenced a shiur by a walking chilul Hashem- who bullies and threatens people, missuses tzedakah funds etc. - such as tendler.
I don’t know if MT did or did not speak before people, how many etc.- but one thing I do know: This “MT in Israel” is either MT himnself or one of his Torah-less followers, all of whom wouldn’t know the truth if they said it by accident (let’s recall MT’s public claim of never meeting with women behind closed doors which scores of us know to be a public lie!)
July 6th, 2006 at 3:23 pm
MT may have spoken to a couple of dozen sheep, BUT
THE ARTICLE IN HA’ARETZ WAS READ BY THOUSANDS OF EDUCATED READERS!!!
jokes on you tendler!
July 6th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
I learned from a reliable source that there was indeed a shiur-type event, in yet a different location, which I do not know.
July 6th, 2006 at 11:30 pm
this is hilarious-the tendlerites have become a secret underground cult!
(they even have a special handshake!)
July 7th, 2006 at 3:30 am
I spoke to Moshe Siegel, and screamed at him. I should not have, I know. The guy sounds completely innocent.
They had almost 50 people. A very well known Rav was there. To not bring him future shame, I cannot write the name of the Rav, and I ask everybody (from both sides) to do the same.
July 7th, 2006 at 4:19 am
Does anybody have a website where I can post the law suit that the groisser tzadik yesod olam filed in civil court against the KNH board of directors WITHOUT A HETER ARKAOS! As well as the attached exhibit “A”, a copy of the rabbi’s three page contract, that entitles him to a $30K salary as well as $20K “Expense allowance”. Maybe post the Ikul to leave civil court, from Bais Din Archos Hamishpat that the groiser Tzadik ignored as well? And while we’re at it, why not post the front page NY Post story from March 5? And the letter from the 7 rabonim, and R’ BZ Wosner Tshuva, and the TAPES!!!!
July 7th, 2006 at 5:08 am
Correction to Moshe Lerman and all the other misrepresentatives of fact on this blogsite:
There were over 150 adults present last night, not 50. You were not present, I was. First you misrepresent to the press that the shiur has been cancelled due to pressure. A complete falsehood. Then you attempt to minimize the damage by reducing the true number of attendees by 2/3rds. Equally false.
There were far more than one choshover Yerushalayim Rov in attendance, and there were at least 2 who introduced Rav Tendler or thanked him afterwards from the bima.
Once again, you have falsely misrepresented the magnitude of support exhibited for him here.
This blog has taken on an other worldly sense of only portraying facts that are convenient and correspond to the beliefs of one very vocal minority, that not only now presumes Rav Tendlers guilt, but denies him all right to even address an audience anywhere in the world in any manner or form ever again.
But most importantly, this blog has become a cesspool of hatred in which not only is all dissent from the vocal minority (is it kvethcing minority more accurately?) is censored, but actual facts are now being manipulated and falsely misrepresented both to themselves and the press. Ha Aretz was fed totally false information once. It is unlikely to occur again.
The reality is that for all your bluffing Rav Tendler spoke before 150 people, was accorded royal Rabbinic recognition by colleagues, not a single dissenter or protester showed up, and you fed absolute falsehoods to a major newspaper.
But the ends justify the means, to quote Lenin and Hitler, and since you are so certain in your self-righteousness of his guilt prior to trial of any kind there is no reason for any of you to maintain any shred of halachic or moral balance in your actions.
baruch hashem that yerushalayim comprehends Monsey to be the cesspool of sinas chinom that it is, and chose to ignore the filth eminating from New York in this case
July 7th, 2006 at 5:36 am
Moshe Siegel told me there where 50. I only quote.
July 7th, 2006 at 5:38 am
Moshe Siegel told me about one Rav only. Again, I quote. I am not lying, not misrepresenting.
July 7th, 2006 at 5:57 am
Shame on you, Moshe Lerman. You are not misrepresenting? You have no direct knowledge at all!!! So now your statement to the press that the event was cancelled was false, then that it occurred with only 50 people was false, then that only one Rov stood and introduced Tendler was false. And you offer no apology at all??? Thia is a yirei shomayim? Post any nonsensical third party comment you hear, with no possible means of verification, on a worldwide blog and declare it fact until someone comes forward and confronts you with direct knowledge?
There is no place in halacha or basic decency for this type of action, Moshe.
First. post an apology for public misprepresentation of facts and statements you had no responsible explanation for posting in the first place.
Second, distance yourself at once from this eruv rav in Monsey of hate mongerers, who have deteriorated into nothing more than a lynch mob.
We await your apology–and yes, it will be published in HaAretz. I have already spoken to the editors. They are not at all anused at what has occurred in their newspaper over the past few days, and do not take kindly to being manipulated in this manner.
July 7th, 2006 at 6:33 am
Because “MT in Israel” is try to influence public opinion under the guise of reporting, I feel obligated to point out:
1. Monsey may be a “cesspool,” but why changing locations if the support in Israel is so great?
2. There were no dissenters or protestors because only supporters knew the location.
3. Royal Rabbinical recognition saddens us, but does not impress us, because he truth is not affected by it. This point makes me suspect that “MT in Israel” is Mordecai himself. Certainly, the author is very close to him, and that saddens me personally.
I have complete trust in the judgement of “Yerushalayim”, the place of Anshei Amana.
Shabbat Shalom, and do not forget during davening that more important things are going on. I hope that also the Avreichim who heard the shiur with army exemptions in their pockets will appreciate the Mesirut Nefesh of our brave young boys, the Israeli army, who entered Gaza in a very dangerous mission.
July 7th, 2006 at 6:51 am
Your accusations are false:
“Shame on you, Moshe Lerman. You are not misrepresenting? You have no direct knowledge at all!!!”
I wrote that I spoke with Moshe Siegel, and did not pretend ot have direct knowledge. Moshe told me there were almost 50 people.
“So now your statement to the press that the event was cancelled was false”
I did not state anything to the press. I am awaiting your apology.
“then that only one Rov stood and introduced Tendler was false.”
Moshe Siegel told me the name of one prominent Rav, and that is what I reported. I did not state that only one Rav was there.
“And you offer no apology at all???”
For what?
“This is a yirei shomayim? Post any nonsensical third party comment you hear, with no possible means of verification, on a worldwide blog and declare it fact until someone comes forward and confronts you with direct knowledge?”
I only quoted, and I posted because of confusion on this forum whether there was a shiur or not. I did and do not declare fact. If Moshe Siegel calls me and says he told me there were 150 and that I misunderstood, and if he tells me that there were more Rabbanim, I have no problem with that. Actually, both things are completely irrelevant to me.
“There is no place in halacha or basic decency for this type of action, Moshe.”
I see.
“First. post an apology for public misprepresentation of facts and statements you had no responsible explanation for posting in the first place.”
See above.
“Second, distance yourself at once from this eruv rav in Monsey of hate mongerers, who have deteriorated into nothing more than a lynch mob.”
And for this you do not have to apologize?
“We await your apology–and yes, it will be published in HaAretz. I have already spoken to the editors.”
Why would my apology be relevant to HaAretz? If you really spoke to the editors you would know that they do not know about me. So, …
“They are not at all anused at what has occurred in their newspaper over the past few days, and do not take kindly to being manipulated in this manner. ”
This is obviously nonsense. They are known to be happy to report about these juicy matters, and that is exactly why I would never talk to them.
July 7th, 2006 at 7:04 am
MT in Israel, your posts sound bizarre and on the edge of insanity. Regardless of who you are, please try to find a life for yourself outside of this blog because you’re creeping me out (and I imagine a lot of other readers of this blog).
July 7th, 2006 at 7:49 am
MT in Israel seems to think that a small group of kvetchers is behind Rabbi Tendler’s problems.
What about DNA proof? What about dozens of tapes of his averios?
There are letters signed from highly respected chochomim who interviewed the witnesses, heard the tapes and saw the DNA reports. They signed piskei halacha that Rabbi Tendler is a ba’al aveiroh (the “asheira al hamizbayach” in the shul). These are not fringe rabbis or Chassidishe crazies as Rabbi Tendler will lead you to believe. They are rabbonim from the biggest shuls in New Hempstead and across Monsey. Are they kvetchers too?
When Rabbi Tendler quoted respected Rabbonim as having vindicated him, those exact same rabbonim wrote a letter calling him an outright liar and that they never vindicated him of anything. The letter has been published on the internet for all to see. Ask the Vishnitzer dayan. Ask Rov Zimmerman. Ask Rov Orbach. The list goes on and on. Are they kvetchers too?
How about the wife of a close talmid who interrupted Rabbi Tendler locked inside an office with AM wearing a skimpy dress and a wig hiding in his closet. Is the talmid’s wife a kvetcher too?
How about the RCA? They are all kvetchers too?
It seems to me that the only kvetcher is Rabbi Tendler, kvetching that they whole world is out to get him instead of admitting his aveiros and apologizing to the victims.
July 7th, 2006 at 9:44 am
nh is nice is 100% right, and actually understated the case. Well said nh is nice!
I wanted to just add that I have never encoutered a case like the tendlers (senior and juniors) where people are so afraid and intimidated. Who ever heard of so- called Rabbis about whom people are always warend to watch out because if you criticize them they will ruin your life?
MT in Israel must indeed be MT if he thinks that mt is a tzadik- after all of the people, indeed families he has destroyed, all of the chilul Hashem… One of the dayanim of Monsey said it best- MT belongs on 42nd street or any other red light district, not in Eretz Yisrael (certainly not giving a so called shiur!)
July 7th, 2006 at 9:56 am
Moshe Lerman,
Don’t feel guilty about yelling at Moshe Siegel. Giving rebuke to someone who is doing an evil thing (even if he may be a good person at heart) is a necessity.
Good work!
July 7th, 2006 at 10:01 am
Folks, can we please put an end to this debate of whether or not Mordechai Tendler did give a lecture in Har Nof- and how many might- or might not- have attended said lecture? Other than the delusional mental deficients out there, or family members, everyone knows the Emes of the situation as per Rav Binyamin Wosner’s scathing eight page Piska DeHai Dina. Even that paragon of journalistic integrity ‘The Jewish Press’ has stopped its inane editorials defending Tendler. Quite frankly, anyone who wants to hear an ‘Over Al Kama Issurim Chamurim’ (Rav Wosner’s words) speak words of Torah, deserves to hear him. And speaking of delusion- it would be laughable at best to imagine that what we know here in the States, is unknown to those in Eretz Yisroel- not in these technologically advanced times.
Will Mordechai Tendler vanish off the face of the earth as did his brother Aron? Who knows? Who quite frankly, cares? The only thing that is important, is that a sexual abuser and a pedophile have been removed from their offices of trust- Kain Yirbu!! The fourth Perek of Avos teaches, ‘Al Tishtadail Liroso BeShas Kilkaluso’ (Strive not to look at one’s neighbor in the hour of his disgrace). Perhaps, it’s time to stop dignifying these offenders by giving them our attention. Of what purpose is their lofty Yichus- their nepotistic leverage- now?
There are no more letters of defense from the likes of Rav Dovid and Rav Reuvain. No more Hachlatos or Hazmanos from any Bais Din in Eretz Yisroel. Achain Noda HaDavar!! Time to move on.
July 7th, 2006 at 12:10 pm
To MT in Israel;
Lets finish this once and for all. Sex Pervert, Cult Leader, and Master Manipulator MT can provide a DNA sample to the countless Rabonim in Monsey to see if there is match with myself. If he is not willing to do this, then we will NEVER stop letting the entire world know about his sick antics. From US to Israel to N Korea if need be, we will always be there. Chas V’Chalila that this disgusting Rasha get his dirty hands on another woman.
How many of you think that MT will defect to avoid the US Court?
To “MT in Israel”, are you ready to burn in Hell because you’re defending someone that is clearly evil and perverted?
Are you one thousand percent sure that MT never commited Yichud with countless vulnerable women in his private office equipped with a noise box on the outside?
Are you sure that MT never lied publicly?
Are you sure that MT never wrote out checks to the victims to silence them?
Are you sure that all of the audio tapes have been “fixed”?
Are you sure that all of these women are all lying and dragging their families and children into this just because they have something against MT?
YOU’LD BETTER BE SURE, OTHERWISE YOU’RE GONNA BURN FOR A LONG, LONG TIME.
July 7th, 2006 at 12:32 pm
Excuse me Jersey Jew, Binyomin Wosner is a three year old in my daughter’s play group. He has not yet written any piskei halacha, although he does play one hell of a mean Chutes and Ladders.
You must be referring to Ben Zion Wosner, the heretofore unknown dayan amongst the New Hempstead community whose psak you quote.
July 7th, 2006 at 12:52 pm
Kish Mich:
Rav Benzion (as he spells it on the letterhead) Y. Wosner it is- please pardon the typo. Hopefully, that is the only part of my post in contention.
July 7th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
New post on Canonist:
Motion Filed To Protect Anonymous Tendler Bloggers
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July 7th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
MT in Israel -
I’m not interested in how many people came to your secret sicko shiur. I’m interested how many women he has hooked up with since he got there. Is there any opportunity at these classes you guys organize to give the poor guy a chance to meet women? And oh my, where can he go with them so that he can’t be seen? Maybe he can use the place you’re staying at - no, maybe at Moshe Siegel’s house. He’s just going into the bedroom with the lady to um, um, let’s see, well, oh yeah, she needs halakhic advice. No, no, how about he needs to screen out the noise and the interruptions. No, here’s a good one - he’s learning Torah with her. Why don’t you guys sit down and prepare a whole list of excuse. And remember, when you go to sleep at night, visualize him with your wives, daughters, sisters, mothers, and think about if you’re okay with that.
July 7th, 2006 at 4:36 pm
>Anti MT Advocates in Israel Says:
>July 6th, 2006 at 3:23 pm
>MT may have spoken to a couple of dozen sheep, BUT
>THE ARTICLE IN HA’ARETZ WAS READ BY THOUSANDS OF EDUCATED READERS!!!
>jokes on you tendler!
Well how many people does Team Tendler think are going to read, watch and hear the latest in Tendler v. Bloggers over the next few days and months? How many Jewish news outlets, general news outlets (TV, radio, internet) and law journals will be carrying this story? How many internet magazines? How many blogs? Will there be anywhere you can go and not hear of this?
This is going worldwide folks, big time. Constitutional Law courses will have the decision as required reading for decades if not centuries to come.
Team Tendler wanted this and now they’ve got it.
I think we now have to contact Court TV so that it can be televised.
July 8th, 2006 at 3:18 am
Defrocked Rabbi Cannot Violate Anonymous Bloggers’ First Amendment Rights, Public Citizen Tells Court
Subpoena to Reveal Writers’ Identities Is Unconstitutional
Read here: ...
July 8th, 2006 at 4:25 pm
LOL!!!
So MT’s motion in Ohio, that everyone here made fun of, actually SUCCEEDED AND WAS SO ORDERED!
Now JWB and the other loshon hora-niks are scrambling with 100 page emergency defense filings before the local California court enforces the Ohio order!!!
Even in the bizarre world of the blogosphere, occassionally reality must intrude.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer lynch mob.
And JWB, since you are not even America, spare us your God Bless America nonsense. You are about to get a lesson in American civil defense of those not tried and found guilty, and the enforcement of order in the face of a lynch mob.
To reiterate for other readers, as it need be said loudly and repeatedly:
These loshon hora-niks have been so self-righteous and certain of there being no need for trial or beis din that they have proudly waived all halachic and legal limits and parameters — in short, to paraphrase both Lenin and Hitler, The End Justifies the Means for JWB, Vicki Polin and the other loshon hora-niks who have dominated this blog until now. And anyone who voices the slightest qualm with their Bolshevik tactics need be tarred and feathered, or at least accused of being a Team Tendler supporter, rather than one who has concluded that BOTH sides deserve each other in Monsey and Baltimore.
Now they can all get out their checkbooks, because at least one Federal Court judge has rightly put a halt to this lynch mob –and that presumes the eventual ruling of guilt in a court of law or beis din against MT. That is the definition of defending the accused against the lynch mob outside.
Imagine the chilul hashem if, at the end of the day, AM’s case is in fact weak and fails, and there is nothing behind all of these months of postings and worldwide chilul hashem but Vicki Polin’s 17 personalities sacrificing Jewish children on Oprah TV and a contract dispute in a hole in the wall shul in some New York suburb.
And we do NOT accept those funny Canadian dollars in out of court settlements, JWB.
July 8th, 2006 at 9:24 pm
Listen to this Rasha “MT in Israel” YM”S ,
first he berates all the”loshon hora-niks,” and then he goes to talk Loshon Hara about Vicki and every one else who is against the “Sexual pervert of New Hempstead”
Every posting of “MT in Israel” is full of Loshon Hara … in fact this is MT’s MO, he can talk Loshon Harah about everyone, but no one can talk about him.
The fact is … that talking about Mordy’s sexual escapades is a “mitzva le’farseim”
a Mitzvah to spread to everybody, so people can watch out for him!
Here in Israel, we will keep an eye on this sicko …
FG
Yerushalyim Ir Hakodesh
July 8th, 2006 at 10:03 pm
7>MT in Israel Says:
>
>So MT’s motion in Ohio, that everyone here made fun of,
>actually SUCCEEDED AND WAS SO ORDERED!
>
>Now JWB and the other loshon hora-niks are scrambling
>with 100 page emergency defense filings before the local
>California court enforces the Ohio order!!!
Emergency?
Dude, Legal Team Tendler has already sent out 2 seperate extensions to Google extending the time Google has to respond to the subpeonas. We didn’t ask for more time, we didn’t need more time. We’ve been ready to file these motions for some time.
Why did Team Tendler need more time you ask? Because they’ve royally screwed up and are about to be schooled in the Constitutional laws of this great country, MY great country, in a very, very public forum. They’ve tried to buy themselves time and we gave them just enough so that we can go to court with clean hands but no more delays. We are going to go to court. We want to go to court.
Scrambling? We’ve been ready to file for quite a while. We’ve been watching Legal Team Tendler scramble for the past weeks making further and further mistakes and missteps. Don’t be surprised if Team Tendler shortly has new counsel in California and possibly New York. We’re sticking with our legal team and our legal team is sticking with us. Our legal team is simply the best team you could get. We have the top people in the field representing us. These are hero lawyers who believe in our case and Constitutionally protected rights. We don’t need to resort to dirty tricks, we have the American Constitution on our side.
Once again Team Tendler is completely outmatched.
July 8th, 2006 at 10:19 pm
Well said JWB!
July 8th, 2006 at 10:32 pm
Mark September 8th, 2006 on your calendar.
We are going to court.
We are going to make history.
July 8th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
JWB, why don’t you post the time and place.
July 8th, 2006 at 10:52 pm
08:30AM Superior Court of California
More specific information will be available prior to that date and will be posted.
Go to Court TV’s website and leave requests asking them to carry live coverage of the hearing.
July 8th, 2006 at 11:37 pm
Court TV’s toll-free viewer information line: 1-800-268-7856.
JWB, which e-mail address do you think would be the best for Court TV? ...
July 8th, 2006 at 11:44 pm
Contact all of them of course. Email each Court TV address.
There are about 45 million bloggers worldwide that are potentially impacted by the decision in this case.
I suspect there will be quite a bit of media coverage here.
I want to see the hearing live on TV.
July 9th, 2006 at 2:16 am
media blitz my butt, you boys are dumping pails of water from the deck of the Titanic.
couldn;t happen to a nicer bunch of loshon hora-niks.
My, this blog has gotten boring REAL fast, your honor!
July 9th, 2006 at 8:44 am
the only titanic around here ia mt (ys”v)’s ego (remember “my kehillah is the only/ best one in the world, my matzos are the only kosher ones, my shiur is the best on the planet…”) It is the cause of so much pain and destruction!
July 9th, 2006 at 11:25 am
MT,s legal efforts to reveal the identities of the bloggers who do not post under their own names is an effort in futility. Even if he were to suceed in forcing the Blog hosts to reveal the idetities, these companies could not simply because they do not have them. Most bloggers use services that have dynamic IP address assignment. This simply means that the id number keeps changing so there is no way for Google or Yahoo to know who is posting.
His legal beagles should have consulted with some computer mayvins before wasting his money. But, who cares let them spend his money on this charade. Another, “I never got my day in court!’ excuse to add to his collection.
July 9th, 2006 at 4:13 pm
Rabbi Mark Dratch wrote in the May 25, 2006 edition of the Jewish Week:
“These concerns are serious ones and cannot be easily dismissed or pushed aside. They deal with fundamental precepts of Jewish law and the very bases of moral decency.
But denial and cover-up and dismissal of complaints and victimization of vulnerable children and adults are also serious and cannot be easily dismissed or pushed aside. Too many innocents have felt unheard, ignored, rejected, and sacrificed on the altar of public and private reputations. They have been silenced in order to protect the image of a community whose perfection exists only in their imaginations.
Too many times Jewish law and Jewish values are misapplied, misinterpreted and misappropriated in order to achieve these reprehensible ends.
There are reasons that victims, along with their supporters and advocates, have turned to the blogs, Web sites, newspapers and magazines. And that’s because too many times they first turned to rabbis and Jewish institutional leaders to complain about the abuse and violation they suffered — and they were abused again.
Can these blogs be more responsible? Yes, and they need to exercise much greater care in upholding standards of decency, fairness and justice because they, too, can be responsible for harming innocents. And Web surfers should not necessarily believe what they read on them. In fact, they should take much of what they see on these sites with less than a grain of salt.
But the blogs are here and, for now, supply a valuable service. In a community that was responsive and accountable the excesses on the blogs would be unnecessary. At the moment, there are those who feel that they have no other choice. Innocents — victims and potential victims of abuse and the values and reputation of a compassionate and valuable community — are being hurt by a community that could and should do better.”
I hope MT in Israel reads the above. I further hope that he/she realizes that until recently very few victims of outrageous conduct perpetrated by orthodox Jews, especially rabbis, have been treated fairly, and their complaints pretty much buried and swept under the rug. One victim quoted by Rabbi Dratch in a later Jewish Week article stated in effect that sexual predators are like mold, they grow in the dark. I further hope that MT in Israel does more than parrot the party line of a lack of due process and loshan hora. That demeans anyone making such comments. Tendler has had numerous opportunities to set the record straight. However, as was said of Arafat “he has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity” to set the record straight (if he can).
It is nonsensical and insulting to think that Tendler had no real opportunity to meet with the RCA and/or some or all of the complainants, in person, to address the claims against him. It is further insulting for him and his followers to hide behind a confidentiality agreement of their own drafting consecrated with their own money in not discussing the details of an alleged affair between him and another woman. The same applies to the accusations of sex and therapy or both made by Ms. Marmelstein against Tendler and those claiming with their own eyes to have seen Tendler alone with her in spite of his statements to the contrary. As I have written before, I heard a tape in which Tendler and a woman were alone in a vehicle. And in my opinion, it was nothing short of a ‘pick up’ by Tendler. Most of the above can be considered facts, and that which cannot, are so detailed, that they demand a substantive denial and not an infantile response of “i didn’t do it.”
Remember, we are not talking about a sitting US President, claiming that his infidelity did not affect his job performance. We are talking about a pulpit (or was) rabbi counseling people in the ways of God. Surely, MT in Israel has to appreciate that even the spectre of such accusations, the sheer number of them, their consistency and similarity, warranted Tendler’s dismissal as a pulpit rabbi.
Tendler and his crew, like the Palestinians firing rockets into Ashkelon, would try to turn the tables and portray him as the victim. Such a stake is almost beneath comment. But, the similarity does not end there. As you know an anonymous letter has been sent to certain members of the Board of Driectors and Board of Trustees of the Kehillat New Hempstead. This missive missile like the ones hitting our Jewish brothers and sisters is, in my opinion, intended to spread terror amongst the Board members and possibly the membership. I am told that another has since found its mark. The fact is that these letters are intended to hurt and terrorize innocent people not one of whom is accused by anyone of the outrageous conduct surrounding Tendler. It is the same type of tactic taken by Tendler when he sued certain members of both Boards and others (”The New Hempstead Ten”) in a Jewish court situated in Manhattan (I believe).
People should know, however, that these letters will not be locked away. They will be publicized and referred to the appropriate authorities for investigation and, hopefully, prosecution. In any event, we must draw together, and position ourselves that we shall not be moved…..whether in CA or NY…………certainly not by a person with such a record of accusations hanging over him.
Let MT in Israel see this. Let him ask the hard questions, try and feel the hurt of the alleged victims, and most importantly remove the fog of unquestioned loyalty as if he was in some opium induced stupor. Once MT in Israel awakens, pinches himself, he will have to come to the conclusion that all reasonable persons have already done concerning Tendler and the accusations against him.
Lastly, If MT in Israel remains unconvinced, then let him urge Tendler to forsake any appeal and engage on the merits the accusations of AM. Everyone will have to present their evidence and their case, and Tendler will have his day in court that he so desperately says he wants. The whole world will then be able to see and hear the truth. And concerning AM’s case, it should be known, that I forwarded copies of Justice Solomon’s latest decision and order to the NY Post and to the Journal News. Those papers, and possibly others, will be kept informed of all the public developments in the Tendler cases.
July 10th, 2006 at 2:42 am
Jeffrey,
You forgot to mention that after he sued the KNH 10 in Bais Din, he refused to follow up, instead prefering to go to civil court with a heter arkaos. When I asked R’ Hirsch Ginzberg about this and mentioned to him that the Jewish Voice and Opinion had printed that his Bais Din had given a heter to MT, he explained: MT asked him for a heter to get an injunction in civil court (barring his removal,) pending trial in Bais Din. Most poskim agree that you don’t need a heter for such an action. He further stated (”That’s exactly what I told her (Susan Rosenbluth) when she called”. Never one to be confused by the facts, Susie wrote that MT got a heter to go to civil court.
July 10th, 2006 at 7:15 am
Jeff-
I have to tell you-every time you use the word “alleged” when describing the victims, it makes my skin crawl. I believe that you have enough evidence that the “victims” are credible, and that they were taken advantage of.
July 10th, 2006 at 10:41 am
Dovid Shatz Says:
May 2nd, 2006 at 3:45 am
…
The articles in the April edition of Susie’s rag, which are much more akin to fiction than to news articles, include: The lie that Rav Kanievsky said the RCA has to go to Bais Din, when his second letter clearly does not say that; the Satmar conspiracy theory; Tendler Senior; metzitah b’peh; the magnificent seven; and anything else she can throw in in attempt to cloud the issue. Among the new lies in this issue, regarding Rabbi Graus as a Borer, Susie writes:
“Nevertheless, Rabbi Tendler and the Beit Din of Agudas Harabonim disqualified Rabbi Graus, and Mr. Pomeranz’s board was asked to specify a new borer.
When Mr. Pomeranz’s board failed to do so, the Beit Din of Agudas HaRabbonim gave Rabbi Tendler a heter, or permission, to take his case to against Mr Pomeranz’s board to secular court.?
Yesterday, May1, at 4:00PM, I called the Beis Din Of Agudas HaRabbanim and asked Rabbi Ginzburg if he gave Mordechai Tendler a Heter Arkaos to go to Rockland County Supreme Court. He replied ‘Chas V’shalom! He never asked me, I never gave it to him. I just sent a hazmana’.?
Now, there is the possibility that Mordechai may have swiped some stationary and will at some point in the future produce a heter. But a phone call at around the same time to KNH’s counsel revealed that he has not seen a heter arkaos, he has not seen a Tzav “lo tzayis Deena?, he was not been informed by Agudas Harabonim that Rabbi Graus was disqualified; he has not seen a second hazmana,… you get the picture.
…
July 10th, 2006 at 11:59 am
What is inconsistant in the 2 accounts by Mr. Shatz?
July 10th, 2006 at 7:18 pm
Rumor has it that OS members are bringing in a scholar in residence in a week or two to see if he would be good at KNH, is there any truth to this???
July 11th, 2006 at 8:33 am
I got a call 2 days ago from a (non -Jewish) reporter at one of the major NY newspapers. They want to run another article on Tendler’s misdeeds.
What a chillul hashem this man has created. And he doesn’t have the humility to stop!
July 11th, 2006 at 8:44 am
Is Tendler still in Israel?
I believe he had a wedding of a niece or nephew (sister’s child) last Wednesday. That was the day before his “hugely successful” shiur that brought a crowd of thousands of adoring fans to an undisclosed unmarked bunker in J’m.
What is the reason that the Israeli police were waiting to arrest Mordechai Gafni at the border in Israel and not the other Rasha Mordechai? Isn’t there anything that he is arrestable for?
All you KNH’ers-can’t you sue him for misappopriation of funds? Wasn’t Eric Lafazam being investigated by the Rockland D.A.?
July 11th, 2006 at 10:07 am
To Prophet Reader: By all means talk to the reporter. Be factual and if you have an opinion, let the writer know that it is your opinion and your reasoning for it. Do not be defamatory. There is more than enough in the record and hyperbole and rantings are unnecessary. Let Tendler’s record of accusations and evidence against him sink him; he doesn’t need any help.
July 11th, 2006 at 11:09 am
Jeff-thanks for the advice.
July 11th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
Here is what I have found in New Hempstead. First let me say I moved there with my wife and one child about a decade ago. Because we were BT, we had a hard time having our children accepted in a yeshiva and that was real difficult for us. But eventually we got them in. anyway, before we moved here, we were told that Tendler’s shul would be good for us. Well, we know how that turned out. Never in my life did I imagine that an Orthdoox rabbi could do those things. I don’t feel at home in the ‘black hat’ shul of Rabbi Shabbos. But I tried it anyway and found out while there that some peopple had left because there is a gonuv (thief) there who stole his friend’s business, and the shul didn’t even care about it. So we don’t know what to do. Maybe try Rabby Ciner’s shul.
July 11th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
Most recent Tendler escapes in New Hempstead, per KNH’s e-mail to its members today…
As we have mentioned in the past, it is important that our members and Community be apprised of any developments in the continuing R. Tendler matter.
In this mode, as an update, we have recently been notified that a certain number of Board members and Trustees received an anonymous letter that purported to threaten those individuals with disclosure of alleged personal and/or confidential information items, the apparent intent of the disclosure due to Kehillat New Hempstead’s employment severance of R. Tendler. Feeling that such letters were both intentionally harassing and purposefully intimidating we initially reached out to the District Attorney’s office to lodge a complaint. Prior to formalizing the complaint, we have now learned that a few of those individuals that received the initial letter have now received an additional letter which contains specific personal / confidential information of which the anonymous writer threatens to disclose. Some of the information contained therein was only known to one or two close aquaintences, one of them clearly being R. Tendler. This is in line with an earlier threat that R. Tendler made to a Board member about a personal item that only R. Tendler was privy to. Convinced of the harassing nature and the ultimate source of the attempted intimidation, we are insistent on providing such information to the authorities with the expectation and understanding that they will undertake the proper investigation.
Regardless, we are deeply saddened that R. Tendler and/or his designated agents have for purposes of intimidation, resorted to using confidences obtained in confidential counselings, as well as resorting to dissemination of outright fabricated allegations. Using breaches of confidentiality and disseminating loshan hara for any purpose, let alone financial gain is disgraceful. This behavior only makes us more confident that we acted properly in moving our Shul forward without R. Tendler.
As a side note, to date R. Tendler has never addressed and/or resolved the very issues which caused his dismissal.
We are always hopeful that any issues with R. Tendler would be resolved through the Bais Din process, which we have both sought and instituted. However, R. Tendler has consistently ignored our responses to his Hazmana and well as ignoring the Hazmona which KNH served him with, seeking instead to have such issues decided by the secular court.
We are saddened that R. Tendler continues to ignore the dictates of Halacha.
In any event, we are committed to having all open matters satisfactorily resolved, and we are confident that the Shul has acted appropriately in all regards.
If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me.
Fred Brinn, President
July 12th, 2006 at 12:34 am
I would contact the RCA as well as JSAFE.
July 12th, 2006 at 5:44 am
This guy Tendler,if this is true, is shocking and unbelievable. What a horror. Who would want to be very frum after having this guy as your rabbi? I can certainly understand BT and the way he feels.
July 12th, 2006 at 7:31 am
Watch out for an article about the “pervert” tENDLER in this week’s Forward!
This crazy lunatic that calls himsef tENDLERr is suing Google to find out who the bloggers are?
This is actually a constitutional issue and will make headlines in all major papers no matter the outcome, why any thinking person would want to be in major papers again, baffels all of us! The papers will no doubt rehash all of tENDLER”S sexual past.
We thought about why “mt” would do something like this, and the Rabbonim of Monsey told me that G-D works in strange ways, G-d will make sure that the whole world knows about his perversions since he refuses to do Tshuvah and own up to his wrongdoings … “Hashem yeracheim! And this is actually what our Chazal say … that wicked people even when they are at the gates of Hell, refuse to do Teshuvah!
July 12th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
If this is true, it will bring shame to the Orthodox Jewish community. It will diminish Torah in the eyes of the world, including our fellow Jews. Many people who were once committed to Torah and Yiddishkeit, halacha and minhag, will turn away. This is the outome of a chillul Hashem.
July 12th, 2006 at 9:51 pm
BT: Yes, the outcome will be a Chillul HaShem. However, Orthodox Jews must be prepared to stand for the truth. When truth and chillul clash, truth must triumph. Would you rather that the cancers be sweeped under the rug and continue to spread the disease? And we lose even more when the people discover the truth and realize that so many leaders are hypocritical in addition to the one sick individual.
Exposing and dealing with the problems up front may create a chillul but trying to cover up the problem results in a chillul which is far worse. Just look at the current issue and the history of ignoring the warnings and streams of complaints.
July 12th, 2006 at 11:05 pm
From Smear Susie:
Despite His Enemies’ Best Efforts, Rabbi Tendler’s Shiur
in Jerusalem Went Off “without a Hitch?
…
...
Next she’ll be telling us “The Titanic, maiden voyage went well, passengers who remained for the full voyage make no complaints.”
July 13th, 2006 at 12:03 am
My gosh-just read the article in Susie’s rag-how hilarious! It’s on page 55 btw for those of you who don’t want to look through the entire thing.
I think that it is time for us to start our telephone campaign again to her advertisers.
GET ON THE PHONES AND TELL THOSE BUSINESSES THAT ADVERTISE WITH HER THAT WE ARE BOYCOTTING!
You can also call susie and tell her that there is no such place as “ma’aleh dafna”!
What a moron.
July 13th, 2006 at 6:30 am
New Tendler article online @ the Forward.com
...
If Mordy Tendler proceeds with this crazy lawsuit, Rabbi Yosef Blau and Rabbi Gedalya Schwartz should sue the ISP who hosted the blaufacts.com website to force them to reveal who paid for that website. That site posted plenty of defamatory information about them and was obviously a tool of Mordy Tendler and his thugs.
July 13th, 2006 at 7:50 am
Well, gang, there’s a new letter that’s been circulated by “New Hempstead Truth.”
It denies all the allegations in Freddy’s letter, naturally.
It also has some disturbing grammatical errors and refers to ‘bais dins’ instead of ‘batei din,’ which is a mistake I don’t think RMT would make.
So who wrote the letter? It’s got RMT’s name on it.
Who can we believe?
I’ve had it. I’m going to break my fast today at noon with a cheeseburger, and I’m not gonna wash for hamotzi first, either!
At this point, I don’t see a single rov or rabbi or gadol or manhig or even askan or stadlan who is worth a piece of crap.
And it occurred to me this morning - nothing we have has ever lasted. The luchos were broken within minutes of coming down the mountain. We didn’t get Eretz Yisrael, and then, 40 years later, we got it. Then we lost it after churban 1. Then we lost it after churban 2. We were expelled from Spain, slaughtered in progroms, and then nearly exterminated by the Nazis. We were attacked within minutes of declaring a state. Now we’re being attacked again.
Maybe we were never meant to do this? Maybe this whole yiddishkeit thing is just a big mistake?
July 13th, 2006 at 8:04 am
Interesting last line in MT’s letter to KNH.
“Fred Brinn’s letter is further proof of the horrendous mistake of the so-called Boards when they suspended and terminated my contract. ”
So are the threats in the anonymous letter related to his being fired. Is this his method of payback, claiming the Board made a “horrendous mistake” ???
Two Tendler’s have been taken down and revealed for what they truly are. Is there a third on the horizon ??
July 13th, 2006 at 8:08 am
The Chilul Hashem’s letter to KNH in entirety.
>To all who have received Fred Brinn’s most recent bizarre e-mail:
>were received by some individuals. I categorically deny any involvement by myself >anonymous letters, though I have been the victim of such.
>Recently, an open knife was placed on my property as a clear threat to myself and >my family. The knife is now in the possession of the Ramapo police. This past >weekend my phone line was cut while I was in Israel. This follows a pattern of >abuse and threats,especially on the internet, some of it authored quite openly by >members of the so-called Boards. In addition, it is the members of the so-called >Boards who refused to go to a legitimate Bais Din and who have violated injunctions >of reknowned Bais Dins in Israel and the states. Many of my supporters will testify >that they have been threatened by loss of jobs, fabricated lawsuit and worse. Fred >Brinn’s letter is further proof of the horrendous mistake of the so-called Boards >when they suspended and terminated my contract.
>Maintaining the Dignity of the Torah,
>Rabbi Mordecai Tendler
What a joke - He maintains the dignity of the Torah. Nothing could be further from the truth
July 13th, 2006 at 8:09 am
Sorry it got screwed up…
To all who have received Fred Brinn’s most recent bizarre e-mail:
I have just returned from a week in Israel. I have no idea of what purported letters were received by some individuals. I categorically deny any involvement by myself or anybody associated with me. I do not and have never resorted to threats or anonymous letters, though I have been the victim of such.
Recently, an open knife was placed on my property as a clear threat to myself and my family. The knife is now in the possession of the Ramapo police. This past weekend my phone line was cut while I was in Israel. This follows a pattern of abuse and threats,especially on the internet, some of it authored quite openly by members of the so-called Boards. In addition, it is the members of the so-called Boards who refused to go to a legitimate Bais Din and who have violated injunctions of reknowned Bais Dins in Israel and the states. Many of my supporters will testify that they have been threatened by loss of jobs, fabricated lawsuit and worse. Fred Brinn’s letter is further proof of the horrendous mistake of the so-called Boards when they suspended and terminated my contract.
Maintaining the Dignity of the Torah,
Rabbi Mordecai Tendler
July 13th, 2006 at 8:16 am
Please post the entire letter.
July 13th, 2006 at 9:51 am
Looks like its time to give the IRS a call. Lets see how some of those who maintain the dignity of the torah, report their income.
Or maybe how discretionary funds, charitible deductions are taken and used for certain purposes.
I believe the time has come.
July 13th, 2006 at 9:55 am
The Chilul Hashem’s letter:
To all who have received Fred Brinn’s most recent bizarre e-mail:
I have just returned from a week in Israel. I have no idea of what purported letters were received by some individuals. I categorically deny any involvement by myself or anybody associated with me. I do not and have never resorted to threats or anonymous letters, though I have been the victim of such.
Recently, an open knife was placed on my property as a clear threat to myself and my family. The knife is now in the possession of the Ramapo police. This past weekend my phone line was cut while I was in Israel. This follows a pattern of abuse and threats,especially on the internet, some of it authored quite openly by members of the so-called Boards. In addition, it is the members of the so-called Boards who refused to go to a legitimate Bais Din and who have violated injunctions of reknowned Bais Dins in Israel and the states. Many of my supporters will testify that they have been threatened by loss of jobs, fabricated lawsuit and worse. Fred Brinn’s letter is further proof of the horrendous mistake of the so-called Boards when they suspended and terminated my contract.
Maintaining the Dignity of the Torah,
Rabbi Mordecai Tendler
July 13th, 2006 at 10:46 am
The butcher the baker the candlestick maker. Three’s Company. The Three Little Bears.
One is good, Two is better, but three is a really really good number.
The game is on.
July 13th, 2006 at 11:53 am
Please, I am not a member of KNH nor affiliated with any one over there-
But I am following this and am equally shocked, outraged and all the other descriptives.
Who do you propose is the third “muskateer?”
July 13th, 2006 at 11:59 am
Press Release
Defrocked Rabbi Drops Case Seeking Anonymous Bloggers’ Identities
End of Suit Is a Victory for First Amendment Rights on the Internet
see: ...
July 13th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
Anyone know of the malpractice case where brother Yacov is being sued by the Estate of Raye Arnot (Rockland County Supreme Court 9563/05).
July 13th, 2006 at 2:04 pm
To Anonymousless Says: ….
We may not be perfect but we are the best HaShem could find to work with….
There are many terrific individuals (inlcusing some Rabbonim) that have been involved and who are trying to rectify the problems in a respectful manner. These people not only give of their time but also have paid from their personal pocketbooks.
If HaShem has kept us around for so long we must be doing something right.
July 13th, 2006 at 2:23 pm
I have no idea who this Suzie of the Jewish Voice is …
but she just wrote a piece of fiction!
My brother and I went to Mt’s shiur and there were 22 people there.
Of those 22, I am counting Tendler and his 2 son-in-laws, Siegel and my brother and myself … which means there were 16 people there …
there was a known Rabbi there, but he now knows the truth and will never step in “mordechai’s daled amos” again, as he put it himself!
I also think if we can get this piece of thrash out of Israel ,,, we will have a yehoshua of all our enemies! Amein
July 13th, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Ah yes, the Three Muskateers:
Aramis (MT) loves intrigues and women, which fits well with the opinions of the time regarding Jesuits and abbots (before the French Revolution, abbots benefited the incomes of an abbey, but were not required to follow the monastery rules - which Aramis understands well).
Porthos (AT) is the extrovert of the group, enjoying wine, women and song. His eating abilities even impress King Louis XIV during a banquet at Versailles. As the story advances, he looks more and more of a giant, and his death is that of a titan.
Athos (YT) has a mysterious past connecting him with the villainess of the novel, Milady de Winter. The oldest by some years, Athos is a father figure to the other musketeers. He is described as noble and handsome but also very secretive, drowning his secret sorrows in drink.
July 13th, 2006 at 3:37 pm
Deepest of the Deep
How about a letter to the editor to Ha’aretz? and one to Susie Smear?
July 13th, 2006 at 3:40 pm
Deepest-where was the class held? Was it in Har Nof? Maalot Daphne?
July 13th, 2006 at 9:15 pm
MT writes: “Maintaining the Dignity of the Torah,”
If he wants to maintain the dignity of the Torah, he should keep his zipper shut
July 13th, 2006 at 10:54 pm
Per Susie Smear:
>Supporters of Rabbi Tendler reacted to the Ha’aretz
>piece with outrage and demanded a correction,
>which the reporter, Daphna Berman, indicated
>may be forthcoming.
Well it’s July 14. The article was printed on July 5. No correction, no clarification and no apology.
see: ...
In fact the Haaretz APPROVED talkback doesn’t even have 1 comment to that effect.
It does however have a comment about my legal victory over Tendler.
July 14th, 2006 at 5:48 am
Jewish Fecal Matter,
There is no inconsistancy in my posts. For some reason most people on this blog have an aversion to picking up the phone and asking questions of people involved who are clearly listed in the phone book. When Yaakov Tendler posted that the KNH board was in contempt and MT got a heter, I called R’ Hirsch Ginzberg and asked him if he gave a Heter Arkaos to MT, to which he responded Chas V’shalom, etc, as I posted. After I saw Susie Smears article stating that MT got a heter, I called Hirsch Ginzberg a SECOND TIME and asked him if it was as stated in Susie’s rag. On that point he clarified WHAT HE TOLD SUSIE! Yet, never one to be confused by the facts, Susie posted a deliberately misleading LIE. (like,Surprise, DUH!) Knowing that he did not have a heter arkaos, Susie published along the lines of “Anochi - Eisav B’chorecha. MT got a heter, to get an ikul (Injunction) from a civil court against being removed from the rabbinate pending appearance at a Bais Din, but not to go to court. But Susie is never one to be bothered by the truth.
July 14th, 2006 at 7:17 am
Dovid Shatz:
>MT got a heter, to get an ikul (Injunction) from a civil court against being removed from the rabbinate pending appearance at a Bais Din, but not to go to court. But Susie is never one to be bothered by the truth.
July 14th, 2006 at 7:20 am
The above post (July 14th 2006 at 7:17 am) is not my post. My post which was submitted on the same date at 8:19 am never appeared.
July 14th, 2006 at 7:33 am
Sueme Shmear wouldn’t know the truth if she were locked in an office of a small suburban otherwise meaningless shul with the pulpit rabbi counseling her to the fact that she was closed to men (whatever the hell that means). Said counseling consisting of Susie dressed in a cheap wig and reaking of Avon, while being ridden like she were Secretariat coming (no pun intended) (well, maybe) around turn three. She makes Jason Maoz look like Albert Pulitzer.
July 14th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
I just stumbled across an old case on The Awareness Center’s web page. It’s regarding how old cases were handled. I thought you all might be interested in reading it. The case is from 1969: ...
July 14th, 2006 at 1:05 pm
“In addition, it is the members of the so-called Boards who refused to go to a legitimate Bais Din and who have violated injunctions of reknowned Bais Dins in Israel and the states. Many of my supporters will testify that they have been threatened by loss of jobs, fabricated lawsuit and worse. Fred Brinn’s letter is further proof of the horrendous mistake of the so-called Boards when they suspended and terminated my contract.
Maintaining the Dignity of the Torah,
Rabbi Mordecai Tendler”
I just saw the above on this blog. I will comment on the items touched upon as follows:
1. The Boards are not ’so-called’ indicating illegitmacy. I was present at their election and it was done more democratically than ever before. In fact, at this election the many members present registered in writing their opinion that Tendler should have his services terminated. We should remember that these elections had to occur in the way they did because Messrs. Teichman and Engelman and Dr. Liebling resigned. This created a sudden and unexpected crisis in the governance of the synagogue at a time when Tendler and the shul were served with a summons and complaint by Ms. Marmelstein, and Rabbi Wosner and other rabbis published a stinging report criticising Tendler for inappropriate conduct;
2. Concerning the alleged failure to go to a ‘legitimate’ Bais Din, I question this. Assuming this particular Bais Din doesn’t take bribes or cash under the table, as one was described in New York Magazine by a woman who brought a civil lawsuit against it in her matrimonial dispute, my belief is is that KNH in fact responded appropriately to being summoned by Tendler and makes no bones about finishing the process there, if need be;
3. On the issue of injunctions being issued, this may well be true, but the issuance, I believe, by the Jerusalem Bet Din of its injunction was, to someone like me versed in American jurisprudence, incomprehensible at best and unseemly at worst. As I recall that injuction, Tendler became the only Jew in the world who could not be harmed in any fashion by any person or entity; not just by the parties to that Bet Din which, incidentally, did not include KNH or its Boards or any members thereof. In my opinion, this enjoinder was almost Biblical in nature, bringing to mind God’s injunction against all of creation from harming Cain after he murdered his brother. One can argue similarities in the two situations, one of which being the protection afforded to persons accused of unacceptable and outrageous conduct;
4. It is pure balderdash that anyone on the Boards, at least to my knowledge, have threatened Tendler supporters with a loss of jobs. There was talk of a lawsuit against some of Tendler’s supporters who allegedly wrongfully and publicly accused certain members of KNH with theft. I personally discouraged such actions although I drafted a proposed complaint on behalf of those who thought themselves wronged and defamed. And there is no ‘worse’ in terms of threats against anyone supporting Tendler. I would argue that nothing should be kept private and everything and everyone involved in this whole contentious situation be made known to the public, including the media; there should be no anonymity. Tendler supporters should voice their opinions about him publicly, testify publicly and speak to the media, print and otherwise, concerning their support and reasons for it. How else will Tendler’s message of being unjustly accuesed with no opportunity to be heard be broadcast? But, if they won’t do it, I am sure all of this will be aired out in the public forums of the Courts of law; and
5. Finally, Tendler claims a ‘horrendous mistake’ was made by the so-called Boards when they suspended and then terminated his contract. Let Tendler explain this in depth. Was it a mistake to suspend and then terminate an employee who has been accused by multiple women of engaging in sexually inappropriate conduct on a myriad of occasions? Was it such a mistake, when a tape has been broadcast that is unmistakeable in showing a ‘pickup’ attempt of a woman, who may or may not have been divorced, by this same employee? Was it such a mistake where this employee’s membership was terminated by the most important and established Jewish spiritual organization in the US after a full investigation, the taking of testimony, and notice to the employee with an opportunity to be heard, which he disdained? Was it such a mistake, where it is undeniable that money passed hands to silence a woman from speaking about a sexual relationship with this same employee, especially when both of them were married at the time? Was it such a mistake where another woman sued the employee for sexual misconduct in a State Supreme Court and included his employer as a defendant? Was it such a mistake where another woman confessed to members of the employer that, contrary to the employee’s claim, she saw him alone with an unmarried woman behind a closed door at an unusual hour of the morning? Does it really matter whether any or all of the above is true or not? Can Tendler truly argue that KNH would survive with him at the helm with this mammouth and threatening cloud of contention hanging over him? Wasn’t a large loss of revenue and membership occurring at KNH precisely because Tendler was its spiritual leader as more and more of these accusations were hurled against him? The answere are obvious to all, except, apparently, to Tendler and his supporters. With Tendler in control, the shul was a dead man walking; with him, there is a hope of resuscitation. The KNH BOD/BOT made no ‘horrendous mistake.’ They did the only responsible thing there was to do. It was an act of amazing courage and they should be congratulated and supported wholeheartedly.
In sum, the only thing ‘horrendous’ thing about all of this is was the length of time Tendler served at KNH and the unquestioning loyalty shown him that was unsupervised and unaudited and gave him carte blanche in
running of KNH.
July 14th, 2006 at 1:17 pm
If you people are smart:
1) You’ll order copies of all material filed in Ohio and California and when Tendler says discoveries should be delayed as they would prejudice him during his appeal period. You’ll slap down 100s of pages of court filings which demonstrate the complete inconsistency of that position and the conduct of his lawyers is similar litigation and then you will demand no more delays.
2) You’ll spend thousands of dollars to hire a forensic accountant to examine the synagogue’s books and any synagogue discretionary funds. You will then post the results on your website and take the full appropriate legal action that it allows.
July 14th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
Jeff, regarding your reference above to the Seiger Case (”Assuming this particular Bais Din doesn’t take bribes or cash under the table, as one was described in New York Magazine by a woman who brought a civil lawsuit against it in her matrimonial dispute”) Sieger lost that case.
July 14th, 2006 at 5:03 pm
Kish Mich is none other than DS. The firm that DS worked for handled the Sieger case.
July 16th, 2006 at 12:23 am
DS has a terrible conflict representing both KNH and formerly MT. I can not understand how KNH hired his firm under those circumstances. To me, a non-lawyer, it seem blatantly unethical at the very least. I can not believe we gave his firm $25,000. Outrageous!
July 16th, 2006 at 9:55 am
To Kish Mich: I take no position on the merits of the allegations in that case. However, in response to your observation, please note that it was not decided on the merits. Instead, the court would not examine the claims because it fell outside of the court’s jurisdiction; it being a matter barred by the US and State constitutions.
July 16th, 2006 at 11:22 am
Jeff you are correct, however, just leaving the issue out there as you did gives the impression that the rabbis involved were guilty as was laid out in the press. As you know, the law doesn’t recognize what you know, it only recognizes what you can prove.
July 17th, 2006 at 11:46 am
Hey Insider,
Any news on Rabbi Tendler filing an appeal or filing an answer?
July 18th, 2006 at 8:46 pm
NHN reports that Tendler’s supporters are suing the board
July 18th, 2006 at 10:42 pm
Anyone out there know who Simon Zarour of MacNamara is?
He is one of the families suing the board.
Where does he daven Shabbos, is he even frum?
July 18th, 2006 at 10:49 pm
It is confirmed. The lawsuit court file # SU-2006-005456 was filed in Rockland County July 14, 2006. Basically, Team Tendler supporters are claiming they not the current KNH board are the legitimate board.
In other words, the 15 Plaintiffs include
1) BAIS KNESSES OF NEW HEMPSTEAD INC-AKA
2) KEHILLAT NEW HEMPSTEAD
3) RAV ARON JOFEN COMMUNITY SYNAGOGUE
and the 9 Defendants include
1) BAIS KNESSES OF NEW HEMPSTEAD INC-AKA
2) KEHILLAT NEW HEMPSTEAD
3) RAV ARON JOFEN COMMUNITY SYNAGOGUE
Pretty goofy stuff.
But actually it is quite a serious escalation.
I guess now that Tendler is running from his day in court and dropping a court action against bloggers, his proxies/supporters will now fight and file lawsuits instead. This could lead to an explosion of absurd and pointless lawsuits in Rockland County. Not to mention cause delays in the first civil suit as the Plaintiff board now claims it not the Defendant board represents the shul.
But then this is what happens when instead by pushing the 1st civil suit forward, KNH (the Defendant version) needlessly delays it.
July 18th, 2006 at 11:17 pm
Just to show how complicated this makes existing litigation.
On March 30, 2006 Mordecai Tendler filed a lawsuit against
1) RAV ARON JOFEN COMMUNITY SYNAGOGUE
2) BAIS KNESSES OF NEW HEMPSTEAD INC-DBA
So is he suing the Plaintiff or Defendant version of these 2?
As I said, pretty goofy stuff.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:33 am
How can he sue Bais Knesses of NH…that is Rabbi Schabes’s shul. What is his claim against them? Maybe he is suing that he, not Rabbi Schabes, is the real rav of that shul? Isn’t he the ONLY rav allowed to live in NH?
July 19th, 2006 at 5:32 am
This lawsuit was file on Shiva Asar B’Tamuz and is returnable on Tisha Bav!
July 19th, 2006 at 5:59 am
Again, WHY is Tendler suing the shul of Rabbi Schabes?
July 19th, 2006 at 7:01 am
The suit filed by MT on March 30 is captioned:
MORDECAI TENDLER Plaintiff
-against-
BAIS KNESSES OF NEW HEMPSTEAD, INC.. d/b/a
THE RAV ARON JOFEN COMMUNITY SYNAGOGUE. Defendant
The suit makes no claim that the board that fired him was improperly installed, nor does it allege the board is illegal or refer to it as “so-called”.
BTW, July 14 was a Friday, the 18 of Tammuz. No fast day can fall on Friday except asarah b’teivas.
As far as Tendler’s “so called” Board is concerned, I think the first question on the deposition should be:
Please explain how it took you 6 months to notice that you weren’t a functioning board member?
and just to clarify one more issue….
>The Wondering Jew Says:
>July 14th, 2006 at 7:17 am
>Dovid Shatz:
>MT got a heter, to get an ikul (Injunction) from a civil court against being removed from the rabbinate pending appearance at a Bais Din, but not to go to court. But Susie is never one to be bothered by the truth.
Rabbi Ginzberg said a heter is not needed to get an ikul from a civil court pending going to Bais Din. This something that I have heard from other Rabbanim in the past, so it’s not unusual. The point is moot, because there is no record that MT got an injunction.
I just can’t wait to see Susiesmear’s spin on the “so called board” suing the “so called board.” Susie, don’t forget to make up a story about a Bais Din that gave them their heter, even though they never sent a hazmona, and made no attempt to go to Bais Din. Maybe it was the Bais Din of 71 that came to hear MT’s shiur in Israel that gave them a heter? Yeah! That’s the ticket!
July 19th, 2006 at 7:48 am
>This lawsuit was file on Shiva Asar B’Tamuz and is returnable on Tisha Bav!
Technically filed on the day after Shiva Asar B’Tamuz.
When the bloggers received subpeonas, the first time we received notice just prior to erev Peasach and the second time on erev Shavuot. We assumed it was to maximize the inconvenience and minimize the time we had to respond.
In other words, expect more nonsense to be filed close to erev Rosh Hashanah. This seems to be their pattern.
July 19th, 2006 at 10:48 am
One must be an old time New Hempstead Jew (if there is such a thing) to appreciate the import of the most recent filing, Esformes v Brinn. With the understanding of the history of KNH, and how it came to be, came to develop, rose and grew - it is virtually impossible to have scripted this in any more a dramatic fashion. Irony doesn’t even begin to describe this dynamic turn of events. It is far deeper than that.
This certainly disproves the claim that Tendler has lost the support of his family.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:07 pm
It is clear that Tendlers strategy is to have a war of attrition. He is forcing everyone to pay huge amounts of money for lawyers and he is betting that they will run out of money and give up before he does. Its a good strategy for him because he has megabucks behind him in Esformes and Charlie Kushner and who knows what other gvirim who owe favors to the Tendlers.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:11 pm
I am so angry at the recent filing of the lawsuit. To do this when our brothers and sisters are hurting so bad in Israel, when we call upon the Living God to protect them and save them………..to have a lawsuit to reinstate a rabbi accused of inappropriate sexual conduct reinstated filed at this time. This is not a quest for justice; it is an expression of unmitigated and selfish ego. Shame on the plaintiffs. I believe they should be shunned.
July 19th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
New Tendler article
see: ...
Rabbi Drops Bid To Out Bloggers
Free speech appears to be on side of anonymous Web sites.
Jennifer Friedlin - Jewish Week Correspondent
July 19th, 2006 at 1:43 pm
I agree with Jeffrey Cohen on this one. Jews are dying in Israel and Lebanon. Brave soldiers and civilians are standing up to malevolent Amelek and Lavan and Islamo nazis.
And here, in pathetic New Hempstead, we have this sh*t going on. Truly pathetic, pathetic, pathetic, and a very very bad indication of just how far gone the New York “Orthodox” Jewish community has become. Really, really pathetic. What a bunch of losers with their loser “rabbis”. We should all move to downtown Monsey and get on the welfare wagon with the rest of the schnorrers. What a bunch of losers.
July 19th, 2006 at 1:46 pm
Fact Checker:
No great powers behind him. Would not surprise me if Esformes does not know about this. He is an intelligent business person who has good lawyers. Doubt they would involve him here.
A pathetic attempt by a desperate individual with no plan and no sense of reality.
No question that MT personally begged these otherwise timid individuals to sign up for his Unholy Cause. So now these Frum Cool-Aid drinkers have violated the Halacha and sued KNH in civil court as opposed to Bais Din during the 3 weeks no less.
There is simply nothing to worry about in this lawsuit…
July 19th, 2006 at 2:28 pm
>Would not surprise me if Esformes does not know about this.
There’s no way a lawyer filed this complaint without the explicit approval of all the named Plaintiffs. It would be grounds for disbarment not to do so.
I suggest you check out the Rules of Professional Resxponsibility in NY relating to the representation of multiple clients EC-5-16. A lawyer in this case must explain fully to each client the implications of common representation:
...
July 19th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
What is even more interesting is not the losers that are the plaintiffs, is who is NOT on the list. Yudi T. finally got smart! How come he didn’t drink the Kool-Aid on this one?
As for prophet reader who Says: July 19th, 2006 at 5:59 am why is he suing Rabbi Schabes? Its quite evident you don’t live in the neighborhood. Rabbi Schabes shul is called Knesses Yisroel. The suit is agains Bais Knesses New Hempstead the shul formely known as “Tender’s” Where do you live Mr PR?
July 19th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
In the main civil suit, there is a prelimenary conference scheduled for August 21, 2006 with Judge Solomon.
July 19th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
JWB may have a point. I only saw one verification and that was of Ms. Joyce Simon. And her verification was only for herself and not others. Is it possible that the other plaintiffs are unaware that they are plaintiffs in this action? Could it be they have not even read the complaint BEFORE
July 19th, 2006 at 2:40 pm
the commencement of the action
July 19th, 2006 at 2:52 pm
>Is it possible that the other plaintiffs are unaware that they are
>plaintiffs in this action?
As previously stated, that is unlikely. A lawyer filed a complaint without authority of a Plaintiff?
If you have any such a belief or information that has occured, you should serve notice on legal counsel requiring a declaration that the Complaint was authorized by each and every named Plaintiff.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
Dear Former KNH Member: Jewish Whistle Licker posted at least twice that Bais Knesses of NH was party to the suit. Go back and read his (her) postings. That is where I based my info. Obviously, Jewish Weiner Blower was wrong. This guy Tendler is a DISASTER!!!!
July 19th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
>posted at least twice that Bais Knesses of NH was party to the suit
I copied and pasted from the court docket in the new case. My information is 100%.
I assume BAIS KNESSES OF NEW HEMPSTEAD INC is just a name that KNH has used on legal documents in the past.
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
I have seen some harsh criticism of Susie Rosenbluth and her paper on this blog – most recently, and most seriously, a call by one poster for others to try to drive away her advertisers.
I don’t know much about the Tendler case and have no opinion as to whether he’s innocent or guilty as alleged. But I do know something about Susie from my experience as a source for several stories involving sex abuse allegations. I have found that, as an editor and journalist, she is highly sensitive, indeed courageous, in pursuing sex abuse issues even when this means crossing swords with prominent figures in the Orthodox community. It follows that her position re: Tendler, whatever its cause, is not about being “soft” on abuse or about kowtowing to him because of his name or family. In fact, it was Susie’s sensitivity in these matters that drew me to her as an outlet for the important Mondrowitz/Hafner story running right now in her paper, and hers is the FIRST Jewish publication to put this material in print. This speaks for itself.
Again, although I don’t claim to understand or have followed all the details in the Tendler story, I have always believed — as a writer and as an attorney who has done extensive work on behalf of abused children and their protectors — that the best thing to do in any such case is to bring about a full and fair trial of the charges. As I understand it, that is Susie’s stated goal in this case. If so, I don’t see that this deserves the threat of boycotts.
Finally, if there are inaccuracies in any of the stories, why not try correcting them with letters to the editor? Maybe you’ve already tried, but to the best of my knowledge Susie is not slow to print criticism, or to make corrections where necessary.
Once more: I don’t know that the positions taken on Tendler in her paper are correct, except to the extent that this issue deserves a full and fair hearing. It just seems to me that the approach taken by the critic calling for boycotts is unjustified, to say the least.
Just my thoughts.
Michael Lesher, Esq.
July 19th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
Kish mein Tuchas - Don’t be so melodramatic over this. Its all BS.
Tweetybird - the RoadRunner has spoken. New events to come to light shortly, as Yosemite has gotten the docs.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:14 pm
Dear Mr.Lesher, Esq.
The criticism of Susie Rosenbluth and her paper is well warranted. Her conduct on reporting on Mordecai Tendler has been absolutely reprehensible. To claim otherwise one would have to be completely ignorant of the facts of the case and have failed to read any of Susie Smear’s articles.
Yes, a call to try to drive away her advertisers is warranted.
>But I do know something about Susie from my experience as
>a source for several stories involving sex abuse allegations.
Clearly, you have not read her email exchange with an alleged childhood survivor of Rabbi Aron Tendler where she brow beats the survivor or Susie Smear’s absurd and unresearched article concerning said Rabbi. Aron at least had the sense to resign TWICE from his synagogue and once from the RCC. Susie just continues her misinformation campaign, complaining that the process is not fair. The process to these monsters has been more fair than Susie Smear has ever been to their survivors.
>I have found that, as an editor and journalist, she is highly sensitive,
>indeed courageous, in pursuing sex abuse issues even when this
>means crossing swords with prominent figures in the Orthodox community.
Dude, in 1989 she had the Baruch Lanner story. She killed it because it might have cost her advertising revenues. Her direct silence allowed more children to be victimized. She has proven that her integrity can be bought for the price of a few mere ads. She too was and is a part of the problem. That is a fact. She then attacks Rabbi Blau in her pages without once stating her known and acknowledged role in covering up the Lanner story.
>It follows that her position re: Tendler, whatever its cause, is not
>about being “soft? on abuse or about kowtowing to him because
>of his name or family. In fact, it was Susie’s sensitivity in these
>matters that drew me to her as an outlet for the important
>Mondrowitz/Hafner story running right now in her paper, and
>hers is the FIRST Jewish publication to put this material in print.
>This speaks for itself.
Dude, do basic research on Tendler and read Susie Smear’s stories. You are simply lucky that in your case, Susie Smear has taken the right side. Do not confuse that with being professional. She has certainly not demonstrated such characteristics.
>Again, although I don’t claim to understand or have followed
>all the details in the Tendler story, I have always believed —
>as a writer and as an attorney who has done extensive work
>on behalf of abused children and their protectors — that the
>best thing to do in any such case is to bring about a full and
>fair trial of the charges. As I understand it, that is Susie’s stated
>goal in this case. If so, I don’t see that this deserves the threat of boycotts.
Dude, she publishes false materials and then somehow Team Tendler gets 100s of copies and goes around the KNH area delivering copies door to door. How is that fair or professional?
>Finally, if there are inaccuracies in any of the stories, why not
>try correcting them with letters to the editor?
Dude, have you seen how she treats the people who have tried in the letter pages?
What is the point if she prefaces our letters with her analysis of why we are wrong.
>Maybe you’ve already tried, but to the best of my knowledge Susie
>is not slow to print criticism, or to make corrections where necessary.
You are simply incorrect.
>Once more: I don’t know that the positions taken on Tendler
>in her paper are correct, except to the extent that this issue
>deserves a full and fair hearing.
1) Praesidium 12 month investigation
2) RCA bais din hakavod
3) 2 bais dins in NH
4) rulings of numerous dayanim in NH
He’s had a full and fair hearing.
>It just seems to me that the approach taken by the critic calling
>for boycotts is unjustified, to say the least.
As you are clearly uninformed. Feel free to speak to Rabbi Blau, Rabbi Dratch, the RCA and KNH about how fair Susie Smear has been.
Just consider yourself lucky that Susie Smear is with and not against you, otherwise you would see how professional she truly is. She is a terrible reporter, her paper is a terrible publication and her lack of professionalism is evident to anyone with a modicum of understanding of the Tendler case. That is why she and her paper have been named in a civil suit along with Mordecai Tendler and his wife.
Just my thoughts.
JWB
July 19th, 2006 at 5:22 pm
JWB says “In the main civil suit, there is a prelimenary conference scheduled for August 21, 2006 with Judge Solomon.”
Does this mean that Rabbi Tendler filed an answer or that his appeal was rejected. Insider, do you have any info? Please post the answer and the appeal documents if you have them.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
From my archives
JWB:
He claims there is a seperation but without the identies of the editorial board, how do we know that?
I would note when the Jewish Press “editorial” board ran an editorial against a series by Stephanie Saul in Newsday on sexual abuse in the Jewish community, one of the rabbis featured in that series ran several ads for his real estate brokerage company in the same issue.
I informed Maoz and Rosenbluth of Yeedle’s background over a week ago. I gave them Israeli newsarticles and names of the reporters involved. Yet these “news” people make no inquiries? Nice.
What other “journalistic” publication is told that their publication is promoting an alleged child molester and refuses to look into the allegations?
The Jewish Voice and Opinion and The Jewish Press are in a league of their own.
Here is a response from Susie Smear.
Susan replied:
As I told “jewish whistleblower,” I do not correspond with anonymous blogs.
I also know nothing about anyone named “Yeedle Werdyger.” “jewish whistleblower” made all sorts of allegations and backed them up with a news report that did not offer any names. When I pointed that out to the anonymous blog, the blogger said something about the fact that, in Israel, authorities had forbidden the names to be released. In other words, I should just take the word of an anonymous blog. Forget about it.
“Alleged” means nothing to me. “Convicted” does.
But of course that does not apply to victims and survivors who Susie smears. She convicts them at will.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:35 pm
An Email Exchange With Jewish Voice & Opinion Editor Susie Rosenbluth About Rabbi Aron Tendler
Bella writes Suse:
I know that the truth is of no great importance to you. But the victims of Aron Tendler (which include myself) have been going to the Rabbis of the community for over 20 years to tell our story. Rabbi Shalom Tendler, Rabbi Hier and Rabbi Bess have known for years. So to suggest that your situation in NY has anything to do with us, is abserd. The family is sick…Matis, Aron, Mordechai and their (removed), are all sick. Stop blaming the victims. We don’t even know Mordechai or any of his victims. We are all former students (and congregants) who he carried on relationships with for over 14 years. He molested a 16 year old girl boarding in his home as well as planned to have sex with another 16 year old, and that is why he was removed. He should have been thrown out of the school system but Shalom protected him. You don’t care about the truth that is obvious, but we just thought you would like to know the “truth.” And for the record, we are not anonymous, The RCC and SZ know our names and spoke with each of us directly. You should get them help instead of enbling them.
I wouldn’t suggest anyone davening with Aron privately or they will probably be molested by him. He has admitted to us that he was molested as a child and that he masturbated all the time as a child. He has a huge problem. He needs help. He is running away because he is afraid to death that (wife) will hear ALL the details of how he has been cheating on her for 20 years, not to avoid what his brother is enduring. Your paper is a disgrace.
Susie responds:
Anonymous letters like yours are usually as valuable as unsigned checks. I will keep note of your email address, however. I do not know Rabbi Aron Tendler. I never met him and spoke to him only once by phone in preparation for my article. I did speak to people at YULA and I did speak to members of his congregation. For the record, Rabbi Tendler sent me to no one. I found the folks to speak to on my own.
Child abuse is not a crime that should be reported only to rabbis. Molesting a 16-year-old should be reported to the police. Why weren’t these cases reported to the police? Why was the District Attorney’s sex-crimes unit not alerted?
When I searched for any reports of abuse against Rabbi Aron Tendler (abuse is what you are describing, not the silly civil case in which Rabbi Mordechai Tendler is currently embroiled in New York Superior Court), there were no reports that the police or District Attorney’s office had.
The Jewish Journal of Los Angeles had no more luck than I had.
I am not for a moment suggesting that what you are saying did or did not occur. I am saying that a man is innocent until proven guilty, and, to date, the only accusations directed against either Rabbis Tendler, as far as I know, are anonymous, Internet nonsense. Accusations like those–like yours–are worthless.
Bella responds:
YULA covered it up. And I don’t know who you spoke to but it they were both my friends and I saw first hand what happened…there was no investigation…they wanted to keep it quiet as do all jewish communities.
But over 15 people came forward to tell what happened (all those years back) all ontheir own with the same stories. You don’t know our names but others do and to think I will tell “you” my name to prove a point is quite foolish. No one at YULA is even still there so they have no idea what happened. The JJ sat on this story for two months and once the letter was sent out they reported on it in a very weak manner…yet seemed to think YULA was responsible when I spoke to them. But no one ever takes responsibility in this community.
You obvisouly didn’t speak to his victims at SZ. I hear from congregants daily thanking us for getting rid of him, so not too su e who you communicated with other than those who are pro Aron which seems to be the basis of your whole paper. They were scared and being threatened…who was going to belive them at 16? Dr. Powell wanted him out and made that very clear but Shalom protected him. Shalom spoke to one of Aron’s victims 3 yeats ago after she tried to take her own life because of what Aron did to her…she didn’t report it then because she was living in his home and he had a tremendous hold over her until about 5 years ago. Whatever I say will go in one ear and out the other and we don’t care if you believe us. But perhaps you should get ALL the facts before you run such an article about a man who destroyed so many poeple’s lives. It is quite irresponsible of you.
Again, The RCC and The Board @ SZ as well as The OU know exactly who I am and who we all are. This isn’t about blogging, this is about a very sick man who manipulated women who came from broken homes and while trying to seduce us talked against us to anyone that would listen. It took us 20 years to get rid of him but we finally did. And we are very proud. Robert Schacht (A board member) told one of Aron’s victims one month ago that “The amount of women coming forward is astonishing and we want him out”…so not sure where you are getting your info.
They are hardly “worthless”, as The RCC fired him a year ago and he was just thrown from SZ. Look at the facts and take off your blinders. A guilty man has seen justice. And if we weren’t credible then he would still have a job.
Susie responds:
I obviously did not speak to the hundreds of members at SZ. I spoke to whomever I could. I don’t believe you because when a man has sex with a minor girl, and as many people as you say knew about it in fact were aware, the police get called somewhere along the line.
Until the police are called here, I’m afraid you don’t have my ear.
I have also spoken with several people here on the east coast who have recently (last year or two) moved here from Los Angeles, where they were, according to their own stories, very close to Rabbi Aron Tendler. To a man and woman, these folks say he is wonderful and that they do not believe your story.
If your story is true, you must prove it. A man is innocent until proven guilty. If, as you say, he was fired because of verifiable accusations, give me names and I will interview people, ask the questions all of us who have healthy skepticism must ask, and write my story. If you ask me simply to trust you–an anonymous person who says, in effect, here I am, trust me–I say: forget it.
The story you ask me to believe, as you relate it, is something out of the 19th century (maybe 18th), not the late 20th. Sorry.
Bella responds:
I never said he had “sex” with a minor, I said he molested a minor and Dr. Powell knew what he was doing with a another 17 year old and tried to get rid of Aron…so stop saying it’s me it’ s over 50 women who all went public and that’s why he’s gone. Call the RCC and ask them why they fired him one year ago and why he quietly walked away from a position held for over 20 years. Even girls at YULA say they remember he used to flirt with them.
Everyone told me contacting you was a waste, you are probably being paid by The Tendlers…and for the record a huge law suit is in the works agianst Aron and YULA for enabling that bastard for all these years. I wonder how you would feel if he molested you or your daughter. Shame on you. I know my own sexual epxeriences with him and I have taken a lie detector test and I will show up in court to testify and even then, after you see over 50 women who have been telling their story for years testify, and he is found guilty as will Rabbi Hier, even then you won’t believe us. To be honest, we are so happy he is out, what somene like you thinks (one of the sick sheep) is of no consequence to us. As a woman you should be ashamed to protect such a sick family. I wonder what hashem is going to say to you one day but that’s your problem. Shalom knew, Powell knew, and Bess new, call them yourself. And you reported erroneously about YULA…I just spoke to an insider at YULA and she said they have been telling everyone that no one at YULA now was their at YULA 20 years ago…so you and The JJ are lying, but we aren’t surprised. There is a very powerful lawyer who sued The Vatican who is taking this case…so lie and do what you have to do but we will have the last laugh.
Susan responds:
I hope, as you say, this will go to court. Because we have open courts in this country (thank G-d), the case will undoubtedly be covered by the free press. If the accusations can be proved, Rabbi Aron Tendler will be found guilty, and the consequences will be much more dire than simply walking away from a synagogue job, which, I understand, will be replaced, probably by members of the shul who want to stay with him.
If the accusations sound like yours (flirting–in whose opinion?–taken to be “molesting”), you’ll be laughed out of court.
If Rabbi Hier is found guilty, it will shake up the entire country–his power base is significant throughout the Jewish, and non-Jewish, world.
I have no doubt Hashem would agree with me and the Constitution of this great country that we call home, that a man is innocent until proven guilty. That’s what the beit din system is all about. Prove Rabbi Tendler guilty and we’ll all cheer for you. If he is found not guilty, his supporters will cheer and you can gripe that it’s O.J. Simpson redux.
I count myself in neither camp. I am a supporter of the truth. Thus far, Rabbi Aron Tendler’s opponents have been anonymous (at least as far as the public is concerned) and have contented themselves with smear jobs geared to forcing him from jobs. The people you claim know who the accusers are will not make statements of any kind for or against Rabbi Tendler, so, for all intents and purposes, for the public at large, the anonymous accusers are on their own.
Your problem seems to be that you cannot accept the innocent-until-proven-guilty concept. Instead, you insist that anyone who holds by that principle is either in the employ of the accused (I am not) or cannot understand how a victim might feel (I do indeed and for reasons I have no interest in sharing with you). I just insist that victims be treated with respect, which means having to take responsibility for bringing the accused to court and not simply satisfying themselves with anonymous innuendo.
At this time, I have no reason to believe any part of your story and neither, it would seem, has anyone else in authority. The onus is on you and this “very powerful lawyer” to prove Rabbi Tendler guilty.
Like the rest of the world, I will watch with interest.
Be aware, you’ve given me enough in this email, should I desire, to take you to court, should your identity ever become known. You’ve called me a liar and an accomplice, and have accused me of taking bribes. I will save this email.
Unlike you, who takes name-calling so easily, I do not. As I said, I have no idea whether you are telling the truth or not.
While you are concerned about what Hashem thinks of me, if I were you, I would worry much more about what He thinks of someone who contemplates having “the last laugh,” as though ruining a man is a cause for levity. Shame on who?
Bella responds:
I can’t even read the rest of your e-mail…your a sick woman. If performing oral sex on a woman and getting into bed while Esther is in the next room, with another young girl, will be laughed out of court than you live in a jewish world I want no part of. I will make sure that every paper in town sees your e-mails to me. No one is going with Aron unless they are going to Israel where all the sickos in that family go. Your not a journalist, your a tendler cult member. DO NOT CONTACT ME AGAIN.
Susan writes:
One thing you should know about me: I ALWAYS have the last word, so if anyone will end this dialogue, it will be you.
My response to your email is, as things stand now: “Says you.” If your accusations can be proven, I will cover that. As of now, all I have is your feverish prose, the word of an anonymous woman who is not only crudely accusing Rabbi Aron Tendler, she is accusing me.
I have never met Rabbi Aron Tendler–I spoke to him briefly to prepare for the article and I spoke to others in his community.
Please make certain that “every paper in town sees” my emails to you. I sign them because I am proud of them (which is more than one can say for you).
The operative phrase is: A man is innocent until proven guilty. If that qualifies to make me, in your words “a sicko” or a “Tendler cult member,” then just who is the “sick woman” in this dialogue?
By the way, I didn’t start the dialogue, you did, and I ALWAYS respond to folks who write to me at The Jewish Voice.
Jewish Whistleblower writes me:
Luke, it is a waste of time and breath to even get into a conversation or dialogue with Rosenbluth.
She is no different than any other koolaid drinker in the Catholic community that screamed and shouted down victims/survivors and their supporters with nonsense about the rights of child molesters and the piousness of Church leaders and doctrine.
The fact is that we have a Constituion that allows me to call Aron Tendler a child molester and Mordecai Tendler an exploiter of women because it is simply factually true.
The fact is halacha REQUIRES me to speak out and expose hypocrites like the Tendler brothers, see the article by Rabbi Dratch on the Jsafe website.
The fact is that Susan Rosenbluth was aware of child molester Rabbi Baruch Lanner in Teaneck, NJ. She saw the rabbonim there cover it up, she knew the allegations were credible and accurate and she remained silent for over a decade allowing more children to be molested and more lives to be destroyed.
A few months ago Susie published an article where she referred to Rav Moshe Tendler as a Halachic advisor she consulted as to publishing a story. That’s the level of objectivity she has in reporting on the Tendler family, she followed their father’s instructions in the past on what can and should be reported.
Susan’s articles have all lacked basic fact checking and review. There are so many glaring errors and simply false statements, that it would be easier to state what she got right. She claims that bloggers tried to have Aron thrown out of the RCC. Well, Susie claims to have spoken to people in the know, how did she not discover that he hasn’t been on the RCC for months? As to the failure of YULA to phone the police, isn’t that exaclty what they said in their statement to the police? They clearly covered up the abuse by failing their moral and legal obligations to contact the police. The same style cover-up was conducted in NJ with Rabbi Baruch Lanner and Susie was happy to give her silence to that cover-up as it protected her precious advertising revenues. Mainly the only thing Susie is good at is spelling the names of people in her articles correctly.
Susan Rosenbluth is simply part of the problem in our community. She is a defender of the rights of the abusers. No other newspaper I know of makes hundreds if not thousands of copies available to the family of a sexual predators they defend in their pages so that they can distribute the smears in that newspaper as part of their campaign. Yet that is exactly what has happened for several months in Monsey. Susan is not a journalist, she is paid executioner, destroying the names of decent people and protecting the true rashas.
Susie responds to me:
A critique from an anonymous blogger? I’ve always said that an unsigned letter is worth about the same as an unsigned check. Do you know who JWB is? I don’t, and, therefore, I have no interest in responding to him, her, it.
I will respond to anonymous people who write to me personally. I will not respond to anonymous publications, and especially not to those which allow all manner of disgusting posts. No one believes in freedom of speech more than I, but I also believe in decorum.
I was giving serious consideration to accepting your invitation to a phone interview addressing how I as “a Jewish journalist approach these types of matters.” But, quite frankly, your association with JWB, Canonist, Vicki Polin, et al, requires me to decline.
Jewish Whistleblower writes:
Apparently, the only thing Susie is good at is brow beating a survivor of clergy abuse in some of the most high-handed and unprofessional series of emails that I have ever seen emanating from someone who claims to be a journalist. Susie manages to utterly distort the facts. Susie is clearly just cruel and uncompassionate. To treat a person like this just brings into clear focus the absolute lack of heart my community has towards the victims/survivors of abuse.
I know fully understand how one of Aron’s survivors could try to commit suicide.
But be assured Susie, the community is changing and ancient dinosaurs like you are on the way out.
Bella, stay strong, Susie is not worth your time or energy. She is the past of a dark period in Jewish history, while you are our future. Focus your energy on the civil lawsuit. Bring midat din to this world, to the Tendlers of the world, we need it.
July 19th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
>JWB says “In the main civil suit, there is a prelimenary conference
>scheduled for August 21, 2006 with Judge Solomon.?
>
>Does this mean that Rabbi Tendler filed an answer or that his appeal
>was rejected. Insider, do you have any info? Please post the answer
>and the appeal documents if you have them.
1) Of course Tendler hasn’t filed an Answer, he’s appealed. He simly does not want his day in court … anytime soon.
2) The appeal period is not short.
3) What is likely happening is that KNH and survivor want to proceed with discoveries (now that several civil suits later KNH has wised up to the fact that delay tactics are not really in their interests).
4) Team Tendler is expected to argue that discoveries must be delayed while his appeal is pending as it will prejudice him. Basically, the tactic is to delay as long as possible.
5) KNH and/or survivor will hopefully slap down 100s of pages of filings from Ohio and California that show Tendler has demanded discoveries there. Quite an inconsisatency.
6) Those documents will also show the conduct of Team Tendler and their counsel. Very naughty. Hands aren’t so clean.
7) Likely a timetable will be set so that this farce on Team Tendler of delaying the proceedings will finally come to an end.
8) If KNH had moved more quickly to go to discoveries and court, they might not be facing the additional law suits. But smart too late. That has been my advice from day 1 and KNH has ignored it to their financial detriment. How much are the legal bills now?
July 19th, 2006 at 6:57 pm
Jewish Nut Bobber has gone haywire again!
July 20th, 2006 at 5:30 am
Michael Lesher,
Mr. Lesher you should give credit where credit is due. Therefore I will take the credit for going through 88 pages of Susie’s propaganda rag and recording and posting the names and addresses of about 100 advertisers and asking people to boycott her. If you have not been following this issue for the last year or more you are in no position to comment on it.
A little background info:
After posting about 15 articles between March 2005 and March 2006, that trash the RCA, trash at least 8 accusers, trash 7 very well respected rabbanim in Monsey that went out on limb to sign a public document that states Mordechai Tendler is a liar and cannot be trusted in any halachic matter, trashes the independent prasaedim investigation, etc. (and gives me honorable mention, that she reported me to the FBI for calling her advertisers) she writes…… WHERE DO WE STAND ON THE MORDECHAI TENDLER ISSUE? As if someone had doubt after watching Susie defend MT for over a year. She attempts to portray herself as a crusader for justice seeking only a fair trial. She is a Liar.
Lets review Susie’s record on sexual abuse and fair trials since March of 2005.
JV&O 3/2005
Susie Prints Dr Moshe Dovid’s Tendlers side of the Metzitzah bipeh Issue basically saying Rabbi Fischer is guilty for infecting three children, one of whom died.
She does not call Rabbi Fisher, his attorney, or ask anyone else for the other side of the story. What happened to Rabbi Fisher’s right to a fair trial? After all, “even rabbis have rights”. Isn’t that what Susie printed?
Subsequent emails from the pro metzitzah faction about publishing a response were met by Susie’s claim that her lawyer said she couldn’t print it as an article but she could print it as a paid ad at $450.00 a page. Bris Kodesh AGREED TO THIS!!! Susie replied: SEND ME THE AD, IF RABBI (Moshe Dovid) TENDLER APPROVES IT I CAN PRINT IT!!! Needless to say it was never printed. What happened to unbiased???
Same Issue as the above story, Susie tells the story of Girl who was allegedly molested by her father. The man had his day in court, and the judge, court, social workers, etc. found no credibility to the mother’s allegations. Using the age old tactic of quoting an eyewitness (who now happens to be dead), Susie writes: the judge is wrong, the court is wrong, the social workers are wrong and the man is guilty according to Susie. Susie proceeds to violate NJ State statutes regarding publishing the identification of a sexual assault victim for the next several months, and continuously identifies the (according to Susie) definite victim, by her full name, complete with a picture as a child, picture as an adult, name of school she currently attends. Now I personally feel sorry for this young woman who Susie claim was molested by her father based on her mothers accusations. She evens tries to dissect an email from the young woman denying the charge against her father and demands a face to face meeting with the girl as the only acceptable proof, she is who she says she is.
But Susie has no consistency. In the next sexual assault issue, spanning Silver Springs Maryland and stretching to Boynton Beach Florida, Susies sides with authorities and investigators who cleared the accused of wrongdoing and for the next several issues she proceeds to lambast those that were wary of the alleged attacker for not heeding the words of the investigating bodies that cleared them.
Amidst this background falls the case of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler. Susie, never one to be predictable, now sides against all the investigating authorities and defends Mordechai Tendler and prints only his side of the story. For example: Susies claim that he davens in house with “50 supporters”. Their names have been published on this blog and his “50 supporters”, translates into about 11 men, their wives, and children, and MT’s family members as well. Since the publishing of that list I believe some of the people on it have seen the light and stopped drinking Koolaid. I have no problem publishing under my real name stating that Susan Leigh Rosenbluth is a liar.
P.S. Susie has a very unpleasant surprise coming. You heard it here first.
July 20th, 2006 at 8:29 am
MARMELSTEIN, ADINA
v.
KEHILLAT NEW HEMPSTEAD
SUPREME COURT
NEW YORK COUNTY
Index Number: 117629/2005
Case Status: ACTIVE
Hide Motion Appearances
Date Type Part Action
8/21/2006 SUPREME - INITIAL (FIRST TIME ON) IAS PRELIM CONFERENCE PT 55 (N/A)
Judge: SOLOMON, JANE Comments: 1200 Glossary
July 20th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
That exchange between Susie and Bella was chilling. Susie is SICK SICK SICK.
Hashem yerachem.
July 20th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
There is only one way to explain this …
Modechai Tendler is doing Susie …
July 20th, 2006 at 3:11 pm
Tell us something we DON’T know!
July 20th, 2006 at 10:43 pm
With mt suing the board (again) and continuing the harassment, might they not consider it time for him to be reported to the authorities for his illegal activities with the shul’s discretionary fund unless he immediately cuts out all of his shenanigans? just wondering.
July 21st, 2006 at 3:59 am
Am I the only one that finds MTs antics absurd to the point of funny?
Not to be insensitive. Really. He’s just so predictable it’s laughable.
July 21st, 2006 at 7:59 am
I see that a few people asked me questions here since last week when I last checked this blog. I am away for the most of the summer and I don’t have access to my information sources. When I return I’ll do my best to catch up.
Regarding the latest lawsuit by Tendler’s supporters against the KNH board, it appears that the board members are being sued as private individuals, not as officers of the KNH. I think that the previous suit filed by Tender named the shul as defendant, and not the board members as private individuals. The latest suit (for $1 million?) is nothing more than an intimidation tactic, like the threatening anonymous letters that were sent to the board members. Supposedly, the plaintiffs are suing on the basis that the board members harmed the reputation of the shul. That is a joke. No one has harmed the reputation of KNH more than Tendler himself.
The Tendler followers think that they can intimidate the KNH board by suing them in civil court (which is a violation of halacha). I think that the KNH board should turn the tables on them. The board members should immediately file lawsuits in beit din against each plaintiff in the case, on the grounds that they are pursuing action in civil court instead of beit din (a violation of halacha). The beit din will issue default judgements against the Tendler supporters when they refuse to answer the summons. The judgement against them should be distributed to the rabbonim and shuls in Monsey and sent to the principals of their children’s schools and the shul that they go to during the week (although perhaps they started a weekday minyan in Tendler’s house).
July 21st, 2006 at 10:03 am
There is much planned. The (new) Three Stooges are joke to all of Klal Yisroel and to all that the Torah stands for.
With every lawsuit, harrassment, intimidation and attempts at causing dissention, we become stronger and stronger, more cohesive, and extremely focused on our goals.
Your attempts are futile you will succed at nothing.
July 21st, 2006 at 11:39 am
This is disgusting. I’ve just logged on to this blog.
Even if everything you say is true (I’m not saying it’s not)
this is an ais tzorah for Klal Yisroel.
We are in the three weeks.
We are at war and being threatened each day.
This childish and vulgar behavior should stop.
Can’t you all hold off on this nonsense until
after the war is over and the nine days pass?
Everyone is frummer than the other.
This side is right.
No, this side is right.
Meanwhile, this public display of sinah has to stop.
Can I get you to agree to hold your vitriol until
things calm down in Eretz Yisroel?
Both sides are bringing trouble on Klal Yisrael.
July 21st, 2006 at 12:07 pm
“Can I get you to agree to hold your vitriol until
things calm down in Eretz Yisroel?”
Apparently this poster lacks the understanding that what is happening in Eretz Yisrael is inextricably linked to what is happening in Chutz Laaretz, whether it is the Tendler Affair, the Kolko Affair, the Colmer Affair, the Gafni Disgrace - you can pick one. But until rank and file frum yidden redefine the role rabbonus plays incontemporary society, don’t pray for help on one front and ignore the tragedies on the other.
There is nothing to stop. If rockets are falling on klal yisroel today, it is precisely because we refused to speak up when these tragedies were being perpetrated. That, sir, is the real chillul Hashem.
July 21st, 2006 at 12:34 pm
I heard that one of the Tendler minions who filed the lawsuit is the employee of one of the KNH board members. Is this true?
July 21st, 2006 at 8:12 pm
If you think the language you’ve displayed on this board is
helping the situation for Klal Yisroel, than indeed YOU are
in need of a refuah.
I don’t ask you to stop what you are doing. Just focus
on ahavas yisroel for the next two weeks.
After that, you can go back to whatever hatred you
have for the man.
July 22nd, 2006 at 3:01 pm
Chilul: You have it all wrong-the people on this blog don’t hate Tendler. They just love themselves.
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:54 am
prophet reader: You a regular here.
We (speaking for the board) do not hate anyone just trying to salvage and restore KNH.
Shatz: Your right on target.
Chilul: Which is worse foul language or standing by while people are abused and major halachic D’Orishas are violated?
KNH has always championed Ahavas Yisrael. Little did we know exactly what type of Ahava MT was referring to. The obligation to stiop this person has everything to do with Ahavas Israel. Not one board member hates him. Only angry at his continued harrassments and non-compliance with any halachic standards.
And the board has previous agreed to withhold any non-critical actions until after Tisha b’Av.
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:16 pm
“And the board has previous agreed to withhold any non-critical actions until after Tisha b’Av.”
Good for them.
Let them catch up after Tisha B’Av
July 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pm
If I had to describe the latest lawsuit against KNH and its indiviudal members, especially in these trying times where Israel is under attack, I would describe it as an attack by Amalekites; from the rear, without expectation and without cause.
The plaintiffs’ hope to restore a rabbi to his former position with accusations of lurid sexual misconduct against him and evidentiary determinations of his guilt by well respected rabbis and rabbinic organizations, as well as the undeniable pay off of a woman to keep her mouth shut, and a lawsuit by one claiming an affair with him and which includes the synagogue as a defendant; all this, combined with a claim for huge sums of money damages to put in their pockets and to get it from upstanding MEMBERS of Kehillat New Hempstead, and men honored in the community at large as healers and for their generosity, is, in my opinion, akin to an attempt at spiritual murder.
That is as much as I will say on the matter, other than I expect a vigorous defense and great consideration to be given for filing counterclaims against the plaintiffs for bringing such a meritless lawsuit, which, I believe, in my opinion, has been done with malice.
And for those of the bloggers keeping us informed of Tendler’s SLAP lawsuits in Ohio and California, would they be kind enough to let us know what happens with the defendants’ request for legal fees against Tendler. If the defendants do obtain such judgments, I would like know about it. People should know that out of state judgments can be converted to New York judgments and docketed against the debtor’s real property, and that proceedings can be commenced to attempt to collect on such judgments.
Lastly, I agree that most of our attention be directed towards our brethren in the Holy Land. Rabbi Kohl gave a most moving drasha on the need for prayer citing a medrash that of the thousands that went out to war against Midian, there was one group of a 1,000 held in reserve strictly to pray. Without being called up to actively serve, it is incumbent on Diaspora Jews to do more in the way of prayer and learning in the merit of those who fight and live in the Land.
Unfortunately, such is not my strength. So, I would encourage all of us to sacrifice in some way. If we eat out for lunch, bag it and send the difference to a charity in Israel. If we are considering a major expenditure, perhaps we can tone it down and likewise send money. If we have money to invest, perhaps we can buy Israeli bonds. I have proposed to an organization in which I am involved to set up an Israeli central emergency fund where members of the organization can have automatic deductions from their credit cards or bank accounts of let us say between $50 - $100/month deposited into it. The organization would choose esteemed leaders of it and then would wire those funds to particular charities, e.g. Magom David Adom, Friends of the IDF, and One Family Fund. I know there are others. I encourage all Jewish organizations to consider this. There is no doubt in my mind that if we band together, we can raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for dispatch over the course of one year. And hopefully, ease some of the pain that this latest war has wrought.
July 23rd, 2006 at 2:45 pm
Jeff-
I liked your ideas regarding supporting Israel. Have you implemented anything similar regarding supporting Tendler’s victims? I know that many of them took strong financial hits because of his corruption.
July 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pm
Honestly, I haven’t a clue about the financial difficulties suffered by any of the alleged Tendler victims. And, unless there is an intervening rabbi or woman to act as a liasion to maintain at the least their confidentiality, I wouldn’t know where to begin concerning fund raising. If there is such a problem, I recommend they go to the Jewish Family Service of the Rockland JCC. They just got a new director and his background indicates sensitivity to this and other matters involving abuse.
July 23rd, 2006 at 8:22 pm
Here is a guy (Tendler) that told us for years that one should never ever go to secular courts …
He has his henchmen send us a lawsuit in the “three weeks” returnable on “Tisha Bav.”
This bastard is never getting out of hell!
And his stupid followers Drs Leibling are now going to subject their child to force him to read the Holy Torah in a house of Tumah!
What is this world coming to?
For those who say that the Leiblings are nice …. I got news for you ….
She was screaming like a banchy at one of the victims … asking her how she can do that to our “beloved” Rav! (The victim had testified at the RCA)
They are not nice … They are sick …
Nobody should attend this farce of a Bar_Mitzvah!
Let Shari S. and her family attend!
July 23rd, 2006 at 10:07 pm
To KNH member1—-The Leiblings ARE nice, you little twerp. They are BT’s who are brain washed, don’t worry, soon they will wake up and smell the coffee, and we will be there to pick up the pieces. I feel sorry for them.
July 24th, 2006 at 2:37 am
Simon Zarour, it seems is a former Fair Lawn, NJ resident. (Susie’s Territory) It seems he was living there in September 2005 when he applied for a variance. It actually seems he was living in two places about a quarter of a mile apart at the same time, because according to the September 19, 2005 minutes of the Fairlawn zoning board,he was granted zoning variances for two properties. The minutes state “Simon Zarour, residing at….” for both properties: 30-27 Heywood Ave and 30-13 High Street. Neither one has a current listed phone number or resident. Interesting enough, 411.com shows a listing for L. Zarour (Lori) living on McNamara Road, confirmed in September 2005, (with a different phone number than the one currently listed.) at the same time her husband was residing in two different places at once in Fair Lawn. Of course, if they’re friends of MT, these irregularities surprise no-one. They were also listed as major contributors to NJOP in 2002. Maybe someone on the board should call them and ask them for a donation to the building fund? (:-P
July 24th, 2006 at 2:52 am
Here’s the Fair Lawn zoning link that didn’t show up in the last post.. Pages 6 and 10.
July 24th, 2006 at 4:15 am
Susie’s latest rag is up on the web and of course A NEW SEX SCANDAL!! This time she’s trying to convince us that a chareidi rabbi is guilty of child molestation. The problem is the DA dropped the case, so based on her previous history Susie says:
A) The Rabbi is guilty like she says of the father in the previous child molestation case, disagreeing with the investigating authorities;
B) The Rabbi is innocent like she says in the Silver Springs- Boynton Beach case agreeing with the investigating authorities;
C) The Rabbi is guilty like she says in the Rabbi Fisher - Rabbi Tendler sr case
Despite the lack of evidence;
D) The Rabbi is innocent like she says in the Mordechai Tendler case despite the availibility of evidence;
E) None of the above;
F) All the above wich includes “E)” which is none of the above;
G) Other
The answer is “G”. Susie tells us the Chareidi Rabbi is guilty and it is the fault of other chareidi Rabbis that leaned on the family, leaned on the DA’s office, leaned on the grand jury, etc. Now one could ask “How can you say that he’s guilty?” He was never tried in a court and the Bais Din that heard the accusation acquitted him. Doesn’t he have rights?” (Remember, “even rabbis have rights too!” ) Well, this is different, this is a chareidi Rabbi and it seems that Susie thinks that Chareidi Rabbi’s have no rights. Just as rabbi Fisher had no right to be heard, just his accuser, here also the rabbi has no rights. But Susie can’t get her story straight. You see, she blames the chareidi rabbis for turning a blind eye to abuse, and that’s the reason people get away with it. Of course when seven chareidi rabbis wrote a signed letter stating that Mordechai Tendler is a Liar and should not be consulted on any halachic matter, and another chareidi rabbi wrote a lengthy tshuva supporting the RCA’s decision to boot him, the rabbis then became part of a satmer plot to get back at Tendler sr. through Tendler jr because of the former’s involvement in the attack on metzitzah b’peh. So there you have it. If you’re a chareidi rabbi and don’t take stand on abuse, you’re an enabler, if you do take a stand you’re part of a conspiracy. My personal opinion is there’s been a rash of really bad weed being circulated at Farleigh Dickenson University and Susies been smokin it!
July 24th, 2006 at 5:31 am
Suzie is doing Tendler …. thats why she backs him despite the evidence
July 24th, 2006 at 6:38 am
Sorry KNHMenber1, Susie does not fit the profile. She is not a whacko luntic known for public outbursts, conspicuous shiur attendance, or looks that could peel paint off the wall, or asking numerous fanatical shailos including, “If there is a bug I can’t see in the lettuce on shabbos and I eat it do I have to vomit,” or, “If I have to go to the bathroom during shmone etrai, should I take three steps back?”
July 24th, 2006 at 7:37 am
that’s shmone ESRAI, shabbat shalom y’all!
July 24th, 2006 at 8:48 am
Kish Mich-
I know 4 of the Tendler victims. They aren’t whackos and are quite attractive. They are also not known for asking crazy sheilas. Even if everything that you said was true, it wouldn’t excuse Tendler’s horrific abuse of power.
I suggest an apology and a retraction. Your attempts at character assasination of the victims may be a great tactic to let YOU off the hook in your continued enabling of Tendler’s abuses (and your own) but it is lame and transparent.
July 24th, 2006 at 8:58 am
Another something that you can do for the anti-Tendler effort.
A woman named Nofia Altman is trying to sell advertising in the Jewish Press. She can be contacted at:
...
I urge all of you to contact her and let her know what you think of her rag!
July 24th, 2006 at 9:03 am
Per Susie Smear July 2006: “Supporters of Rabbi Tendler reacted to the Ha’aretz
piece with outrage and demanded a correction, which the reporter, Daphna Berman,
indicated may be forthcoming.”
Weeks later and as of today? see: ...
NO correction whatsoever.
Will Susie Smear issue a clarification or correction to her clearly false speculative journalism? The answer of course is no.
Perhaps its time for someone to start a new blog called dishonest reporting: Susie Smear Exposed with numerous examples of her “reporting”.
July 24th, 2006 at 10:25 am
Prophet reader, you are a moron and a fool. Your obvious inability to understand the difference between rhetoric and serious commentary renders you a nuisance to this blog. And when you say that you know 4 of the victims, I presume that means in the biblical sense, were I to apply your inane comprehension skills. In any event, my apology is below:
I apologize to anyone who has no choice but associate with the poster who goes by the name prophet reader. Those of you that must do so outside of this blog deserve better.
July 24th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
Kish (my tuchus):
That was funny!
(In the third grade kind of way.)
Thanks for making my day!
July 24th, 2006 at 2:39 pm
Its comical that children like prophet reader write on this blog. Probably an unemployed, single, loser, who really has plently of time on his hand.
What your parents didn’t give you any attention?
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!
July 24th, 2006 at 4:19 pm
kish aka sad.
Do you know what projection means?
July 24th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
Sorry dope, I am not the poster using the “SAD” alias. Once again you’ve demonstrated how utterly inept you are. If I want to say something to you, I will come at you and say it. Apparently I’m not the only one whose sorry you have a computer.
July 24th, 2006 at 9:24 pm
We just heard from very reliable sources that R’ Moshe Tendler’s contract with YU, will not be renewed!
July 24th, 2006 at 10:56 pm
Jeffrey,
I’m seriously considering volunteering for Sar-El, Volunteers For Israel, to work on an IDF base for three weeks in August. Sar-El volunteers fill logistical and support positions, freeing up soldiers for more critical operations. The only problem is that airfare and expenses will run about $1400 and I only have $700 saved. Perhaps one of your proposed organizations can start of fund to subsidize volunteers. If anyone would like to help out, I’d be happy to be your shaliach.
Ronnie Schreiber
Oak Park, MI
July 24th, 2006 at 11:52 pm
I was a little slow, but the light bulb has finally lit up. When I saw the name Michael Lesher I thought it sounded familiar, but it was not until I looked at Susie’s latest attempt at journalism that I realized where I had seen the name. Granted Mr. Lesher made no attempt to conceal his co-operation with Susie Smear and stated such in his post. Mr. Lesher Esq. was a co-author of a book highlighted by Susie Smear and is possibly also guilty of violating NJS and other statutes regarding publishing of the identity of a sexual assault victim.
Just to give readers a reference point, let us assume that this case were presented to Shlomo Hamelech (King Solomon.) A woman claims to want to be reunited with her child, whom the courts seperated from her with the remarkable step of terminating parental contact for the last 15-20 years. The mother claims to want whats best for the child and writes a book and goes to every sympathetic ear that will listen, and time and time again claims that her daughter was forced into a long term incestuous relationship with her father. She proceeds to plaster her daughter’s full legal name, pictures of her as a child & adult, and the name of the school she currently attends, all over the web in violation of numerous laws prohibiting publicizing the name of a sexual assault victim. Without even addressing the tremendous amount of embarassment, and mental anguish suffered by this young lady due to her mother’s indiscression, we ask King Solomon: Is this the real mother of the child? If so, is she normal? What do you think King Solomon would answer? I assure you, it is the opposite of what Susie would say.
July 25th, 2006 at 12:38 am
Is Moshe Tendler’s contract not being renewed because of his age? or politics?
July 26th, 2006 at 3:58 am
I just saw Moishe Tendler at his grand daughter’s wedding in Jerusalem. He looks like a walking cadaver. Sifra has aged 20 years in a year’s time. The disgrace brought on by their sons has simply broken them.
Leave them in peace, irrespective of your antagonism to their sons.
The Godfather is no more. He is a broken, bitter old 80 year old man.
In shul most of us can barely look Moishe and Sifra in the eye anymore. Their shame and pain is apparent, and it is suffocatingly awkward for all.
July 26th, 2006 at 8:39 am
Dovid Shatz:
Regardless of Lesher’s affiliation with Susie Queer, please refrain from bashing him in any way. He’s one of the good guys. He represents a former victim of the filthy animal Mondrowitz, may his name be obliterated, and is trying to have the rasha extradited from Israel.
May Michael Lesher succeed in this holy endeavor.
July 26th, 2006 at 9:46 am
Mr. Lesher has done good work researching several cases but clearly from his outrageous comments on the Tendler cases he has not even bothered to educate himself before he comments on the case and rubs salt in everyone’s wounds.
It’s also unfortunate that he would defend lowlife and yellow journalist Susie Smear or choose to associate his name and reputation with her lack of same.
From Jewish Voice and Opinion:
1>Attorney and investigative reporter Michael Lesher is not ready
2>to call the issue of Orthodox Jews being accused of sex offenses
3>“an epidemic,? and others who have examined this issue recognize
4>that there might also be a ground-swell of Orthodox Jews who are
5>being falsely accused, especially via anonymous blogs on the Internet.
6>Nevertheless, Mr. Lesher, a member of the Passaic Orthodox community
7>who has been examining this issue since the late 1990s, does say
8>there is reason to begin raising “disturbing questions, if the community
9>wants to deal as fairly as possible with a genuine problem.?
It does not appear to me that Mr. Lesher has any expertise commenting on any of lines 2-5 (assuming he did, with Susie Smear you never know).
It appears that while Mr. Lesher may have some expertise in the area of family law, he is not an expert in the area of civil suits related to clergy abuse.
Survivors would be well advised to contact Jeffrey Herman for proper representation.
Attorney - Jeffrey Herman
Herman & Mermelstein, P.A.
1-800-686-9921
305-931-2200
July 26th, 2006 at 2:35 pm
Dr. Yaakov (Mengele) Tendler did something very nasty to a family from KNH!
Details will be coming very soon …
We are first contacting those who investigate Doctors!
July 26th, 2006 at 5:37 pm
I write this enraged by the incivility going on regarding the lawsuit brought by purported members of KNH in a derivative style type of action.
This action brought at this time when concerns are least focused on domestic matters, but instead on happenings in the Holy Land is, in my opinion, an expression of unmitigated and untempered ego of the plaintiffs, and of Tendler, himself.
Without dwelling on the matter of money damages to the shul or to any of the individual plaintiffs, the end aim of this suit is restoration of Tendler as rabbi or spiritual leader (refrain from laughing, please) of Kehillat New Hempstead. If this rumination weren’t so macabre, it might even be comical, something right out of Monty Python or Saturday Nite Live. But, instead of dwelling solely on the Nine Days and the horrors being visited on our brethren, and praying, and raising money to send overseas, the members of the Board of Directors and Board of Trustees, all good people, all unaccused of sexually exploiting women for their own bizarre carnal desires, now have to turn their attention to this.
This lawsuit is indecent. It reflects, in my opinion, the belief is that everything regarding KNH is and has always been about Tendler–the synagogue, the membership, the Boards, the finances, the tzedaka fund–it is his, and his only, and damn the opposition, damn the myriad of accusations of improper conduct, and damn even human sensibilities.
If Tendler is restored, KNH dies. It is as simple as that. To paraphrase TS Eliot, that is how the synagogue ends, not with a bang, but with a whimper.
July 26th, 2006 at 6:04 pm
Mondrowitz/Hafner ????
How can anyone compare the two?
Mondrowitz:
1.multiple kids (28?) ,
2. avoided prosecution,
3. continues to avoid prosecution,
4. never faced any beit din,
5. never had anyone’s support
Hafner:
1 accuser, this accuser had previously accused a previous tutor/Rebbe,
2. Beit Din including R’ David Feinstein not only cleared him but gave him a Bracha,
3. had widespread community support,
4. extensively interrogated by police and DA’s office ,
5. DA took an unusual step of calling a press conference (on Purim) to completely exonorate Hafner,
6. continues to be a respected community member
July 27th, 2006 at 6:19 am
CSM Old Timer Says:
July 26th, 2006 at 3:58 am ….
I just saw Moishe Tendler at his grand daughter’s wedding in Jerusalem. He looks like a walking cadaver. Sifra has aged 20 years in a year’s time. The disgrace brought on by their sons has simply broken them.
Leave them in peace, irrespective of your antagonism to their sons.
The Godfather is no more. He is a broken, bitter old 80 year old man.
He was a bitter old man 25 years ago. Happy frum yidden don’t do this.
Scroll down to the red to save time
My sole regret in this entire matter is the agmas nefesh of Rebbetzin Tendler Sr. She is a very very nice lady, and has done a tremendous amount of chesed in this community. I feel badly that she had to suffer through this. She deserved better.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:25 am
CSM:
>The Godfather is no more. He is a broken, bitter old 80 year old man.
July 27th, 2006 at 8:29 am
This is iniquitous! Only the beginning of my posts appear after submission. Very frustrating!
July 28th, 2006 at 4:00 pm
Looks like things are slowly breaking down for the Chicago Bears fan and the Team. One by one they drop, like toy soldiers.
Isn’t it amazing that fellow Jews sign a lawsuit in civil court the day after the Fast of Tammuz during the 3 weeks. Or better yet insists that the case be returnable in court on TISHA B’AV.
Who knows what surprises lie right around the corner.
Medical ethics, Bar Assoc, IRS. There so much out there.
We shall see my friends.
July 28th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
Have you seen Rabbi Dratch’s article “What to with an Abusive Rabbi: Halachic Considerations” at ....
A rabbi’s charge is not only to teach the wisdom of Judaism or to adjudicate
matters of Torah law; he is to model, through his behavior, its spiritual and moral lessons. Thus, the Talmud describes R. Yehudah’s dilemma whether or not to excommunicate a rabbi “whose reputation was objectionable.? “To excommunicate him [we cannot], as the rabbis have need of him [as a capable teacher]; not to excommunicate him [we cannot] as the name of Heaven is being profaned.? Rabbah bar Hanna instructed him to excommunicate this rabbi. Citing the verse “For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge and they should seek Torah at his mouth; for he is an angel of the Lord of Hosts? he explains: “If the rabbi is like an angel of the Lord of Hosts, they should seek the Torah from him; but if [he is] not [like an angel], they should not seek the Torah from him.?13
R. Yohanan asserts that a rabbi must be more than just an expert in Jewish law
and practice. He must be, first and foremost, a moral exemplar. After all, the study of
Torah is much more than an intellectual exercise and a rabbi is much more than a
professor of Talmud or of legal codes. While one does not necessarily expect moral
greatness from a professor of chemistry or literature, one absolutely requires it of a
religious teacher. How can a rabbi preach about repentance or ethics, if he himself is unrepentant or unethical? How can he exhort others to be empathetic and charitable, if he himself is cruel or selfish? How can he represent a kind, compassionate and loving God if he is abusive? How can he bring others to a love of God, when his actions undermine his values and teachings and serve to frustrate and alienate those who seek his guidance? This moral standard is a sine qua non. Even if the rabbi’s intellectual ability, pedagogic skills or leadership are required by the community, the rabbi is, nevertheless, unfit to serve.14
…
Can a rabbi’s semikhah (ordination) be revoked? Contemporary rabbinic
ordination is known as “heter hora’ah? (license to adjudicate) by which they are
empowered to decide matters of Jewish law.23 At times this authorization is limited
either to specific areas of Jewish law24 or to limited periods of time.25 However, even if granted this license, an unqualified person is ipso facto not a rabbi, even if ordained.
Rambam rules,
One who is not fit to [serve as a] judge [either] because he does not know
[the law] or because he is not [personally] suitable, who was
[nevertheless] granted license [to adjudicate matters of Jewish law] by the
exilarch or who was erroneously appointed by the Bet Din, his
authorization is invalid until he [becomes] qualified, [similar to one] one
who sanctifies a defective animal [as a sacrifice to be brought on] the altar,
which does not become sanctified.26
Rabbi Yehudah Aszod, (Hungary, 1794-1866), author of Teshuvot Yehudah
Ya’aleh, instructed a disciple of his to revoke the ordination that the latter had granted
someone who violated the trust of the rabbinate and, furthermore, to publicize the fact
that he was doing so.27 The Code of Jewish Law goes a step further and records that a
scholar, who is rumored to be involved in heresy or immoral behavior, such that he
causes a desecration of God’s Name, is to be excommunicated.28 Such a person
certainly is no longer considered a rabbi.
July 30th, 2006 at 2:09 am
It’s really funny that R’ Dratch quotes R’ Yehuda Assad. R’Yehuda Assad would have revoked Dratch’s smicha in second as well.
July 30th, 2006 at 6:10 am
Dovid.
For what reason would R Yehuda Assad revoked R. Dratch’s smicha? On what basis do you say that?
July 30th, 2006 at 9:44 am
David Shatz: Most of our current titled Rabbis woould never have received Simcha in the first place. Most rabbis are really equivalent to a elementary school teachers.
July 30th, 2006 at 9:25 pm
Read my new post about Yaakov Tendler and weep before Tisha Baov!
...
July 30th, 2006 at 9:39 pm
NHN,
In your blind hatred of anyone and anything Tendler, you were so quick to post your latest diatribe that you got the names wrong and apparently meant to say Yaakov Tendler rather than Yaakov Twersky.
No matter, we comprehend –you hate anyone Tendler.
So Yaakov Tendler does not want to treat anyone actively fighting his brother. Seems like a natural familial reaction, and probably inteliigent from a potential malpractice perspective as well.
July 31st, 2006 at 1:53 am
prophet reader Says:
July 30th, 2006 at 6:10 am
Dovid.
For what reason would R Yehuda Assad revoked R. Dratch’s smicha? On what basis do you say that?
Rabbi Yehuda Assad ZT”L was old time kana’ee, from the school of the Chasam Sofer. It was these students such as R’ yehuda Assad and the Maharam Shick TZ”L that intiating the “Uptaelung” of European Jewery. The Orthodox did not budge one iota on any religious issue and cut ties with the neologue and status quo congregations. Among the orthodox everyone looked like a Jew, dressed like a Jew, and acted like a Jew. If someone were to cut his beard and payos, and put on a short jacket “modern” European style jacket, and go to college to learn goyisha philosophy, he was no longer counted amongst the orthodox. R’ Yehuda Assad Z”L would never give such a person smichah.
July 31st, 2006 at 5:38 am
thanks for the clarification Dovid.
July 31st, 2006 at 7:40 am
To Tendler Truths AKA Yaakov (Mengele) Tendler
You write:
“So Yaakov Tendler does not want to treat anyone actively fighting his brother. Seems like a natural familial reaction, and probably inteliigent from a potential malpractice perspective as well. ”
The issue is not whether the nasty dog “Yaakov” should treat Mrs. Twerski, the issue is that Yaakov (Mengele) Tendler wrote a discusting letter to her, trying to convice her to disassociate herself from her own son, and then enclosed a fraudulant letter that Harav Twersky supposedly wrote!
NHN does not hate the Tendlers
What we hate is that the Tendlers are not allowing our Holy community of New Hempstead to go on with their lives after having been kicked out of an organization (RCA) that he himself was a member of (after a 15 month internal investigation), after two Batei Dinim that were hand picked by Tendler wrote that he is a bono-fide liar and should never ever again be a Rabbi, after having a psak din from Rabbonim in his own neighborhood that he did in fact do what he is accused of, after stalling and stalling court cases while at the same time screaming that he wants his day in court , refusing to go to any Bais Din (the only bais Din he wants to go to is the Rabbanut, 6,000 miles away) .. but instead going to civil court ….
Having a few pathetic creatures sue the legitamate Board of KNH
Hey Tendler Truths crawl back to your rock and leave us alone!
July 31st, 2006 at 9:15 am
NH News
I don’t think you are doing anyone a favor by calling Dr. T. “Mengele.”
It’s a sick comparison, and totally undermines your credibility.
July 31st, 2006 at 9:52 am
I happen to agree with Prophet Reader, NHN. You say that you don’t hate the Tendler’s but that comparison belies some deeper issues.
I have become very uncomfortable with this blog these past few weeks. Both pro-Tendler and anti-Tendler people continue to demonstrate through what one would at least presume is filtered rhetoric the deeply rooted animonisty present in the community. This is sinaas chinam and one wonders why anyone in New Hempstead is going to bother fasting this Tisha Bav.
NHN, it was on your web page that many people associated with Tendler were bashed and denounced. That is the kind of behavior that destroyed the second bayis, as you know, and not gilui arayos.
July 31st, 2006 at 2:06 pm
NHN
Certainly no one can accuse me of defending the Tendlers in prior comments, but you are equally guilty of hatred and demagoguery. Your comments about Yaakov Tendler are inappropriate, and the manner of hatred and reference to Mengele simply makes you one more diseased New Hempstead person full of hatred who violates all halacha to meet their particular ends.
A plague on all of you.
July 31st, 2006 at 6:18 pm
To Kish Mich:
The Psak din that everyone in Monsey saw … is that this creature Tendler did things against our Holy Torah and that his actions should be made public as per the ruling of the Chafetz Chayim in his sefer Shmiras Haloshan where the CC clearly rules that in a case like this, one must make all his sins public.
Therefore this is not why the second Bais Hamikdash was burned down
The second Bais Hamikdash was burned down because there were people like Yaakov (Mengele) Tendler and people that helped them who took Tzaddikim like the Twerskys and spead lies about them!
My mother A”H saw Dr. Mengele …. Dr. Mengele wore a white coat just like Dr. Yaakov Tendler … Dr. Mengele YM”S didn’t become a murderer right away, he first became a liar and spread false info on the Jews!
We must stop this Rasha now before he destroys our community!
Tendler Truths aka Yaakov Tendler
Dont preach to me whats appropriate …..
Is writing to a sick elderly woman a letter to “disassociate” from her son who he calls “Allan” appropriate?
Is it appropriate for a Doctor to forge Harav Yitzchok’s signature and cut and paste it on a forged letter?
Dont Preach to me about violating Halacha
When a Rabbi abuses his position and beds no less than three Woman not his wife,
is that not violating Halacha?
When a Rabbi asks a minor girl to lift her skirt so he can see the bruises on her thigh,
is that not violating Halacha?
When a Rabbi asks a woman to bathe her, is that following Halacha?
We cant wait till this comes to court so we can have the opportunity to depose him!
July 31st, 2006 at 6:40 pm
To Kish Mich:
You are right that the second Bais Hamikdash was not distroyed because of Gilu Aroyois ..
However, most important, the First Bais Hamikdash that Shlomo Hamelech built and where all ten miracles that the Mishna states happened, and where the Holy Ark was,
was destroyed because of Gilu Aroyois!
July 31st, 2006 at 6:42 pm
I agree with NHN, we are not going to win this war with the Tendlers or Hizballah, being nice.
July 31st, 2006 at 7:30 pm
NHN, you are making a critical mistake. You should slow down and think about what you are writing before you respond. Many here can tell from all of your posts, except for the last few, what a quality person you are - complex, very dedicated, and very forthright. So don’t get me wrong when I say that justifying your own actions and comments by comparing them to others is not only childish, it is wrong.
When we lein on Yom Kippur the Torah’s description of forbidden relations, does the Torah describe the sin or the sinner as an abomination?
Sinaas chinam doesn’t mean unjustified hatred - if that were true there would be no sinaas chinam, because everyone has some justification for their feelings. Sinaas chinam is a failure to udnerstand that there is a greater scheme than we can understand. Without getting into specifics - it means that a person’s suffering is deserved based on the Ribbono Shel Olam’s cheshbon.
You are the first to agree that the Torah is the best guide. So when you write, shouldn’t you be condemining the man’s acts and not the man?
Using the Mengele comparison is abhorrent. I guess that any doctor that wears a white coat deserves the comparison? You yourself don’t really believe that, and applying it to Yaakov Tendler is precisely the type of sinaas chinam that we should be trying to avoid.
Do you really blame a brother for defending his sibling? I certainly don’t. And neither did Yaakov Avinu’s son’s even when faced with murderous acts.
Quite frankly, how do you distinguish between one aveirah and another? Sleeping with a woman when you are married is wrong, and so is calling another Jew Mengele. When did you become G-d and decide which sin is worse?
“”"When a Rabbi asks a woman to bathe her, is that following Halacha?”"”
No. But does his failure to follow halacha justify your acts?
What is really sad is that you use Tendler’s actions to justify your own. Aren’t you supposed to represent what is better than him?
The bottom line, what you know, and what I know, is that there are no winners here. So stop gloating - its unbecoming.
Holy Shrink - What’s your point? We all know gilui arayos is wrong. The obvious parallel is that sinaas chinam is just as bad!
July 31st, 2006 at 7:57 pm
I love the way this is going … just like the CNN and BBC reporting
First NHN reports that Yaakov Tendler committed fraud and did something unbecoming a Doctor …
So what do the bloggers do?
They ignore what Yaakov did …and concentrate on how NHN reported it!
As long as the Tendlers are going to get away with denigrating great righteous people such as the Twerskys, Laskys, and Resniks …
We here in New Hempstead will pay a dear dear price!
I think that NHN did and is doing a great service …. exposing people who think they have the power to manipulate the truth!
NHN stood up to these sickos albiet anonymously, and should get credit for standing up to this former and once powerfull family …
I know the author of NHN, he has nothing with the Tendlers, never had anything to do with them, yet had the courage and tenacity to continue the fight L’shem Shmayim!
Yes, maybe he went a little far by calling Yaakov a “Mengele,” but people like Dr. Yaakov tendler that are allowed to twist and actually falsify the truth, should never be tolerated ….. and to compare what NHN wrote … to what the Tendlers did to our community …. destroying KNH and lying and perverting the Bais Din and Court system is unfair …
NHN did not destroy anything at all, all he does is bring you the truth … listen to him!
July 31st, 2006 at 8:02 pm
At this point in time, especially considering the derivative suit, the breach of contract suit, the SLAPP suits, the Bais Dins, it is not about Tendler getting justice; it is, in my opinion, about money for him.
Is it realistic to believe especially in the coming months when Ms. Marmelstein will be disclosing the contents of her case, when Tendler will be deposed, when possibly third party subpoenaes and subpoenaes duces tecums will be issued to women who have allegedly had offensive contact with him, when other matters of a nonsexual matter, but quite chilling, may come to light, that Tendler and his family will be able to maintain the facade of total innocense.
I am not a betting person, but if I had to, then my bet would be “no.” I have to believe that all of this is a squeeze play for bucks. It is inconceivable to me that Tendler could be restored as the spiritual leader of Kehillat New Hempstead.
But, in the oft chance that it could happen, then instead of pounding our chests and citing homilies from the Torah, we have to do something so unexpected, so out of the box, that the attention that it would draw would raise the stakes and gainsay attention that no amount of money that Tendler or his supporters could expend in lawsuits could quell.
What is it. DEMONSTRATE. PICKET. I was reamed for wearing a sign that displayed published articles of Tendler in the newspapers, the Marmelstein complaint, the Wosner psak, and other items relating his alleged sexually inappropriate conduct. To say the least, it was an attention getter.
Those who mean not to have Tendler restored to KNH, those who wish to support the members of the beleaguerd Boards of Directors and Trustees, should get together and draft signs and placards and exercise our first amendment right of free speech and assembly.
We should rally in front of KNH, call the media and state our case. If Tendler is restored to KNH, we should protest and march to convey our displeasure with him and our support of those challenging him and his family.
And we should exercise our constitutional right to boycott those who support him and his family. This is America. There is no room for the type of conduct of which Tendler is being accused. And there is no room for being bullied.
Maybe now is not the time given the current crisis in Israel. But, before Rosh Hashanah, we should have a rally supporting the people who were courageous enough to terminate Tendler’s services. We should show our support for those alleging his misconduct and give them a forum to talk openly to us and to the media and tell their stories. I suggest right before Rosh Hashana is an appropriate time to do so. Call the press, set up a stage, publicize it throughout Rockland with ads and flyers and have a rally.
There are those who will say this is inappropriate. Perhaps. But, there is strength in numbers and we must convey that strength not just in a court room or before a Bais Din, but in public for the whole world to see. Peaceful nonviolent demonstrations and rallies can work.
July 31st, 2006 at 10:33 pm
Jeff: There is simply nothing to fear from the TeamT or their lawyers. They have nothing to gain and more to lose.
NHN: They now have to resort to attacking an elderly mother with a heart condition. Wow how brave. Just following his Hyporcritic Oath taken by all Tendler family members.
Whille I would refrain from nazis comparisons, his actions could have caused her to have a heaer attack from stress. This family has proven to be much less intelligent than previously thought by many. Stay focused on the issues till MT is legally finished.
August 1st, 2006 at 3:47 am
First all, NHN, you have certainly erred. Tendler Truths is no supporter of team Tendler. There might have been a misunderstanding but TTruths has been with the Anti’s all along.
Jefferey,
You are certainly correct. It is all about money. MT and Co. seek to pressure the board in order to bilk KNH for whatever they can. After the settlement is made MT will turn around and plead “consentual” in the AM case, hoping it will be dismissed while he walks with a sack of money. First order of business is to file a motion to postpone all the Rockland County suits until the AM case is settled one way or another. Hopefully the Judge will understand that they are inter-related and a victory for AM against MT, or his plea of “consenting adult(erer)s”, would really make the Rockland suits moot. It would also save KNH a lot of legal fees. In no case should KNH proceed with the new lawsuits until the AM matter is settled.
August 1st, 2006 at 8:53 am
The Twersky family and any other interested parties should file an ethics complaint against Yaacov Tendler. More information here ...
August 1st, 2006 at 9:45 am
>First order of business is to file a motion to postpone all the
>Rockland County suits
Actually no.
As I’ve indicated many, many times before, KNH’s conduct in the first lawsuit has only dragged this out longer and led to numerous additional lawsuits, which of course has exponentially increased court costs. All which could have been avoided by pushing forward with the 1st civil suit instead of delaying, by taking responsibility, instead of claiming KNH has no obligation to its congregants or those who walk through its doors.
The best thing everyone can do is pursue each and every court action and try to move them forward and prevent any Team Tendler delays of any sort. Team Tendler likes to file lawsuits but the last thing they seem to want to do is actually go to court. Why do think that is? They know what will come out. This whole process has been about abusing the process to silence and intimidate their enemies. The longer this goes the more likely KNH runs out of money and members and Team Tendler can declare victory.
Further, the compassion expressed here for for Team Tendler koolaid drinkers is misplaced. The people that you should have compassion for are the women who made the mistke of turning to rasha Tendler for help.
The koolaid drinkers are not good people, at least not currently. They are the enablers and supporters of a modern day Shabtai Tzvi. As such they must, like the followers of Shabtai Tzvi, be ostracized, publicly shamed and removed from klal yisroel until the day they do teshuvah and can return.
If people had any sense they would be convening community wide bais dins to put these crazies in cherem. Filing counterclaims and new lawsuits against every one of their koolaid inspired outrages. But no, your compassion towards them only encourages their outrageous behavior and why not? There have been no conseqences to them of any sort, only to you and yours.
Continue playing THEIR game by THEIR rules. See where it gets you.
August 1st, 2006 at 11:26 am
Tendler is the cause of all the ills of the Jewish Nation, including Lebanon and Hizballah.
In fact Mel Gibson was only talking about Tendler the other day.
August 1st, 2006 at 12:25 pm
What is the name of Yaakov Tendler’s wife ….
there is new info about HER ….
August 1st, 2006 at 12:40 pm
Her name is Yael.
August 1st, 2006 at 2:38 pm
Write to the officers of the Community Synagogue in Monsey to ask them if they think it is appropriate for their Rosh Kollel Yaacov Tendler to give ultamatums to old women to disassociate from their sons or else stop receiving medical care.
August 1st, 2006 at 7:09 pm
Jeff Cohen, there are some of us that would be proud to demonstrate along with you erev Rosh Hashanah or any other time you say. Let us know the date, we’ll be there.
I agree with JWB - Just as the followers of Korach were publicly punished and excommunicated. and the followers of Shabbati Zvi (very similar to Tendler) were also treated as such, the Tendler supporters need to be shunned and harassed until they remove their support for this rasha. It is not sinas chinum, it is righteous indignation. Pinchas publicly killed Zimri for being a disgusting pervert. Does anyone condemn him for causing the ultimate destruction of the Bayit Shayni. After all, doesn’t killing him indicate “sinas chinum.” This is very similar to the world condemning Israel, and ignoring the actions of the terrorists.
August 1st, 2006 at 8:11 pm
Dr. Yaakov Tendler is going off the deep end …..
This morning he sent his wife, Yael, to Shoprite in Suffern to harrass innocent women.
Yael told at least one woman that we know about that her husband is talking “Loshon Horah” about her husband Yaakov. Yael then told this woman that this woman’s family’s name will forever be dirt and then threatened her that something may happen to this woman’s family C”V . The woman is reporting this to the Police!
The MO of all the Tendlers is to curse everybody!
This woman didn’t know what the hell Yael was talking about and then asked Yael: Isn’t Yael herself listening to Loshon Harah if she in fact heard that this woman’s husband is talking about Yaakov?
The harrassed woman then told Yael that Yael should listen to her own advice!
Instead of admonishing her Doctor husband to stop harrassing old sick ladies with nasty letters, Yael Tendler goes and curses innocent woman in the supermarket, two days before Tisha Baov!
Instead of sitting home and saying Tehillim for our soldiers in Israel, this “bag lady” Yael, goes out to supermarkets preying on innocent young ladies to spew her hate!
Yael, we have your number, we are not afraid of you or your family!
Have an easy fast!
August 1st, 2006 at 9:38 pm
To Shoprite Mgr:
Dont worry about the curses of the Tendler family
All the curses they wish on us, will be soon be heaped upon them!
Amen! Ve’Amein!
The Tendlers have no say or influence on anybody!
August 1st, 2006 at 11:42 pm
Holy Shrink: Correction. No say on healthy and normal people (Yiddin). He still has a Minion of Morons who cannot think for themselves.
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:22 am
foolish fecal matter Says:
August 1st, 2006 at 9:45 am
>First order of business is to file a motion to postpone all the
>Rockland County suits
Actually no.
As I’ve indicated many, many times before, KNH’s conduct in the first lawsuit has only dragged this out longer and led to numerous additional lawsuits, which of course has exponentially increased court costs.
If you were interested in listening instead of shooting your mouth off, you would notice there is little difference in my POV and yours. I said postpone Rockland county suits till first case is settled.
You said: “No, handle first case first case first”
I said if AM wins first case or MT pleads consentual, the second two suits are moot, saving the KNH legal fees and court costs.
You said: “KNH’s conduct in the first lawsuit has only dragged this out longer and led to numerous additional lawsuits, which of course has exponentially increased court costs. ”
The only difference between us is, I want to see KNH save money and be rid of MT.
You want to save KNH lawyers fees, by paying the money to AM as a settlement, thus admitting guilt and opening KNH to perhaps a dozen more additional law suits, thus saving KNH nothing. tying the shul up in court for years and preventing the growth of the congregation, and preventing them for getting over MT, because they’ll be dealing with him and his lawyers for years to come.
KNH and it’s lawyers have no responsibility to AM. Do not tell them they have to do teshuva. They represent the interests of their Kehills as as they are legally and halachically required to do. Undermining the Kehilla’s financial well being to make a voluntary payout to AM, is no more irresponsible or reprehensible than making a such a payment to MT.
BTW Is anything special planned for Tendler senior’s 80th birthday coming later this month?
August 2nd, 2006 at 5:35 am
>If you were interested in listening instead of shooting your mouth
>off, you would notice there is little difference in my POV and yours.
Actually, there is a huge difference.
> I said postpone Rockland county suits till first case is settled.
I say pursue ALL lawsuits vigorously.
>You said: “No, handle first case first case first?
No, I didn’t.
>I said if () wins first case or MT pleads consentual, the second two
>suits are moot, saving the KNH legal fees and court costs.
1) The suits are not necessarily moot.
2) If KNH had pursued the 1st civil suit vigorously instead of delaying, they would have saved legal costs. Too late. Keep delaying and there will be more lawsuits.
>You said: “KNH’s conduct in the first lawsuit has only dragged this
>out longer and led to numerous additional lawsuits, which of course
>has exponentially increased court costs. ?
100%
>The only difference between us is, I want to see KNH save
>money and be rid of MT.
If so, pursue ALL lawsuits vigourously. Force rasha Tendler and Team Tendler to come to court. See how fast he and his crumble. There is a good reason they are not pushing to get into court.
>You want to save KNH lawyers fees, by paying the money
>to () as a settlement, thus admitting guilt and opening KNH
>to perhaps a dozen more additional law suits,
100% wrong, the limitations period has expired on all other potential lawsuits by survivors of rasha Tendler against KNH. Only Team Tendler koolaid followers still can sue KNH and they may have just started their lawsuits against KNH.
>thus saving KNH nothing.
100% wrong.
>tying the shul up in court for years and preventing the growth
>of the congregation, and preventing them for getting over MT,
>because they’ll be dealing with him and his lawyers for years to come.
Until the Team Tendler lawsuits are over, KNH will not grow or find a new Rabbi. Keep delaying and see what new lawsuits emerge and how legal fees and public controversy financially strangle KNH. That is the goal of Team Tendler, if they cannot have KNH back, they will destroy it. That would be considered a victory for them.
>KNH and it’s lawyers have no responsibility to ().
100% wrong. They should have suspended him or taken steps based on the Praesidium findings and the RCA expulsion. YU did. KNH did not. That is why KNH is responsible and will be found responsible in court.
>Do not tell them they have to do teshuva.
They have to do teshuva.
>They represent the interests of their Kehills as as they are
>legally and halachically required to do.
They have not done so well. See YU example above.
>Undermining the Kehilla’s financial well being to make
>a voluntary payout to (), is no more irresponsible or
>reprehensible than making a such a payment to MT.
100% wrong. If they had pursued the 1st civil lawsuit as I had recommended here, rasha Tendler would be in court and testifying now. This would be coming to an end instead of just beginning. There would not be the additional lawsuits.
How much has KNH spent on legal fees already? What have they accomplished? Higher legal fees, more lawsuits and they have only encouraged the koolaid followers, supporters and enablers. Keep on this path and see where it leads you. (hint: to disaster)
August 2nd, 2006 at 8:19 am
I also heard that Yael Tendler harassed and threatened a young woman in Shop Rite (Suffern NY) yesterday.
Well Yael; Congrats. WELCOME TO HELL!!!!!!
You have just earned a seat next to your nasty husband and pervert brother-in-law in hell for speaking Loshon Hora and commiting a few other Averos along with it.
August 2nd, 2006 at 10:08 am
Hary G. - They start to tumble one by one. So what will it be, HG, your moral fabric is beginning to unwind and difficult decisions lie ahead. Ekul or no ekul. Rabbi G. has spoken and its quite clear. Bad mistake.
Still rooting for the Chicago Bears ? Do you really think the Team cares about their fans. Time to switch your choice of teams. Looks like their heading for a losing season, probably the worst in a long time. It doesn’t look like they’ll be making the playoffs this year. September is right around the corner and the home team will have home field advantage. They will not be playing in our stadium at any time soon. Bet on it.
August 2nd, 2006 at 12:20 pm
Looked around for Yael “bag lady” today at my store, couldn’t find her!
This coward, Yael lies in wait like a wounded cat waiting for some innocent young lady to assult with her barrage of nasty remarks from her filthy mouth!
Dont worry Monsey shoppers, this will never happen again, I assure you
August 3rd, 2006 at 11:47 am
Prelimenary Conference Rescheduled in rasha Tendler civil suit I
>In the main civil suit, there is a prelimenary conference
>scheduled for August 21, 2006 with Judge Solomon.
It has noe been rescheduled to September 11, 2006.
August 4th, 2006 at 9:24 am
I spoke a few days ago to a friend of Mordechai’s sister and brother in law in Israel and the Tendler family. She says the Tendler sisters are very embarrased of their brothers’ Mordechai and Aron, they know they have serious problems and didn’t stand up for them in public. The brothers in Monsey, Baltimore, and Lawrence are gung ho for defending RMT, especially the 2 lawyers, who are using all their contacts from IDT and Baltimore to craft RMT’s legal strategy. They are burning mad about the humiliation theire family has experienced and want revenge. They are especially mad about the way their mother has suffered and they blame the blboggers and the unwashed masses in Monsey and the arrogant rabbis in the RCA for what happened instead of Mordechai. Aron is keeping a low profile, because he knows he has a problem and doesnt have the delusions of invincibility that Mordechai has. Mordechai was an awkward kid who finally found his confidence by being a shamas/bodyguard/secretary/self-appointed mouthpiece/heir to the throne of Rav Moshe Feinstein. The brothers could think he is troubled but they also think he was railroaded unfairly and their own reputations are at stake.
August 4th, 2006 at 11:00 am
Well Jeremiah, you can tell your friend to tell the Tendler sisters that unless they themselves publicly denounce MT, they can blame themselves as well. To be aware of this information and not do something to stop it, is in essence aiding it.
At this point, they should just be happy that their name Tendler is no longer.
Upset at the bloggers and “arrogent Rabbis”???? Are you freaking kidding me??
Are they calling scores of rabbis who denounced MT arrogent? Let me tell you something.. Blogging is the best thing that ever happened to the jewish community. It has hopefully saved future women and children that might fall pray to preditors such as Mordechai Tendler and other sick, sick people.
Any person, including any Tendlers, that were aware that he had problems, said nothing over the years, and let him be in a position where he can take advantage over women, WILL HAVE TO ANSWER TO G-D…..
August 4th, 2006 at 11:18 am
Not one of the opponents to Mordecai Tendler ever wanted or intended to hurt the mother. Everybody knows that she is a nice lady, and that she never meant anyone any harm. We are very sorry for all the pain that she has suffered. But ultimately those to blame for her suffering are her sons. Allowing Mordecai to have continued on as rabbi, thereby allowing him to repeatedly abuse vulnerable women - in order to protect his mother or his children would have been downright evil! Would we expect Israel to allow its’ soldiers to be kidnapped and be attacked by rockets killing Jewish civilians, and not mount any response for fear of hurting innocent people? No, of course not.
The message has to be sent back to Mordecai and Aron’s families - instead of seeking revenge and attempting to restore the family reputation, do what’s really best for your family - Get Mordecai and Aron into treatment! Show the world that your family is truly a great family by admitting the guilt within, seeking out refuah for those in your family with serious mental illnesses, getting politically involved in reforming laws that punish sexual predators, and helping out the victims and their families that your family members have abused.
It’s not too late.
August 4th, 2006 at 11:24 am
Has anyone ever posted the psak of the New Hempstead rabbis like Ciner and Schabbes that was issued? It has been mentioned a lot but hasn’t been circulated. I once asked a shaila of one of the above and was very disappointed in the entire experience. It was a deeply personal issue that was made more complicated for me by the advice and hadracha I was given.
August 4th, 2006 at 12:05 pm
I saw that psak a few months ago. That psak was written by Rabbi Wosner. Rabbi Ciner and Rabbi Schabes are among the many rabbis that co-signed the psak. The end of the psak says that the psak is intended for the KNH members only and that it is not supposed to be distributed to others or published on the Internet. I guess that this is the reason that it has never been posted here.
The psak is very interesting. It says that the rabbonim conclude that Rabbi Tendler is guilty based on verified DNA evidence, interviews with the victims and interviews with other witnesses. The psak demands that the KNH shul fire Rabbi Tendler immediately, and that having him remain is like allowing an idol to remain in the Bayis Hamikdosh.
August 4th, 2006 at 3:15 pm
I thought there was a separate psak that the New hempstead rabbis issued separately from Rabbi Wosner.
August 4th, 2006 at 4:28 pm
I have no sympathy for the Tendlers, of whatever age and relationship to Mordecai. Many good and decent people have been sued in their individual names by Tendler and crew potentially exposing them to financial ruin. Has any of them expressed any rachmonis for them? The answer is obvious. The Tendlers don’t give shucks about anyone; it’s like, in my opinion, that rogue Narallah. Nasrallah can’t be seen in public because he might be killed. But if he truly gave a damn about his vicious and misguided minyons, he would say that the cause is greater than him, and he would risk martyrdom. In my opinion, it is the same here. Tendler won’t come out from behind the woodwork. He’ll send his wife, his brothers, and his stupid followers out to defend him; but for him to stand up and face and address the accusations in a public forum like a courtroom or a Bais Din (remember the RCA has followed the edict of the Moe, Larry and Curly BD of Jerusalem and agreed to submit to the person they said should preside over the local Bais Din), he simply won’t do it. The fact is that in the mind of the Tendlers, they are bigger than regular Jews, just like Nasrallah is bigger than his followers.
I know that people will blanch at this comparison, but, ego is ego and, quite frankly, my hair now stands up on end every time I meet a frummer than frum Yid. They seem so cock sure of themselves. To me, the more they think they know God, the smaller God gets. I like the idea I read in a book by Viktor Frankl that the more comprehensive God is, the more incomprehensible He is.
Just my opinion and view of things in the Tendler universe. Shabbat Shalom
August 4th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
To Bridle is not far enough
There is no separate psak … and there is absolutely no need for a searate psak!
There is a psak by Harav Wosner, as “nh is nice” pointed out, which was reviewed by the many Rabbonim that actually signed it, among those Rabbanim were Harav Schabbos and Harav Cinner.
In other words, Harav Schabbos and Harav Cinner both agree that MT did everything he is accused of after having seen and heard the evidence!
So to sum this up …
We had a RCA (15 Month) investigation, which concluded that MT is a pervert!
We had two Batei Dinim, Harav Yisroel Hager’s Bais Din and Harav Zimmerman’s Bais Din, that concluded that MT is a pervert! They recently added a letter stating that MT is a Liar! (these two Batei Dinim were actually formed by Tendler himself)
YU threw MT the Hell out!
His Board of Directors resigned, the New Board of Directors fired him
There is a civil lawsuit against him, claiming that he used his rabbinate for sex!
Who needs or wants a Rabbi like this ….
after all this the Leiblings are going to make a Bar Mitzvah in Tendler’s house of Znus!
August 4th, 2006 at 4:34 pm
Yael Tendler…
You forgot your prozac in the store, come and get before you go crazy again!
August 6th, 2006 at 2:10 pm
LATEST NEWS:
The following is very reliable information which will be made public very soon.
A lady has approached my neighbor, who is a well known posek with the following Shaaleh!
Can she go the the Boards and report Dr. Yaakov Tendler, since she has been touched inappropiately !
She told the Rabbi that she had kept this for a secret for many months, but in a group therapy session, three other women spoke about the exact same experience.
The Rabbi asked to see the other women and will then issue a psak.
August 6th, 2006 at 7:46 pm
This blog has deteriorated into the Salem Witch Hunt, and that presumes MT’s guilt.
The entire younger generation here is simply a disgrace.
August 6th, 2006 at 8:22 pm
To Tendler Truths:
You write: “that presumes MT’s guilt. ”
Which planet are you living on? We “persume” MT’s guilt?
MT has been proven guilty by no less than 1050 Rabbonim, you idiot
And everyone and his uncle in Monsey clearly heard MT seducing a married woman not his wife on a tape!
August 6th, 2006 at 10:10 pm
The last two posts from “Tendler Truths” are Yaakov Tendler himself!
There is another “Tendler Truths” who actually exposed MT for the liar that he is!
August 6th, 2006 at 11:25 pm
Spring Valley:
If the rabbi this misguided woman asked is of the ilk of most rabbis (e.g. out for money and scared of the Tendlers and scared of sticking out their necks for anything important)-he will probably hush it up.
I have NO FAITH in this “posek”, whoever he is. Rabbis are clueless when it comes to dealing with these types of things.
So Yaakov Tendler will keep molesting, and stupid women will keep going to him because they are trained to be “good girls,” and because he looks so “frum” how could he do anything wrong. I bet the woman is still saying to herself, “did I imagine this? Did I do something to provoke him?”
August 7th, 2006 at 12:42 pm
In response:
Spring Valley Man Says:
August 6th, 2006 at 2:10 pm
LATEST NEWS:
The following is very reliable information which will be made public very soon.
A lady has approached my neighbor, who is a well known posek with the following Shaaleh!
Can she go the the Boards and report Dr. Yaakov Tendler, since she has been touched inappropiately !
She told the Rabbi that she had kept this for a secret for many months, but in a group therapy session, three other women spoke about the exact same experience.
The Rabbi asked to see the other women and will then issue a psak.
To Spring Valley Man:
If the situation you describe is true and this woman was in counseling and shared the same experience with other women in a group session, I do not know why the therapist is not reporting this to the proper authorties for investigation.
A rabbi is not the proper one to consult in such matters unless the rabbi has had proper training in identifying sexual abuse. If the group’s therapist will not or does not (as the case may be, in which instance, the therapist may well be called to task), then I suggest that this woman and the others of similar experience contact the Jewish Family Service and/or the local police or District Attorney’s office.
I am not too much versed in criminal law, but it seems to me that if a physician touches someone in an inappropriate manner without anything to do with proper diagonosis or treatment, then that touching is not consensual and represents a battery (or assault as you may define it), and there are potential criminal and civil implications for such untoward conduct.
I would caution anyone not to go overboard with such accusations. Trained professionals have knowledge and experience that should be able to sort out these things.
August 7th, 2006 at 10:23 pm
UOJ, hero blogger whose true identity remains secret despite many false claims, has now taken on the Torah Institute of Baltimore with a statement on his blog from the daughter of the principal of TI, Rabbi Eliezer Eisgrau.
The connection to this thread, is that the president of TI is of course Tendler brother, Hillel Tendler. Hillel sent meaningless legal “warnings” to Canonist’s server-hosting company in March (see SIW’s posts on this and Hillel’s letters/emails in thread 572). Free speech being some terrible threat apparently.
But we bloggers will be silent no more.
How can anyone continue to deny the problems which exist in Baltimore. Are the latest recent revelations and child sex charges concerning Shmuel Juravel not enough to open people’s eyes?
Shmuel Juravel is the son of Rabbi Moshe Juravel. Rabbi Juravel is employeed as a teacher at the Torah Institute of Baltimore.
Shmuel is yet another product of Baltimore’s unaccountable and unrepentant Orthodox institutions and community.
Let’s reproduce some claims Juravel made to the FBI and that were reproduced in court documents as to what young Orthodox bochurs in Baltimore are up to.
Shmuel Juravel was indicted on March 29, 2006, on the offenses of using a computer to persuade, induce and entice a minor to engage in prostitution or other sexual activity, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2422(b) (Count One); traveling in interstate commerce for the purpose of attempting to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2423(b) & (e) (Count Two); and, knowingly possessing material containing images of child pornography, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2252A(a)(5)(B) (Count Three).
Excerpt from Shmuel’s court documents:
>He was in Alabama to meet Bobby.
>The name on the email headings
>was Bobby Hill, but he thought
>his true name was Bobby Adams.
>Bobby was introducing Juravel to
>two boys, ages 11, 12, or 13.
>Juravel said it was not sex, “it
>was an exploration.? His plan
>was for the boys to masturbate
>while he watched. One of
>the boys was supposed to have
>brown hair with hazel eyes and
>95 pounds. The other had brown
>hair and brown eyes.
>When asked about the “j/o and
>porn? mentioned in the emails,
>Juravel advised “j/o? meant
>jacking off.
…
>Juravel said he had two computers at his residence,
>one located in the den and the other in the master bedroom. His
>internet service provider was Comcast with a screen name of
>szjj@comcast. He advised there were some gay porn movies in
>his home, but no movies of children. He claimed he is not gay,
>but has been curious for about a year. He had a male massage in
>Atlanta once which “came with release,? although he had to
>perform the release himself. When asked “why young boys,?
>Juravel responded “I don’t know.? He had some sexual
>experiences when he was 12 - 13 years old with some male
>friends of the same age which consisted of mutual
>masturbation or “masturbation both ways.?
>Juravel advised he had never met Bobby, and said “we had
>an arrangement.? Bobby made Juravel cut the bills, three $100
>bills, in half and mail them. He gave Bobby the other half at the
>time of the meeting. Juravel advised he brought a suitcase
>containing adult porn videos, magazines, and condoms. He
>stopped on the way and bought the condoms because he
>thought Bobby would ask if he had them.
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IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF ALABAMA SOUTHERN DIVISION
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
v.
SAMUEL ZEV JURAVEL,
a/k/a “Shmuel Zev Juravel?
MAGISTRATE JUDGE’S REPORT AND RECOMMENDATION
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August 7th, 2006 at 11:40 pm
Jeff-
the therapist is not a mandated reporter because the women involved were adults.
August 8th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
The comments regarding Yakov Tendler are insane. Anyone writing about him and accusing him of improper conduct is merely providing the Tendlers with a real libel case. If there was anyone writing on this blog with a brain they would understand that making comments about RMTs brother, sister in law, etc… just weakens the primary case of RMT himself. New Hempstead truly is the armpit of Monsey. Every one living within its borders participating in this debacle is drek shebidrek. How come the accusations against Yakov were never made until now?
Leave it to a bunch of idiots to mess up the case against RMT by destroying all credibility going after an innocent sibling doing what any decent sibling would do. Anyone living in New hempstead should realize that you got what you deserve because it happened, so by definition it is Hashem’s will.
Bring on all the comments and accusations, etc… I could care less.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
To Anonymous -
What you say about the case against RMT being destroyed on this blog is ridiculous. The court system does not give a hoot about anything stated on the blogs, for or against Tendler. Blogs or no blogs there is plenty of proof against M.T. Having said that, however, remember that you should think twice before calling Y.T. an innocent sibling. There are already two brothers from the same family as well as the first cousin twins that are all known to be sexually ill. Therefore accusations against another sibling should be taken somewhat seriously.
Why no one has come forward until now? Are you serious? First of all, victims who keep things inside for years come forward when others who may be braver come forward first. And most victims don’t come forward, at least not for many decades - consider the male survivor of childhood sexual abuse by Kolko - which has recently hit the news.
August 8th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
On Iraq, I feel they should put Saddam Hussain back in power and let him clean
up the mess the USA created.
On Tendler I feel they should put him back as Rabbi to clean up the mess this Blog has created.
August 8th, 2006 at 8:12 pm
Any woman abused sexually by Yaakov Tendler should contact the New York Post, they are very interested in the story. They were snooping around today in Spring Valley!
August 8th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
I think that Yaakov Tendler should be one that should be worried about libel suits, at least two anonymous letters sent to specific KNH people have been attributed to him.
August 9th, 2006 at 12:21 am
Anonymous IS yaakov Tendler. Note the last sentence in his post.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:33 am
I think all of the stuff on the Tendlers will eventually make it into print as a tell all book or a movie. Wasn’t it Akiva Goldoman who wrote the script for the Davinci Code. Well, this may not be as sexy, but it sure ain’t 100% fiction, either. Question, which actors and actresses would play the lead roles? Nominations, please.
August 9th, 2006 at 8:39 am
I nominate Steven Hill to play MDT PhD, Glen Close would do fine as Shifra.
Rosie ODonell as Michelle. How about Vincent Shiavelli as MT?
August 9th, 2006 at 9:03 am
Yaakov Tendler tries to impose his will with acting like a bully. No wonder his kids arent frum.
August 9th, 2006 at 9:51 am
This is the best this blog has to offer in response? How predictable to presume I am Yaakov Tendler posting this. With the combined brain power on this blog DNA evidence, audio tapes, even video tapes won’t be enough to prove RMTs guilt, because this is the sorriest sack of morons ever congregated for any purpose. I love all these gas station attendants by day - psychologists by night like “Outraged” who conveniently applies generalizations about abuse victims to any act remotely attributed to a Tendler. Maybe, yes, I’m sure of it, Jeffrey get started on this right away since you have no clients, let’s prove Mohammed Atta is a Tendler relative, and then let’s make sure that it’s a tendler and not Sirhan Sirhan who is jailed for RFKs death, and if you can get all the other geniuses like Minsky, Pomerantz, et al on it, I’m sure we can also pin Hurricane Katrina on the Tendlers also. Why stop at some little sex abuse scandal, come on people.
August 9th, 2006 at 10:43 am
I wouldnt underestimate the power of the bloggers, as Mordechai or Aron might tell you.
August 9th, 2006 at 10:51 am
I nominate Christopher Walken to play Tendler. He’s the right combo of creepy and demonic.
August 9th, 2006 at 11:57 am
To anonymouse: you forgot to mention the alleged payoff to keep a woman from talking. We all should just follow the money–where it came from, who handled it, and where it ended up.
August 9th, 2006 at 2:21 pm
To AnonyMOUSE 9:51
We bloggers are not the ones who pinned the DNA on MT, it was a lab!
We also didn’t pin the Tapes on MT, it was Mordy himself who is clearly talking on them!
We bloggers are also not the ones who pinned all the women on him, he did it all by himself.
Now it seems that Yaakov Tendler may have also have some of these problems.
All this is not the bloggers fault, the bloggers only report the perversions of the Tendler Family!
And by the way, AnonyMOUSE 9:51
It is not far fetched at this point to say that “Mohammed Atta is a Tendler relative,” certainly both Mordy and Mohammed dont care how many victims they leave!
August 9th, 2006 at 4:58 pm
Holy Stink, RMTs DNA has nothing to do with Yaakov Tendler, nor do Adina’s tapes, or Goldy’s payoff, or anything else relating to the whole story. Your problem like many others here is that you have all started to stink as bad as RMT and no one can tell you all apart. You New Hempsteaders deserve each other.
August 9th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
To anonymouse 9:51
You write: “I’m sure we can also pin Hurricane Katrina on the Tendlers”
We would have loved to do this but we can’t
Mordy (the pervert) Tendler already said in one of his boring sickening Drashas
that Katrina came about because of people that are “besmirching” him!
Get a load of this sicko, he wants us to believe that G-D brought Katrina because of a couple of Tzaddikim that want to eradicate the evilness of the Tendlers!
August 9th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
To Jeremiah (the bullfrog)– You made a comment about Dr. Tendler’s kids not being frum because he is a “bully”. Many Gedolim, such as Rav Yisroel Salanter, had children that went off the derech. Just go into the Purple Pear, Ave R Cafe, and Wok N take out and you will see all the kids who are off the derech. It is not always the parents fault, if you are a parent I don’t wish this on you, better start praying (or croaking) now because you sound very naive.
As far as Dr. Tendler, I knew him well when he was in Israel in Natanya and he was a highly respected Doctor and Teacher in the nursing school and then the head of Laniado Hospital. I watched him literally save people’s lives, and I went to him for shabbosim as well. His children were young then, but he was the best father and husband, a real mentch who only wanted good for everyone. I know all of you are going to tell me what a jerk he is, but this has been my experience with him, and I consider myself a good judge of character. So save your breath, or your post. And just because a few tendlers are ill doesn’t mean they all are.
August 9th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
to Resident
I know u said “save your breath”
However, everybody said the same thing about Mordechai!
Wait till Yaakov squeezes your behind
August 9th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Wanna have some fun
Come to the Rockland Court in New City tomorrow morning at 9:00 A.M.
and watch the gangsters that sued KNH Board members get fried!
August 9th, 2006 at 8:15 pm
Dr. Tendler had plenty of opportunities to squeeze my behind, he was my teacher and I worked in the hosital with him plus I used to spend shabbos with him. I had other people that tried to squeeze my behind, he was not one of them!!!
August 9th, 2006 at 9:19 pm
By the way, folks, Rosh Hashana is in about six weeks. It’s time to be careful about how we speak or write. Believe me I am no tzadaikes, but with the situation in Israel and a person who used to daven at KNH sick nebach, if we are careful maybe the yeshuah will come.
August 9th, 2006 at 9:38 pm
Holy Shrink, can you give us some more details of what is going to happen tomorrow in New City?
August 10th, 2006 at 9:32 am
What, no posts linking a Tendler to today’s plot? Come on Jeff, et al, what’s wrong, you can’t figure out how to tie Shifra Tendler into all this? You’re slipping.
And by the way Jeff if all you could come up with after all that schooling is AnonymOuse than it figures why you suck at everything. Instead of wearing a NYPost around your neck try the classifieds. Maybe Shop rite manager will give you a job mopping the toilets.
August 10th, 2006 at 12:23 pm
Shoprite manager already hired Tendler to mop the toilets, he especially “enjoys” the ladies room, beware women of all ages! Maybe shop rite manager wants to be our new Rov in New Hempstead, we could all get good discounts on our groceries!!!
August 10th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
Come on guys. Raise the level a bit will you?
August 10th, 2006 at 4:16 pm
Susie Smear’s latest Tendler comedy. Oh, where is that Haaretz retraction Susie said MIGHT be coming? I guess it’s MIA, just like her Tendler defeated by Bloggers and drops court action article.
From the Letters page in the August 2006 issue:
Rabbi Tendler’s Shiur in Jerusalem
Did Go Off without a Hitch
In your July issue, you commented on an article, published in the left-wing, anti-Orthodox Israeli newspaper, Ha’aretz. The Ha’aretz article was pure libelous fiction, and The Jewish Voice confirmed the “witch-hunt? against Rabbi Mordecai Tendler
[“Despite His Enemies’ Best Efforts, Rabbi Tendler’s Shiur in Jerusalem Went Off without a Hitch,? July 2006]. The Ha’aretz article said to Rabbi Tendler, “You can run
but can’t hide.? Rabbi Tendler did not go to Israel to run or to hide, but to attend his niece’s wedding, his sister’s daughter, granddaughter of Rabbi Moshe Tendler.
When Rabbi Tendler’s students in Israel heard he was coming for the wedding, they asked if he would give a shiur. Rabbi Tendler tentatively agreed if it would not conflict with the Sheva Brachot. The shiur was tentatively scheduled for Thursday night in Har Nof. When Rabbi Tendler arrived in Israel on Tuesday, he davened at Rav Nochum Eisenstein’s Shul in Ma’alot Dafna. Rav Eisenstein, who is the Rav of Ma’alot Dafna and the chief posek in the area, is also head of the Bais Din for Geirus (conversions). Rav Eisenstein asked Rabbi Tendler if he would speak
in his shul on Shabbat. Rabbi Tendler declined, saying that he would be spending Shabbat in Efrat at the Sheva Brachot. Rav Eisenstein then asked Rabbi Tendler if he could move his shiur to Ma’alot Dafna since he (Rav Eisenstein) would personally
like to attend the shiur with several others and their schedules are tight. Rav Eisenstein assured Rabbi Tendler that it is very common to change locations of shiurim, so Tuesday night it was decided that the shiur would take place at the largest shul in Ma’alot Dafna, Rav Eisenstein’s Shul.
Wednesday night, Rabbi Tendler attended his niece’s wedding and on Thursday night Rabbi Tendler delivered his shiur to a packed house in Ma’alot Dafna. Many illustrious b’nei yeshiva attended from various yeshivot in Jerusalem, including Mir, Chevron, and Hakotel. The topic was “Priorities in Giving Tzedaka,? and there was lively audience participation.
These are the facts:
Rabbi Tendler came to Israel solely for his niece’s wedding and not for a speaking presentation. Rabbi Tendler’s shiur was never cancelled. Rabbi Tendler’s shiur took place in the most prestigious and largest shul in Ma’alot Dafna to a packed audience of talmidei chachamim and illustrious b’nei Torah. The shiur elicited rave reviews by all the attendees. Rabbi Tendler was shown great respect and honor.
For the record, all these facts are verifiable with Rav Eisenstein. The “hunters? cannot deny reality. Facts are facts and their claims are libelous fiction.
Mrs. C.R. Cohen
Spring Valley, NY
August 10th, 2006 at 8:50 pm
Does Rav Eisenstein know that Mordechai fornicated with no less than four women that we know of?
Does Rav Eisenstein know that Mordechai asked a minor girl to lift her skirt so he can examine her bruises?
Does Rav Eisenstein know and with who Mordechai was with on the morning of his daughters wedding?
Does Rav Eisenstein know that Mordechai the Sicko keeps his tefillin on when he “sleeps” with his victims?”
Does Rav Eisenstein know that Mordechai had Mrs. DH beaten up?
Susie …. Tell us What Rav Eisenstein knows
Because I can tell you what he doesn’t know
August 10th, 2006 at 8:57 pm
Sorry, Mordy but we won’t be able to daven in KNH this Rosh Hashanah,
we will have to be cooped up in your living room.
And Mordy, why did insist on having a good time with the ladies in shul?
I at least have the decency to “cop a feel” in my office!
August 10th, 2006 at 11:52 pm
JWB: What is your point? The entire MT defense is composed of lies which are difficult to verify. She needs to change her rag to Su$$ie Smear’s Voice and Opinion to more accurately reflect the contents of the publication. Think we should get a class action suit together and sue her for ecologically damaging our nation’s timberlands.
Anon: Most of us lost the day being in court on the “KNH Derivative Lawsuit” including Jeff. Only their attornies bothered to show up. At least I got to spend the day with a group of good people. Not sure which document is funnier Su$$ie Smears or the Derivative complaint.
August 11th, 2006 at 7:16 am
To NH Resident
I remember u very well when you stayed with us in Netanya, to study nursing.
However guys like us (perverts) dont try things like that at home, we do it to unsuspecting patients in the office, so you really didnt get to know us very well.
But thanks for being so kind in your post, I hope the women that I grabbed in the office will also understand and be kind to me…
Meanwhile, thank G-D, Yael thinks that this latest rumor about me is just a rumor, and she is fighting for me …..
Thank G-d for the Yael’s and Michelle’s of the world who allow us perverts to continue to enjoy the forbidden fruits of this world!
August 11th, 2006 at 7:44 am
As I said before, I worked with him in Laniado Hospital, he was a fine doctor who saved people’s lives and I never heard patients or co-workers complain. Everyone only had the highest reguard for him, we all liked him and respected him. When I moved to Monsey I myself used him as a doctor, and he never did ANYTHING inappropriate to me, and my husband and I liked him very much as a physician, we only switched because of different reasons, not because of him at all. Yael is a very kind, sweet person who always is friendly and warm to me, not a phony. Unless you personally saw or experienced something improper, I suggest you really examine the false claims that you are writing on this blog. Go write to the National Inquirer (Shoprite manager will tell you how to get in touch with them!) Shabbat Shalom!!
August 11th, 2006 at 8:16 am
For those who should know, the DERIVATIVE ACTION lawsuit was filed by the following PLAINTIFFS:
Morris Esformes, Harry and Eileen Grossman, Jeffrey and Netzana Friedman, Gavirel and Osnot Nacca, Jack and Shiela Schranz, Simon and Lori Zarour, and Joyce Simon.
They are suing as INDIVIDUALS the following KNH Board members:
Fred Brinn, Sy Ratner, Jerry Wolfset, Shlomo Pomeranz, Bruce Minsky, and David Resnick. In addition, KNH is named as a Nominal defendant.
One of the biggest questions that need to be raised is where is the heter for them to sue in a civil court. Answer: There is none.
At yesterdays hearing the Judge sealed the case as a result of the contents of the defendents submission papers. Its obvious that Team Tendler does not want certain information revealed to the public. WOW, surprise, surprise.
We have also learned that a reporter was in court yesterday as well and that a new article on the Tendler saga will be forthcoming in 3 media outlets.
I have heard that so far Fred Brinn has summoned those above plaintiffs to a Din Torah and that Yacov Tendler answered the first hazmona on their behalf. WOW, surprise, surprise. the other KNH Board members being sued will also be summoning these people to Din Torah as well in the coming week.
Four (4) of the plaintiffs have already dropped out of the case after learning what the real intention of this lawsuit was and the remifications of their actions were.
Y. Tendler quotes HaRav Reuven Feinstin, Shlita in his response to the Bais Din claiming that Reb Reuven gave them permission to go to civil court. Anyone who knows Reb Reuven should advise him of this. GO ask Brinn to show you this letter. Its outrageous. Y Tendler also suggested that the Brinn family should go an find a new doctor (which I heard they did already) Just more desperate YT attempts at harrassment. The lies and desperation by Team Tendler are seemingly endless and without bounds. One can almost laugh at what they provide as answers.
Well it look likes MT will not be, baruch hashem, restored to his position as Rabbi by Rosh Hashana, as was reqested by the above named plaintiffs. Looks like Harry and Co. will be davening in the MT dungeon for the foreseeable future.
The judge is expected to rule on the issue of whether the court can even handle this religious matter, and KNH’s attorney was asked to submit further papers by the end of September.
So life goes on in good ole New Hempstead.
Have a good shabbos my friends.
August 11th, 2006 at 8:50 am
Very ethical of them to be getting special psakim from their uncle Rav Reuven.
August 11th, 2006 at 8:57 am
Yaakov Tendler’s kids dropped out of the fold because they saw what a hypocrite their parents were. The only thing that mattered to them wasn’t genuine frumkeit but keeping up appearances as the royal Tendler family. Thats why they care more about protecting their predator brother than about truth and justice. However, you can’t fool all the children all the time.
August 11th, 2006 at 10:12 am
Which 4 plaintiffs dropped out?
August 11th, 2006 at 1:04 pm
My source tells me there is a big rift in the Tendler family over Mordechai and Aron. The daughters RR and RF are sick of the embarassment Mordechai’s deviant behavior has brought on them. They know he is messed up and they know he’s a liar. They won’t hurt their parents by speaking out but they are telling people privately they know Mordechai needs help. As far as my source knows YT, HT and ET are holding strong.
August 11th, 2006 at 1:13 pm
The father then, must be siding with the daughters, because our sources tell us that MDT might be interested in a settlement once again. He seems to want MT out of Monsey as he is hurting the entire family. Seems the father is getting resistance from some family members who still want to fight to the end at all costs and regardless of which family members get further hurt, including now, the Feinstens. Seems they might get pulled into this mess big time now for alleged statements they may or may not have said. Regardless, it seems highly unlikely KNH will put up anything in light of several recent develpments on several fronts, which is in their favor that has yet to come out in the open.
But enough said for now, just food for thought. Looking forward to the chulent this shabbos.
August 11th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
I was in court on August 10. And decision was reserved on the plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction. The relief in the Temporary Restraining Order maintaining business as usual is in effect until His Honor rules on the injunction. Two attorneys appeared for the plaintiffs. They are Paul Savad and Ms. Susan Cooper. Both are extremely competent and I assume command suitable fees. And make no mistake about it, the papers submitted for the plaintiffs were not hastily drawn and well prepared. The defendants’ counsel, I believe, however, has the better of the argument, and his papers were of equal or even better quality.
So, my question is, in light of the impecunity of most of the plaintiffs, who is footing the plaintiffs’ legal bill?
Oh by the way, I am suggesting Samuel Lee Jackson to play MT in the upcoming movie or HBO special. He has MT’s eyes and his voice can be very smooth and silky. Someone has suggested James Gandolfino to play Fred and I think John Madden would make a good Jeff Cohen. What about Al Pacino for Rabbi MDT and the golem aka Spiegal from Lord of the Rings to play YT?
A little light note in dangerous times from which we are being distracted by the hubris of the Monsey Peyton Place known as All in the Tendler Family.
Shabbat Shalom.
August 11th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
MDT should not be seeking a settlement, he should be seeking serious psychiatric/psychological help for his at least two extremely ill sons. And he should definitely get MT out of Monsey.
August 11th, 2006 at 6:07 pm
Prison 262 Months - Shmuel Juravel
Update
A message to the Rabbinical Protection Squad of Baltimore and other communities.
Dear RPS,
For many decades you have chosen to protect the sexual predators of your community at the expense of their victins/survivors.
We will methodically end your activities and ensure that each of those you protect is exposed and brought to justice.
How can anyone continue to deny the problems which exist in Baltimore. Are the latest recent revelations and child sex charges concerning Shmuel Juravel not enough to open people’s eyes?
Shmuel Juravel is the son of Rabbi Moshe Juravel. Rabbi Juravel is employeed as a teacher at the Torah Institute of Baltimore (President Hillel Tendler).
Shmuel is yet another product of Baltimore’s unaccountable and unrepentant Orthodox institutions and community.
Shmuel Juravel was indicted on March 29, 2006, on the offenses of using a computer to persuade, induce and entice a minor to engage in prostitution or other sexual activity, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2422(b) (Count One); traveling in interstate commerce for the purpose of attempting to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2423(b) & (e) (Count Two); and, knowingly possessing material containing images of child pornography, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 2252A(a)(5)(B) (Count Three).
For years the Baltimore arm of the RPS protected Juravel. When things got too hot in Baltimore they relocated him.
In the past, the RPS would have been able to get one of its protectees a sweetheart deal with the authorities even with the heinous charges. Normally they could prevent others from coming forward with additional information.
We have put an end to that. We published a photo of the accused and the accusations and a contact number for the FBI. Information is power. We ensured that for the first time every survivor would know what was going on, have full and timely information and would have the opportunity to tell their story to the proper authorities, unimpeded, unthreatened. We left Juravel with no wriggle room. We stripped the RPS of their power and their ability to hush up yet another “indiscretion” against children by one of those they protect.
The result? According to reports a plea agreement by Shmuel Juravel for 262 months (over 20 years) in prison, no probation, no parole and no appeal. And that was the plea agreement.
Perhaps the various Teams that protect Rabbis and community members who prey sexually on our vulnerable will hear our message.
You are all finished. Those who have abused our children and vulnerable will be exposed and brought to justice. Those who have protected them through their actions or through their silence will also be exposed.
Your threats and intimidation tactics are meaningless and will change nothing.
Light is more powerful than darkness.
Our voices and words are a power Hashem has given us, a power you will never again silence. Never again. Not for one moment.
There will be more voices, more blogs, more exposes, more news articles, more arrests, more convictions and more challenges to your corruption. Your attacks just guarantee more publicity and more will hear our message in a shorter period of time. You strengthen us and ensure that more are exposed to the truths that we expose.
That is all you have done this week, you have made us stronger. Not one of us bloggers was silenced.
It continues to be a brave new world.
A very good Shabbos to all, from a small insignificant blogger.
JWB
August 12th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
I am responding to Jeremiah’s comment about Dr.Tendler’s children being non-observant. I also used to make all sorts of assumptions and judgements on the parents of these children, until it happened to me. It is very easy to put all the blame on the parents, but there are alot of reasons why this could happen, such as undiagnosed learning disabilities, and teachers that were not trained properly to deal with kids with problems, the reasons are many and complicated, and not only happening to Dr. Tendlers children. How about RMT’s kids, they are all frum and sterling individuals, how do you explain that? Gives me the feeling that all you are trying to do is dig up dirt against the Tendlers. We would have less kids at risk if people would be more understanding and less judgemental.
August 12th, 2006 at 9:08 pm
JWB is a pompous ass as his post above proves. I felt sorry for him when I heard my parents talk about Tendler trying to expose him, but dude, reading the above, what a dick. And whoever Jeff Cohen is, ditto. The only sane one in this bunch is Resident of NH.
August 12th, 2006 at 11:49 pm
Shmuel Juravel is the son of Rabbi Moshe Juravel. Rabbi Juravel is employeed as a teacher at the Torah Institute of Baltimore (President Hillel Tendler).
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
Alice H. Martin
United States Attorney
Northern District of Alabama
____________________________________________________
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 11, 2006
...
see: ... 2006/AUGUST 11, 2006 SAVANNAH, GEORGIA MAN PLEADS GUILTY TO TRAVELING TO HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD AND USE OF THE INTERNET TO ENTICE A CHILD.html
SAVANNAH, GEORGIA MAN PLEADS GUILTY TO TRAVELING TO HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD AND USE OF THE INTERNET TO ENTICE A CHILD
BIRMINGHAM, AL - SAMUEL ZEV JURAVEL pled guilty late yesterday in United States District Court to three counts of traveling to have sex with a child and use of the internet to entice a child to engage in illegal sexual acts. JURAVEL, 30, of Savannah, Georgia, was arrested in Birmingham in March 2006 and remains in federal custody.
“Be warned - out of state child predators who travel to Alabama to harm our children will be prosecuted,? states U.S. Attorney Alice H. Martin. “We will protect our children through zealous prosecution of those who take advantage of and steal the innocence of childhood.?
In the Plea Agreement filed August 10, 2006, JURAVEL pled guilty to traveling from Georgia to a location in Jefferson County, Alabama, to meet with what he believed to be a 12 year old boy and an 11 year old boy for illegal sex acts. JURVAL also admitted use of the internet to attempt to persuade induce, and entice the boys to meet him for sex. Through criminal forfeiture proceedings, a lap top computer which was seized at the time of arrest will be forfeited by JURAVEL.
According to the plea agreement JURAVEL now faces 262 months imprisonment and a life time of supervised release. Additionally, JURAVEL also faces a fine which will be determined by the Court at the time of sentencing. A sentencing hearing date has not been set by the Court at this time.
This case is significant in that it brings attention to a new Federal initiative: Project Safe Childhood which was launched earlier last month. Project Safe Childhood is a major Department endeavor where U.S. Attorneys will work together with local Department-funded Internet Crimes Against Children task forces, and all their other federal, state, and local partners, in unprecedented cooperative efforts to attack online pedophiles and pornographers.
This case was investigated by Special Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Birmingham Police Department, and the United States Postal Inspection Service. Assistant United States Attorney John H. England, III is prosecuting this matter on behalf of the U.S. Government.
United States Attorney’s Office Press Releases are also on the Internet visit ...
Jill Ellis, Public Information Contact, 205-244-2015
August 13th, 2006 at 4:35 am
Baruch Dayan Emet
Sgt. Keren Tendler of Rechovot was the first female soldier killed in combat during this war. She was the navigator of the helicopter shot down yesterday.
She is a second cousin to the Tendlers in Monsey.
August 13th, 2006 at 6:36 pm
At this time, in light of the info given by “Tendler Truths,” its now time we to call it quits, and I beg my brother Mordechai to do true Tshuvah and pack his bags and leave New Hempstead so that everyone can go on with their lives!
August 13th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
I heard that Freedman and Zarour dropped out of the suit. Anyone else dropped out?
August 15th, 2006 at 4:36 am
First off-
Drooling nasal picker,
As has been pointed out to you many times before, this is not the international repository of Jewish sexual offenders. If you really think you have something worthwhile to post, POST IT ON YOUR BLOG! Do not pollute someone else’s blog about MT with every pervert you can look up on the internet. Your just as bad as Susie Smear. If I wanted to read about the sex scandal of the month I would read Susie’s rag. And BTW what is Susie’s problem that she has this preoccupation with sex scandals, and where is the Jewish community’s outrage, that this shmattah is allowed into homes where Jewish children might get to pursue Susie obsession with such matters?
Next case, a third phone call to R’ Hirsch Ginzberg confirms that he never gave MT a heter arka’os. Contrary to what the complaint states, Agudas Yisrael NEVER ISSUED AN IKUL, he told MT he could go to court ONLY TO GET AN INJUNCTION, pending a din torah in Bais Din. Please note, out of all the claims in the complaint, the only exhibit attached is a copy of MT’s contract. The supposed injuction from the Jerusalem Bais Din is not attached the supposed injunction from Agudas Yisrael is not attached. Defendant’s counsel should demand the Plaintiffs produce such documentation or those particular counts should be striken from the complaint. The definition of Torah Law being the “Decision of a Bais Din” is also incorrect. The complaint is clearly an attempt to extort money from the shul to force them to settle. It would almost be funny, it was say…. about a priest. The notion that the plaintiffs claim it was the “purported” board’s fault that there was a drop in revenue, and loss of membership, and not: a few NY post stories; a law suit from AM against MT and KNH; the RCA decision to boot him; the letter from the seven rabbis; the fact he never shows up to litigation, including those that he he initiates, etc., that caused it, is absurd. As an aside, if 4 plaintiffs dropped out (there’s a kool-aid antidote?) I don’t know if this is a requirement for the suit but I believe it might be because the complaint mentions it, if the remaining 8 are less than 5% of the membership, can they still file such an action? It seems they stated the 5% because it’s a requirement.
August 15th, 2006 at 9:38 am
The situation in New Hempstead involving the so called Rabbi Tendler is an absolute disgrace to Torah Judaism, the Jewish People, and the Torah.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:18 am
I am responding to Jeremiah’s comment about Dr.Tendler’s children being non-observant.
Our avot, Avraham and Yitzchaz had sons who were not exactly stellar people. I may blame myself for how my kids turn out, but it’s not anyone else’s place to blame a parent, unless the parent is clearly negligent or abusive.
To think otherwise denies the notion of free will.
August 15th, 2006 at 12:05 pm
OK … I am ready to offer a Cease Fire with MT.
1) I just want him to admit publicly that he has done Teshuva
2) He must sell his house and move either to any state that begins with the letter “A”
or any country the begins with the lettter “A”
3) He must swear on a Sefer Torah never to play the role of Rabbi again.
4) He e-mail me all the pictures he took.
August 15th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Bozoer Rebbe- don’t worry about what Jeremiah the bullfrog croaks about, obviously he or she is an ignorant individual. Perhaps he would like to read the book “Off the Derech” by Faranak Margolese, now there is someone that knows what she is talking about.
August 15th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Correction to Propher Reader:
New Hempstead is an absolute disgrace to Torah Judaism, the Jewish People, and the Torah.
Its no coincidence that this bizayon took place where it did.
August 15th, 2006 at 6:55 pm
To Anonymous 5:08
The reason this absolute disgrace happened in New Hempstead, is because G-D knows that only New Hempstead people would have the guts to do what they did; kicked the hell of my pervert brother Mordechai, albiet a bit late!
My brother Mordechai is the “disgrace to Torah Judaism, the Jewish People and the Torah.” To turn this whole thing around now and say that the New Hemsteadians are at fault is idotic and sheer lunacy, only my family would have these absurd idea
August 15th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
The fault lies with the one who deceives innocent Ba’al Tshuvas.
August 15th, 2006 at 7:49 pm
This line of reasoning that the people of NH are a disgrace is getting SO stale, they said the same thing about New Hempstead when Rabbi Ribiat left the community. Only a person who is ignorant of the issues involved would dare speak Loshon Horah about an entire community, your sin is multiplied many times over for each person you speak badly about. (It would be a bigger disgrace if problems would be ignored and we would stick our heads in the sand, don’t you think?)
August 15th, 2006 at 8:57 pm
The lunancy of linking the misdeds of a single individual toan entire community is so absurd that it does not merit any response at all.
I happen to know many residents in NH and they are wonderful people.
They are more likely to extend greetings to a total stranger on Shabbos than the residents of just about any other area of Monsey.
I am not putting down any other community. Am rather highlighting the peopple of NH.
P.S. My assumption is because many of the NH residents are not ex Brooklynites.
August 15th, 2006 at 11:08 pm
David S: The Derivative Action has an attachement of the “Real Members of KNH”. Mostly of people related to or close to MT - virtually all were never members and most reside outside of New York or the USA. I considering sending them all a welcoming letter and bill for $750. The 5% will be a facticious as the plaintiffs themselves - 4 already disappeared after finding out what they signed up for… MT would have been smarter if he have them sign promissary notes…
Our defense is covered under the KNH insurance so we will not suffer financially from having to defend this ridiculous lawsuit. We have been assigned excellent attornies, in addition to our terrific inhouse/board lawyers. The only thing lost here is our time which is wasted on defending this farce.
For the record, we are now sending copies of all correspondence and requesting confirmation from everyone who MT and YT quote in their letters. So far no one has responded and their silience speaks for itself.
We are 1000% confident that his Uncles would never interfere in any Din Torahs in progress. They simply wanted the issues to be resolved in a Bais Din, precisely the opposite of what MT is Desperately Trying to accomplish.
Further, we are demanding any Bais Din communications be given as official documents.
No known kool-aid antidote except MT himself. Eventually, he (ab)uses everyone and most just quietly leave… as many have over the years.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:15 am
Anonymous 8:57 has no clue. Hashgacha Pratis is not defined by random and unassociated events. To suggest that this disgrace occured in New Hempstead yet had nothing to do with the community there is heretical and revisionist. You get what you deserve.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:46 am
Anonymous Says: According to your logic, the European Jews also got what they deserved. And to complete the reasoning, since most were Orthodox, one may conclude that Orthodox Judiasm is against the will of HaShem as the Moslems claim.
Don’t be so quick to judge. Many very fine people in this community….. Perhaps they are being tested? And so far they are doing quite well…..
August 16th, 2006 at 10:50 am
Anonymous 8:15 is an example of a religious moron. He sees a child fall off her bike and bang her head. “OH”, says the religious moron, “this child must have sinned and God is punishing her.” This type of thinking is religiously primitive and unfortunately there is far too much of it in the right wing fundamentalist Orthodox community.
August 16th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
I have found that it is the yaitzer horah that makes us be so judgemental on other people and communities, that way you can use otheres as a scapegoat and not work on your own behavior and character flaws. Rabbanus is a very hard business to be in, especially if the Rov is not in total charge of the shul (ie. it is in his house). Unless he is a very good Rov that is a shidduch for that particulat shul. I spoke to one Rov that told me that Monsey is very tough on Rabbonim, not only in NH, and the best thing is when the Rov has a shul in his house and is in charge. Alot less machlokes, if you don’t like it then you leave and that’s it. I am glad my husband is not a Rov, that is all I can say.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:12 pm
Resident of NH - Rabbanus might be a hard business, and rabbis are allowed to make mistakes, but those mistakes do not include sleeping with the congregants or counselees. We are allowed to be judgemental of perverts (look at Pinchas with Zimri). That is not the yaitzer horah, it is righteous indignation.
August 16th, 2006 at 8:49 pm
” …a religious moron. He sees a child fall off her bike and bang her head. “OH?, says the religious moron, “this child must have sinned and God is punishing her.? This type of thinking is religiously primitive”
- absolutely agree. The Islamic determinism and Catholic Idolatry which have infiltrated the Jewsih community via hassidism are destroying us. People say “it’s bashert” - it’s all pre-decided, so in the name of trusting Hashem they do every imaginable indecncy - since it’s just a bit of “hishtadlus” to steal just a bit of money just from a bit of government ect., instead of working hard or studying Torah at the detriment of material pleasures but they want it both ways. And to justify that they bow down to an evil raccon with his furry head and a shiny pajajma whom they claim can walk on water, but only swims in money.
“… money for nothing and chicks for free - ta ta tatatata ta ta tatata ta“
August 16th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
PS - “prophet”; what on earth does “right wing fundamentalist Orthodox community. Mean?????? Isn’t it more like left-wing garbage????
August 16th, 2006 at 10:56 pm
Resident of NH: “I spoke to one Rov that told me that Monsey is very tough on Rabbonim, not only in NH, and the best thing is when the Rov has a shul in his house and is in charge.”
1. Check the Shulchan Aruch where one is supposed to pray when possible. Hint, the Rov perhaps forgot or was absent when they learned that section.
2. Do you really think giving Rabbis more power is the answer? MT at his apex exerted far too much control over his congregants, and I am not referring to his harem. Seems far too many Rabbis get caught up with their Kavod (honor).
3. Have you checked out most of the Monsey steebles? Room for the women? Place for the children? Beautiful decor and architecture? Neat and clean premises? Or just another idea to divide the Jews into smaller and smaller groups? All to feed the egos of many unemployable Semechanics and provide a roll out of bed convenience for all those Hardcore Beseechers.
August 17th, 2006 at 11:15 am
Outsider, I was talking about others judging us in NH, not judging Rabbi Tendler. Noone should say that it was our fault here in NH that this happened!
dear david,
I have davened for years at a shteebel that had plenty of room for the ladies and children, and it was clean and neat. The Rov was great, he did not do the shul for his ego, he is a big Talmid Chochum, and he didn’t get money for making a shul, but worked his tail off in chinuch. He didn’t have any ego to feed, the neighborhood approached him and built an addition to his house because they wanted him. Most of all, there was peace and no fighting. All three shuls in NH have gone through alot of trouble with their Rabbi’s for different reasons. I had enough of shuls that don’t have stability with the Rabbi, and I like to daven in either a yeshiva or a shteibel. As for beautiful decor and archetecture, i could go to a museum or a church to see that, I don’t need that in my shul, KNH for sure didn’t fit that bill with the unpainted walls and the filthy bathrooms, phew!!! Okay, now you KNHers can fire away, but save your strength for fighting tendler (you’ll need it!!)
August 17th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
Face it, New Hempstead is the taint of frumkeit, the Cleveland of Monsey, the armpit of Klal Yisrael. You liberal jackoffs can fool yourself all you want, but your property values still suck and you can’t for the life of you pull together a single shul that doesn’t have sex scandlas, goniffs, and outright rishoim running rampant amongst you. Let’s list all the shuls that have been in the New York Metro media in the last year for any reason that was a collosal chillul hashem:
Kehilat new Humpstead
At this point you wish Stanley Teich had held his ground and succeeded.
August 17th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
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August 17th, 2006 at 11:46 pm
Dear Resident of NH: One can always find exceptions to the rule. Nevertheless, the Shuchan Aruch directs us to build beautiful shuls with soaring ceiling and large windows (church stole many of our ideas). As the shul is considered a minor replica of the Bais HaMigdash (HaShem Home/Place) it is an insult to offer him substandard accommodations.
Since I was around at the time of the construction, I will note for the record that we attempted to follow every nuance of Halacha and many minhags with regard to building KNH. Even the spot where the Bal Tefilah stands is exactly 613 feet above sea level.
Many cannot understand how betrayed many of us feel–Time, effort and money aside.
As for KNH, the Holy Roll-her extracted his tributes and the finances/books were abandoned. For example, I had to pay 2 years of unpaid taxes and penalties. With our expenses under control, we will make sure that your comments are addressed. There should never have been any issues with the shul funds in the first place.
It will not take much to defend against MT as he has nothing of substance except too much time on his hands. Frankly, I would be embarrassed to submit such nonsense to a court.
Anonymous 5:56 pm: Your posting is inappropriate and not relevant on this blog. We are trying to clean up a mess and “If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem.” (Stokely Carmichael, SDS Black Panther). Visit your therapist for your issues.
August 18th, 2006 at 4:06 am
What shuls in NH had goniffs? What shul had sex scandals beside KNH? What shuls had rishoyim? Anonymous, back up your accusations with facts!
August 18th, 2006 at 4:51 am
Please leave your references to problematic communities in New York, rather than calling them the Cleveland of Monsey.
We actually have a lovely community here on Dreary Lake Erie, with none of the shmutz or sinas chinam going on in Brooklyn or Monsey. Houses cost half as much as well. From Chasidim and Telz to the Reform, we all coexist, get along and participate together in building a kehilla and community few in Monsey or Brooklyn could begin to comprehend.
And while Drew Carey produced two very successful comedies about living in Cleveland, any show about Monsey today would truly be a Shakesperian tragedy, an opera sung to nusach eicha.
We even have a Rebbe from Michigan who would rather be called the Clevelander Rebbe than the Michiganer Rebbe, even though he is not from Cleveland (true story, he lives near Bnei Brak in Israel). All you;ve got are a bunch of misnagdim power crazed megalomaniacs masquerading as some wierd Lutvak derivation of chassidishe rebbe for power, profit and sex. And Mrdechai Tendler is only the most extreme case of that bizarre Monsey species of rabbi that no responsible or healthy community would ever have tolerated. It was unique to Monsey, it remains unique tio Monsey even after is removal in many other cases (his father and many other rabbis in NH and Monsey included, albeit to lesser extreme in publicized offense of power and profit, and lacking the headline grabbing sex). Your community really does need to examine itself and its entire belief structure, and how this disease became so uniquely endemic to Monsey.
Here at the Cleveland Clinic, we would call it a cancer hot spot and investigate why it is so uniquely pervasive to a small and unique geography and population. Monsey, of course, has nothing comparable to the Cleveland Clinic. Or our rabbis, across the entire spectrum of observance.
Besides, we got LeBron, and all you have are the Knicks. Seems that self-destruction is pervasive in New York these days.
Cleveland Rocks!
August 18th, 2006 at 9:46 am
As far as ganoovim are concerned, check out Knesses Yisroel, the breakaway shul. In there you have two outstanding gavoovim. Moshe Geller and Avraham Katz, and a few other assorted ganoovim who stole a business from someone in that shul. The victim’s name is known, but I will not reveal it here out of respect. Shame on thiefs, ganoovim, gazlonim, crooks, liars, and the assorted scum that lives in Monsey.
August 18th, 2006 at 12:37 pm
Monsey is full of crooks, lying rabbis, real estate thieves, conniving black hatted greaseballs, weirdos, sex perverts, misnagid power maniac chassidic wannabes, moronic baal tshuvas, stressed out yeshiva types, welfare cheats, food-stamp schlumpers, Brooklyn cast offs, and scheming shteible sucking cholent fressers.
August 18th, 2006 at 5:19 pm
As a resident of Nh and in response to the 2 previous posts, you are condemming a whole community based upon a few individuals. If a non-Jew were to utter these statements. he would be instantly labelled as being an anti-semite. Correct?
These comments are coming from individuals who are probably quite immature ( not necessarily in biological age). I am sure that their frustrations are being expressed in this fashion because of their wish to seek emes reign and not sheker. Unfortunately we live our physical existence here in the Olam Hasheker. There are admittedtly certain individuals who have a less than stellar background. So what. Don’t condemn the whole community.
What is most important is how these individuals are treated by the Community. If they are honored at yeshiva dinners and are sought after to make shidduchim because of their ill gotten wealth then that speaks volumes about the value systems of our community. If we sit by and do nothing we are accomplices to their actions.
P.S. This “shtickel Torah” can be applied to just about any frum community that I am aware of, be it in the gretaer NY area, L.A., Chicago, Lakewood,Toronto, etc.
P.P.S. Just look up in the Messilas Yeasharim as to what the greatese tests that man faces on this world besides the obvious sexual ones.
Trust me. It is not restricted to Monsey. It exists everywhere and we all know it.
There is alot to be said for the many wonderful people here in Monsey who are very sincere in their frumkeit and do not just talk the talk.
Good Shabbos Yidden. Remember to say Good Shabbos to everyone you pass on the street.
August 21st, 2006 at 4:20 am
Yossi (Joe) Izrael Says:
- absolutely agree. The Islamic determinism and Catholic Idolatry which have infiltrated the Jewsih community via hassidism are destroying us. People say “it’s bashert? - it’s all pre-decided, so in the name of trusting Hashem they do every imaginable indecncy - since it’s just a bit of “hishtadlus? to steal just a bit of money just from a bit of government ect., instead of working hard or studying Torah at the detriment of material pleasures but they want it both ways. And to justify that they bow down to an evil raccon with his furry head and a shiny pajajma whom they claim can walk on water, but only swims in money.
Mr. Izrael,
Ummmmm, let me guess. You’re modern orthodox, right? It seems that the only place from which this sort of vitriol resonates, are those quarters that feel a little guilty, and to compensate they lambast those that actually keep the faith, like it’s a crime. Like Tendler senior’s comment ” those Hungarians…. uch.” The people to whom he’s referring of course, are those people who came out of Auschwitz with the shirt on their backs (maybe) and their children, and came to America and raised the level of Shabbos observance, Kashrus, Tznius, Limud Hatorah, Davening, etc. This tendency to belittle both chassidim and Litvishe chareidim (blood sucking kollel people, right) is so ingrown that it’s unjustified roots are forgotton. How many of those furry headed people do you know first hand? When MO people come to Kupas Ezra for help, those fuzzy headed people don’t ask why they don’t have a beard and payos. They hand over money that was donated by other fuzzy headed people. If the fuzzy headed people had to go the clean shaven people they would probably starve to death before they finished filling out the paperwork. Generalization go both ways. If you’d like to meet some fuzzy heads I can introduce you. They might not know your favorite baseball players, moviestars, video games, or sitcoms, but if you like to find out about Judaism there’s a whole lot they can teach you.
This comment was addressed to Joe Izrael only. I realize there is chessed going on in the MO community as well, but his comment from “Der Ewige Jude” needed to be addressed.
August 21st, 2006 at 12:58 pm
Modernishe yidden will never get it. There but for the grace of G-d go thee, I guess. Every leaf that falls, every flower that blows in the wind, is defined and directed by hashgocha. Yes, when tragedy strikes an otherwise innocent person, it is hashgocha, it is what G-d wants. New Hempstead and Tendler are inexticably linked, period. That it didn’t happen in Forshay or Wesley Hills isn’t chance, it is hashgocha.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:35 pm
There is somethng called Free Choice. Tendler chose to come and settle in New Hempstead. IF he had settled elsewhere, whatever he did nor did not do would have happened there. Your logic is flawed, buddy. Go preach elsewhere.
August 21st, 2006 at 1:58 pm
> # New Hempstead News Says:
> July 24th, 2006 at 9:24 pm
> We just heard from very reliable sources that R’ Moshe Tendler’s contract with YU,
> will not be renewed!
NHN’s ‘very reliable source’ was wrong.
MDT is teaching several classes in the Fall semester.
...
August 21st, 2006 at 2:40 pm
Anonymous 135, the whole point is that HE DIDN’T settle anywhere else.
August 21st, 2006 at 3:08 pm
Sure, MT settled in New Hempstead. So what? That doesn’t prove anything. What MT chose to do or not to do was his own free choice.
August 21st, 2006 at 5:46 pm
To all the guys above…
Its not New Hempstead’s fault
Yes … its true that MT lived in New Hempstead
but he fornicated with his victims, in Boston, in New Jersey and , yes my dear friends in Yerushalyim Ir Hakodesh ….
August 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 am
David Shatz: Speaking as one of the clean shaven (well at least most of the time), you are generalizing as well. I guess you would be shocked to learn that a major source of support for the “fuzzy headed people” come from the “clean shaven”. Further, I have personaly not found “fuzzy headers” to be any more ethical in biz than Reform/Conservative Jews. All groups need to look within and try to correct that which is wrong, Elul is arriving soon…
Nevertheless, this is a MT blog and should not be used a public forum for criticism of Jews in general. These are issues that should be kept in (the family) our shuls and classrooms.
Our goal here is to prevent any further damage by MT or to KNH and to restore KNH to its proper place among the Congregations of Israel. Our original mission has remained the same - To provide a home for anyone to come and grow in their Torah and Avodah. As HaShem’s system is a relativistic one, it is not so critical as to where you stand religiously by rather how far you traveled (grown) in your Torah and Avodah.
Anon: Modern - “Of or relating to recent times or the present: modern history”.
We are all modern Jews. If you already “Got it” why do you continue to study or do you? Your definition of “hashgocha” limits HaShem himself. His unlimited abilities allow hiim to control this most complex game of life while providing us with free choice - similar to a person playing chess against a master chess player. Make any move you wish but check-mate is his.
August 22nd, 2006 at 9:31 pm
Dovid Shatz ,
I’m not MO. I’m a Jew, period. I’m against all these stupid tags & labels, but you can come and meet me for a 104 point inspection and decide whether I’m plain litvish, MO, 28% German, 39% hungarian, 62% Yeshivish and 4% Carbohydrates or whatever you want to label me. I see myself as a Jew, period. But just for your information, I have learned in Slobodka and Mir, among others.
In any event, it is a sad but true fact that we are more than ever infected with the aforementioned islamo-determinism and catholic idolatry.
Can you please tell me why all (OK, not all. Only 97.4%) of hasidim, including business owners -and I mean those who are making money-, are on sec 8, food satmps, medicaid etc? It’s a group mentality of “gimme gimme gimme gimme” and “more more more” It’s time for us to stand up to this vulture culture. These hasidim despise everone else, yet they come to our shuls sticking their filthy hands under our noses “hacnussah kallah, hacnussah kallah“.
I came to the US without a penny to my name, and I always refused those freebies and handouts, including when I was in Kollel. To me the idea of taking something that isn’t mine is nauseating. And it should be thousandfold so for those who want to be holiy and isolated from worldly pleasures. What’s worth a Tora learning enabled by breaking its own rules? You either learn like Hillel or go make a living like Ilfa. But don’t telly Hashem, “hey buddy, you’ll help me cheat and lie and take taxpayers’ money, and I’ll do you a big chessed, Ill sit in kollel all day, OK?”. Unfortunately, this is the prevailing kollel attitude in most cases today.
If you’re willing to put some effort, you can make a decent living. No one said it’s easy. But it isn’t easy to learn a tosfos either. (Yet whoever touches an artscroll is derided as “balebatish”. To steal from the taxpayer -me- yes; to earn an honest living -no. Kol hakavod.) What is easy is to sit in kollel, shcmooze the time away and collect welfare checks, WIC, sec8, food satmps and all. Having great tzedaka organizations is beautiful, but it doesn’t legitimize David Twerski YM”S to run brothels and insurance-fraud establishments via his proxies. 400 years ago people like that would have been put away by “moridin velo maalin”.
FYI, I don’t know the first thing about baseball and sitcoms - you sound well informed. I knew some soccer back in the day, when my grandfather would keep me informed, but I’ll admit that Beavis and Butt-Head very much remind me of hassidim in general.
It’s interesting that you bemoan -vary rightfully- the subdivisions in our society yet you throw labels left and right. When there’s a problem, it has to be fixed, no matter where it is. It is my firm belief that David Twersky, the ignomous Teitelbaum brothers, and Mordechai Hager are evil criminals who have to be locked up for life.
August 22nd, 2006 at 11:50 pm
Yossi: Suprised how short your list of names is. Better than locking them up we should put them to work - that outa kill them off quickly.
But on a different note -this is not the forum for tirading against the evils that have befallen us. Please — your posts are not the reason most of the posters are here. This is simply the wrong battlefield.
We have enough problems getting popular support for removing MT - there are so many Yiddin that think that he is innocent until proven guilty. A good old american concept.
A large number not know that a Rav is held to a higher standard. A community must dismiss a Rav based on persistent rumors (of a sexual nature) and place him in Chayrem - Moed Katan. For all the Kollel studying, the lack of Halachic knowledge of our “Talmedei Chachamim” is alarming.
Let us begin by fixing at least our immediate our problem. One step at a time.
August 23rd, 2006 at 4:36 pm
David Pollack -
You want to punish MT by placing him in a Harem?
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:52 pm
May I have comments (supported by references, if possible) for the following ‘enigma.’ (members of KNH will cringe at the use of this word):
How is it that Tendler can complain that he did not have the benefit of a Beth Din to adjudicate the allegations of sexual improprieties made against him because he was not given an opportunity to be heard or to cross-examine any of his numerous accusers, and yet urge compliance with an order or orders from Beth Din(s) enjoining his congregation and all other Jews from compromising his parnosseh when his congregation and all those other Jews were never parties to the Beth Din(s) and thus had no opportunity to be heard?
In a secular court, the judge can only adjudicate controversies between the parties before it, and in doing so, must obey particular rules of procedure. A secular court may not make rulings affecting persons not parties to the litigation. So, if Tendler petitions for and accepts an order from a Beth Din preventing KNH or anyone else from interfering with his parnosseh when KNH and anyone else was not a party before the Beth Din, then he must equally recognize and accept the logical extension of this that a Beth Din can issue edicts against persons even when those affected person(s) are not even parties to the lawsuit.
Hence, what the hell is he complaining about in questioning the rulings of Rabbi Wosner and others?
Commentary please.
August 23rd, 2006 at 9:21 pm
Yossi: Maybe? as a eunuch!
August 24th, 2006 at 8:23 am
Everyone still rambles on at the mouth.
Still waiting for even one rumor to be proven.
Is he entitled to innocent until proven guilty.
Not on this blog.
Rumor and innuendo rule.
August 24th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
LOL
August 24th, 2006 at 9:12 pm
Anyone know anything about Tendler’s latest law suit against his victim?
NHN reports that there is a counter lawsuit.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:26 am
A desperate move from the sinking ship known as Team Tendler.
They are basically claiming their latest conspiracy theory. They certainly are sounding more and more like Mel Gibson’s father.
But it may give us an opportunity to bring Susan (Susie Smear) Rosenbluth, Aron and Shalom Tendler as witnesses. Oops, I guess Team Tendler forgot that they claimed in the Jewish Voice and Opinion (Susie’s Smear and Opinion) that the conspiracy against Mordecai was also behind Aron resignation (and “logically” Shalom’s as well). I guess time travel must have been involved in that part of the conspiracy.
August 25th, 2006 at 11:48 am
Can anyone keep track of Team Tendler’s conspiracy theories?
1) Women out to get them.
2) The Right Wing of Orthodoxy out to get them.
3) The Modern Orthodox out to get them.
4) Bloggers out to get them.
5) Massive world conspiracy involving all of the above.
Who actually supports Team Tendler? Other than relatives.
So let me see according to the latest “conspiracy theory” several women have produced numerous authentic audio tapes, DNA evidence, have fooled the entire Torah world from right to left, forced Team Tendler to file lawsuits in Ohio and California and then drop them, forced Team Tendler to publicly claim falsely that rasha Tendler I had been cleared by the dayanim of Monsey, went back in time and set up Aron and Shalom in California and forced rasha Tendler I to payoff one of the earlier accusers in a settlement agreement before the “secret cabal” of women even came on the scene.
Wow, why are these women bothering with Team Tendler when they should be taking over the world?
Of course there is a simpler explanation: Team Tendler are now drinking their own koolaid as few others outside their family will touch the stuff anymore.
August 26th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
If Tendler is in fact, suing one of his victims what are you KNH’ers doing to protect her? I know that you have wanted to do tshuvah and make amends after allowing so many women to be abused under your noses-so what are you doing to support his victim if she is, in fact baing sued?
Don’t tell me that you are letting him continue to abuse after all of your grandstanding. Here’s one for you to look up:
“tovel v’sheretz b’yado.”
(Pseudo prophet reader-let’s see if you know this expression too.)
August 26th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
Knh, in fact sent someone to speak to the victim, and the victim told this person that she doesn’t want or need their help!
August 26th, 2006 at 9:21 pm
It is very hard for KNH to help AM in her case against Rabbi Tendler. We are still co-defendants with in that case. If we help her win, then it is like committing suicide for our shul. It sounds harsh, but we have to try to save our shul too. If it weren’t for AM’s lawsuit against us, she would have support from us, including financial support from KNH members to help cover her legal fees.
August 27th, 2006 at 12:15 am
Really anonymous? What specific kind of help was offered?
Help testifying against Tendler?
Help paying enormous legal fees?
Help supporting her through the trial?
A written or public apology for maligning and hassling her for years on end at Tendler’s request?
What exact help did this alleged “helper” offer?
August 27th, 2006 at 4:22 am
KNH’ers:
The smartest thing that you can do now is build up the plaintiff. She is fighting the most crucial of wars for you-if there is anything you can do to help her and strengthen her (I would start by begging her for forgiveness for being so shitty to her for so long) that will help you, both on a spiritual level and as far as your law suits go.
When she wins against Tendler half of your work will be done for you, and when you make amends and rally around her, you will sleep better at night as well. (or perhaps you have been sleeping well all along, which wouldn’t surprise me considering the general level of ethics in NH.)
August 27th, 2006 at 5:02 am
Critical:
You are a moron.
The “KNH’ers” don’t give two hoots about the plaintiff or any of the other women. All they care about is saving their asses in court and getting their precious shul back to save their male egos.
If they gave a shit-they would be out on Tendler’s lawn picketing against him for daring to sue her and keep abusing her.
Get out of your dreamworld.
August 27th, 2006 at 8:04 am
You are all dispicable and pathetic. What a sewer of a society you all are. This is what happens when people think they are “frum”, as in its proper translation from the German “superior”.
Thinkgs like this just don;t happen in Cleveland. Is anyone in Monsey left who is NOT suing each other in a civil court? Is there a correlation between your shtletl having the most beis din per capita in the universe and the fact that no one listens to any of them?
And your real estate is absurdly overpriced as well. Of course, that can be blamed on Michelle Tendler as well.
August 27th, 2006 at 10:43 am
As someone who was formerly in New Hempstead, let me say this about that:
1. Tendler was a total disaster. The man is not fit to be a rav. You fools who followed him have my pity. How can you be so naive? Those of you who still follow him as rav have more than my pity, you have my sorrow.
2. New Hempstead was crippled by Tendler. First, he caused a large group to break away and set up a new shul, which was first no-Rav, then Rabbi Chill, and now Rabbi Schabes. That shul was necessary because Tendler is so unfit to serve as a spiritual leader. That shul, in turn, had problems. First there was a huge bitter beis din with Tendler. Thanks, Tendler, for that. Tendler’s egotism and childishness caused the New Hempstead community to split. Instead of achdus, we had machlokes. Carpools split up; friends became enemies. And this situation lasted for year up until hayom hazeh.
3. Meanwhile Tendler built himself up again, promoting himself as the greatest rAbbi since Rambam and maybe Moshe Rabbeinu. He developed a cult following of people who did not know better, people who appeared to have a childish need to follow someone, to believe in someone. Tendler said, “believe me me for I am the greatest” and they did. And some still do, to my astonishment.
4. Tendler’s atrocious behavior as rav has caused a number of otherwise well-meaning and sincere people to turn their back on Torah. He has caused any number of other people to become, if not totally secular, very cynical.
Tendler should have been thrown out of New Hempstead a long time ago.
The rabbis should have seen to it he was tossed out long long before it became an issue.
There is a great need for leadership in the Jewish community. Had there been a real leader, somewhere, there never would have been a “Rabbi Tendler”, a man who had no hesitation about calling himself a Jewish leader.
August 27th, 2006 at 5:40 pm
Amen, there is a very big need for a Rov in the Spring Rock, Bridle, and Barnacle Area. We have noone down here, and the whole area is frum. I don’t think I have a childish need for someone to believe in, but I would like a Rov to bring in some Ruchnius into my life and be an inspirational role model.
August 27th, 2006 at 6:05 pm
Well, I disagree. Ohaiv Shalom has a fine rav. Almost everyone at Ohaiv Shalom likes him a lot. Sorry you don’t but you can’t please everyone.
August 28th, 2006 at 4:12 am
jeffrey f. cohen, esq. Says:
August 23rd, 2006 at 7:52 pm
How is it that Tendler can complain that he did not have the benefit of a Beth Din to adjudicate the allegations of sexual improprieties made against him because he was not given an opportunity to be heard…..
His claim is particularly fallacious in regard to the RCA. The RCA constitution, available at Rabbis.org, details the procedure for a member charged with an ethics violation. Improprieties of a sexual nature will be brought before the executive board while other accusations will be brought before the vaad hakavod. The RCA bent over backwards to bring MT before the Vaad hakavod and offered him every opportunity to come and defend himself. As a member of the RCA, being bound by their rules, the RCA could have booted him for not co-operating with the investigation thus not complying with the rules that he agreed to when he became a member. The RCA has no obligation to call him to a Bais Din when he violated the rules he agreed to keep when he became a member.
A secular court may not make rulings affecting persons not parties to the litigation. So, if Tendler petitions for and accepts an order from a Beth Din preventing KNH or anyone else from interfering with his parnosseh when KNH and anyone else was not a party before the Beth Din, then he must equally recognize and accept the logical extension of this that a Beth Din can issue edicts against persons even when those affected person(s) are not even parties to the lawsuit.
Bais Din does not issue a psak against someone who is not a party to lawsuit. They can in unusual circumstances issue a psak against someone who is a party to the law suit but refuses to show up. What they also can do is issue an IKUL, which is the equivalent of an emergency injunction or TRO, against someone who is a party to the suit pending appearance his before Bais Din. The Ikul is typically to maintain a status quo until the parties came to Bais Din. In this case the claims in the derivative lawsuit are false, because Agudas Harabanim never issued an Ikul and KNH was not a party to Jerusalem Bais Din suit that MT filed but never pursued. The only exhibit attached to the suit is a copy of MT’s contract. KNH should demand that they produce the other documents that they claim KNH is violating. BTW did anyone send a copy of the March 5th N.Y. Post to the Jerusalem Bais Din? or the two civil suits for that matter? Furthermore the derivative suit claim that “In accordance with Jewish law” means “the decision of a Bais Din”, is also false. Shulchan Orech is very clear on this matter and MT has already been properly dealt with according to Jewish law.
AND….. If the plaintiffs in the derivative lawsuit claim to represent the real KNH, then I think someone should notify Adina’s lawyers and these people, who were board members at the time the alleged incidents actually occurred, should be added as defendants to Adina’s lawsuit. Then let’s see if they still claim to be the real KNH.
August 28th, 2006 at 5:41 am
Do you realize that Tendler caused quite a few Baalei Tshuva types to turn away from Torah Judaism and embrace a completely secular/traif lifestyle? People who had made difficult changes in their lives, taken their kids out of public schools and taken on the cost of tuition, who had became Shomer Shabbos, sometimes having to change careers because of it, who had become strictly kosher consumers, who had broken with family and friends, all for the sake of Torah, have now thrown it all away in disgust and cynicism and disbelief based on Tendler’s antics. Tendler has caused many people to lose faith in Hashem and certainly any interest in Torah. In other words, Tendler’s influence on these vulnerable people is the exact opposite of what a rav is supposed to accomplish. There are those among us, ffb types, boro park types, who don’t care one way or the other about whether baalei tshuva stay frum. But that is not the right attitude either. When you drive a man and wife away from Torah, you also drive by necessity the children away, and their children, so Tendler’s destructive impact affects GENERATIONS of Jewish souls. It leads to total assimilation, intermarriage and eventual snuffing out of the pinteli Yid among those he drives away from Torah. This is the legacy of New Hempstead, and one reason we moved away.
August 28th, 2006 at 8:10 am
To Wise Observer: Rabbi Tendler’s efforts, outreach and acceptance of people, was the only reason those “few Baalei Tshuva types” were Frum at all. There was a reason so many wanted to Daven by KNH - it was because they were comfortable, because Rabbi Tendler made them feel comfortable. It was Rabbi Tendler’s “influence on these people” that made them Frum to begin with. Do not confuse the issues. Whether the Rabbi (and he is still a Rabbi) is guilty, is something that will (hopefully sooner rather than later) be decided in a court of law that meets public opinion. But do not downplay and erase all the good that Rabbi Tendler has done. Whether or not you believe Rabbi Tendler is guilty today, should not make you forget that it was only yesterday that so many called Rabbi Tendler in their time of need. In fact, everyone knew that when something needed to be done, when help was need, the first and only person to call was Rabbi Tendler. People like David Pollack and Jeff Cohen know this. The people on this blog who live in New Hempstead, know this. People who live in Monsey know this. In fact, anyone who had a problem knew this. There is no denying it.
August 28th, 2006 at 9:22 am
Rabbi Ciner is an excellent Rov, but he does not live in the neighborhood, and it is important to have a Rov who lives in the neighborhood and understands what is going on down here. It’s been two years since he has been hired, I don’t think he is going to move down here.
August 28th, 2006 at 10:22 am
//Do you realize that Tendler caused quite a few Baalei Tshuva types to turn away from Torah Judaism and embrace a completely secular/traif lifestyle?//
Sorry Mr. Observer, I don’t buy into that theory at all. Its pure hogwash, unless you mean that Tendler held a gun to their head and said don’t be frum.
Every one has nisyonos, everyone gets tested, whether its a death of a loved one, illness, loss, or a rabbi run amok. So go sell your liberal blame Tendler for everything from Katrina to 9-11 to everything else bad in Jewissh society because there was a hell of a lot wrong before him and there will still be after he’s gone.
August 28th, 2006 at 1:50 pm
Anonymous Says at 10:22 AM: Generally I don’t respond to irrelevant posts such as yours, but there is an issue here, and it has nothing to do with liberal/conservative, Hurricane Katrina, 9-11 or any of the other irrelevant issues you raised.
The fact is: a person is influenced by his rav. If a rav can influence a person to be a better Jew, then by logic a rav can influence a person to be less of a Jew. A rav by his example can influence a person to be more observant, or less. In Tendler’s case, by his behavior, he influenced many people to become less observant. This is a simple fact. This influence is all the more pronounced when a person has a weaker Jewish background or education.
Tendler did not hold a gun to their head and tell them not to be frum. He did something much worse. He made a mockery of Torah, a travesty of frumkeit, and by his actions convinced some people that they had been fooled into becoming frum.
If you can not understand or accept that, that is OK. Not everyone is zoche to understand human nature. But what I write here on this blog is a fact.
August 28th, 2006 at 2:04 pm
Anonymous, don’t be so quick to dismiss what Wise Observer wrote. He is correct. A number of NH families have had their faith seriously shaken (BTs and FFBs) regarding the whole situation with Rabbi Tendler. In many cases, those people no longer trust the Rabbinic system, after seeing how corrupt Bais Dins are and seeing how easy it is for Rabbi Tendler to abuse the frum “system” for his own benefit for so many years.
At least one woman became totally not frum after she was one of Rabbi Tendler’s direct victims. She had been a basically normal frum woman. She is no longer frum at all, got divorced, and is now married to a Muslim (no joke). She is ultimately responsible for her decisions, but she openly blames Rabbi Tendler for sexually abusing her and turning her off to anything Jewish.
August 28th, 2006 at 3:16 pm
There are people in NH who were not abused by Tendler, but who have reacted to the news about his behavior by turning away from Jewish observance. Criticize them if you wish, but for some this is the most normal reaction to chillul Hashem. How many aveiros, both b’mazid and b’shogeg, have been created by the non-Torah behavior of the failed “rabbi” of New Hempstead?
August 28th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Article regarding Shaya Boymelgreen, the owner of the building that houses the pro-Tendler Jewish Press.
see: ...
Hat-tip FailedMessiah
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Attorney General Eliot Spitzer is examining a claim by 200 construction workers that developer Shaya Boymelgreen failed to pay overtime for the past three years — the same charge that is being heard in a separate class-action suit at state Supreme Court, — a source in Spitzer’s office said.
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Spitzer’s lawyers are also arbitrating complaints from Park Slope condo owners who bought Boymelgreen apartments only to discover that the windows didn’t keep out the rain, walls weren’t properly insulated and bad engineering meant moldy cellars.…
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August 28th, 2006 at 6:24 pm
jewishwhistleblower posts yet another message that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
August 28th, 2006 at 7:16 pm
To Anon 8:10
your post sounds like the Lebanoneze talking about the Hizballah!
The Hizballah helped everyone in Lebanon … with medical aid, set up schools and hospitals …..
August 28th, 2006 at 7:23 pm
To Anonymous 10:22
Your theory is just that .. a theory …
Here are the facts ….
There are atleast 3 victims that we know that became not frum as a direct result of Tendler’s despicable actions .. …
Tendler and all his enablers are never getting out of Hell!
Kesivah vachasimah Tovah
August 28th, 2006 at 8:09 pm
Wise Observer August 27th, 2006 at 10:43 am Says:
“There is a great need for leadership in the Jewish community. Had there been a real leader, somewhere, there never would have been a “Rabbi Tendler?, a man who had no hesitation about calling himself a Jewish leader. ”
How true. Maybe it’s time for Yiden to drop our sacred national sport, sinas-chinomball. New Hempstead Yankees against Tendler Red Sox today at Giants stadium, Ari Teitelbaum vs Zoli Teitelbam at Shea tomorrow. And the list goes on. But hey, one’s gotta make a living, and if he can have a little fun in the process why not? Tendler probably got a bit jealous of Gene Simmons, maybe he wanted to beat him. Only thing is, in order for him to make it into Guness’ book of records he will have to lose a big lawsuit.
August 28th, 2006 at 8:13 pm
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August 29th, 2006 at 6:17 am
Yossi (Joe) Izrael: The problem with Tendler has nothing to do with “sinas chinom” which is baseless hatred. Tendler was and is a real problem that required a response. There was not baseless hatred toward Tendler, but a real concern by serious people about a real problem that hurt (and continue to hurt) lots and lots of people.
One of our problems is that people often misapply halachic imperatives. For instance, the issue with Tendler is neither Sinas Chinom nor Lashon Hora, though many people refused to deal with the problems Tendler was creating after citing, erroneously, those principles.
We need better education as to what our commonly referenced principles do and do not mean.
Some Rabbonim, as soon as they heard that Tendler was involved sexually with women in his shul, plugged up their ears and cried “Lashon Hora”. And ignored the situation thereafter. That is not leadership.
We need to differentiate between what is purely Lashon Hora, to which we are supposed to shut our ears, and real issues that need to be dealt with. Until we reach that point, we are like a bunch of little children reciting our ABC’s and feeling proud of ourselves.
August 29th, 2006 at 3:22 pm
I notice in the main action against Tendler that for the 11-SEP-06 Prelimenary Conference that there are 3 sets of lawyers listed for the 2 Defendants.
Can someone clarify why?
1) MALLOW KONSTAM & HAGER
2) MOLOD SPITZ & DESANTIS
3) WILSON ELSER MOSKOWITZ/EDELMAN
August 29th, 2006 at 6:13 pm
Clueless chicken choker, does anyone really give a crap anymore?
August 29th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
Wise Observer,
You see sarcasm where there is none.
I meant what I said seriously. I guess you don’t know who Gene Simmons is, otherwise it would have been impossible to misinterpret my message.
In any event what I meant that Jews like to make machlokes and sinah as national sport. You’re right that it is not directly connected to the Tendler case per se, but because of it people took sides and started to fight each other regardless of what Tendler did or didn’t do. It turned into a multiple-team tournament of fighting for no (or little) reason, as you (or someone else) pointed out. That was all.
One thing is certain - Tendler doesn’t hate women.
August 29th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
Tendler tries to drop lawsuit against bloggers in California, but we will hold his dirty little feet to the fire, and will not allow him to drop it this time, now he will have to play this out in court …..
see my blogg ...
August 29th, 2006 at 8:39 pm
We are doing a serious study on the married couples that Tendler counseled.
If you were counseled by Mordy Tendler and you are still married to the same woman, we are very interested in talking to you …
Everything discussed will be strictly confedential.
you can reach us at our blogg
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August 29th, 2006 at 10:59 pm
So to summarize.
1) Team Tendler drops court application in Ohio that they started.
2) Team Tendler drops application in California that they started.
3) Both Team Tendlers’ lawyers in Ohio and California are now getting off the record.
4) Despite trying to pull the wool over the courts’ eyes yet AGAIN, all they managed was a mere one month delay and more documented conduct which will ADD to the ammunition for the bloggers when we go to court in October with our Motion that Team Tendler and all its disappearing legal team clearly fear, and for good reason.
Folks, all the dirty tricks in the world won’t save the sinking ship that is Team Tendler.
Team Tendler can file a million legal filings, but will they ever actually show up for court, for discoveries? Of course not.
Did they co-operate with the Praesidium investigation? No.
Did they show up to the RCA beis din Hakavod? No.
Did the dayanim of Monsey clear them as claimed publicly? No.
Did anyone other than Tendler relative Moshe Faskowitz resign from the RCA? Not one.
Has anyone they demanded resign from the RCA resign? No.
What happened with everything in the Jerusalem beis din? Nothing.
What happened with the corrupt bais din they went to in NY? Nothing.
Will Tendler make himself available for discoveries, depositions? Will Tendler move the lawsuits forward quickly to get to court? Will he provide the court with DNA? Folks, if you don’t know the answer to these 3 questions, you haven’t been paying attention.
Where is Tendler’s new pulpit position? What Rabbinical organization is supporting him?
August 30th, 2006 at 11:15 am
KNH changed lawfirms on the AM v KNH / MT lawsuit. Daniel Schwartz is out, Sal Desantis is the new attorney. There has been a substitution of counsel.
KNH obviously wisened up and booted Constam.
Congratulations to the new Board at KNH for a very smart move.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:47 am
Agreed. The KNH people showed once again how NAIVE they are. They hired the Constam firm, which employs Danny Schwarz as as associate. Danny had already represented Mordy in the past. What kind of fool hires the lawyer who once represented the person you are suing? The dumbest ignoramus knows not to hire such an attorney. KNH people are NAIVE. They were NAIVE to follow Mordy and they were NAIVE to hire Mordy’s lawyer as their own in a case against Mordy. Wake up little people of KNH! You let loudmouths and phonies lead you around by the nose.
August 30th, 2006 at 11:49 am
To anonymous at 11:15am.
From what I was told Danial Schwartz’s firm withdrew as counsel, they were not “booted” off the case, but I could definitely see the possibility that KNH wanted him off the case due to a perceived conflict of interest, and his support for MT in the past. Either way, I agree its a very good move and most definitely in the best interest of KNH.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:46 pm
>KNH changed lawfirms
>…
>Daniel Schwartz is out
How long have I been saying they should do this? From day 1.
Danny boys’ representation ensured that there was no settlement and the absurd motion just played into Team Tendler’s hands, lengthened the litigation, incresed legal fees and led to additional lawsuits and bais din nonsense against KNH and its directors.
Danny boy was simply the wrong person for this type of litigation.
Removing Constam and Schwarz was the first smart move KNH has done since booting Tendler.
If KNH officials were smart they would follow up by making an immediate unconditional written offer to the Plaintiff to settle her lawsuit offering at least the same settlement amount they previously offered to Tendler over no more than the same time frame offered Tendler and offering a written and possibly a published apology to the Plaintiff for their conduct towards her. KNH would then be able to focus their attention solely on the counterclaim against Tendler to recoup the settlement funds from him.
That would be the smart move.
August 30th, 2006 at 12:58 pm
Thank our Prez of KNH and his Board.
>If KNH officials were smart they would follow up by making an immediate >unconditional written offer to the Plaintiff to settle her lawsuit offering at least the >same settlement amount they previously offered to Tendler over no more than the >same time frame offered Tendler and offering a written and possibly a published >apology to the Plaintiff for their conduct towards her. KNH would then be able to >focus their attention solely on the counterclaim against Tendler to recoup the >settlement funds from him.
>That would be the smart move.
AGREED
Watch out Team Tendler. More tricks up KNH’s sleeve to come very very soon.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
I have long maintained that it was DS, esquire who saved MT’s hide at that fateful membership meeting in March 2005. If DS hadn’t gotten up there and ‘trashed’ the RCA report, we would not have been in the trouble that we’re in now. He was the one who got up there and said that he got the report and read it cover to cover and found nothing damning for MT. He said he could poke holes in the entire report. Etc. etc. etc.
MT went into that meeting with one leg out of KNH and left the meeting with a standing ovation and a full, supportive congregation. I pin that change squarely on DS’s head.
Having said that, let me be clear: I know DS and he’s not a bad guy at all. I firmly believe that he did what he thought was right. But I am upset at him for never apologizing for his errors in judgement. We all make mistakes. But it is the best among us who recognize them and admit them.
August 30th, 2006 at 2:56 pm
Danny boy represented KNH. His obligation at the time was to do his due dilligence in terms of rasha Tendler in order to protect KNH.
Did Danny boy do his basic due dilligence like actually checking with the dayanim in Monsey whether they cleared Tendler?
Did Danny boy take reasonable steps and inform KNH of reasonable steps they should take in order to protect KNH’s interests?
Danny boy’s job was to protect KNH’s interests, not make Tendler’s case to the RCA, the membership of KNH and the general public in comments on my blog.
August 30th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
In hindsight everybody is now smart. I think at this time we should lay off DS, no use crying over spilled milk ….
Let’s get together and kick Mt out of Town … this should be our goal ..
Everybody made mistakes
August 31st, 2006 at 8:21 am
NEW HEMPSTEAD NEWS: REPORTS
Tendler’s lawsuit against New Hempstead News and other bloggers which was set for a hearing September 7, in California, was dismissed by Tendler without prejudice, which means that at least in theory, he could come back to file the same request for subpoenas all over again.
Tendler’s lawyer never even bothered to send our lawyer, Mr. Levy, a copy of the dismissal, our lawyer, only found out after Tendler’s lawyer got the clerk to take our hearing off the calendar.
Our lawyer Mr. Paul Alan Levy of Washington D.C., went back to court to get the hearing back on the calendar, because we are suing for legal fees.
Meanwhile, both Mr. Fleisher (Tendler’s Ohio lawyer) and Mr. Guevara (Tendler’s California lawyer) attempted to argue that Tendler had terminated their representation, so that giving them notice of the hearing was ineffective.
What Tendler is trying to do is to “slither” away from the situation and avoid accountability for attorney fees.
Our lawyer told his now former lawyers, that having failed to obtain court permission for substitution of counsel they could not get out of their role.
They then showed up at the special hearing on getting the SLAPP motion back on the calendar and argued against letting our anti-SLAPP motion go forward.
However, the judge reset the motion for October 12.
Tendler’s California lawyer said he was planning to withdraw and would substitute counsel.
So the bottom line is this …
The Pervert of New Hempstead (Tendler) wanted to scare us to stop blogging. So he first sued Google in Ohio, that they should reveal to him our identities.
At the last minute he dropped that lawsuit.
Then he went to California and sued google again, that they should reveal our identities, this time we filed an anti-SLAPP motion, suing him for legal fees. At the last minute he tried to drop this lawsuit as well.
This time we won’t let him and we want to play this out in court!
Tendler will now have to be a big boy and fight us in court.
This means that Tendler will now have to pay serious money to a lawyer to sue us and to defend himself in our anti-SLAPP motion!
This was always our prediction …
Tendler is afraid of courts and Bais Dins …
he will sue sue and sue , but at the last minute will withdraw, because he knows very well that everything we print is 100% true … and that we will back up everything we print!
Have no fear KNH! Have no fear Victims of Tendler!
We have all the proof you need. Go ahead and sue him!
September 1st, 2006 at 4:22 pm
Wheres Jeff Cohen, this blog sucks without his comments. Did he finally get a case. Naaa.
September 1st, 2006 at 5:39 pm
Did so!
On the subject of Mr. Schwartz, my opinion is that your criticisms are unfounded. While I have and had strong disagreements with him on a number of matters, DS is one of the most intelligent, engaging, articulate, and straight forward people, not to mention attorneys, I have had the pleasure of knowing. Plus his fortitude in continuing to be a Shomer Shabbat Jew when he earns his living predominantly as a matrimonial attorney in the cesspool of divorces in the orthodox Jewish community is, in my opinion, simply amazing. And to beat all, he has a wonderful voice.
In fact, I have asked him to sing at my funeral and he told me he’d be more than happy to and simply can’t wait for the oppoprtunity. He has even conceded to my requests to sing (just like Anthony Newley would) “What Kind of Fool Am I,” in honor of Rabbi Tendler.
Getting serious though, don’t use the blog for the kind of verbal vomiting going on. Keep your eye on the prize. The preliminary conference in State Supreme Court is coming up in the lawsuit by Ms. M. against Rabbi Mo. So, if you could have anything you want in terms of disccovery, what would you ask each of the parties to produce in terms of ‘hard’ (no pun intended)demonstrable (e.g., tapes, photos, etc.) evidence, and what questions would you ask the parties at their respective depositions.
When I do a depo, I always give my client a pen and paper and have him/her write down areas of inquiry that I should ask about. So, what are yours?
September 2nd, 2006 at 9:24 pm
We hear that MT is calling people for a minyon for Rosh Hashana at the Hempsted School directly across from KNH. Its time a few calls were made to stop this ourtrageous request.
You can be sure that we will not leave MT alone. Keep him in his house and daven there. DO you hear that Mrs. Shira T. We thought by now you and Yudi would have wisened up as the Englemans seem to have done. Even they are davening at Oheiv Shalom. Follow your friends and stay away from this monster.
It is a nauseating thought to think that MT will be within 200 feet of KNH on the holiest day of the year. This is outragfeous and must be stopped.
September 2nd, 2006 at 11:06 pm
Does Rabbi Tendler know Devarim 22:22 in this week’s parasha? Perhaps his minyan minions skipped it in today’s layning to avoid embarassing him.
September 3rd, 2006 at 1:31 am
Can anyone with direct knowledge clarify/confirm the recent kashrut controversy in Monsey which apparently involved non-kosher meat that was sold as kosher? As well as the extent of the problem (chicken and meat, the time frame this was going on).
Also can anyone confirm the reports that the person involved was caught doing similar nonsense several years ago and can you give the specifics.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:24 am
Confirmed: Hatzlacha grocery has been selling traif meat, disguised as glatt kosher, for at least six months.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:08 am
A letter was sent out by Rabbi Meir Benzion Levi 845-426-0178. Call him and ask for a copy of what he sent out regarding the meat at Hatzlocha Grocery. Seems it ony applies to meat sold last Tuesday and Wednesday only, except he is still confirming the facts and continues to investigate
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:12 am
Calls should be made to the Teichmans, Friedmans, Leibling about the chutzpah of them to daven across the street from KNH. STOP TENDLER FROM DAVENING IN ANY PLACE OTHER THAN IS BROTHEL HOME.
In addition call the School Board and let them know that a sexual preditor will be in their school. Thats the way to disolve this nefarious plan.
CALL THE SCHOOL BOARD, SEND THEM THE POST ARTICLES, SEND THEM THE AWARENESS CENTER WEBSITE INFO.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:50 am
Here’s a copy of one of the letters re: at Hatzlocha Grocery.
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September 3rd, 2006 at 10:54 am
We did not fight all this time to have this “animal” Tendler make a minyan in New Hempstead on Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur …..
While his two “Rebbetzins” sit there in their special chairs!
Rest assured New Hempsteadians that we will not allow this sexual deviant to contaminate the air of New Hempstead during these holy days!
If this should happen, we will be there in full force and not allow him to speak or act in any way as a Rabbi!
New Hempsteadians should call Rabbi Schabbos And Rabbi Cinner who signed a psak din that Tendler can no longer be a Rabbi in Klall Yisroel, and ask them to immediatly issue a public statement to stop this Chillul Hashem!
Rabbi Schabbos 362-6373
Rabbi Cinner 362-4535
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:00 am
Maybe Tendler can sell his “meat” at Hatlocha? I heard he has very tasty frankfurters! Sorry, I couldn’t resist….
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:24 am
His “meat” is not kosher
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:34 am
Simply, let them know who they are giving the keys to the school to.
Hempstead Elementary School
80 Brick Church Road
Spring Valley, New York 10977
(845) 577-6270
Mrs. Iraida Hada, Principal
Ms. Hazel Ortiz, Assistant Principal
Main Office 577-6270
Attendance Desk 577-6270 ext. 5602
Nurse, Mrs. Roeser 577-6270 ext. 5603
Kitchen 577-6270 ext. 5605
Psychologist 577-6270 ext. 5604
Social Worker 577-6270 ext. 5610
Central Registration 577-6062
District Infophone 577-6565
RASP Office/K Club 577-6141
Transportation 577-6494
September 3rd, 2006 at 12:51 pm
It should be emphasized that the owners of Hatzlacha Grocery are innocent and were the ones who exposed the gneivah of the buthchershop using the back of their establishment.
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:46 pm
If the owners of the grocery are really so innocent they should let us know what exactly was going on “in back” so we can prevent this from happening in other stores. So far, all we know is that everybody should kasher their dishes. Everything seems to be shrouded in mystery.
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:49 pm
I think that efforts to prevent MT from leading services in NH are terrific. I would suggest staging a demonstration regarding his propensity to lawsuits.
Get out with placards, call the press, and let him know that you aren’t going to let him sue you, the plaintiff or anyone else and get away with it. That is just as important as preventing a RH minyan.
September 3rd, 2006 at 3:50 pm
JWB is a fool if he thinks that anyone who works in Hempstead Elementary has control over whether Rabbi Tendler is allowed to rent space there. Kudos to JWB for giving us the phone number of the school nurse. Why not the janitor too? Sheesh.
Maybe (big maybe) the district BoE (which is mostly frum people) could stop Rabbi Tendler from renting space. The BoE has a blanket policy regarding renting space in the schools. If the “Religious Zionist” minyan of Pomona can rent space in Lime Kiln Elementary every single Shabbos, I can’t see how they can deny Rabbi Tendler’s request to rent space in Hempstead Elementary for Yontiff. If they deny Rabbi Tendler’s request to rent space, you can be certain that Rabbi Tendler will sue the district for some sort of discrimination. The BoE is not going to get involved in the Tendler mess. They have more than enough headaches to deal with with.
The real solution is what New Hempstead News wrote. Rabbi Ciner and Rabbi Shabbos must get involved if Rabbi Tendler is going to be stopped from davening in Hempstead Elementary. Public pressure is the solution, not hassling the school nurse.
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Hey prophet reader big shot. Why don’t YOU do something? You slink around, hiding behind a pseudonym, and do nothing while telling everyone else how to handle the problem. You are too chicken to state your real name you phony windbag. What have YOU done to help the problem other than tell other people what to do?
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Also, you don’t need Rabbi Schabes of Rabbi Ciner. If you chicken livered phonies had any guts, you’d take the situation into your hands, sign your real names, and take a real stand. As far as I am concerned you are all a bunch of yellow bellied weasels. First you follow Tendler around like sheep and then you hide behind phony names and blogs instead of actually doing anything. What a bunch of windbags. If you want to know my name it is Moritmer H. Snerd.
September 3rd, 2006 at 4:44 pm
>JWB is a fool if he thinks that anyone who works in Hempstead
>Elementary has control over whether Rabbi Tendler is allowed
>to rent space there.
Actually, Hempstead Elementary just has to check with their lawyers, given the allegations against rasha Tendler I, what their exposure is if anything happens at Hempstead Elementary or there is a future misuse of a copy of any key given to his koolaid crowd.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:07 pm
> Actually, Hempstead Elementary just has to check with their lawyers
Elementary schools do not have lawyers. The BoE has lawyers. Strike 2 JWB.
> or there is a future misuse of a copy of any key
No school gives out copies of their keys. When you rent space in nearly any public educational facility, the rental cost includes an on-site maintenance worker who must be in the building at all times, and is the person who unlocks and locks the building. This is required by the liability insurance that covers most schools and is simply good common sense. Strike 3 JWB.
Until Tendler is found guilty in secular court, the BoE will not prevent him from renting their facilities and expose themselves to a lawsuit. Even after he is found guilty in a CIVIL court, there is a good chance that the BoE would be powerless to prevent him from renting their space. Remember, we are not talking about a criminal suit at this point. A civil suit will probably have no impact under the district’s rental policy.
DR would be a good contact to confirm this stuff - for obvious reasons.
September 3rd, 2006 at 6:22 pm
>The BoE has lawyers
Correct, that’s who also represent Hempstead Elementary.
>Until Tendler is found guilty in secular court, the BoE will not
>prevent him from renting their facilities and expose themselves
>to a lawsuit.
1) There are no criminal charges, therefore guilt is irrelevent. Criminal courts find people guilty NOT criminal courts.
2) Based on the public allegations, if rasha Tendler misuses Hempstead Elementary premises, Hempstead Elementary could be libel.
3) What could Team Tendler sue Hempstead Elementary for? Based on the public allegations they can certainly deny Team Tendler ANY use of their facility.
September 3rd, 2006 at 7:25 pm
Pressure should also be put on the Baalei Tefilah …
There is no question in my mind that they would have Shomie Rosenberg as their Baal Mussaf!
I cannot understand how a person who destroyed and broke up countless families has the Chutzpah to still want to preside as a Rabbi and spiritual leader. What posseses this maniac?
And what about his crazy wife, why would she want to share her husband with Sharie?
Why is Dr. Sofier allowing his lunatic wife to keep davening at the Tendlers … is he blind or stupid?
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:05 pm
Shhhhhhhh Shhhhhhhh Shah!
Everybody stop saying Loshon Hora against Mr. Tendler and Mr. Hatzlocha Grocery! Don’t you know that Loshon Hora is as bad as murder, Adultery and Idolatry combined together!? What’s the matter with you guys? You just can’t conceive that everything is well and fine and excellent in our impeccable community?
Such things with lawyers and women and fornication and treif chicks and stuff only happen at the goyim, ah yeah, and those rushe modirn ortudox, but nish bei inz, chas veshulem. You should do teshuva immediately, it’s almost rosh hashona, and you haven’t yet sent your checks in to the Yeshiva and the ADMO”R and the ADminist”Ration! Shame on you!
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:06 pm
> There is no question in my mind that they would have Shomie Rosenberg as their
> Baal Mussaf!
Shlomie Rosenberg has not been davening with Tendler in a long time from what I hear. He davens at Rabbi Waldman’s minyan on Fairway Oval that opened 5 months ago.
I would expect that Rabbi Tendler’s brother and sons-in-law will be leading most of the davening.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:22 pm
JWB’s last message speaks for itself and needs no further response. LOL.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:24 pm
jerry wolfset and david resnick are members of the local school board call them. tell them they must do whatever is in their means to stop this chilul hashem from publicly having minyonim.
Call the school board and send them info on the sexual preditor MT. The Rabbi’s of Monsey must be advised of this as well.
Let him pray in his own home. Shira T is making calls to ensure a minyon. Call her and tell her to find better things to do with her time.
September 3rd, 2006 at 8:35 pm
Jerry Wolfset is not on the school board.
The list of board members:
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Everyone on the board is frum except for Price and Calhoun.
September 3rd, 2006 at 9:16 pm
Here is the ERCSD policy on public use of school facilities.
“EAST RAMAPO 1500 - PUBLIC USE OF SCHOOL DISTRICT FACILITIES
The Board of Education recognizes that the district’s buildings and grounds are a
valuable community resource which should be made available to the community for specific uses as long as they do not interfere with educational activities. The administrative regulations to this policy shall identify the uses that community groups may make of the school district’s buildings and grounds along with any insurance requirements and/or possible fees for said use.”
Tendler will claim that renting Hempstead Elementary does not interfere with educational activities, because the school is not in session on Yuntiff. He will also claim that his use (prayer) is no different than the use of the minyan in Lime Kiln Elementary (prayer).
New York State Education Law section 414 specifically excludes religious worship from the list of authorized uses of school facilities by community organizations. This is strictly enforced in New York City public schools. In Brooklyn, shiurim (religious education) are held in rented space in public schools, but never davening (religious worship). Even though it seems that the BoE could deny Rabbi Tendler’s rental request on the basis of section 414, the fact that they rent out the Lime Kiln Elementary every single Shabbos would make their denial of Rabbi Tendler’s request to be selective application of the law. Rabbi Tendler would sue. He might lose, but he’d surely sue.
The ERCSD policy does give the board the right to determine the rental fees. Maybe the best way to keep the Tendlers out is to approve their application for use of the school, but require a $1 million per day rental fee.
If the BoE rejects the Tendler minyan, the minyan will try to go to the ballroom at the golf course next door to KNH instead.
September 3rd, 2006 at 10:57 pm
My name is Daniel Bruce Fred Chaim Titsky Wolfstool Brinn Rat Poundmyass Shvartz. The insane tone on this blog has reached new heights. Because none of you faggots have lives, because your spouses are miserable slobs sulking in the knowledge that they live with you - you turn to this blog for some respite from your sick demented perverse lives. Kiss this.
Is Tendler in KNH? No. Can you deny him the right to pray? No. And why should even give a shit where he prays? Don’t you leppers have enough to worry about? Are you so well to do in New Hempstead that you can take the time to rant about this crap?
JWB you spineless and testicleless failed abortion - who gives a crap who the nurse in the school is. What’s your plan, that we call her and ask her to give Tendler some Tylenol when he walks in the school? Maybe the kitchen can prepare snacks. You are a RETARD. Did your parents have any kids that lived?
They say that the opposite of love is indifference, well you people are so obsessed with Tendler you are anything but indifferent. You must really miss him - end this crap and invite him back the way you fawn all over him instead of ignore him you may as well.
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:07 pm
“2) Based on the public allegations, if rasha Tendler misuses Hempstead Elementary premises, Hempstead Elementary could be libel.”
JWB’s mistake of libel/liable is actually quite funny in legal lingo.
I’d say “If JWB’s wife would lose a few pounds, she could be slander.”
September 3rd, 2006 at 11:56 pm
mordechai tendler has nothing left to lose. think about that. Why should he have shame? At this point what could he do that would be worse than what he has already done? And we all need to daven on rosh hashona - and with a minyon too, right?
Michelle is equally hopeless and desparate. These people need a ray of hope. A sign that they can somehow rebuild their lives and regain some spark of humanity. Give them something to hope for and you will give them the opportunity to allow themselves to be ashamed for their past deeds. Until then, they will just spiral downwards.
September 4th, 2006 at 9:34 am
>mordechai tendler has nothing left to lose.
How about hios remaining followers? His support from several rabbonim, his family, the Jewish Press and the Jewish Voice? The funds he uses to attack his neighbors in the pages of newspapers that are distributed in KNH. The funds he uses to harass his enemies in courts throughout Ohio, California and New York.
>At this point what could he do that would be worse than what he has already done?
If he continues to do the same is that not bad enough?
>These people need a ray of hope. A sign that they can somehow
>rebuild their lives and regain some spark of humanity.
Are you nuts? Such things have just encouraged them to attack and destroy their enemies.
If you understood his pathology you would understand that he NEVER will be ashamed.He has no shame. There is no dignity or compassion in the way they’ve dealt with anyone who’s been foolish enough to show them any kindness or tried to quietly get them to help their rasha relative. Put out a hand and you will lose several fingers, if not the whole hand. There is no peaceful resolution. Mordecai is no different than a drug addict and his family and friends are no different than enablers of his drug habit. Any compassion and Mordecai continues to feed his addiction and ends up further destroying more victims, those around him, his family and ultimately himself. If those around him had compassion they would have removed him from the pulpit long ago, sparing his family the public spectacle. Instead they protected him from any responsibility or consequences. The only way to deal with a drug addict is tough love NOT more money for hard drugs.
Whether it’s filing ridiculous lawsuits through proxies, filing a counterclaim that he will never follow through with or organizing a minyan directly accross from KNH, rasha Tendler I is sending a clear message that he is not done and not done with his enemies. Certainly, this is no sign of teshuvah, that they are “hopeless and desparate”.
If Mordecai, his family or friends want to do teshuva, it is up to them, not us. We must stand strong and stand against them and not feed his addiction even one bit.
Perhaps, when they all hit rock bottom they will accept the responsibility for what they’ve done, accept the consequences of what they’ve done and seek help and to return to Torah Judaism.
If so we will help.
Until then, we must stand strong and not give one inch.
That is the mistake in your logic. Every time you help them “save face? give him “a ray of hope”, he just gets more power to feed his addiction. There is no “saving face? anymore. He had countless opportunities and refused them all AND attacked and smeared those who tried to give him such opportunities. This is not about “saving face?. This is about doing teshuvah, accepting responsibility and consequences. Rasha Tendler has CHOSEN not to do teshuvah.
They have had every opportunity and they have chosen to throw those opportunities away.
We must act accordingly.
If they must hit rock bottom, so be it. Until they do teshuva they cannot be allowed to rejoin klal yisroel. While they continue to mislead members of klal yisroel to attack their neighbors through lawsuits, we cannot allow them a moment of peace, a ray of hope, an opportunity to rebuild or an opportuinty to do more damage to the neshamot of yiddim.
If they must hit rock bottom, so be it.
September 4th, 2006 at 11:41 am
Wow, I haven’t visited this blog in a while, and I am pleased to see how it has degenerated into the cesspool I always wished it would become.
Scandal after scandal canonist will be here to let the true B’nei Yisroel drag the perpertrators of sins through the filth the way God intended us to do.
Do not be silent rant on my friends and enlighten the world to evil nature of the rashaim in our community.
Don’t forget to check the Journal News police blotter every week in case a Jewish man was caught soliciting a prostitute. We need their names on this blog to prevent other Jews from the same fate.
As far as Tendler is concerned, well I just can’t judge him, as you see I am not fit to judge any Jew for that matter, I actualy was nichshal and mastrubated back in 1968, which posled me from aidus.
If it was not for that one incident I would have told the bastard to go to hell, but what is done is done, and I’ll have to be quiet for ever more.
September 4th, 2006 at 11:49 am
Rabbi Tendler appears to have the absolute right to rent out New Hempstead School for the Yom Tovim.
However, in my opinion, neither he nor any of those in attendance have a right to anonymity. So, in my opinion, I believe it is appropriate for the newspapers (jewish week, journal news,forward, ny post, daily news, ny times, haaretz) and the other media to be put on notice that a disgraced Rockland County rabbi accused of sexual misconduct, who was dismissed from the orthodox rabbinical organization, Rabbinical Council of America, and whose services were terminated by his former congregation, Kehillat New Hempstead, and who is currently the subject of a lawsuit brought by a woman claiming she was wrongfully seduced by the rabbi, will be [if it is true] holding religious services across the way from his former synagogue, in a public school in New Hempstead, Rockland County.
Additionally, in my opinion, I do not believe it is a problem for the names of those in attendance to be published. In fact, on this point, it may well be that some people who will be attending have already gone public in their support of Tendler by putting their names as plaintiffs to a current secular lawsuit seeking to have Tendler restored to his position as spiritual leader of KNH, and seeking huge monetary damages against individual members of the Board of Directors.
I am also of the opinion agree that that the community rabbis should take a stand and publicly declare that it is prohibited from attending these services.
Lastly, I repeat, pre trial discovery will be coming up in the Ms. M suit against Tendler. What is your wish list on items to be revealed and questions to be asked at respective depositions of Ms. M, and Tendler.
September 4th, 2006 at 1:43 pm
JWB is somewhat correct. A psychological profile was done on MT 2 years ago. Every step he takes has been predicted. The mental state he is in right now, his actions are very predictible. Anyone left at MT is there for support for his children not him. MT has no shame, Michelle is as sick or sicker than him, and don’t be surprised if brother Yacov is the baal tefila or Rosh Hashana either. Lets not forget the good ole Dr.
AND JEFF STOP TAKING ABOUT MS M. YOU SCHMUCK. IT ONLY HURTS THE CAUSE> STOP, STOP, STOP
September 4th, 2006 at 1:58 pm
TeamTendler’s new molesters
2 Child Molesters Join Team Tendler
As I’ve reported on Luke Ford’s blog. Team Tendler and Mishpachat Tendler have added 2 rabbinical child molesters.
1) Rabbi Ephraim Boruch Bryks Halevy
2) Rabbi Yom Tov Lipa (Lewis) Brenner Hacohen
Rabbi Moshe Faskowitz’s son maried Rabbi Ephraim Bryks’ daughter.
Rabbi Faskowitz is 1st cousin of Rabbi Mordecai Tendler’s wife Michelle. Faskowitz resigned publicly from the RCA condemning them in the Jewish Press in an open letter for their treatment of Tendler. A week later the Jewish Press clarified that Faskowitz was a relative of Tendler.
What a mishpocha.
September 4th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
Jeff-
why the call for deposition questions? What is your reason?
September 4th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
Hey prophet reader: have you any read any prophets lately? If so, which ones?
September 4th, 2006 at 7:43 pm
Time to tell the bitch Shira Teichman to go to hell!
Time to tell Sharie Sofeir That we know all about her trips to Israel to meet MT and screw him ….
September 5th, 2006 at 12:30 pm
What gets me is here you have a guy, MT, who wears a black hat and black clothes, who has people standing up for him when he walks into a room, who preaches all kinds of stuff involving the sin of going to secular courts, and all kinds of stuff about women, who people listen to, the papers quote and so on, and he turns out to be behaving in the very opposite form from what he preaches. Most NON JEWS would not do the things MT is accused of doing. So, I ask you: where is the superiority of the Torah lifestyle? when I was in yeshiva, the rabbonim referred to other people, outside the yeshiva world, as “behaimas”. What is the real truth? What is the real truth? Who are the behaimas>?
September 5th, 2006 at 12:52 pm
>where is the superiority of the Torah lifestyle? when I was in
>yeshiva, the rabbonim referred to other people, outside the
>yeshiva world, as “behaimas?. What is the real truth? What
>is the real truth? Who are the behaimas?
1) These fakers aren’t living a “Torah lifestyle” any more than the shaftai tzvi did.
2) There are “behaimas? both outside AND inside the Yeshiva world. A ““behaima? is defined by its actions and its conduct, not its garments or where it was educated.
Remember, the yetzer harah does not come dressed as a “behaima” or wearing a shirt labelled evil, the yetzer harah comes to us in disguise, cloaked in righteousness, to lead us off the straight and narrow path.
Do not be fooled.
September 5th, 2006 at 2:18 pm
Monsey Scandal (the kashrut one):
Breaking News at:
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September 5th, 2006 at 2:54 pm
Since the last rabbi I had tried to seduce my wife;
Since the last certified kosher chicken I bought, cook and ate was traif;
Since my son has told me he want to be a learner and it is my zechus to support him, and his family for life, though I have barely enough for my wife, and his siblings, and me;
Since a tzeddakah i have contributed to over the years has proven to be fake;
Since our community, including some leaders, are sponging off welfare when they don’t need it;
and since a fish talked in New Square and it was taken seriously in Monsey…
I hereby announce: I am mad as hell and I ‘m not going to take it anymore
September 5th, 2006 at 9:31 pm
The Monsey psak has come out concerning the treif chicken.
Can anyone confirm that this meat was also delivered to the Catskills / Bungalow Colony’s?
see:
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hat tip Yeshiva World, see:
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September 6th, 2006 at 12:27 am
Monsey Meat Scandal
The Jewish Press is 1st out of the gate with this scandal:
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I guess they accept the psaks of the dayanim of Monsey as long as it isn’t about their friend rasha Tendler.
I’d note that it’s good to see the dayanim of Monsey can make a quick investigation and publish a public psak without having to go to someone in Israel like Rav Elyoshav who is unfamiliar with the community. I guess kashrut will always be a more important issue than protecting our women from a sexual predator.
It appears that the Tendler koolaid crowd is already trying to spin this, see 12:26 AM at:
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Of course, the reality is that the psak found that it is prohibited
September 6th, 2006 at 12:41 am
Monsey Meat Scandal
The Jewish Press is 1st (or 2nd if you include Kosher Today) out of the gate with this scandal:
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Days behind, of course, the blogs.
I guess the Jewish Press accept the psaks of the dayanim of Monsey as long as it isn’t about their good friend rasha Tendler.
I’d note that it’s good to see the dayanim of Monsey can make a quick investigation and publish a public psak without having to go to someone in Israel like Rav Elyoshav who is of course not as familiar as they are with the community of Monsey. I guess kashrut will always be a more important issue than protecting our women from a sexual predator.
It appears that the Tendler koolaid crowd is already trying to spin this, see 12:26 AM at:
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Of course, the reality is that the psak found that it is prohibited to eat all meat from Shevach, not just as of the date the chicken was discovered. Thus it appears that the dayanim of Monsey have determined that Shevach’s meat was not kosher for a much longer period than the time frame than the time frame since rasha Tendler was publicly found unfit by the dayanim of Monsey. So the meat may have been treif for much the same period as rasha Tendler has been a Rav in Monsey. Or perhaps, one has always been as “treif” as the other, but now both stand revealed for what they truly are.
In my humble opinion, it was time for the dayanim to expose and be rid of both and to do so publicly.
Shevach is closed. Now it is time to publicly close down any minyan conducted by rasha Tendler and to rid the community of his koolaid followers, and to do so proudly and publicly.
September 6th, 2006 at 10:23 am
Rabbi Shabbes is giving a Shiur tonight at 8:30pm at Knesses Israel for women only. The Topic will be about the Kashering procedures as a result of the Shevach problem. The Shiur will be followed by an open Q & A session.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Why is it not Loshon Horah to discuss the “Chicken Affair” in Monsey?
Why was it Loshon Horah to discuss the “Tendler Affair” in Monsey?
Why was it “trief” to discuss the perversion of an animal with the name Tendler, who destroyed countless lives?
Why is it “kosher” to discuss and have shiurim about the chickens?
Why is it that countless housewives have to kasher or throw out their dishes ….
and will at the same time expose their families to the contamination of this animal Tendler?
When I figure this riddle out, I will close my blogg!
Happy New Year !
September 6th, 2006 at 7:37 pm
One final point …
Why is it all right to condemn and say that all the chickens at Hatzlocho grocery were
treif?
Did he have his day in Bais Din?
Did he have a chance to confront his victims?
Was he given every opportunity to defend himself?
The answer my friends is >>> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He was thrown out of his shul last night, without any Bais Din, without confronting any victims, and without given any opportunity to defend himself in any forum!
Why arn’t Tendler’s enablers screaming “fowl”?
Tendler had 15 months time to defend himself in front of the “Bais Din Hakoved” of the RCA, and refused with the argument that he already defended himself in front of Rabbi Hager’s Bais Din and Harav Zimmerman’s Bais Din and they “exonerated “him.
Turned out he did in fact face them but they found him guilty!
The RCA gave him every opportunity to face his accusers, he refused!
He took his board to Bais Din and then didn’t show and instead violated a rule of our Holy Torah and went to secular Court to sue for Breach of Contract.
Tendler was given every opportunity but decided instead to wallow in his filth.
May this year bring New Hempstead, health and wealth and time to enjoy them,
and may the Tendler’s leave our holy city and leave be!
September 6th, 2006 at 8:52 pm
Unfortunately, Monsey remains a community more interested in its shabbos cholent than in the vulnerable members of its community.
I would like to think Monsey has learned a lesson over the past days and months, unfortunately it hasn’t.
The arrogance and lack of contrition remain, as does the lack of teshuva and action by the community. Where is the leadership? Why does rasha Tendler continue to operate?
Oh well, I guess it’s time to draft questions for rasha Tendler AND KNH’s depositions.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
Pot Bust, Meat Scam Hit Kosher Companies
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September 6th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
JWB, you dick. All you know about what is happening in Monsey is what you read on the net. Big friggin deal. Take your attitude and go visit your best friend Juravel. You breath smells so bad from self righteousness we all look forward to your farts.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:48 pm
Anonymous 9:26 pm, if you can’t or won’t clean up your mess others will.
September 7th, 2006 at 8:15 am
jwb please go away. No one on this blog wants you here. You are a pest, a nuisance, and a distraction. No doubt, you have suffered trauma in your life. No doubt you were sexually abused. We all feel sorry for you. Now, please go back to your own blog and stop writing about this situation which you know nothing about.
September 7th, 2006 at 9:07 am
No.
Who cares.
Incorrect.
False.
False.
Who cares.
No.
Hope that addresses your nonsense.
September 7th, 2006 at 9:32 am
Reminder:
Prelimenary Conference in rasha Tendler civil suit I scheduled for Monday, September 11, 2006 with Judge Solomon.
September 7th, 2006 at 9:45 am
JWB was Winiarz’s first experiment in homosexuality. What is sad is that shortly aftere JWB came out of therapy for that Juravel played hide the afikomen with JWB. Then, sadly, unbeknowst to him at the time JWB went to Kolko for help and guidance and all he got was a helping hand with his pants down by his ankles. Poor JWB, when they do a movie on his life it will be called Once a Loser, Always a Loser. The lead song will be Why didn’t my parents abort me?
September 7th, 2006 at 9:50 am
jewishwhistleblower has been writing stuff he knows nothing about for many years. check out his abandoned blog for lots of examples.
jwb is a classic pest. the best way to deal with him him is to ignore him. everyone ignors vicki, and now we barely hear from her anymore.
jwb has never been to new hempstead. jwb has never met tendler or his victims in person. jwb has never been to hatzlocho grocery. and yet he acts like he is the greatest expert in all areas.
jwb also acts like an expert in halacha (lashon hara, kashrut, etc), but he can’t even read hebrew! (he used to beg people to translate simple hebrew documents during the rca vs. tendler hearings).
jwb also could not handle getting beaten in debates on his blog. first he started deleting comments of people who debated with him. then he disallowed public comments, which made his blog useless. even jwb stopped posting there eventually.
jwb did some good work helping to publicize tendler’s actions, however he takes credit for loads of work that he played only a minor role.
September 7th, 2006 at 9:54 am
>You are a pest, a nuisance, and a distraction.
Ditto.
As well your posts lend nothing whatsoever to this discussion and they are not even clever.
September 7th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
I disagree with anonymous 950. How can you say JWB is expert at nothing? He is an expert at picking dinkleberries out of his ass. And his doctor loves him because when he asks JWB for urine, blood, stool and semen samples all JWB has to do is leave his underwear behind, saving the doctor the time and expense of wasting a few vials on the guy. JWB is also expert at creating loud flatulent noises with his mouth, as well as cupping his hand in his armpit to create farting sounds.
September 7th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
I am not convinced that JWB is a male. I believe JWB is either a fat ugly female with a terrible personality, or if male, a eunuch, homosexual, or castrato.
September 7th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
Anonymous 437 makes an incredibly insightful point, one worthy of admiration and respect. Kudos on your well-reasoned offering. You may be correct.
It has also been postulated that the Clueless Ankle Grabber is in fact a cadre of anti-semites or a member of the Aryan Brotherhood suffering from multiple personality disorder and trying to infiltrate the ranks of Orthodox Judaism. Clearly his thinking is on a level at or near a fourth grade level. That he sports a mullet and drools through 2 cracked front teeth is a given.
My apologies in advance to all fourth graders everywhere.
September 7th, 2006 at 11:14 pm
>or a member of the Aryan Brotherhood suffering from
>multiple personality disorder and trying to infiltrate the
>ranks of Orthodox Judaism.
I think you have me confused with racist, Orthodox educator and Beyond Teshuva blogger, Rabbi Mayer Schiller.
see A Split In the Racist Right:
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and
Beyond Teshuva blog:
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September 7th, 2006 at 11:24 pm
Jewish Whistle Blower
Keep up the good work. I am writing from Israel and think you are terrific, as is NH news. The personal attacks say much more about the attackers than they say about you.
September 8th, 2006 at 6:18 am
Jewish whistle blower, you are a royal pest.
September 8th, 2006 at 6:30 am
It has been pointed out many times on the Internet that JWB has a very big fan club of racist and anti-Semitic bloggers.
Here is the text that appeared on many sites, including JWB’s own blog:
JWB has a clear agenda of attracting negative attention to Orthodox Jews and Orthodox institutions, often based on flimsy rumors and innuendo. Look no further than his post about the Ramaz Yeshiva bus “scandal” to see how far he will stretch in a feeble attempt to shame any Orthodox Jew.
It should come as no surprise that JWB’s blog is admired by racist and anti-Semitic websites.
The “Badlands” is a white-supremacist and anti-Semitic site. That site lists JWB’s link right alongside a short list of other premier white-supremacist and anti-Semitic links such as:
Mark Godfrey’s Ontomia
The Refugee Camp
National Vanguard
The White Picket Fence
Little Geneva
…and has blog categories such as
For Fear of the Jews
The Holomocaust (sic)
Jews Hate Christianity
etc.
Birds of a feather…
September 8th, 2006 at 7:40 am
Why is it all right to condemn and say that all the chickens at Hatzlocho grocery were
treif?
Did he have his day in Bais Din?
Did he have a chance to confront his victims?
Was he given every opportunity to defend himself?
The answer my friends is >>> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He was thrown out of his shul last night, without any Bais Din, without confronting any victims, and without given any opportunity to defend himself in any forum!
Why arn’t Tendler’s enablers screaming “fowl??
Tendler had 15 months time to defend himself in front of the “Bais Din Hakoved? of the RCA, and refused with the argument that he already defended himself in front of Rabbi Hager’s Bais Din and Harav Zimmerman’s Bais Din and they “exonerated “him.
Turned out he did in fact face them but they found him guilty!
The RCA gave him every opportunity to face his accusers, he refused!
He took his board to Bais Din and then didn’t show and instead violated a rule of our Holy Torah and went to secular Court to sue for Breach of Contract.
Tendler was given every opportunity but decided instead to wallow in his filth.
May this year bring New Hempstead, health and wealth and time to enjoy them,
and may the Tendler’s leave our holy city and leave be!
One final point …
Why is it all right to condemn and say that all the chickens at Hatzlocho grocery were
treif?
Did he have his day in Bais Din?
Did he have a chance to confront his victims?
Was he given every opportunity to defend himself?
The answer my friends is >>> NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He was thrown out of his shul last night, without any Bais Din, without confronting any victims, and without given any opportunity to defend himself in any forum!
Why arn’t Tendler’s enablers screaming “fowl??
Tendler had 15 months time to defend himself in front of the “Bais Din Hakoved? of the RCA, and refused with the argument that he already defended himself in front of Rabbi Hager’s Bais Din and Harav Zimmerman’s Bais Din and they “exonerated “him.
Turned out he did in fact face them but they found him guilty!
The RCA gave him every opportunity to face his accusers, he refused!
He took his board to Bais Din and then didn’t show and instead violated a rule of our Holy Torah and went to secular Court to sue for Breach of Contract.
Tendler was given every opportunity but decided instead to wallow in his filth.
May this year bring New Hempstead, health and wealth and time to enjoy them,
and may the Tendler’s leave our holy city and leave be!
September 8th, 2006 at 8:13 am
I have heard rumors that JWB is a homosexual with a Jewish background who converted to Christianity and belongs to a strange homosexual cult.
September 8th, 2006 at 9:10 am
JWB is actually Rabbi Yossi Blau.
September 8th, 2006 at 10:08 am
Well, if JWG is Rabbi Yossi Blau, he should find another, more dignified hobby.
September 8th, 2006 at 10:37 am
What a bunch of “anonymous” morons you are.
To answer the above “claims”/smears: none of the above
September 8th, 2006 at 10:49 am
Suggesting that JWB is homosexual is really not the issue. He has a right to choose his sexual partners, even if they are of the same sex and close relatives. The point is that unless his gonads are exposed to huge doses of radiation he could actually inseminate a female if only for the purpose of procreating. That thought makes me wish my worst problem was eating Purdue.
September 8th, 2006 at 10:52 am
JWB you fascist, nazi-loving hypocrite, you put “anonymous” above in quotes, as if the many anonymous bloggers here don’t have the right to post here anonymously, when you were running around liked a scared little bitch crying for your momma when Tendler sued to get your identity. Now you’re back to your old ways but before that stupid lawsuit failed we all know you had your tail between your legs pissing your pants like a two year old. WWHHAAAAAA WWHHHHHAAAAA - that was the only sound you were making then, you Kofi Annan loving Jew hater. No wonder you are the ABers prag.
September 8th, 2006 at 10:55 am
JWB you queerbait, the above comments aren’t “smears” they are the cyberspace equivalent of us making you into a little BIOTCH.
September 8th, 2006 at 11:41 am
>you put “anonymous? above in quotes, as if the many
>anonymous bloggers here don’t have the right to post
>here anonymousl
Where do you come up with that conclusion? 100% wrong. You are welcome to post your nonsense 100%. It would help if you could come up with a better name than “anonymous? but do what you can with your limitations.
>when you were running around liked a scared little bitch crying
>for your momma when Tendler sued to get your identity.
100% wrong.
>Now you’re back to your old ways but before that stupid lawsuit
>failed we all know you had your tail between your legs pissing
>your pants like a two year old. WWHHAAAAAA WWHHHHHAAAAA
100% wrong. In fact, and this is documented, the only people with their “tail between their legs” were the members of Team Tendler who dropped their Ohio application in record time, dropped their California application unsuccessfully trying to have our Motion against them dismissed by the use of unsuccessful and questionable “dirty tricks”. Yes they delayed the matter by a month, but so what? We simply will get more costs. We will have them in court next month, with whatever lawyer or lawyers still represent them.
September 8th, 2006 at 11:52 am
JWB: you are definitely a faggot, queer, Homo pervert. It’s obvious to anyone who reads this blog. You give comfort and relief and nazis and anti-semites. why don’t you go visit a gay bar or something and leave us alone.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:24 pm
Here are some updates. Some of these items were reported here already.
– Tendler filed an appeal for the causes of action that Judge Solomon allowed to remain after Tendler’s original motion for dismissal. The full text of the appeal is below.
– Tendler strong-armed his weakest followers to sue the KNH board. (Apparently Teichman, Engleman, Liebling and Hirschorn were smart enough not to participate.) Yitz and Nitz Friedman and Simon and Lori Zarour dropped out after a few weeks. Yitz Friedman admitted that Tendler setup the whole suit and that he never even read the contents of the suit when he signed the papers presented to him by Tendler. Yitz’s decision to sue his own boss was not a good career move. The KNH defendants have filed multiple din torahs against each plaintiff for violating the halacha that forbids using secular courts.
– KNH’s change of lawyers is more involved that it appears. Tendler named Daniel Schwartz as one of the defendants in the countersuit (filed by Tendler supporters) despite the fact that Daniel Schwartz is not on the KNH Board of Directors. Tendler knew that by making Schwartz a defendant in a related suit that Schwartz’s firm would have to resign as counsel on the primary suit. It seems that Tendler hopes that having Abe Konstam off the case and forcing KNH to change counsel in the middle will help him. Mallow Konstam & Hager resigned. They were not fired.
– The wife of one of the KNH defendants verbally attacked two of the plaintiffs (J&S S) at a public event recently. The wife of the KNH defendant has every reason to be upset at them for suing her husband, since she was the shadchin who setup their marriage!
– The Tendlers are telling people that the reason everyone left KNH is because the community disapproved of the way KNH removed Tendler from his position as rabbi. Really? 90% of KNH left before he was fired, because he was still in KNH. The Tendlers are drinking their own kool aid.
– Perry D has been seen spending shabbat in New Hempstead and praying at Tendler’s house. His ex-wife is one of Tendler’s victims.
– No news from the Marinelli’s defamation suit against Tendler.
– The NY Post has a reporter watching the Tendler situation very closely and collecting information for a future story.
– Here is the Appeals Statement:
PRE-ARGUMENT APPEALS STATEMENT
In accordance with §600.17(b) of the Rules of the Supreme Court, Appellate Division, First Department, defendant Rabbi Mordecai Tendler, submits as follows:
1. The title of the action and the full names of the original parties are stated above.
2. The attorneys for the parties are as follows:
(skipped to save space)
3. This appeal is from the Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, County of New York (Solomon, J.S.C.) dated June 14, 2006. A copy of the Decision and Order is annexed hereto as Exhibit “A”. A Notice of Appeal of certain parts of the aforementioned Decision and Order has been filed by defendant Rabbi Mordecai Tendler. A copy of the Notice of Appeal is annexed hereto and made part hereof as Exhibit “B”.
4. This lawsuit involves allegations that the defendant Rabbi Mordecai Tendler induced the adult plaintiff into engaging in sexual relations with him over a period of years by making misrepresentations to her. In the Complaint, plaintiff asserts causes of action for fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, intentional infliction of emotional distress, negligent infliction of emotional distress and negligent retention.
5. The lower court granted Rabbi Tendler’s motion to dismiss the First Cause of Action for Fraud and the Fourth Cause of Action for Negligent Infliction of Emotional Distress. The lower court denied Rabbi Tendler’s motion to dismiss the Second Cause of Action for Breach of Fiduciary Duty and the Fourth Cause of Action for Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress.
6. The lower court erred in denying the defendant’s motion to dismiss the claims of breach of fiduciary duty and intentional infliction of emotional distress because these causes of action state a claim for seduction, which § 81 of the New York Civil Rights Law eliminated as a cause of action more than seventy-five years ago. Moreover, the lower court erred in ruling that the complaint states a cause of action for breach of fiduciary duty because no such duty can be found to exist in circumstances such as those presented in this case, in which plaintiff alleges she engaged in sexual relations with a man because of his reputation as an expert in women’s issues and as a man of god. Finally, the lower court erred in ruling that the complaint states a cause of action for intentional infliction of emotional distress because the allegations fail to raise to the level of extreme and outrageous conduct required to state a claim, and also erred in holding that the claims for breach of fiduciary duty and intentional infliction of emotional distress which are not time-barred.
7. There is no related action or proceeding now pending in any court of this or any other jurisdiction.
Dated: White Plains, New York
July 5, 2006
September 8th, 2006 at 1:05 pm
Perry D’s mother in law is an agunah, he emailed me a link to a blog about it that I can’t find right now, but Tendler was involved and she is still an agunah. He was foolish for letting Tendler get involved in the first place.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:05 pm
freeagunos.blogspot.com
Of course as soon as I hit submit I found it.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:25 pm
The sad fact is that our community leaders have failed agunot and as such they have created a void that has been filled by lowlifes that prey on these vulnerable women. Alleged predators like rasha Tendler I and his new relative Rabbi Ephraim Boruch Bryks.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:39 pm
JWB: you add NOTHING to this blog. Go bloviate elsewhere you loser.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
On behalf of homosexuals everywhere, I hereby condemn the comments referencing JWB and homosexuality. The only thing more disgusting than two men engaging in sexually gratifying behavior with each other is reading JWB’s posts.
September 8th, 2006 at 3:48 pm
Insider: You failed to mention that the other defendent in the derivitive, Joyce Simon, was the only one that signed an affirmation, she, like the Friedmans never met her attorney’s beforehand, never read the complaint, and signed the affirmation after Michelle T. raced to a local bank to meet her, pushed the papers in front of her and had a bank rep notorize her signature.
September 8th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
I am starting to feel sorry for the Tendlers. For, when all is said and done, this is a sad, pathetic story.
September 8th, 2006 at 5:11 pm
Insider whoever the hell you think you are, Konstam and the Tendlers are old time butt buddies from way back, which you wouldn’t know given you probably found yiddishkeit within the last five years like every other New Hempstead poser. Tendler and Konstam collaborated on many a divorce before all this broke and have stood side by side in court as well. So whatever konstam did in public, the choice of that firm originally was only slightly less retarded than the original lifetime contract they gave Tendler. MKandH was the choice only because Fat Danny thought he was a machir and needed to flex his gut
September 9th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
The poetic justice we have witnessed in Monsey is both awe-inspiring and breathtaking. How Great is our Lord Almighty! For while you were busy destroying a man, stepping on him, abandoning him and disgracing him, you were doing so in the comfort of your homes living your alleged frum lives, all the while eating meat as treif as McDonalds. Only the Ribbono Shel Olam can deliver so awesome a message, IN Ellul, IN Monsey. Incredible I tell you.
Even if Tendler is guilty the way you kicked when he was down was simply not normal. With friends like you who needs enemies. Every one of you, whether you lived on Barrie, Ivy, Brick Church, Spring Rock, Barnacle, Bridle - EVERY DAMN ONE OF YOU - knew where to turn before this broke for help. Whether you were screwing around on your wives, stealing your partners money, or couldn’t put two hebrew words together you called on Mordecai Tendler for help. If a school told you no, he intervened. If your wife threw your lazy ass out, he intervened. If your electricity was shut off, he intervened.
But, as always, GOD GOT THE LAST LAUGH. While you were so busy judging him so harshly, you were being judged. Don’t forget, shogeig or meizid is irrelevant. Tarfus destroys your neshomo either way. While you were so busy disgracing him, you were eating what might as well have been a McNugget Sandwich. TALK ABOUT TOVEL VSHERETZ BYADO!
And if you think you weren’t eating treif because you didn’t buy from Hatzlocho then you are simply uneducated about the scope of this disgrace. Because every Jew in Monsey, BAR NONE, ate at someone’s house, ate at an affair, a simcha, a dinner, that served TREIF. RAT POISON FOR THE SOUL!
What makes you think the Wosner, Ciner etc… piskei halacha mean anything? Breslauer’s hasgocho helped you? I told you from day one Wosner had his agenda and played you like a fiddle. But you knew better. Hey, pass the Purdue, would ya? Want a glass of Best Moo with that? Why not, trief is treif and you ate it, baby.
Did this happen in Lakewood, Boro Park, or Williamsburg? No. And its not like we found out an eiruv we relied on was possul, or some matzos were baked in the 19th minute a few years ago. THIS IS MEAT AND CHICKEN, FOR YEARS, AS FAR BACK AS YOU WERE CONDEMNING Mordecai Tendler. Payback is a bitch, ain’t it?
September 9th, 2006 at 8:26 pm
Who the hell are you, Annonymous 7:54, G-d??? Unless he appeared to you and told you that the chicken/meat episode happened is directly related to Tendler, keep your mouth shut. I was told that this same thing happened years ago in Flatbush and guess what, Tendler doesn’t live over there. In addition, people from Lakewood, Boro Park, and Williamsburg came to Monsey to chasunahs, to eat at relatives homes for yom tov. Why did these people eat traif, they don’t even live here and never met Tendler in their lives. These Purdue chickens were fed to innocent children in the bungelows and camps in the mountains, what did they do? Yes, it is Elul, it is less than two weeks before Rosh Hashana, and when you stand there in shul davening your head off you can tell G-d you know all His doing and all His intentions, cause you are a holy PRICK!!! Your payback for your malicious slander on this blog will be a bitch, watch your step mate.
September 9th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
Anonumous: The trief meat has been sold as long as Mordecai has being preying on his victums. Maybe that is the connection. Rav Breslauer deliberately avoided signing any decree against him. And most of the KNH members bought from either Monsey Glatt or Wesley Kosher.
You are completely self-deluded.
September 9th, 2006 at 8:53 pm
To Anonymous 7:54
You discusting Bastard.. How dare you?
G-d is punishing New Hempstead because of what we did to Tendler?
This low life scum fornicated with no less than five women that we know of!
Hey, on the subject of G-D, why did Michell’s brother get a stroke?
Dont tell us about MT’s good deeds … the Hizballah also does good deeds!
I’ll tell you the reason for the Treif foods (which by the way the Tendlers’ ate just like the rest of us)
because the Rabbonim all tolerated and kissed up to this FakePhoney and fraud for all these years …
All the Rabbonim saw that this sick bastard was destroying family after family and didnt thow him out ten years ago …
Thats whywe are all paying for this!
September 9th, 2006 at 9:03 pm
Rabbi Breslauer, who knew all along the truth about MT, and who had listened to the tape with 23 other Rabbonim …. stalled and stalled us when we begged him to sign the Teshuvah ….
We had told him at the time, that if he didnt act right away to stop this atrocity (MT), there would come a day that people will stop him from being a Mashgiach!
To Anonymous 7:54 …
Dont be so quick to know all the answers… G-D is watching you too!
September 9th, 2006 at 9:28 pm
754 here, and Resident of NH, you can go to sleep knowing you are guilty of kfirah. If you don’t think this is all related than you’re just a shoiteh.
Pollack, you are deluding yourself. Whether or not you bought from Hatzlocho, YOU ate the tarfus. Whether you know enough about the scandal or you are just delusional I have no idea, but rest assured YOU ATE TREIF.
Anonymous 853, I never said you were punished because of what you did to Tendler. What I said was while you were so busy kicking a dead horse you had your own problems. And you don’t know any five women he “fornicated” with. And even if he banged 500, maybe you should have been worrying about yourself. You think other men in New Hempstead don’t do the same thing?
All I see here is damage control, and I can’t stop laughing. The way you treated Tendler was overkill. The way you make fun of the Teichmans, Grossmans Friedmans is overkill. Jeff Cohen the windbag wants to picket the school on yom hadin. Maybe he should worry more about his own sins. Again, overkill. This isn’t about Tendlers guilt anymore, its about dealing with serious issues like mentchen, not like behaimous. MIDDAH KNEGED MIDDAH.
Like I said, payback is bitch.
September 9th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
Resident of NH not only are you a skank, you are a heretic. You talk tough, bitch, so next time I’m on Bridle lets see how tough you really are. Ellul or not, you can talk to your husband that way but lets see if you got the balls to back your big mouth up with me cause I will bitch slap some respect into your skank mouth I get the chance.
September 9th, 2006 at 9:33 pm
Someone give me one good reason why anyone would want to live in Monsey, or better yet New Hempstead. Just one logical plausible reason.
I remember a time when Monsey was called the Ear HaKodesh. Then again, maybe that is the reason its become the opposite. How dare we ever confuse Monsey with the true Ear Hakodesh. Never again.
September 9th, 2006 at 9:33 pm
New Hempstead News post that Bresaluer got what he deserved because he didn’t come out against Tendler is sick. Bresaluer is a tzadik, period.
September 9th, 2006 at 9:40 pm
Resident of NH where are you? Am I watching my step? I think not, bitch. Tell your husband to get off his porn sites looking at women that make you look like a squirrel so you can post where I can go to to pound your face like it was a Tyson’s cutlet.
September 9th, 2006 at 9:51 pm
One should always remember the Gemara (Bava Metzia 59a; Sanhedrin 107a) which tells us that after King Dovid’s incident with Bas Sheva, there were those who were probably concerned about the Halachic implications of his act and the Chilul Hashem, and if it was legitimized by him etc. and therefore they would ask King Dovid publicly: “One who has relations with a married woman, how should he be killed?? To which King Dovid replied, “He should be killed by choking but he has a part in the World-to-Come; however, one who embarrasses someone in public, has no part in the World-to-Come!?
Tendler may have done what he did, but he is not the only guilty one.
Another important halachah. When someone sees a rodef – someone who is pursuing someone else in an attempt to kill (or otherwise harm) him, he is obligated to save the victim at all costs; even if he must kill the rodef in order to do so. However, if he could have saved the victim by merely wounding the rodef, yet he chose to kill him, he is considered a murderer and is responsible for the blood of the rodef which he spilt unnecessarily.
Therefore, even if we assume that the blogs are permissible in order to protect victims from harm, and, of course, that is our primary concern, nevertheless, at the same time we are obligated by the Torah to take into consideration the perpetrator too. If we can protect the innocent victim by merely “wounding? the perpetrator we must do so. If we do more than we have to, then we have sinned and may be worse than the person we are attacking.
CERTAINLY WHEN THE PERSON WE ARE ATTACKING POSES NO THREAT TO ANYONE, THERE IS NO HETER (PERMISSION) IN THE WORLD TO DISGRACE HIM PUBLICLY OR EVEN PRIVATELY, FOR THAT MATTER. There is a specific Torah prohibition to say (even privately) to a ba’al teshuvah (a penitent), “Remember your previous acts.?
I am risking being naïve by assuming that I am addressing Orthodox, observant, Jewish people to whom the mitzvahs of the Torah have meaning and value, and, with the best of intentions, do not want to violate any prohibitions, certainly not Torah ones. If the blogs are just being run and participated in by a bunch of slanderers and gossipers who couldn’t care less about what is permissible and what is prohibited then I really am wasting my time here.
Finally, whenever the Chofetz Chaim teaches a rare situation when it is permissible to spread lashon hara, he always lists the conditions. One major condition is always that the one who is speaking has no personal gain and no ulterior motive. He is not the person’s enemy who regales at the opportunity to take “kosher? revenge at the person being attacked. Furthermore, he may never exaggerate or add any more detail to the story than is absolutely true.
That KNH as individuals and as a whole utterly failed in maintaning any semblance of propriety while destroying the Tendlers goes without saying.
You all pretended to be so kosher bashing Tendler, and you were all eating treif.
September 9th, 2006 at 10:05 pm
The gemara in B Kamma says that the rabonnim are inept only when the people are unworthy, so if we have bad rabonnim it’s all our fault and we need to do teshuva.
September 9th, 2006 at 10:24 pm
The Tendlers’ ate the Treif meat like the rest of us …
September 9th, 2006 at 10:31 pm
To anonymous 9:33
you write:
“New Hempstead News post that Bresaluer got what he deserved because he didn’t come out against Tendler is sick. Bresaluer is a tzadik, period. ”
NHN did not write that Breslauer “got what he deserved.” Those are your words …
But to say That Breslauer who for years beat the shit out of children in YSV is a “tzadik” is assinine!
G-D does not allow a “michshal” to go thru a “tzaddik” …
September 9th, 2006 at 10:38 pm
To Anonymous 9:51
you write:
“CERTAINLY WHEN THE PERSON WE ARE ATTACKING POSES NO THREAT TO ANYONE, THERE IS NO HETER (PERMISSION) IN THE WORLD TO DISGRACE HIM PUBLICLY OR EVEN PRIVATELY, FOR THAT MATTER.”
Tendler is a constant threat to everybody who has a wife or a daughter!
There is an obligation on everyone including Anon 9:51 to humiliate and “disgrace” this Sexual monster whenever you see him!
This is in fact a “Mitzvah Le’farseim” according to the Chofetz Chayim in his holy sefer “shemiras Halaoshon.”
September 9th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
I have exclusive info that Tendler came out of a hotel last week in NJ holding hands with SS
September 9th, 2006 at 10:48 pm
To Anonymous 9:51
You wrote:
“Finally, whenever the Chofetz Chaim teaches a rare situation when it is permissible to spread lashon hara, he always lists the conditions. One major condition is always that the one who is speaking has no personal gain and no ulterior motive. He is not the person’s enemy who regales at the opportunity to take “kosher? revenge at the person being attacked. Furthermore, he may never exaggerate or add any more detail to the story than is absolutely true.”
I am glad that you mentioned these conditions ….
Tell me one person that had any “personal gain” or “ulterior motive.”
Tell me one person on this blogg who is an “enemy” of Tendler.
Tell me one “exaggeration” or one addition to the story.
The fact is : No one had any personal gain or ulterior motive to take down this sexual deviant.
No one was his personal enemy … no one
And so far most of the Tendler “story” has yet to be told in public!
September 9th, 2006 at 11:00 pm
Hey folks….get a grip. All of Monsey got traif meat, not just New Hempstead. The traif meat was sold by a phony baloney chasid more interested in money than kashrus. It’s an old story and has happened many times and many places in the kosher food industry. As the Satmar Rebbe supposedly said: there is no more traif business than the kosher meat industry.
As far as Monsey and other “frum” centers go, money is the new avodah zara. Why is everyone chasing the Almighty Dollar with so many schemes? Witness the section 8 fraud, food stamp fraud, corrupt block voting for crooked politicians who allow crooked developers to rape and destroy our environment. Witness the friends stealing from friends, in our own shuls, and among neighbors in the Monsey community. The fact that there was a major breakdown in kashrus, perpetrated by a crook sporting a shtreimel and beard, should come as no surprise to those who been watching how Monsey operates. It is up to the rabbis to speak out and put a stop to it, but unfortunately, there are too many involved in the shtick themselves.
September 9th, 2006 at 11:13 pm
“”Tell me one “exaggeration? or one addition to the story.”‘
You’re kidding right?
This has to be the most retarded post ever, steeped in denial and idiocy.
September 9th, 2006 at 11:26 pm
UPDATE
I heard that Rabbi Cohen of the Blueberry Hill shul spoke about Tendler in his speech today when he talked about sinners who try to look frum (like the guy who sold the non-kosher chicken). He called Tender a chilul hashem for going to secular court. He also said that Tendler has no shame for his sins and is unfit to serve as a Rabbi. He asked how it can be possible for Tendler to lead a minyan on the High Holidays and give a sermon telling his followers how to lead proper lives, when he is a sinner.
Can anyone give more details of exactly what Rabbi Cohen said?
Some Tendler supporters used to claim that Rabbi Cohen believed that Tendler is innocent. Rabbi Cohen certainly does not seem to think so anymore.
There is a history of friction between Rabbi Cohen and Tendler. Until a few years ago, Rabbi Cohen was on the beit din of the Vaad of Monsey which was controlled by the Tendlers. Rabbi Cohen resigned from the beit din and withdrew his synagogue from membership in the Vaad because he disagreed with the way the Vaad’s beit din functioned. Tendler sent many requests to Rabbi Cohen to rejoin the Vaad (because the Vaad needed Rabbi Cohen’s shul’s membership money). Does anyone know more details about what Rabbi Cohen objected to in the operations of the Vaad of Monsey’s beit din?
For more on Rabbi Cohen’s speeches about Tendler, click here to see an old article on Canonist:
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(Be sure to read all of the comments that correct mistakes in the original article.)
September 9th, 2006 at 11:31 pm
To: Anonymous September 9th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Michelle, your family and you enablers lets get it right.
Mordecai Tendler should have been thrown out long time ago.
The rabbis, members, the community covered up for him for too long and took no action; instead condemned the witnesses. Tendlers’ destroyed their reputations, threatened and harassed them. The community participated. Tendler also was given many chances. He is a fraud, a charlatan He was kept in his rabbinical position because people believed him that his victims were more troubled then him because he is so compassionate. His compassion, his favors, his resume of good deeds was for one purpose and one purpose only. To abuse women, to use people. That’s right. He physically abused the plaintiff who filed a civil suit. He hired someone else to physically hurt a woman to release her get. He threatened others physically, blackmailed and blackballed people. That’s what you Tendlers do; threaten like you are here; claiming God punished the community with Treif meat; God will give you cancer for doing this to our Rav; God will make your lives terrible. What a bunch of fear provoking cultish disconnected people you are from God. Tendlers’ good deeds was telling his victims how much he loves and cares about them while facing the other way telling all else they are troubled, pragmatic, need help and bothering him. Just like his sick brother Aaron Tendler the child molester did to girls at his L.A. Yeshiva who he victimized. Tendler didn’t deserve time to abuse more, he was given that. And you didn’t cry out for any victims when they were treated as criminals, trashed, or ostracized; you didn’t cry for their shame or support them now. You are nothing to state here that Mordecai Tendler was wronged. Tendler is not a righteous person. He certainly isn’t God, the Messiah, the Messiahs assistance, a Rabbi; this is not our definition of them. Tendler is evil. That’s right. He threatened to kill people, he destroyed lives; he blackmailed and only did good things for others to appear companionate and get favorites returned. He made everyone owe him and believe in him because he gave them something. Child Molesters’ give candy too. That’s sick and evil. Mordecai Tendler had one purpose only-Power. And he still achieves that with you but not us and never will again
September 10th, 2006 at 8:10 am
To Anonymous 9:51
You write:
“THERE IS NO HETER (PERMISSION) IN THE WORLD TO DISGRACE HIM PUBLICLY OR EVEN PRIVATELY, FOR THAT MATTER”
How low will the enablers of tendler go?
To quote a Chofeitz chayim and distort it..
The Chofeitz Chayim Z”L in Perek 6 actually says that if one knows that somebody sinned and was warned and continues to sin then one
” should publically disgrace and humiliate him for generations, even in front of his own children”
We have an obligation to humiliate him, to taunt him, until he leaves us alone!
Anon 9:51 you and your cohorts will never get out of Hell ….
to continue this charade and pain to our town ….
September 10th, 2006 at 8:37 am
Well I hope Rabbi Cohen did take a public stand. That is what is missing, a rav who will take a PUBLIC stand against things that are REALLY REALLY WRONG around here in Monsey. We can get the usual dime store mussar anytime. We’ve heard it a million times, and while it is important, it is stale and old bread already. We can all give the usual mussar shmuez when called upon to do so. What is needed now is rabbinical leadership which means PUBLICLY SPEAKING OUT against the problems that are turning Monsey into the laughing stock of the Jewish world. Excpept it ain’t funny, honey. How about a refreshing dose of leadership, dear rabbis. Aren’t you supposed to be showing us what is good and what is evil. Talking in vague mussar generalities has gotten as old as last week’ choolent. There are some really bad things going on here that need addressing. Here are a few to get you started, in case you haven’t heard: 1. Rabbi’s f&cking the women in their shul, the wives of their mispallelim. 2. Rampant welfare fraud, a whole community, generation after generation, raised to be schnorrers. Is that what Hakadosh Baruch Hu meant when he called upon us to be the Light unto the Nations? What are we to teach, how to get on the welfare rolls in every possible manner? 3. TRAIF meant being sold for at least a decade by the most holy and highly frumly dressed ganoovim that seem to live all over Monsey? 4. Jew stealing from Jew, friend from friend, the vicious dressed as lambs, the thief dressed as a scholar, the schemer dressed as a ish tam. 5. Vicious spouse abuse and refusal to grant gitten by money worshipping worms dressed as frum Yidden. It is all around us, and more, here in Monsey. AND NOT A WORD IS HEARD FROM THE BIMA.
IT IS TIME NOW, IN THIS AWESOM HOLY MONTH OF ELUL, FOR THE RABBONIM TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE EVIL THAT IS IN OUR MIDST HERE IN MONSEY.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:36 am
TheTruth:
I couldn’t have said it better myself-thank you for expressing so succinctly what many of us are thinking and feeling.
MT is a complete fraud-a sociopath who was nice to people to get them to trust him, and then when they did he abused that trust. This didn’t stop with the women he wanted to sleep with, it extended to anyone who could offer anything that he wanted, including power and money. He preyed on the weak including women who were in abusive relationships, and even used his power to extort the sick and dying.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:17 am
anonymous 10:40 pm: Anyone with information as to MT and SS please contact either Fred Brinn or myself. This information would greatly assist in defense of the lawsuits that have been filed against KNH. While these suits are extremely poor in substance, but we still need to address them in a serious manner. It is very important that the clouds of legal threats are removed.
As for the posters who seem to think that we hate MT and are out to get him, nothing could be further from the truth. Every opportunity to terminate our relationship with MT was explored. Many times MT was given the opportunity to exit gracefully and quietly. Recently, Rabbi Cohen, approached KNH leadership and tried to negotiate a settlement in the interest of the greater Monsey. After getting nowhere - he now realizes the futility of dealing with this megalomaniac. Nothing is acceptable.
MT has abuses everyone including the Bais Dins that he approached. Sadly they remain silent both to him, KNH and the public. He even abused his hanger-oners and tricked them into filing a ridiculous Nuisance lawsuit. His miyons will find this out when they are sued for damages and legal fees.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:51 am
JWB Event Schedule for 5767 (2006-2007)
Here’s my tentative event schedule for the next year. I hope to add to this. Feel free to distribute.
1) Sep.11, 2006 - Rabbi Mordecai Tendler - pretrial conference civil trial NY
2) Sep.19, 2006 - Cantor Howard Nevison - sentencing
3) Sep.??, 2006 - Rabbi Edward Schlaeger - arraignment for criminal trial
4) Oct.12, 2006 - Rabbi Mordecai Tendler - anti-SLAPP motion California
5) Oct.12, 2006 - Cantor Philip Friedman - sentencing
6) Oct.17, 2006 - Cantor Robert Shapiro - house arrest ends, probation begins
7) Dec.01, 2006 - Rabbi David Kaye - sentencing
8) Dec.05, 2006 - Eric Dorfner (former BBYO counsellor) - eligible for parole
9) Dec.??, 2006 - Moshe Katsav (Israeli President) - investigation expected to release findings
10) Jan.06, 2007 - Rabbi Jerrold Martin Levy - prison release scheduled
11) Apr.24, 2008 - Rabbi Baruch Lanner - potential parole
Dates To Be Determined:
12) Gary Dolovich (former director MBK Kosher) - criminal trial
13) Rabbi Gershon Freidlin - civil trial
14) Rabbi Yehuda Kolko - civil trial
15) Haim Ramon (Former Israeli Justice Minister) - criminal trial
16) Cantor Stanley Rosenfeld - civil trial
September 10th, 2006 at 12:00 pm
Hootzen Crootzy
Well said. Your comments echo the sentiments of many many people.
Unfortunately, to repeat what has been posted here and on other sites, we get the leadership we deserve and we live in an age where there is ZERO leadership. Who do we have compared to the likes of the Chofetz Chayim, R’ Chaom Ozer, the gigantic calibre of the previous Chassidic rebbes? These were people who understood the true task of being a leader of the Am Yisroel.We are a dor yossom.
When was there ever a period of so much corruption among the Rabbinic hierarchy?
Names of prominent rabbonim are being accused of terrible deeds of corruption. The infighting among Chassidic for control. It is too much to bear. Is it any wonder why young people are going off the derech.
We are on the treshold of a New Year. Each of us know where their individual skeletons lie and which areas have to be improved.
Let us learn from these recent terrible events and Please do not forget our brethern in Eretz Yisroel. There is much to daven for. Hashem is there waiting for us in the month of Elul. He has come closer to us. Let us all approach him with true teshuvah in our hearts and deeds.
Teshuas Hashem Kahereph Ayin.
Let us put this terrible Year behind us and anticipate with true emunah the end of our long and terrible Golus. Trust me. We are in Golus even in Monsey.
September 10th, 2006 at 12:21 pm
1)
>Tendler strong-armed his weakest followers to sue
>the KNH board. (Apparently Teichman, Engleman, Liebling
>and Hirschorn were smart enough not to participate.) Yitz
>and Nitz Friedman and Simon and Lori Zarour dropped out
>after a few weeks. Yitz Friedman admitted that Tendler
>setup the whole suit and that he never even read the
>contents of the suit when he signed the papers presented
>to him by Tendler.
2)
>Insider: You failed to mention that the other defendent
>in the derivitive, Joyce Simon, was the only one that
>signed an affirmation, she, like the Friedmans never
>met her attorney’s beforehand, never read the complaint,
>and signed the affirmation after Michelle T. raced to a
>local bank to meet her, pushed the papers in front of
>her and had a bank rep notorize her signature.
After discussions with my legal team, it appears that the above, if accurate, would likely constitute constitute maintenance and champerty. As in NY State, maintenance and champerty have been supplanted by the causes of action of malicious prosecution and abuse of process coupled with other remedies, KNH and personally named Defendants would be well advised to file counter and crossclaims on that basis naming all the plaintiffs and Mordecai and Michelle. Ethics complaints against the lawyers involved should also be considered.
Affidavits and materials filed in Tendler’s California action that provide evidence of malicious prosecution and abuse of process would likely assist KNH and personally named Defendants.
Per Answers.com:
Maintenance - The unlawful meddling in a suit by providing either party with the means to carry it on.
Chapmperty - A sharing in the proceeds of a lawsuit by an outside party who has promoted the litigation.
At common law the offense of champerty and maintenance arose when a stranger bargained with a party to a legal action, undertaking to pay for the litigation in exchange for a promise of a portion of the recovery. The common-law doctrines of champerty and maintenance were designed to stop vexatious and speculative litigation supported by officious intermeddlers (nonparties with improper motives). These common-law principles have been adopted in varying degrees in the United States, depending on the particular state.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:20 pm
Hootzen Krootzy, well said, along with the poster who quoted the gemara bava kamma, we get what we deserve. The problem as has been pointed out is that there isn’t a rav out there with the beitzim to stand up and deal with RMT.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:24 pm
JWB, while your busy posting dates, please let us know when your HIV test results are due as well as when the insane assylum is going to let you out.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
we have pictures
September 10th, 2006 at 1:44 pm
Rebbi Cohen met with FB, SR, BM about possible settlement with
MT.
Ask them or R’ Cohen what happened, or better yet what didn’t happen, as a result of thier meeting with R’ Cohen. Tendlers rebuffed any settlememnt attempt, including having R’ Cohen set up an impartial Bais Din. R’ Cohen and 2 other local rabbonim were to choose 5 potential Dayonim for MT and KNH to choose from. Team T again no go.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:18 pm
Who were Shevach/Finkel’s enablers? We have to basmutch them, talk lashon harah about them and destroy them as well. And there’s no better place to do that than this blog, viewed by the tzadikei ha’ir New Hempstead.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
Someone give me one good reason why anyone would want to live in Monsey, or better yet New Hempstead. Just one logical plausible reason.
I remember a time when Monsey was called the Ear HaKodesh. Then again, maybe that is the reason its become the opposite. How dare we ever confuse Monsey with the true Ear Hakodesh. Never again.
No answer yet.
September 10th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
Guess whos davening at Comm Syn of Monsey for Yom Tov. Tendler Rasha II, Brother Aron. Can it be possible that the members of CSM have completely lost their minds ??????
September 10th, 2006 at 4:45 pm
Anonymous 9:32….
Where are you, I’ve been waiting for you, didn’t we have a little date? You are more full of traif than the Purdue chickens you’ve been scarfing down. Please respond, you make me laugh, you little turd ball! I am not afraid of you.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:19 pm
Where were you waiting, in your basement? The only thing less intelligent than your come backs are the posts you think have any sense of an original thought - you make JWB look smart.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Yawn, is that the best you can do? I am sure you can do better than that, coward.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
Listen, douchebag, anme the time and place and me and my boys will make sure you understand the meaning of respect. Now go make your husband a nice chicken dinner, while he wallows in the knowledge knowing what a mistake you are.
September 10th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
Why are you keeping up this stupid dialogue with this other party? He (she) obviously either has problems or is on a prank.
It is also defocusing the seriousness of this blog.
Presumably, you are the same Resident of NH who has made insightful comments in the past. Let it go. Ignore him and he will go back to his room and resume taking his medicine.
September 10th, 2006 at 6:14 pm
“defocusing”
That’s not a word, jagoff.
September 10th, 2006 at 6:28 pm
You are right, Anonymous 5:56. Let’s not waste this blog on morons like this sick individual who thinks he is G-d.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
Who has examples of ganaiva here in New Hempstead?
September 10th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
At least I don’t stink the paint off my walls everytime I get undressed, Resident of Neurotic Homosexuals
September 10th, 2006 at 8:27 pm
Very well said, Hootzen Crootzy! Exactly what I’ve been saying for a long while.
What amazes me is, that if UOJ and his poodle JWB are for real, why are they so busy with civil/criminal courts, in which there is practically zero chance of a conviction? Why don’t they call for action the good old way? If we were really as frum as we pretend, Tendler would be now thrown in some ditch, beaten unconscious, and Byrks, Kolko & Co would be roadkill. Apparently for UOJ & JWB self-promotion comes before protecting the community.
You can also check out my $0.02 on the issue - in general, not so much with regard to Tendler specifically.
September 10th, 2006 at 8:28 pm
Just some inside info for the KNH lawyers tomorrow.
Tendler loves to take showers with his victims …
and has some bizarre crazy idiosyncrasies in the shower …
Only his victims know what they are (and me, of course)
I hope Michelle is reading this, because if he does these things with her as well, she will now know that she is no longer special…
September 10th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
A picture of SS holding hands with MT under a coat, with SS looking lovingly at him, ..
may shortly be sent to the community;
waiting for what happens on 9/11
I think SS wants all this to come out, because in her crazy sick head, Michelle would then have to leave MT, and MT would then naturally run back into her loving arms!
MT promised SS that he wouldn’t cheat on her anymore, and thats why she continues davening with Tendler. For a while she was very angry at MT, and blew the whistle on him telling members of the Board that she saw a naked girl in Tendler’s closet!
She now denies it …and denies telling anybody the story.
She will follow him to the end of the world!
So after Michelle is finished with us she will still have to deal with SS’s crush on her husband!
Stay tuned…
September 10th, 2006 at 9:36 pm
If anyone is wondering what that terrible stank is that is hovering over New Hempstead, its that pig Resident of NH who is too damn crude to give us all the benefit of a courtesy flush. She’ll be taking off her shoes soon too and that’s when all hell breaks loose.
September 10th, 2006 at 9:39 pm
SS interrupted Tendler and Adina locked inside his office. SS told the very detailed story several times to members of the KNH board, including YT and DS. YT arranged for SS to tell the story to Tendler’s father (Rabbi MD Tendler) who said that SS seemed honest and sincere and did not seem to be lying about the story.
SS told the story to many people. It is too late for her to claim that it never happened or that she never told anyone.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:16 am
What are the idiosyncracies that MT does in the shower?
September 11th, 2006 at 4:28 am
Anonymous Says:
September 9th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Even if Tendler is guilty the way you kicked when he was down was simply not normal.
Thank you for one of the most idiotic posts to grace this blog. Even if Tendler is guilty….? the way you kicked when he was down was simply not normal? How long have you been a ba’al tshuva? Excuse me, how long have you pretended to be a ba’al tshuva? A month? Two months? Even if Tendler is guilty? Halacha says you publicly embarasses such a person. Bais Din gives malkos to such a person. A person who files a lawsuit in civil court is displayed in a pillory. MT has got off thus far very easy compared to what it says in halacha.
Don’t forget, shogeig or meizid is irrelevant.
Thank you again for demonstrating how little you know about all things jewish.
And if you think you weren’t eating treif because you didn’t buy from Hatzlocho then you are simply uneducated about the scope of this disgrace. Because every Jew in Monsey, BAR NONE, ate at someone’s house, ate at an affair, a simcha, a dinner, that served TREIF. ….. [next post] …….Pollack, you are deluding yourself. Whether or not you bought from Hatzlocho, YOU ate the tarfus. Whether you know enough about the scandal or you are just delusional I have no idea, but rest assured YOU ATE TREIF. …….. All I see here is damage control, and I can’t stop laughing.
BAR NONE? I guess that means you too. And your celebrating it, because other people did too? You are a sicko.
Tendler may have done what he did, but he is not the only guilty one.
Do you read what you write? it seems the fingers on your keyboard move much faster than your mind. The woman are also guilty? Fine. Agreed. But they were mostly, naive, ignorant, troubled, ba’alei tshuva. Not convining, manipulating, rabbis.
CERTAINLY WHEN THE PERSON WE ARE ATTACKING POSES NO THREAT TO ANYONE, THERE IS NO HETER (PERMISSION) IN THE WORLD TO DISGRACE HIM PUBLICLY OR EVEN PRIVATELY, FOR THAT MATTER. There is a specific Torah prohibition to say (even privately) to a ba’al teshuvah (a penitent), “Remember your previous acts.?
Why are you so insistent on showing your stupidity? The facts: Tendler is accused of cardinal sins. He refuses to defend himself before the RCA but instead continues to verbally attacks his critics, many who have no problem testifying publicly. The RCA sees enough evidence to boot him. He gets sued. He refuses to defend himself or indemnify the shul for his alleged misdeeds, while members abandon ship. The shul asks him to take a leave of absence. He refuses, they fire him. He sues in bais din, he sues in civil court, he has other people sue in court. WE are not talking about a ba’al tshuva, you fool. We are taking about Mordechai Tendler. And if you can be so blind and so foolish to ignore the facts, just the facts m’am, then that is a sign of how dangerous such a person is. You might as well defend Moshe Finkel. Well sure they found 19 cases of treif chickens, but did you see him put them there? Maybe the glatt kosher delivery truck accidently took the wrong boxes from the plant. Maybe hatzlacho planted them because they wanted him out. (It’s OK to be choi’shed the partners, but it’s not OK to be choished him even though people have been complaining about the chicken for months,) even though they discovered several different rolls of stickers in his office, Even though it’s verified he hasn’t bought from Empire or Vineland since January 2005, Even thought here was a ma’aseh eight years ago with the 400 tongues, etc., etc., etc.. No difference.
I must say I’m not surprised at this post. I was actually expecting Susie Smear to post such an article about how G-d was paying back Monsey for insulting MT. But if the moral of the story is “you can’t trust the hashgocha of a rav with a beard and payos whose been in Monsey for 40 years”, then surely you can’t trust a Rabbi with a beard that has a dozen women making allegations against him, that has a at least two woman file lawsuits against him alleging such behavior, that has a respected rabbinical organization throw him out after affording to him, every opportunity that they were not required to. (Look at the RCA constitution. He joined, he agreed to abide by the rules, he didn’t, they booted him. Mind you, they could have booted him immediately just for not appearing before the vaad hakavod.) MF from the shevach butcher shop is looking for a place to daven. tendler should call him and welcome him. It seems they were both choteh u’machtah with meat. (I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist.)
Jeff,
My wish list for discovery is:
1) A copy of the heter arkaos that he doesn’t have for the two civil suits.
2) A copy of the sealed agreement with GN, available by subpeona.
3) A copy of his membership contract with RCA (showing the procedures he agreed to comply with when he joined, but failed to, when called upon.)
4) Copy of RCA constitution (Showing how the RCA bent over backwards to accomodate MT, even though they didn’t have too according to the rules.)
5) Copy of MT’s Mishpatim drasha deriding civil litigation (Showing what a hypocrite he is for going to civil court.)
6) Copy of the warranty card and directions for the noisemaker that was outside his office door.
7) Copy of the sections of the first edition and later editions of Igros Moshe, showing the changes he added saying how great he is.
8) 2 DNA samples each, of hair, blood, & saliva. One set to be sent to the producers of “Cold Cases”.
PS We need Kish Mich back to help keep snobbish weasel fodder in check.
September 11th, 2006 at 5:26 am
Insider a.k.a. Daniel Schwartz
Whose side are you on now? Looks like you are Outside.
September 11th, 2006 at 5:40 am
I am obsessive, can’t stop thinking about her, can’t stop thinking can’t stop thinking. Have fantasies; my life is so meaningless unless I say her name.
I am so insecure about having credibility because everyone will see the honor and approval I need. So I copy JWB style of responding to a point that I want to make a point about. I am wrong about everything.
Don’t tell anyone else I am the laughing stock of KNH and Tendler; have been my whole life. You see as Tendlers lawyer I covered-up for him for years. I started the downstairs minyan helping Tendler so people wouldn’t leave KNH.
All this weed got to my head, all Tendlers’ females ooooohhh, I couldn’t handle it emotionally anymore needed to direct my compulsive obsessive disorder, so when the ladies cried about what Tendler did I just spread rumors that they were what I am, crazy. And when new victims came to my shabbos table and cried what Tendler did to them I just directed my obsessive compulsive behavior to talking about them more and cleaning and cleaning my home. My life is boring I didn’t become the musician I wanted to just a stupid lawyer. Once the victims learned I couldn’t stop saying bad things about them to save KNH; and didn’t want to walk far for my cholent; well that’s when I started talking about them being obsessive as I am on these blogs. I try to say her name as mush as possible. I live and work in a narrow phony KNH world of Torah. I make my wife into a baruch hashem smiley robot to please me. My wife’s only request is not to watch TV, so I call my self Insider like the Entertainment show I can’t watch because this is the only entertainment I have transferring all my thoughts making a reality show of peoples lives that aren’t truly real. But I am a bore.
September 11th, 2006 at 7:16 am
My wish list for discovery:
1. The records of MT’s “Discretionary Fund.”
2. A list of the poor misguided souls that actually went to Tendler for “counseling.”
3. A breakdown of the numbers of divorces in the community and how many of those couples went to MT for “marriage counseling.”
4. A notarized copy of MTs qualifications for acting as counselor. This can include certifications, university transcripts etc.
5. A copy of MT’s qualifications as “sex counselor.”
6. A complete record of MT”s “beit din” cases, including signed arbitration agreements and written decisions.
7. A copy of the financial records of anyone that went to MT’s “din torah” and came out on top in order to track bribes.
8. A copy of LB’s will, including any “addenda” that Tendler added on after LB, a’h got sick.
9. A record of donations to the shul for specific ritual items such as paroches, etc. as well as a record of where those funds went to.
10. An affidavit from the Roshei Yeshivah who were denied access to Reb Moshe because of MTs megalomania.
11. MTs DNA.
12. DNA samples from all the children in the kehillah born after 1990.
13. All tapes photos and videos of MT before during and after “the act.”
14. PD’s checking account records to find out exactly how much he gave to Tendler -just in case he was stupid enough to bribe him with checks!
September 11th, 2006 at 8:12 am
Reb Dovid, der Abishster zolt helfen…
Honestly, your vosikin post is a little TOO infused with emotion, its not worth it. I am always weary of judging harshly (referencing the post you refer to) based on simple and selfish math. If you judge harshly, and you’re wrong, that’s the hell express. And even if you judge harshly and you’re right, you yourself still get judged that way and I’m not willing to lay myself on the line like that. Better to not judge harshly and be wrong mitzad yourself. Just my .02 trying to lay low Elul zman.
The JWB gay jokes are a riot. Great job. Problem is he may be a she.
But the best post of the month is the gemara quoting Bava Kamma. It is perfect for this tkufa. We do indeed get what we deserve. If someone can post the mareh makom, I’d appreciate it.
September 11th, 2006 at 9:25 am
Dear freecastreligiosabuse: More than you might think are on your side and ready to make amends and assist, lets not pass up this opportunity.
September 11th, 2006 at 9:31 am
Rabbi Cohen knows the truth against Tendler, and seems to be taking some sort of stance at this time.
The reason I say “at this time”, is because R Cohen can have a habit of ping ponging with his involvement. Its nice that R Cohen speaks up about this from time to time, however its just not good enough.
First of all, he can start by mentioning Tendler by name in his speeches, so that you don’t need to hire a detective to figure out who he’s talking about if you’re not in the loop. Second of all, he needs to get together with local rabbis that have seen the evidence and publicly release a statement against Tendler.
With the High Holies coming up, we must put a stop to all of the Chillul Hashem eminating from our town.
ITS TIME TO STOP BEING “CHICKEN”!
September 11th, 2006 at 9:57 am
It’s awful damn cold up here in the freezer. Is it my fault that I am Tendler’s DNA? Did I ask to be created in a rabbi’s scrotum? And, being so, did I ever imagine I would end up here, in this freezing cold and dark place, next to the frozen chicken livers and popsicles? It’s not what I had in mind for myself, I tell you. I was destined for greatness! I expected to fertilize the ovum of a yicchusdik Yiddische Maidel…boy was I surprised to find myself on a sucked up by some kind of weird device and then spat into a test tube where I tell you I was cramped up and couldn’t move. And then, frozen! Lucky us DNA’s can communicate even in a frozen state. Can someone please let me out of this freezer? Oh no, the traif chicken livers are attacking me!!!!!
September 11th, 2006 at 11:02 am
As has been posted previously, PD’s involvement with tendler did not include his court case, and it is my understanding that David P confirmed that. Anonymous 716’s post is wrong in that regard.
However, Insider’s 9/8 post at 12:24 mentioning of PD is very strange. That entire comment is misplaced, so obviously so, because it isn’t really significant, particularly if it’s Insider’s first post in months. As such, it may be solely for the purpose of misdirecting us into thinking that Insider is not PD, when in fact Insider is PD.
September 11th, 2006 at 11:27 am
Is it true that PD”s ex wife went to some leading members of the New Hempstead community and told them about what MT and she had been doing, and that these very same leaders of the community refused to help her?
September 11th, 2006 at 12:06 pm
Every time I think I’m out, they pull me back in…
Anonymous 1127, the understanding is that PD’s ex was NOT victimized by tendler, it was more accurately “attempted victimization” as evidenced by the tape that went around. My understanding is that she is quite adamant that she was never involved “corpus delecti” as others such as AM, GN, etc…
September 11th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
Is it true that Tendler is going to be having a minyan for Rosh Hashana at the public school across from KNH? Does anyone forsee any friction in the area on yom tov?
September 11th, 2006 at 2:49 pm
PD’s ex is a real “lady” and PD is a moron and a rasha, both for squandering a life with her, and for treating her so badly through the divorce and afterwards. His blog is so self-aggrandizing you could vomit. What a hypocrite. He treated E. horribly, and can’t understand how is current mother-in -law is suffering at the hands of her shmuck husband.
Perry-look in the mirror. You are an abuser of the worst sort. Your mother in law marries abusers and so does her daughter. She taught her to follow right in her footsteps.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
Having seen the legal documents Anonymous 249, you are exactly wrong on all counts. It was ED that was majorly whacked out in that marriage as a wife and mother, no two ways about it. PD was foolish for speaking back at the love fest a while back, typical of Tendler to use people like that, but PD has the goods on his ex hands down. He has spoken to many people at KNH on the current board and they have seen the documents as well. Tendler had nothing to do with his court case either.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:37 pm
Anonynous 3:14:
People who are being mistreated by people who are particularly sadistic or sociopathic often looked “whacked out.” I had a friend once whose husband used to KICK her (hard) under the shabbas table if he didn’t like something she was saying. When she acted irritable or jumpy everyone thought she was nuts. In fact the only thing that she might have done differently would be to have spoken up for herself and “outed” him, right then and there, but she was afraid of more abuse, and very humiliated as well. It is a common pattern for abused women to look unstable or nervous, and they have every right to be.
I don’t care what the alleged documents say, psychologists make mistakes too, many of them. I’ve met ED and I trust my own instincts and judgment a lot more than any document PD produces or writes up.
And let’s just say for argument’s sake that one member of a couple is “whacked out.” Does that give any justification to abuse that person? To call names? To withhold support? To badmouth him/her to the kids or community? Not to give a get in a timely fashion? Not to uphold what is guaranteed in a Ketubah?
And let’s go one step further…if one’s spouse is a monster, and one is getting hit on by their trusted Rav at the same time…then what?
September 11th, 2006 at 3:40 pm
I was thinking today about this incident with Shevach Meats. This could have still been going on today and tomorrow and weeks, months and years. Perhaps someone did a mitzvah, a chesed, that tipped the balance and Hashem saw it fit to stop the sale and consuption of non-kosher meat and chicken. In this vein, let us all focus on doing the right thing and seeing the positive in each other.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
Any news on the pretrial conference scheduled for today in AM against Tendler?
September 11th, 2006 at 4:04 pm
Anonymous 3:14, I have emphatically stated on this blog that Tendler cannot win custody cases for people. You are a moron who utilizes poor judgment in your life and when you meet people. Tendler hs NO POWER to take children away from a mother of four children. PERIOD. Stop giving Tendler credit for things he cannot manage - that disease is EXACTLY why he rose to such power, because he was deified unjustly.
He CANNOT swing court cases, particularly custody cases. No judge, will ever, ever change custody without a strong record to do so. His or her reputation and career being on the line, it simply foolish to suggest otherwise. Your post is the stupid mindless drivel that kept me away but I see you need policing and you got it.
If he did half of what you said, and half of that was on record, he never would have gotten custody. And your post about psychologists making mistakes, is also simple minded and fails to explain the realities here. Court appointed specialists spend hours interviewing everyone involved, not just the parties. What about the law guardians? Did he buy them too?
Stop trusting your own instincts, they suck. While I can’t understand how a frum guy has a name like Perry, I know for damn sure he did not buy a custody decision because TENDLER CAN’T EVEN MANAGE HIS OWN CASE but he can orchestrate this? Please.
You can try to rationalize the reality and twist it around, but Jewish fathers in Rockland County are not awarded custody after trial without a very strong record.
September 11th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
I can’t believe that for the past ten years, trying my hardest to live as a frum Jew, I was eating TRAIF MEAT week in and week out, on shabbos, on Pesach, at all Yom Tovim, on Rosh Hashana, I was eating TRAIFUS prepared and sold by a guy with a beard and a black coat and a shtreimel……….I feel like throwing up! year after year, meal after meal, on all HOLY DAYS, I was eating TRAIF MEAT purchased with the most machmir hechsherim imprinted on the packages. My G-d, what has happened to me? What has happened to us? That we were sold TRAIF MEAT by other religious Jews who we trusted…..and while this is going on the Rav in the shul is found out to be having sexual relations with married women in the shul…the RAV! the guy we all ran to to ask shailos, to sit and learn in a gemara shiur, to give halachic instruction, this guy was banging housewives, single girls, nice girls, girls with problems, acting out his petty taivos while wearing a black hat and beard and pretending to be holy man for whom we all stood up when he walked into the room….while in private he was acting worse than than a drunk hillbilly at the local bar… AS ROSH HASHANA APPROACHES I AM IN A PANIC………WHAT THE HELL HAS GONE WRONG HERE?????? WHERE ARE WE?????? HOW MUCH WORSE CAN IT GET???? OUR COMMUNITY IS IN THE TOILET…LET’S FACE IT…..THE MIKVAH CAN’T GET BUILT, IT SITS YEAR AFTER YEAR…I WONDER WHY???? HASHEM IS NOT LETTING IT BE BUILT….ALL AROUND US OUR LEADERS BLEED US MATERIALLY AND SPIRITUALLY..THE ONES WE RELY ON HAVE ACTED FAR WORSE THAN THE WORST OF US BAAL HABAATIM. WOE IS US AS THE YOM HA-DIN APPROACHES.
September 11th, 2006 at 7:46 pm
To Anonymous 4:15
You ask “How much worse can it get?”
Well I’ll tell you how much worse it will get
Community Synogogue just hired a pedifile to daven as a Chazzon for Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur…
Yes my dear friends, CS just hired Aron Tendler who screwed underage girls in LA and he will in fact be in Monsey praying as a Baal Tefilah …
What Are We Going To do About IT?
Are the members of CS who are being led by the Alter Kacker Moshe Tendler, going to continue to take crap from him and let his son the Mamzer be a Chazzon?
And What are going to do about the Baal Tefilah for MT ?
Well once we find out who is Chazzon is … We will post his name so that people should make sure not to be Meshadeich with his children …
September 11th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
The COWARD TENDLER, who has said to anybody that will listen, that he wants his day in court, instructed his lawyers to appeal the Judge’s ruling to go for discovery!
Well, if he wants his day in court why is he appealing?
Why didn’t he instruct his lawyers to let the case move on, so that he can present his “innocent” side?
The answer, dear readers is, because Pervert Tendler wants to delay, delay and delay, hoping that he will never have to testify.
But as the weeks move on, more and more horror stories about Mordy are coming to light, which will astonish even his closest “friends” ….
(Michelle the ex-Rebbitzen, once told someone in confidence that she “has no friends.”)
By the way Tendler, did you get yourself a new lawyer for the Anti-Slapp motion in CA?
September 12th, 2006 at 7:43 am
So, let me get this straight. Here in Monsey, on Rosh HaShanah, arrangements have been made to hire a pedophile to daven for us? OK, that’s it. I quit.
September 12th, 2006 at 8:22 am
No doubt Dr. YT will be davening for MT in the Hempstead School directly across from KNH. What a blatent Chilul Hashem that continues to perpetuate in New Hempstead.
Monsey, it looks like its your turn once again to harbor the lowest of the low. Good luck members of Community Synagogue of Monsey.
It appears, Monsey has no problem with both the MT and AT scenarios this coming Rosh Hashana.
What a fine place Monsey turned out to be.
September 12th, 2006 at 8:25 am
If people think that members of KNH drink cool aid, it would appear that members of CSM are the ones producing it.
Aron T praying at the amud, leading services in Comm Syn of Monsey on the holiest of holidays.
Hashem Yerachim
September 12th, 2006 at 8:41 am
Isn’t there some type of alert when a pedofile is in the community. Maybe someone should be alerted to his presence in Monsey over the Holidays.
September 12th, 2006 at 12:09 pm
Question: why hasn’t Community Synagogue offered a position to Mordecai Tendler?
September 12th, 2006 at 4:42 pm
The Millman’s daughter, Perel Rina, has just passed away!!! Sudden blood clot in the brain, Boruch Dayan Emes.
September 12th, 2006 at 5:21 pm
wow. without even going into your comment on aron tendler being a “pedifile” (which no doubt you will spend some time in hell for), you really are quite stupid and clueless. If you are going to speak lashon hara, at least get your information correct. So for everyone who wants to know from someone who actually knows, aron tendler will be davening at community synagogue on rosh hashana/yom kippur, but will not be davening for the amud. I would be more than happy to provide a list of the people who are in fact davening for the amud there, if the blogger who shamefully calls himself anonymous and hides behind the blogs will name his name so that i can know who is making false accusations. i might as well bring up the fact that you call rabbi tendler an “alter kacker.” Funny coming from a person who makes accusations and wont even say his or her name on the blog. At least rabbi tendler gets up and publicly makes his opinion known on difficult shailos, even if many people disagree. This would be unlike those “rabbis” in monsey who clearly aren’t looking to paskin al pi halacha. They are what you would call politicians who paskin according to what the people want to hear. Rabbi moshe david tendler is not that low. But please, i would love to hear what you have to say blogger, because i would love to shoot down every false comment you make, and i will. So watch what you say
September 12th, 2006 at 5:24 pm
So……
….to summerize the Monsetuation:
Mordechai’s meat wasn’t “Tender”
Moshe Finkel was choking his chicken in the freezer
And you’re all at each other’s throats…
September 12th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
Actually, I am not sure now of the cause of her death, levayah at Rabbi Spiegl’s shul 35 Brockton at 8:00 tonight.
September 12th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
With sincerest regret we inform you of the Petirah of Perel Rina Millman, A”H, daughter of Malka and Simcha Millman.
The levaya is this evening, Tuesday, at 8:00 pm at Rabbi Speigel’s Shul,
35 Brockton Road
Information regarding Shiva will be forwarded to you as soon as the information is available.
May the entire Millman family be comforted among the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.
September 12th, 2006 at 8:25 pm
>At least rabbi tendler gets up and publicly makes his opinion known on difficult
>shailos, even if many people disagree.
I can tell you personally, his lawyers filed a false affidavit making false accusations against myself and my blog. We simply demanded specifics on the public record he refused, dropped the lawsuit, used dirty tricks unsuccessfully to try to dismiss our motion against him.
He ran like a bully who was revealed as a windbag coward.
He certainly in my case refused to make his claims known, let alone his opinion.
Makes his opinion known on difficult shailos? He can’t even be bothered to show up to court hearings he initiiates, let alone sign an affidavit of any sort in the court application.
Like a thug, he hides behind his lawyers and now his own followers, who file nonsense legal complaints on his behalf as he is too busy doing what? I guess he’s too busy being a lame coward, hiding behind the skirts of his family and followers.
You can say many things about rasha Tendler I, but to imply in any way shape or form that he is brave, no way, not in any sense of the word. He’s no different than the cowardly evil muslim religious leaders that send their idiot followers to kill themselves as homicide bombers, his followers instead go to court on his behalf without any permission of any sort from any bais din and commit spiritual suicide while trying to financially annihilate the families of rasha Tendler I’s enemies.
As to your “knowledge”as to who will spend time in “hell”, I expect you are in for a surprise down the line.
I note you claim that the allegations against rasha Tendler II are “loshon harah” not mozi shem rah, so I will assume that you understand they are true, 100% true.
September 12th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
JWB
“For the Truth” isn’t talking about Mordechai, he is talking about the “Alter Kocker” Moshe Dovid Tendler ….
This “Alter Kocker” used to put members of his Kehillah in Cherem for any little infraction.
The “Alter Kocker” is now reaping what he sowed…
One son Aron a pedifile that was thrown the hell out of his shul in LA
One son Mordy a sexual deviant who was thrown out of his shul in Monsey
One son Yaakov a mean discusting rodent that wrote an old lady with a severe heart condition a letter that she should stop thaving a mother son relationship.
Malcom X said it best
“The chickens are coming home to roost.”
September 12th, 2006 at 9:10 pm
wow, you are as dumb as advertised in your first blog. why don’t you read my blog and then tell me which rabbi tendler i was talking about. mordechai tendler or MOSHE DAVID TENDLER. then you can respond to my blog, and please try and make some sense the next time you respond
September 12th, 2006 at 9:12 pm
“For The Truth” keeps talking about the Anonymous blogger, and he himself is writing anonymously …
“For The Truth” you are a coward hiding behind your father The ALTER KOCKER MOSHE DOVID TENDLER … father of the pedifile, and father of the sexual predator
September 12th, 2006 at 9:13 pm
hmmm. again you make up lies and spread them on your blog. please, indulge me, who are these kehilla members that you speak of that he put in cheirem? do you even daven in his shul? also, why don’t you comment on your inaccuracy as to aron tendler davening for the amud on rosh hashana/yom kippur
September 12th, 2006 at 9:14 pm
yes i am anonymous, but i’m not writing lies. i ask you to write your name so i know who is writing lies
September 12th, 2006 at 9:19 pm
Just saw MT with his funny hat at the funeral of Millman, he was standing up front, hoping that he would be able to speak … the family would hear of none of that
Rabbi Cantor and Rabbi Kramer and RebSimcha himself spoke.
Hamokem Yenacheim Eschem Btoch Shaar Aveilei Yisroel VeYerushalayim
Meanwhile Michelle was saying Tehillim from the same Tehillim as Rebitzen Spiegel, wanting everybody to notice her.
Instead of hiding behind some trees, MT and Michelle stood brazenly and looking to see who was there …
September 12th, 2006 at 9:22 pm
To “For The Truth”
He put Lenny Sait A”H, and Mr. Fine just to name two ….
If I have to I’ll write about all the evilness of the Alter Kocher
dont Tempt me
September 12th, 2006 at 9:24 pm
Perel Rina had been sick for around 5 years, although few people knew about it.
September 12th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
Moshe Dovid the “Alter Kocker” told me that it is a mitzvah to talk “Loshon Horah” on Rabbi Blau …
I then told him that I will use the Heter to talk about his sick children
September 12th, 2006 at 9:27 pm
well one of your names i have heard of and the other i have not. i will of course not comment on that which i don’t know, but of course with regard to your second name, he was not placed into cheirem by rabbi tendler, and about the case in general, you should probably try to obtain valid info. i mean not from the same person you probably got the information of aron tendler davening for the amud from.
September 12th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
i am now finished with this blog that just stinks of lashon hara. if any of you bloggers are actually openminded, please do not take what “anonymous” has to say seriously. I wouldn’t give much credence to a man who gets information like aron tendler davening for the amud on rosh hashana yom kippur at community this year. clearly, this person does not have any knowledge of community synagogue or rabbi moshe david tendler. for anyone who is openminded, rabbi moshe david tendler is a fine man who has so much hatred placed on him because he has made controversial halachik decision. decisions which he honestly feels is the best halachic answer. don’t call him names etc. etc. because of other family situations. if one person listents to this, then it was worth my going on this blog and hearing this lashon hara. “thetruth” signing off
September 12th, 2006 at 9:45 pm
“for The Truth” slithered away as soon as I produced two names of the people that the Alter Kocker put in cherem.
This Moshe Dovid Tendler is an evil man who produced atleast three very sick children
September 12th, 2006 at 11:19 pm
Comments of any sort regarding tonight’s tragedy have no place on this blog.
September 13th, 2006 at 8:27 am
for the truth Says:
September 12th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
rabbi moshe david tendler is a fine man who has so much hatred placed on him because he has made controversial halachik decision.
For the sake of brevity I will requote my post from several months ago. Here
September 13th, 2006 at 4:13 pm
Dovid -
Are you Dovid Shatz from Breslov?
September 13th, 2006 at 9:11 pm
Saw great e-mail from SS to KNH guy on NHN ...
September 13th, 2006 at 9:14 pm
After MT sees this post, who is he going to trust?
September 14th, 2006 at 7:55 am
I heard the MT met SS recently at a hotel in Jersey. Seems there might even be a picture or 2 of that little rendevous. Who knows what might be “discovered”.
Also, wheres Beny E these days. He seems to be laying low. Can’t imagine why, could you ?? Anyone want to share with us any info.
September 14th, 2006 at 8:24 am
In my opinion, there is credible proof to show that Tendler committed inappropriate acts for an orthodox rabbi.
However it is inappropriate, without revealing details, for Anonymous to make the statement that “I heard the MT met SS recently at a hotel in Jersey. Seems there might even be a picture or 2 of that little rendevous. Who knows what might be “discovered?.”
We all know who SS and MT are. Conclusory allegations without substantive proof detract from the legitimate allegations against Tendler, and permits him to play the victim. It also defames SS if untrue.
If there is proof of such behavior, there are ample means to present it and test it for credibility. In my opinion, as far as I know, the media, with the exception of the Jewish Press and the Voice and Opinion, have been very fair in their coverage of this scandal. Anonymous may want to submit this information to them for checking.
It is best for bloggers to limit themselves to facts. We know about the RCA report and the payoff to a woman and the accusations of Ms. M. The length and breadth of them, even if not totally true, are such that in the least they have created an appearance of impropriety around Tendler. The respectable thing for him to do is to fade away and take his lawsuits, both secular and religious, with him and leave the rest of us in peace. This is the rabbinic thing to do.
September 14th, 2006 at 9:40 am
JC - Read my lips - Stop mentioning the victims name in any way, including her initials.
September 14th, 2006 at 10:59 am
Adina’s name has been spread on this blog more than butter. Now you wake? Please crawl back into your hole with your meaningless threats. Not to mention the New York Post, which on a bad day has far more readers than this blog.
September 14th, 2006 at 11:15 am
KNH stop trying to censor, demand, tell anyone what should be posted or not.
Same thing for Team Tendler.
Both have a history of doing this. Both commit “detraction” from the truth.
Blogs is open; more democratic then both would ever be
Cohen-what do you know about facts? You got nooon right. And nooon came out because of you.
You saying stuff about SS is not fact, but Plaintiff is alleging? If you want to keep posting that you don’t know what the facts are then don’t tell others what they aren’t. We know what they are. We aren’t going to allow you, KNH, or Tendler to censor what will come out here or elsewhere. Censoring not to say anything against Sharie Sofair as it maybe “Untrue?; when you and KNH covered up for them long enough is unacceptable. Most of what you stated as facts is untrue against Plaintiff; and don’t give a hoot about anyone except yourselves.
Cohen says “substantive proof detract from the legitimate allegations?
Legitimately Sharie Sofair and Tendler have been doing it; whether she did or will, testified to being used and cough up enabling him to you/others or not. You have no idea what will come out.
Why don’t you tell Sharie about true “detraction?; and help her. That she is participating in detracting from the truth letting her family and other children being hurt and destroyed. A price paid for a Rabbi who has deceived her.
For KNH and Cohen who are lawyers; educate yourself in abuse about the difficulties of burden of proof. Whereas in the case of Rabbi Tendler, who you swore to be witnesses for.
September 14th, 2006 at 11:28 am
Only if anonymous identifies him or her self.
September 14th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
Anonymous 11:15 is Adina. I admit it.
September 14th, 2006 at 12:04 pm
Of all the parties involved, Adina is the only one who gave explicit permission to her laywers to discuss her case with the New York Post (650,000 print subscribers and countless internet readers). Here is a link to the full article, posted on Luke Ford’s website (warning: Adina’s full name appears on Luke’s site):
... (scroll to the bottom of the page)
A lawyer can be disbarred for discussing a client’s case with anyone (including the press) without the explicit consent of the client. Adina gave Lenore Kramer permission to discuss her case with the NY Post. I do not think that she (or anyone else) should oppose the use of her name after she gave permission for her lawyers to go public about her case in a highly public venue.
I personally chose to refrain from using Adina’s last name on this blog (or elsewhere). However, not everyone agrees with me. Many major websites continue to have her full name on their site, including The Forward, The Jewish Week, The Washington Times, UOJ, Luke Ford and many more.
September 14th, 2006 at 12:32 pm
Please provide proof that the plaintiff gave permission to give her name. You are full of shit unless you can provide proof. What a liar! I know her and I am sure she didn’t give permission you piece of shit.
September 14th, 2006 at 12:50 pm
Anonymous 12:03 pm.
No.
Yes you are anonymous.
Are you admitting to having sex with Sharie?
September 14th, 2006 at 1:14 pm
Insider you are a sick man
The case is a civil one. NYC court records list names of both Plaintiffs and Defendants. The Post printed what was on record. Kramer & Dunleavy Law Firm confirmed the claims of the case. The case, not the name(s) for print in Newspapers. Plaintiff is a victim and the Post violated ethical standards. This victim as most do not want to be victimized more and have their names made public. But you Insider are the sickest and have done that. You and initially the Post propagated a chain reaction. Many victim advocacy groups and readers protested resulting in the removal of her name from those who uneducatedly did so. I guess you have no problem when it will be about your wife and daughters. Of course you state your opinions as if fact. Wrong. Fact is Plaintiff does not nor ever wanted her name to be made public. Fact is this was posted here many times with NYS ethical guidelines when referring to victims. You continued to Post her name. You have disgraced a victim, continue to victimize her. I hope you are judged this Yom Kippur.
September 14th, 2006 at 1:17 pm
Yes, I admit to having sex with Sharrie. So what? It’s a free country and she is HOT.
September 14th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
To Insider
We know your game, and we ask you to please stop using the victim’s name, yes the Post and other web sites named her, but out goal here is to remove Tendler from out midst and to make sure that his victims suffer no longer …
September 14th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
Fact: Lenore Kramer spoke on the record about the Marmelstein case
Fact: Kramer is still representing Marmelstein
THAT IS YOUR PROOF
If Kramer spoke on the record to the Post about the case, why wasn’t she dismissed as counsel by her client?
It is BRAINLESS DRIVEL to suggest that Kramer would risk censure or worse facing a grievance for an act expressly forbidden by the Code of Ethics. NO CASE is worth risking your license and career over, let alonr this one.
If Kramer spoke on the record to the press, then she had permission from Marmelstein PERIOD.
September 14th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
To Kish Mich
your post could all be true …
but she is asking not to have her name mentioned, why can’t we honor that!
She suffered at the hands of a brutal dictator, and she contiues to suffer,,lets try to aleviate some of her pain …
At this time every time she sees her name on the blogg she gets sick
Its enough already
September 14th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
Shrink, you’re 145 point is well taken, presuming its is true. But I don’t see you protesting when Ben E.’s name is mentioned, Perry’s name, Teichman, Grossman, Friedman, etc… In my opinion mentioning their names is worse so I will not refrain from mentioning Adina Marmelstein if only because when she filed suit she knew that in a public forum these issues would be discussed. I am not bad mouthing her - but not mentioning her when other innocent people are bad mouthed is a hypocricy I am unwilling to commit.
September 14th, 2006 at 2:20 pm
The players at this time in the whole MT situation are not mentioning the victims name. She should realize that by now. Those who need to make amends for the past history of ignoring the victim’s plight are the ones to be concerned about. We will resolve our differences. Don’t let the ravings of some on these blogs who ignorantly contiune to mention her name, be confused with those that matter at this point.
You musn’t be sidetracked from what our interests are, as they are the same.
September 14th, 2006 at 2:34 pm
We all know who she is. ADINA. Who gives a crap anymore. If she hadn’t fallen for the whole Mashiach shtick in the first place. Until the last shtup she got what she wanted. Only then she grew a brain. Shkoyach. The question isn’t her name its why she came to New Hempstead in the first place. All of a sudden I can read about her in the paper but on this sesspool?
September 14th, 2006 at 3:16 pm
Kish Mich, KNH, Insiders’ game of making allegations against Kramer that she ethically violated codes of the law with client, or either wise both contended to Plaintiffs name being printed; to then justify their post of victims name; is only your twisted liaryers mentalities. And it is not going to get you to get the Plaintiff to dismiss Kramer as much as your game here stupidly wheezes any impact. It is obvious you would like that. And you can be reported for stating such allegations claiming Kramer violated her clients’ rights. As you well know, the Law firm of Kramer & DunLeavy will confirm the case set forth. Confirming that the case has been filed and its content. That does not mean giving permission to or requesting to print the victim’s name(s). Let’s repeat again since you can’t read; the case being confirmed by Kramer to the Posts’ inquiry had nothing to do with consenting to victims name being printed by them. The Post printed her name on their own unethical terms. The Post pursued the case upon seeing it filed at the court.
You absolutely have no morals defaming and posting some one who has been victimized.
September 14th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
Listen, Anonymous 316, Levi? No one said Kramer violated ethics. Au contraire, she never would have spoken to the NY Post without Adina’s express permission. What do we care who represents her? Let her hire F. Me Daily if she wants, oh wait, she sued him, Sorry, I meant F. Lee Baily.
More importantly, ADINA IS NOT THE VICTIM OF ANYTHING AT THIS POINT.
She is nothing more than the ACCUSER.
VICTIMS are shielded by privacy laws, ACCUSERS are not.
CIVIL CASE PLAINTIFF = PUBLIC RECORD
Kramer could EASILLY have filed the case as a Jane Doe vs Tendler. SHE DID NOT.
SO STOP THE BITCHING AND MOANING OVER NAMING SOMEONE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS. There’s an 800 pound bear in the room. Either name no one or name everyone. Your double standards are typical liberal hypocirtical perversion and I ain’t buying.
You can name SS on this blog, right? She didn’t sue anyone, accuse anyone and she can be named but Adina can’t? TOO DAMN BAD.
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September 14th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
Holy Shrink, you want to alleviate some of her pain? Give her lifetime counseling sessions thrice daily for tthe next 25 years for free.
September 14th, 2006 at 6:08 pm
The Holy Shrink Says:
> but she is asking not to have her name mentioned, why can’t we honor that!
She is asking? Where? I have been reading this blog for awhile, and I never saw AM post here. Let AM send a hand-written letter to SIW to post on this blog requesting that people stop using her name.
It really makes no difference anyway. If posters refer to her by her full name, first name, initials or “the victim”, we all know exactly who she is. I think that Kish Mich’s “There’s an 800 pound bear in the room.” is absolutely correct. It is a joke to think that by omitting her name protects her privacy.
Even Canonist himself posts her full name on this site. Big deal.
September 14th, 2006 at 6:18 pm
In the looks department I’ll take the 800 pound bear over “she who shall remain nameless so no one knows who I am referring to to protect her identity” any day.
September 15th, 2006 at 10:43 am
Insider was kind enough to provide a link to the New York Post article. The un-named named lawyer for the un-named plaintiff in an un-named law suit against a rabbi of a shul somehwere in North America made comments to the press instead of saying ‘no comment.” I agree with the other posts that a lawyer wouldn’t do that without permission. But since you have no idea who I am talking about because I didn’t name names this is all hypothetical.
September 15th, 2006 at 11:06 am
Who is this Kish Mich - must be DS, Esq.
September 15th, 2006 at 12:41 pm
1106, you can name me, but not the 800 pound gorilla? You conniving liberal swindler. Last I checked you haven’t added a dime to the Kramer Dunleavy coffers in support of the anonymous named plaintiff who shall remain an unmystery, have you?
DS signing off.
Or is it FB, CL, BE, 5*, CW, or SK? I don’t remember anymore.
September 15th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
you spineless turd, scum sucking pig. How dare you blaspheme the name of the unnamed, the victimless victim, no initials initialless, the unanomous ignoramus. The woman who is not a woman, and the 800 pound gorilla.
Its so hard to be a saint in the city.
September 15th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
prophet reader is stochell, in case anyone was wondering.
September 15th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
Who is this disgusting pig who makes comments about the victim’s physical appearance and says he would rather have the 800 pound gorilla than her? Has he considered that the 800 pound gorilla, nor the victim is interested in him? You sound like those low-class adolescent boys in the school yard that shout racial epithets at people who walk by, and who call all the females that walk by whores or ugly. Very unbecoming behavior for a Jew.
It is one thing to criticize and disagree with each other about the various actions that people have taken. But to make fun of their physical appearance - true or not - is not only utterly vile, but it is a direct message to Hashem that somehow he messed up when he created the world.
So real smoothe job asshole - and so close to Rosh Hashanah yet. Oh, and by the way, while I’m on my soap box - your physical body will one day rot in the ground just like everyone else’s - and before that - as you age, you will become uglier - you’re skin will wrinkle. and you will wither away (Ad Meah V’esrim, of course) - just like everyone else. What will remain of you will be your actions and your behavior. So watch out!
September 15th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
I know for it for a 100% fact that the victim never gave permission for her name to ever appear in any public paper. And, in fact, when several people from this area discussed the case with the reporter who wrote the second Post article, she admitted that the writer of the first original article waits for cases like this all the time by watching what filings come in to the court house on a daily basis.
September 15th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
You have a lot of nerve saying that the victim is not a victim if she is suing. For many years, the members of KNH were not willing to believe the victims, and there were many statements that if the accusations were true, why was anyone not suing. So now someone is suing, and there are some idiots out there who view that as some sort of crime - and that means that suddenly this woman is no longer a victim. Huh?
Also, the reason that it is okay to list the names of the followers of Tendler, and not the victim is simple - THEY ARE FOLLLOWING A RASHA AND NEED TO BE HUMILIATED AND OSTRACIZED UNTIL THEY STOP. The followers of Korach were shunned (and many of them were “nice” people too) - and so were the followers of many other bad guys throughout Jewish history.
September 15th, 2006 at 5:19 pm
In my opinion, MT is the closest thing to Moshiach, if not the actual Moshiach which I think he is, by the way. He is entitled to sleep with any woman he wants, as he is from Jewish royalty and is a talmid chocham without peer, probably the greatest torah scholar alive in the world, probably on a level wiht the rishonim. Of course he can not be judged by our low standards. That is not just my opinion, but the opinion of other Torah scholars. And woe to he who insults such a great person.
September 16th, 2006 at 11:50 am
Which other Torah Scholars think he is on a level with the rishonim 5:19?
Please name your sources and provide documentation.
MT is a laughingstock among anyone who really knows how to learn. He was annointed the moshiach by people who didn’t have enough Torah knowledge to know that the Emperor had no clothes.
BTW; Who is Stochell?
September 16th, 2006 at 7:29 pm
The poster named outraged is an emotion-laden peon. Marmelstein has ACCUSED Tendler. PERIOD. At this point in time all she is is an accuser. That isn’t opinion, it is FACT.
And while we’re on the topic, make no mistake. PLENTY of women in KNH, with EASE, steared clear of Tendler. ONLY the emotional basket cases, who followed him around like a lost puppy, got taken in. Anyone in KNH ten years ago knows EXACTLY how sick certain women that followed him around were, and it had nothing to do with their husbands.
All this historical revisionism martyring the women involved is bogus and underserved. It may sound sympathetic, but I guarandamntee you that posters like the drek named Outraged have done nothing for what he terms “the victims.” And to the poster who prefers the gorilla over Adina, hey, it ain’t my kind of thing but to each his own. Tendler’s taste in women definitely ran contrary to good taste.
September 16th, 2006 at 7:56 pm
I am not going to talk about the anonymous unamed person who may have filed a lawsuit because she slept with a man who she thought was moshiach and that shtupping the guy would open her up to finding a husband because last I checked sleeping with a married man., let alone a self-proclaimed moshiach, does open you up but not to finding a husband. So if the person who you have no idea who i am talking about is so smart, how did she fall for all this? Fact is, regardless of whether whoever I am talking about who you have no idea who it is because I didn’t name names or use initials is successful in court or not, she will still be right back at square one where she was when she was a nobody. Now she’ll just be a nobody that people know.
September 16th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
Kich Mich, I think you are an emotional peon -you think it’s okay to put the victims through the ringer because they exercised some poor judgment in trusting that rasha. And you are being a disgusting drek by referring to Tendler’s bad taste in women. It is so nasty and insulting to refer to how people look.
Your behavior is teaching our daughters to keep their mouths shut if anyone victimizes them - because idiots like you will insult them and their supporters on the Internet - they’ll keep using their names, referring to them as “ugly” or as “whores,” and will bring up whatever personal smut they can find on them.
You should concentrate on getting Tendler.
September 16th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
To the Monsey posters:
As bad as the last year has been, the coming years will be far worse.
Your children now know that they have followed the shabbtai tzvi and have eaten traif for most of their young lives. They have been tricked by those they were raised to trust, frum Jews who turned out to be frum only in appearance. The damage that has been done to the emunah of your children cannot even be put into words. Their world and belief system has literally been ripped apart over the past year.
And you spend your time laughing at those rasha Tendler I violated?
The leadership of Monsey continues to demonstrate that they can act quickly and publicly as long as it doesn’t involve protecting Jewish women from a sexual predator who clothes himself in the disguise of righteousness.
How long will you continue to allow your children to be exposed to the daily chilul Hashem that is rasha Tendler I? How long will your leadership issue private psaks and quietly tolerate rasha Tendler I’s pressence on the pulpit? How long will your leadership tolerate the outrageous behavior of rasha Tendler I’s kooky koolaid followers?
Can you not see what damage is being done to the impressionable Jewish children of your community? Damage magnified every day in your community by the silence?
Your children now been witness to multiple public Chillul Hashems. What damage has been done to their emunah, to their very trust in the institutions and leaders of their community? Do you have any idea?
And you all have the audacity, the very nerve, to laugh at the vulnerable Jewish women who were misled by your shabtai tzvi, to further humiliate them? But then what should I expect, you’ve never lifted a finger to protect them in the past, never done an ounce of anything resembling teshuvah. Not to these Jewish women, not to their supporters who’s names you deadened in public and in private.
You think you’ve had a bad year in Monsey? You have not seen anything yet.
Watch what the effect the events have had on your children. Watch as then go off-the-derech.
I hope that they are treated with more respect, compassion and dignity then you have ever shown for any of the women who simply made the mistake of asking rasha Tendler I for assistance and counselling and for trusting his kehila KNH.
I hope no one dares call them crazy.
I hope no one uses their off-the-derech behavior to label them as “crazy? and humiliate them publicly.
I hope they find leaders who will try to help them and not exploit and abuse them.
I hope they find a kehila that protects them and not some building they built.
And for those who think it will never happen to THEIR children, heed the words of your own.
Insider:
>I heard today that a family who attended KNH for many years, but
>resigned recently, is telling people that the teenage children in the
>community are having a very hard time coping with the situation. Some
>teenagers are openly questioning their faith in God and Judaism, now
>that their “moral leader? is believed to have been involved in many illicit
>sexual relationships and boldly lied about many related topics in front of
>the whole shul membership. I had not considered the possible impact on
>children.
What will you expect of us when it is your kids who go off the derech due to a loss of faith spurred by this public chillul Hasherm? We certainly won’t treat them the “KNH way”. They will be shown the compassion you never have shown your community’s vulnerable.
KNH where the only ads people put their names to are attacking the supporters of victims.
Where’s the public ad with your names apologizing to Tendler’s victims, to their supporters, to the RCA?
Oh, that’s right, you people don’t have a shred of responsibility it disappeared with your shred of decency long ago.
The coming years will be far worse than this past year. That’s not a promise, it’s a fact if you continue on this path.
Continue laughing it up, continue not doing any teshuva, soon that smile will be wiped from your faces.
When we look at KNH and Monsey, we are not laughing at you. We never have. The whole Torah world is looking at you and crying, for what you’ve done to the vulnerable of your community, the Torah institutions of this country and your own children.
Have some shame.
September 16th, 2006 at 8:59 pm
Anonymous 613, Tendler never would have needed to have been gotten in the first place if not for weak minded individuals deifying anyone.
Why would you raise anyone to be victimized or even learn how to react to such a situation - I pray you are sterile. I’ll focus on empowering my children to never find themselves in so sorry a state as having to file suit against a man they slept with knowing he was married and hoping he’d help find them a husband if they’d only have sex with them 50 feet from a sefer torah.
Do you think this lawsuit vindicates Adina Marmelstein? Maybe we can all sue Finkel and hope it changes the fact that people ate treif. Other than USING Marmelstein to get rid of Tendler, she serves no purpose to this community. Harsh? maybe, but honest and true. Let’s poll the big machers on this site and find out how many have invited her anywhere near their homes and find out if she is anything more than she was when she traipsed around 306 looking like she just had the brothers run a train on her ass.
So all you preachers can go preach to yourselves. I speak what you all know deep down you don’t have the guts to say.
And next time you post try to use your own words. At least while I’m laughing at you let me read something original.
September 16th, 2006 at 9:09 pm
There has been lots of talk recently on the Canonist Blogg about the role that Mrs. “SS” played and continues to play in the unfortunate Tendler scandal.
We recently received a copy of an e-mail exchange between Mrs. SS and a KNH Member describing an incident that she herself witnessed. In addition this e-mail reflects her mistrust of Mordechai Tendler. What we cannot understand is why she continues to daven with MT.Why she was crying when MT had to “nebech” daven downstairs?
We have decided to publish excerpts of these e-mails, and to protect the parties involved we have removed the names …. Parenthesis are ours..
Date: Jan 3, 2006
From:SS
To: Knh Member
I left a voice mail with this woman I mentioned (this was apparently an ongoing exchange of e-mails) to you. Meanwhile, I spoke to another woman, she and her husband and children were very close to R’ Tendler. She no longer uses him as a posek. She did not want to e-mail you and to be involved anymore. This has been going on for 3 years.
She told me that R’ Tendler lied to her and sent someone to her to fabricate a story to protect himself. This person felt so bad that she lied to her and told her. She knows that he (Tendler) has harassed people, he has threatened families. And she also knows that he gave … (name omitted) $100,000.00. I asked her where did the money come from, she said a second mortgage.
And it’s true we all know that he locked the door of his office at home and in the shul, meeting privately with one woman at a time.
One important detail I almost forgot. Two years ago erev Pesach I was driving and passed the shul. I saw R’Mordecai’s car there and I needed to ask him something. I went into the shul and knocked on his office door. I heard his voice, I thought he said “Come in”. But when I tried to open the door it was locked. He took a couple of minutes before opening the door. He quickly walked out closing the door behind him so no one could see inside the office. I heard voices before he opened the door. He looked a little pale and flustered. I told him I thought I left a sefer in the shul, maybe it was in his office. He went back into his office before letting me in. There was someone hiding in his closet. He didn’t want me to stay in shul. Not another was in the shul. I walked out with him. I asked him who was in his office. He told me (Name omitted) that she needed money for food before Pesach and not to tell Eric because he didn’t want her to be arrested. So I didn’t .. until now.
And I don’t want him or anyone else knowing that I said it.
It’s (this story) not over. I waited with my car across the street to see who would come out. It was a woman dressed seductively in a black short dress outfit and a blonde sheitel …. (name omitted) in disguise.
Date:January 8,2006
From:SS
To: KNH Member
Good morning
Just remembering an incident to share with you. When we returned from Israel and I was informed of many things going on re: R’ Tendler from an ex-member …. she told me that he sent Janice flowers and believed that he was going to “hit” on her too. He even had his father call her to return to the shul. But Janice responded, “I believe my friend.”
The friend was someone who claimed the rabbi wanted to have a passionate affair with. I asked the rabbi if he ever sent flowers to this woman
and he said “yes”, she was going through a trying divorce, and I could ask Eric or Shelly or Shira since the flowers were sent through the shul,
I did ask Eric who responded, he doesn’t remember sending any flowers to her, same response from Shira and Shelley’s response was “that’s absurd” and all the facial, body language that goes along with that.
When I told this to the ex-member she responded …. see, that should show you that he’s lying.
But I let all this go because basically I believed R’ Mordecai about not listening to any of this “evil” talk.
And many people that I did have good relationships with, I stayed away from because they believed him to be “guilty”.
He has caused a terrible separation in our community at large.
The woman who have stepped forward, he has called mentally unstable, and demented.
How can this be true of 13 women?
I think John Engleman should be told of the incidents I have shared with you without mentioning my name and the exact details of the locked door in the shul.
September 16th, 2006 at 9:54 pm
I didn’t say anything about raising anyone to be victimized. One out of four girls in this country (and pretty close to the same amount of boys) have been sexually abused at some time in their lives. You can’t possibly say that they are all weak-minded individuals. You can TRY to raise your children to not be victimized, but it doesn’t always work. It could happen while they are away at camp, or by their teachers, etc. Keep in mind that many of the adult female victims that you guys out their continue to viciously attack may have been victims as children. Which made it very easy for Tendler to do what he did to them.
And yes, I think the lawsuit helps to vindicate not only specifically the victim, but victims in general. Don’t berate them for finally doing the right thing when they come forward to face their accusers.
And what are you laughing about. You don’t like how I post - big deal! This is a tragedy (much worse than eating traif chickens). There is nothing to laugh about. Have some rachmonus.
September 16th, 2006 at 10:02 pm
Here’s a message to all the daughters of Israel - keep your mouths shut! Don’t accuse anyone that hurts you - just be a nice little girl. You know, little girls are meant to be seen and not heard. If you end up getting screwed by your rabbi - suffer in silence. Otherwise all the woman-hating misogynists in the world will attack you more than him, that is if they ever believe you at all. They will call your names and publicly destroy your character.
And, oh, if you were going through particularly hard time while he’s screwing you - it will be your fault that he did this, not his. I mean, if the poor guy didn’t meet women that were going through a hard time, even though he was advertising his counseling services - well then he would have refrained from sin.
So remember - BE SILENT!
September 16th, 2006 at 10:58 pm
Its 1 in 4 now? Yesterday it was 1 in 6. You liberals are all alike - your statistics don’t lie but you liars sure know how to use statistics.
September 16th, 2006 at 11:19 pm
As all you lashon harah mongers waste your time going to slichos remember r’h and y’k are not mechaper your evil slander.
September 17th, 2006 at 8:09 am
Anonymous 10:!2
keep it coming-you are right on target.
September 17th, 2006 at 9:32 am
There is absolutely no heter for lashon harah, either regarding the women involved, or anyone involved with this case. Even regarding Tendler himself if you hold he has a din rasha, there has to be a toeles for anything you say about him. The poster above who says that you can speak lashon harah on Tendler and anyone following Tendler is an absolute perversion of hilchos lashon harah. It is unfortunate that there are people who rationalize as halachically permissable that which is not, which is probably the same exercise that allowed someone to rationalize the sale of treif meats. We are so careful on our laavim but when it comes to a deorysa like lashon harah, the ease with which it is spoken here is simply terrible.
September 17th, 2006 at 9:33 am
To the other Anonymous,
According to any book I have ever seen, it has been one in four for a long time. And what’s the difference, one in six is tragic too. And it is far more than that - most sexual abuse remains unimportant.
And BTW, I am not a liberal, am a right-winger, voted for Bush. Hopes he kicks terrorist ass. This is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. It is a moral vs. immoral issue, and sticking up for those who are unable to defend themselves. Any decent liberal or conservative would agree with me.
Actually, this situation is very similar to the Clinton fiascos. Unfortunately, to his supporters, he could do no wrong. Remember it wasn’t just one woman, there were a whole bunch of them. There were even some reports that he would grab women as they would walk by him. (And don’t tell me they were emotionally disturbed - how do you say no to the President - you could theoretically get shot.) Yet even the feminist groups did not stand up for the victims. Because he was going along with their political agendas. Now if you look at the Tendler case, it is very similar. He received a lot of support from the agunah rights groups. These abusers know what they’re doing. They pretend to be pro-women, get their support, and then get away with the abuse.
September 17th, 2006 at 9:35 am
Anynymous, you are wrong. You are allowed to speak lashon hora about a rasha, and we even have Rabbi Wozner’s tshuvah to publicly humiliate him until he steps down.
September 17th, 2006 at 9:41 am
Dear Daughters of Israel, please disregard the post above. Unfortunatley the quality of Jewry today has been so diluted that we have mishuganas like Anonymous 1002 who can make comments like “if you end up getting screwed by your rabbi” and then presume to be in a position to give you advice. We are sorry he escaped from the insane assylum. 99.99% of Jewry does not get screwed by their rabbi but his paranoia is so out of control that we can no longer help him.
The truth is you are the best of the best - use your powers to pursue life, health and happiness. You will never have to suffer at another person’s hand if you use good, sound judgment. You will never have to suffer at another’s hand if you rely on those that care for you. You will never have to suffer as long as you stay away from people like 1002 who has the sheep to the slaughter mentality that killed doros in Europe.
September 17th, 2006 at 9:46 am
Tendler is no longer Rav - so what heter is there to continue speaking about him? And what heter is there to speak about the women involved? And what heter is there to speak about Tendler’s children, wife, friends, family? There is none. Did Wosner’s tshuva give a heter on tendler’s brother? It didn’t even mention him. You are wrong. But speak lashon harah if you wish, you have that choice.
September 17th, 2006 at 10:18 am
Anonymous 9:35, you said that Rabbi Wosner gave a psak that we can publically humiliate Rabbi Tendler till he steps down. Tell me, did you eat breakfast today? cause Rabbi Wosner will tell you that today is a fast day for everyone in Monsey. So no bagels and lox for you today, nebach. I can’t stand this pick and choose mentality, listen to the psak you like but throw the others in the garbage can.
What does your personal Rov say about speaking Loshon Horah about Rabbi Tendler? I would like to know what psak he gives.
September 17th, 2006 at 10:32 am
Let me school the anonymous Bush supporter - obviously his head is partially in the right place, he may just be uneducated. Let’s ask him, why did Aron tendler resign while the battle to remove RMT is unending? Why has that community moved on while NH has lagged? The answer is…THE WOMEN INVOLVED.
One group had integrity. One group had courage. One group saved their community while the other was just as much a part of the problem as part of the solution.
The women in SZ stood up, admitted they made a mistake, admitted that they knew what they were doing was wrong, they were sorry, but the community needed to know what they had for a Rav. Those women had the courage to stand up and expose the evil among them even though they knew it reflected badly on them. I wish them a year and a life of only happiness and success.
What do we have here, on the other hand? THE EXACT OPPOSITE. And that’s why the lawsuits will go on ad infinitum. That’s why KNH will always be the Chelm of the frum world. Because no one had the guts to stand up and admit to what they did at their own expense for the public good. So we’ll let KNH spend their hard earned dollars on lawsuits to clean this mess up for them.
The assumption of the boo hoo poor victim role does not work. You want respect for them? Let them stand up and earn it the hard way - by admitting what they did, taking their licks (so to speak) and moving on.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:02 am
“Kish Mich”
1) You clearly are ignorant of the allegations in SZ.
2) A number of these women were students from rasha Tendler II’s days teaching underage girls.
3) Do you have any psak that verifies any of your lies and false claims? Any psak that allows you to speak lies against these brave women and falsely deaden their names and embarass them publicly?
Perhaps you should read: ...
A responsum by Rabbi Jacob Ettlinger (1798-1871) recorded in his Binyan Tziyyon57 will be helpful in defining two intermediate places on the continuum. R. Ettlinger was asked to rule on the status of a pious, yet naïve, woman who submitted sexually to a guest who stayed at her home. After a while, she was taken in by his claims that he was Elijah the Prophet and that her destiny was to become the mother of the Messiah, to be fathered, of course, by this guest.
Of concern to R. Ettlinger was the woman’s status pertaining to her husband. Jewish law forbids a couple to remain together after a wife has consensual intercourse with a man other than her husband; it permits them to remain together if she was raped. In this case, was her submission consensual making it forbidden for her to remain with her husband or was she raped? After outlining and dismissing the approach of Maharik, R. Ettlinger oultlines his own approach. R. Ettlinger begins his discussion by citing an opinion of Maharik: In deciding a case in which a woman incorrectly believed that she was not doing anything wrong when she was having an affair, Maharik ruled that engaging in extramarital intercourse even if done be-shogeg (inadvertently, in error) is still considered adultery and the woman is forbidden to her husband.58 He brought proof for this position from the actions of Queen Esther. According to rabbinic tradition, Esther was actually a married woman, the wife of Mordecai.59 But because she engaged in intercourse with Ahasuerus only when summoned by him, an summons she could not refuse on pain of death, each act of intercourse was rape and Esther was not an adulteress. However, when it became necessary to plead with Ahasuerus for the lives of the Jewish people, it was she who initiated that meeting—and that meeting was more than a simple tête-à-tête—for she willingly submitting to the king.60 As a result of this consensual act, Esther was afraid that she would no longer be able to remain Mordecai’s wife.61 Thus, even though the encounter was occasioned by duress, i.e., the danger to the Jewish people, and even though her intention was not to sin, Maharik considered this a consensual sexual act.62 R. Ettlinger disagrees, arguing in defense of Esther and on behalf of the woman in question. According to R. Ettlinger, an essential element of adultery is found in a verse describing the sotah ordeal: “And when he has made her drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she is defiled, and has trespassed against her husband, that the water that causes the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall fall; and the woman shall be a curse among her people? (Numbers 5:27). Adultery is a “trespass against her husband.? Therefore, if she does not engage in extramarital sex for her own pleasure but acts solely for the sake of Heaven, it is not a violation of her relationship with her husband and the act does not render her an adulteress.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:08 am
Jewless ankle grabber, your take on things is irrelevant. Nothing you say could convince me of anything other than your absolute ignorance. That you quote piskei halacha out of context as if they apply here is evidence of the extreme level of delusions of grandeur you have. You accomplish nothing. Adina Marmelstein was no more Queen Esther than you are. And rom what I have heard, you just may be a queen. So if you think you can come on this blog, copy and paste some inapplicable bible and pawn it off as your own you belong next to your best friend and partner in crime Juravel.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:31 am
Just produce ONE psak from gdolei Monsey that you are right and that you can publicly deaden the names of these brave women.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:32 am
Kich Mich, you don’t need to school me. I am very aware of what is going on.
First of all, 99% of people will not be okay. Don ‘t you know what’s happening to our kids? They are being beaten by their rabbanim in the yeshivos, there is a lot of sexual abuse, and no one wants to hear.
But I do agree with you on one thing - that it is the responsibility of each and every other person involved to come forward publicly. That’s the way to prevent future victimization. That’s what we need to teach our children.
But I don’t understand your need to call everybody nasty names - calling JWB homosexual, criticizing the physical appearance and mental condition of the victims. Why are you behaving like an asolescent? If you want things to change, you can make a much better point without the insults.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:36 am
Resident of NH, actually I did fast today - but the issue of dealing with a rasha is much more important than these minor issues. But, not only Rabbi Wosner - how about most of the rabbis of the RCA - see the RCA website and statements about how it is incumbent upon us to publicize sexual abusers and put a stop to the problem.
And, BTW, to the poster that claims that Tendler is no longer a rav - what are you talking about? He continues to have a minyan in his house, and is having a RH program at the public school. There are still people asking him shailos.
When he completely steps down, publicly renounces his rabbinic position, and finds another profession, then we will stop talking about him.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:43 am
>When he completely steps down, publicly renounces his
>rabbinic position, and finds another profession, then we
>will stop talking about him.
But there will still be no forgiveness untill teshuva, real teshuva is done.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:55 am
Let me get this straight. I just want to understand the level of intelligence here. You think there is actually some legal or halachic mechanism that will allow us to remove Tendlers ability to daven? Even in jail he’d have a minyan, and last I checked no criminal charges have been filed. So please, instead of bashing Resident of NH for her post, please enlighten us as to how you can actually take away the man’s civil rights. Explain how you can keep him from praying. In his own home no less. Then explain how you plan on enjoining anyone in America from having a phone conversation with him or otherwise talking to him. I can’t wait to hear this.
September 17th, 2006 at 12:07 pm
//They are being beaten by their rabbanim in the yeshivos//
Your approach is to teach the kids that if they are beaten, do x-y-z.
Mine is to teach them how not to be in that position in the first place. To each his own.
//there is a lot of sexual abuse//
A lot? Compared to what? Compared to prison? Compared to the White House? I hate people who take a real situation, like the Kolko case, and apply it carte blanche across the board. That is simply not real. You don’t like the yeshiva system, send your kids to public school, but I’ll take our yeshivos any day - and I’ll educate my children as to the realities and possibilities of life so that they can succeed in spite of the few bad apples that jerk offs like Clueless Pillow Bighter have publicized and turned into a mass hysteria that you are obviously the victim of. For every Kolko I can NAME 100 rabbeyim that would never abuse a child. And there’s probably 1000 good rabbeyim to every abusive one. You like those numbers?
September 17th, 2006 at 12:14 pm
I must be one of the those who is sexually abused. It happened just last night. I was lying in bed minding my own business, when in walks my wife, out of the blue…I thought she was downstairs folding laundry and eating left over kiggle, and next thing I know she is tearing off my clothes like a maniac. She forced me to perform diverse and sundry acts of sexual deviance upon her person while performing same upon mine. Can I sue? Should this case be mediated? What should be done in a case like this?
September 17th, 2006 at 12:14 pm
The same way we dealt with the Shabbtai Tzvi, having our leadership publicly declare him and his followers to be outside the Torah world and a threat to the neshamot of the Jewish people and banishing them from our institutions and our midst and continually warning the entire Jewish world of the danger they pose.
September 17th, 2006 at 12:18 pm
>For every Kolko I can NAME 100 rabbeyim that would never
>abuse a child. And there’s probably 1000 good rabbeyim
>to every abusive one. You like those numbers?
Can you name 10 that got involved to help those Kolko abused?
September 17th, 2006 at 12:29 pm
Treif Chicken Choker, admit that Kolko is an anomoly, then admit that Judaism is the best society has to offer. Otherwise, please change your name to Mohamed, strap on some TNT, and do what you have to do to get your 72 virgins. At least then we’ll be rid of you.
September 17th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
>admit that Kolko is an anomoly,
Kolko is not an anomoly. Not in Judaism, not in general society.
Abuse exists.
Rabbi Yehuda Kolko exists.
Rabbi Lipa Brenner exists.
Rabbi Yaakov Yitzhak Brizel exists.
Rabbi Ephraim Bryks exists.
Rabbi Shlomo Carlebach existed.
Rabbi Yitzchak Cohen exists.
Rabbi Moshe Eisemann exists.
Rabbi Eliezer Eisgrau exists.
Rabbi Benyamin Yaakov Fleischman exists.
Rabbi Mordechai Gafni exists.
Rabbi Yisrael Menachem Grunwald exists.
Rabbi Solomon Hafner exists.
Rabbi Alan J. Horowitz exists.
Rabbi Israel Kestenbaum exists.
Rabbi Ze’ev Kopolevitch exists.
Rabbi Baruch Lanner exists.
Rabbi Samuel Mendelowitz exists.
Rabbi Yaakov Menken exists.
Rabbi Yona Metzger exists.
Rabbi Shalom Nagar exists.
Rabbi Haim Pardes exists.
Rabbi Ben Zion Sobel exists.
Rabbi Ze’ev Sultanovitch exists.
Rabbi Aron Boruch Tendler exists.
Rabbi Hirsch Travis exists.
Rabbi Eliyahu Tzabari exists.
Rabbi Tzvi Wainhaus exists.
Rabbi Matis Weinberg exists.
Rabbi Yaakov Weiner exists.
Rabbi Mordechai Yomtov exists.
Every study confirms that abuse occurs generally in society. It doesn’t matter your religion, your politics, your education or socio-economic status, the same general abuse statistics hold.
>then admit that Judaism is the best society has to offer.
Of course it is, when we have a bais hamikdash, a sanhedrin and a direct relation with Hashem.
Currently, we live in galut, our rabbonim don’t have real smicha (unless you accept the newly established “sanhedrin” in Israel) and we have no body that can deal effectively with criminal matters.
>At least then we’ll be rid of you.
Never.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:21 pm
Jerkoff Wiener Blower, thank you for proving my point. You just named .0000000411% of Jews today. I give you credit for finally admitting that while there are jews who commit the most heinous of acts, most are perfectly fine and upstanding people who would never cheat on their taxes, who would never hit someone’s car and walk away, who would never start a blog to report abuses in their community and then quit and just sop off of other people’s blogs and ideas, or just cut and paste everyone else’s posts and pawn them off as their own. Most Jews don’t do those things, but in every bunch, I admit, there are those rotten apples.
September 17th, 2006 at 1:33 pm
>Most Jews don’t do those things, but in every bunch, I admit,
>there are those rotten apples.
That’s all I ever have said.
The problem is that we have to get rid of the rotten apples, not minimize the damage they do. Not ignore and tolerate their abuses. Let us not behave like the Catholic Church. Let’s actually expose and remove our sexual predators.
September 17th, 2006 at 2:51 pm
Hey Jewish Whackoff Artist: bug off. you are annoying, like a smelly fart that fills up the room.
September 17th, 2006 at 3:34 pm
Kish Mich’s names are not as funny as JWB actually answering to them.
September 17th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
No one has successfuly shlugged up the fact that Rabbi Tendler is a talmud chocham and Jewish royalty which entitles him to have many women, if he so chooses. You only need to refer to David HaMelech, Rabbi Tendler’s grandfather, for proof. That’s the way it is folks. Get used to it.
September 17th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
That is very good that you fasted today, anonymous, I am sure you are a ben Torah. Did you get around to asking your personal Rov if it is mutar to publically humiliate Rabbi Tendler? I would sincerely like to know.
September 17th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
Stop spealing “lashon hara” about Mordecai Tendler? When did he do teshuvah? When did he ask mechila from his victoms? When did he ask mechilah for besmirching the RCA? When did he stop considering himslef a ‘rav”? When did he promise not to be alone with women?
Once again defenders of evil are using the lashon hara line to silence good people from holding them accountable and to endander innocents.
Rather than keep silent, SPEAK OUT until all the wrongs are righted and the wrongs can’t be perpetrated by Mordecai Tendler against anyone else ever again.
September 17th, 2006 at 5:14 pm
>it is mutar to publically humiliate Rabbi Tendler? I would sincerely like to know.
Ask rasha Tendler I who continuously publicly humiliates himself. Where is he having his Rosh Hashanah service again? Across from KNH ???????????????
Try readinng Sha’arei Teshuvah, sha’ar 3, no. 218. See Nimukei Yosef to Bava Mezi’a, p. 32b; Rema, Hoshen Mishpat 228:1.
Rabbeinu Yonah writes that it is a mitzvah to publicize the wrongdoings of a person who is perpetually on a bad path and publicly scorn him so that the public will learn to be repulsed by evil deeds.
September 17th, 2006 at 5:23 pm
Resident of NH:
I am so, so happy to answer your question. Two, not one, but two of my personal rabbaim, one in Monsey, one in N.Y.C. continuously discuss the Tendler case with myself and many people, and have encouraged the community to follow the psak of Rabbi Wosner, support the letter signed by the Monsey rabbanim, and have lauded the wise decision of the RCA from the beginning. And both of these rabbis - one Chasidish, the other not, have both willingly spoken to the newspapers regularly.
This is the only way that throughout the ages we have ridden ourselves of rashaim.
It’s what we did to the other megalomaniacs and perverts throughout the ages - J.C., Shabbati Zvi, Korach, etc. - actually we still say bad things about them. I thought “Acharei Mos Kedushim”? I guess that doesn’t apply to the really bad guys. I am especially fond of what Pinchas did to Zimri.
September 17th, 2006 at 6:08 pm
The problem is no one is following the psak of Rabbi Wosner. When it comes to slandering anyone involved with him, which Wosner was not matir, every one is oiver when they do that. Rationalizing that you can speak about his wife and kids, family and friends may make you feel better but there is no heter for it.
And if you are so sure that tendler is a rasha, speak all you want and hope in shomayim you are right. I am not willing to take that chance.
September 17th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
I must repeat once again: Rabbi Tendler is within his rights to do whatever he wants, as this is the halacha of kings. No one, not one person, can dispute this fact.
September 17th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
What I hear from some of the “victims” is
That it could very well be that Tendler is a big King …
But he has a tiny weiner ..
he has man breasts though
September 17th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
I personally am not speaking badly about his kids. In terms of his wife, I have read many of the threatening letters that she has sent to people.
I am completely convinced that he is a rasha, not just because of the sexual misbehavior - but more because of how he uses mafia-style tactics - threatening people, pitting husbands and wives against each other, pitting friends against each other, threatening sick children’s lives if their parents don’t capitulate to Tendler’s demands, threatening the jobs of the victims or their husbands if they come forward, and deceiving the entire community.
September 17th, 2006 at 8:14 pm
You can not and must not judge a king by the standards that apply to ordinary people. This is something that is not understood in our generation but if it was better understood, none of these imaginary issues would have arisen.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:11 pm
Anonymous Says: What Halacha are you referring to? Certainly not Torah Halacha.
As for a King? I did not hear or read that we have a valid Sanhedrin which is a manditory prerequisit for such…
You are as self deluded as MT. Most of the Monsey Rabbis are following the psaks of Rav Wosner’s Bais Din.
Please stay off this blog. Better spend your time visiting a qualified therapist ans strop wasting our time.
September 17th, 2006 at 11:16 pm
>I must repeat once again: Rabbi Tendler is within
>his rights to do whatever he wants, as this is the
>halacha of kings. No one, not one person, can dispute this fact.
Dude, are you on drugs?
September 18th, 2006 at 1:50 am
Please tell me that the person who is referring to MT as a king is doing so facetiously.
please?
September 18th, 2006 at 2:39 am
test
September 18th, 2006 at 6:42 am
Rabbi Tendler’s status as a melech is not dependent on the opinion of ordinary people, or other so-called rabbis. It is a status which is inherited and is manifested by a profoundly deep knowledge of Torah, both nigla and nistar, which is not and can not be apparent to ordinary Jews. This is a simple fact which perhaps should not have been revealed, but having been so, has resulted in the misunderstandings that now plague us.
September 18th, 2006 at 6:50 am
Anon 6:42
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are just being funny. If not, you are in need of serious help
September 18th, 2006 at 7:40 am
Sorry for the long post, but there is a huge amount misinformation that needed to be rectified. Bluish fecal matter, give it a rest. Go back to you own blog if you really think you have something worthwhile to say.
Anonymous Says:
September 14th, 2006 at 1:14 pm
Insider you are a sick man
The case is a civil one. NYC court records list names of both Plaintiffs and Defendants. The Post printed what was on record. Kramer & Dunleavy Law Firm confirmed the claims of the case. The case, not the name(s) for print in Newspapers. Plaintiff is a victim and the Post violated ethical standards…
….Fact is Plaintiff does not nor ever wanted her name to be made public. Fact is this was posted here many times with NYS ethical guidelines when referring to victims.
I’m sorry to confuse you with the facts, but I feel obligated to so when ever anyone insults my intelligence with raw stupidity. The facts are:
There is no allegation of a crime being commited, i.e., rape, hence there is no victim only an “accuser”.
The accuser filed a civil suit against MT and KNH which is a matter of public knowledge.
Please post the “NYS ethical guidelines when referring to victims”. I personally don’t think they exist. There are legal guidelines for publishing the names of victims of sexual assault. For example the NJ state statutes that Susie Smear violated for months on end by publishing the complete name and pictures as well as school attended by a woman that Susie claims was molested by her father. That is criminal. BTW, is Susie not feeling well? The September issue of her rag did not have a sexual assault story like the 18 months before it? Do you think she’s tired of being the national enquirer of Jewish publications? Or did her Jewish readers tell her to keep her trash because they don’t want their kids reading that kind of garbage? Back to the issue at hand - I do not believe there are guidelines for publishing the names of accusers in civil suites, especially when the above captioned lawsuit has been prominantly mentioned in several major NY area publications. But please do post the ethical guidelines for us. That way we’ll know not to publish Adina’s name accidentally.
Anonymous Says:
September 14th, 2006 at 2:20 pm
You musn’t be sidetracked from what our interests are, as they are the same.
No they aren’t. You and jewelers water bottle want to get money for Adina , (whoops! did it again,) everybody else wants to get rid of MT.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
September 16th, 2006 at 8:40 pm
To the Monsey posters:
……..The leadership of Monsey continues to demonstrate that they can act quickly and publicly as long as it doesn’t involve protecting Jewish women from a sexual predator who clothes himself in the disguise of righteousness…….
…….Insider:
>I heard today that a family who attended KNH for many years, but
>resigned recently, is telling people that the teenage children in the
>community are having a very hard time coping with the situation. Some
>teenagers are openly questioning their faith in God and Judaism, now
>that their “moral leader? is believed to have been involved in many illicit
>sexual relationships and boldly lied about many related topics in front of
>the whole shul membership. I had not considered the possible impact on
>children.
The orthodox leadership continues to protect it’s daughters from sexual presators by insisting they follow the standards set forth in shulchan orech. Girls should not dress immodestly, they should co-mingle with boys, they certainly should not be alone with boys, they should not date at young ages when marriage is not even a possiblity. The issues you are addressing are the failures of modern orthodoxy to keep the standards set forth in Shulchan Orech. Those that follow almost never wind up in the situation that dozens of NH woman found themselves in. The problem is modern orthodoxy’s laxity in the barriers between the sexes, not the orthodox leadership of the community, who you never listened to anyway.
Anonymous 613 Says:
September 16th, 2006 at 9:54 pm
I didn’t say anything about raising anyone to be victimized. One out of four girls in this country (and pretty close to the same amount of boys) have been sexually abused at some time in their lives.
Great statistic without a source. maybe post it on mythbreakers.com. Some actual statistics: 3% of college/university students are assaulted each year. But if you analyze the statitistic, it goes as follows; Since most victims are woman and gender is evenly split at most institutions of higher learning, that 3% of students translates into about 6% of female students. Remember, that’s annually. Assuming that some woman will be assaulted a second time but not all, that means your daughter stands a 6% - 24% chance of being assaulted if she attends a four year program in violation of R’Moshe’s ruling all over Igros Moshe that you shouldn’t go to college. Another great achievement of Modern Orthodoxy, subjecting their daughters to sexual assault to attain the holy diploma.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
September 17th, 2006 at 11:02 am
We’ve seen the Binyan Tzion tshuva that you quoted from Dratch the first eight times that you posted it. There is a Tshuva in Igros Moshe, where Reb Moshe tells his grandchildren it is osur to translate Igros Moshe, or any shailos and tshuvot sefer for that matter, into English because it will put material into hands of people that are not capable of paskening halacha, that will make them think they know what they’re talking about. As in your case for instance. Reb Moshe also wrote a tshuva on the issue of “betraying” the husband in E”H chalek 3 siman 31. The tshuva has interesting twist, but as far as”betraying”, b’michilus k”t Reb Moshe Z”L disagrees with you.
Anonymous Says:
September 17th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
No one has successfuly shlugged up the fact that Rabbi Tendler is a talmud chocham and Jewish royalty which entitles him to have many women, if he so chooses. You only need to refer to David HaMelech, Rabbi Tendler’s grandfather, for proof. That’s the way it is folks. Get used to it.
The following was posted a few months ago by Chaim Yankel:
Shulchan Orech Y”D 243:3 A talmid Chacham who is mizalzal b’mitzvos (like yichud) and has no yiras shamyim (Like going to civil court and encouraging others to go to civil court) Is to be considered like the lowest commoner (Kal she’bitzibur).
Shulchan Orech Y”D 246:8 A rav that does not follow the proper path, even though he is a great chacham and all the people need him, you do not learn from him until he has returned to the proper path. (Like dropping civil lawsuits and instead going to the Din Torahs that he intiated.)
Ibid Choshen Mishpat 2:1 - A Bais Din may hit and punish when necessary.
Any Bais Din, even if they have not recieved smicha, if they see a need because there is an outbreak of sinning amongst the people*,(and it is needed at the time-Tur) may judge, whether it be capital cases, or monetary issues, or any laws of punishment. Even if there is not complete testimony. And if he is an menacing person, you may have Gentiles beat him. And the Bais Din has the power to **forfeit his wealth and cause it to be lost, according to what they deem necessary to counter the transgression of the era. (Tur quoting chap. 24 of Rambam’s Hilchos Sanhedrin. ) As long as their intent is for the sake of Heaven.
*Even an individual as well. (Shach, Be’ar Haitev, Sm?a & Tur)
**And they have the power to forfeit his wealth…..He ends there with these words:They may fine a menacing person and excommunicate and curse him, and hit him, and pull out his hair, and imprison him, and force him to take an oath with the heavenly name, that he has not, or will not do these things (prohibitions.) And in all matters the intent of the judge should be for the sake of heaven and the respect for human dignity (Kavod habrios) should not be taken lightly in his eyes. Additionally he writes there that we give lashes and publically ridicule a person of ill repute. (Me’earas aynayim -Ibid)
So get used to it. Also check the koolaid that your drinking, I don’t think the grape ha a hechsher.
MT’s family are victims. AM is not.
Steven, NEW THREAD PLEASE!!!
September 18th, 2006 at 7:43 am
JWB, Prophet Reader and David Pollack, of course the other Anonymous is being facetious. Come on, guys. Maybe you don’t think it’s funny. But I can explain what he’s saying. Those of us that have been aware of the situation for a while know that MT presents himself as royalty. In fact, he convinces the women that a relationship with him is very special. He presents himself as having different rules that apply to him than ordinary people.
It is called sarcastic humor. The guy writing it is more vehemently anti-Tendler than most of you out there. Nobody would ever really write something like that in sincerity. Not even MT himself. He might think it, but he would never write it.
September 18th, 2006 at 7:52 am
Correction to previous post which has not yet appeared:
they should NOT co-mingle with boys
U.S. CDC Sexual assault statistics
I would think the Orthodox jewish population fairs much better than the population at large.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:00 am
So let’s review his majesty rasha Tendler I’s extended “royal” family. It includes alleged child molesters:
1) Rabbi Ephraim Bryks
2) Rabbi Aron Tendler
3) Rabbi Matis Weinberg
and confessed and convicted child molester:
4) Rabbi Yom Tov Lipa (Lewis) Brenner.
Royalty indeed.
September 18th, 2006 at 8:49 am
Dovid Shatz has far more eloquently that I have posted those very points which I have made over the past week.
Adina is an ACCUSER, not a “victim.” While the “victim” tag solicits far more sympathy, it is simply not accurate. And using national abuse statistics that include victims of violent crime in with a woman that basically fell hook line and sinker for a guy with a great come on insults the true victims of abuse. And that goes for the whole cadre of women that fell for the ol’ moshiach line.
More importantly, Sanctimonious Scrotal Slammer is a cut and paste artist suffering from way too many extra chromosomes and his value to the blog can be succinctly described as “useless.”
Also, the guy posting the royalty stuff, keep it up, its a riot. Those few of us here with more than half a brain understand. Those that don’t have posted responses to you.
September 18th, 2006 at 9:06 am
kish, you that Kohen on Barrie
September 18th, 2006 at 9:33 am
For now, yes. Tomorrow I will be the Levi on Brockton, and I will be spending the rest of the week as a Yisrael in various locations throughout Greater Monsey. Feel free to drop by anytime, I’ll be the guy in the white shirt, black jacket and beard.
September 18th, 2006 at 9:57 am
We know from holy tradition that in every generationa saint lives worthy to be the messiah and that his revelation depends on the transmigration and selection of souls. The fountains of salvation which are none other than the Torah of the Messianic King are in the process of being revealed, here in New Hempstead. These are the mysteries which the Ancient of Days has concealed which He has decreed should be revealed now, amidst the birthpangs of scandal, strife, and loshan hora. Soon, we dark of blindness will fall away from our eyes like scales and the curtain that separates ordinary Jews from the Melech haMoshiach will be lifted. The so-called scholars of the present age who pride themselves on a knowledge they do not possess will soon bear witness to the exalted soul from New Hempstead, MT of NH.
September 18th, 2006 at 10:00 am
The next court date for rasha Tendler I is October 30, 2006 when the prelimenary conference will continue before Judge Solomon.
September 18th, 2006 at 11:19 am
anonymous of 9:57, you are so funny! Please come and be the new pres at my shul.
September 18th, 2006 at 1:07 pm
Perhaps MT will reveal himself as the Moshiach on October 30th then.
That will be the PERFECT opportunity.
September 18th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
JWB help us out. If Rasha Tendler IVX davens at CSM on Tuesday, and Rasha Tendler IIXX has a court appearance in Manhattan on Thursday in civil suit VIIII against KNH, and Rasha Tendler LMNOP leaves Monsey travelling 52 MPH on a train driven by Rasha Tendler CCLLVI, will Rasha Tendler IVXLLCIIIV get there first?
September 18th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
Just so no one thinks that only Monsey haredim are stark raving mad, here is today’s headline from jerusalem. Like MT’s “rabbinic royalty in Monsey”, this is what happens when a community tries to high tail it back to the 18th century and the glorious Dark Ages of the shtetl (that never existed historically anyway). And we thought haredim were only allergic to combat, employment and tax returns. Perhaps they fed him the New Square Talking Gefilte Fish.
HAREDIM CONVINCED:REINCARNATED DOG BEGS FORGIVENESS
Meah Shearim residents believe dog arrived at neighborhood to ask for absolution following death of resident early Saturday
Ynetnews.com
The dog that stirred up Meah Shearim neighborhood: A 95-year-old Meah Shearim resident, Nahman David Dovinski, is said to have been “a righteous man, a worker of God, waiting every day, every minute, for redemption. He was really not of this world.?
Upon returning from the funeral, which took place on Saturday night, Dovinski’s family found an unfamiliar dog sitting on their doorstep. All attempts to remove him failed.
Dovinski’s family took the dog out of the neighborhood, but it insisted and returned again to the same house. From the early hours of the morning, endless attempts were made to expel the dog, but the dog refused to leave the house.
Hundreds accompany dog’s evacuation (Photo: Reuben)
During the attempts at convincing the dog to leave, a neighborhood rabbi arrived at the house and instructed that the dog be served a Shabbat meal, in hopes that this would convince the dog to leave.
Only after the dog was told, “you are forgiven, you are forgiven, you are forgiven,? did it agree to taste the food it was served.
Residents and neighbors began wondering what the meaning of this strange event was, and turned to Rabbi Meir Brandsdorfer, who is considered one of the senior rabbis in the haredi congregation, for answers.
Rabbi Brandsdorfer recommended reciting Psalms and Mishnas. The rabbi himself left the home of the deceased at around 5 a.m. Sunday and headed towards the Mount of Olives in order to say Kaddish on Dovinski’s grave.
Neighborhood residents and family members report that the dog willingly left the house during the Kaddish.
A crew from Jerusalem municipality’s veterinary services arrived at the scene and picked up the dog, as hundreds of residents from Meah Shearim and other neighborhoods watched and escorted the vehicle that evacuated the dog.
September 18th, 2006 at 5:57 pm
Kish you have stumped the great blower. You are now proclaimed King of all blogs!
September 18th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
don’t laugh. the phenomenon of animals acting strangely after the death of a human, is known. It happens from time to time. You could think, perhaps the neshama has taken root in another creature, unable to leave this world until an event, or the pressing nature of returning to the Olam ha-Elyon. There’s no proof, of course, and it sounds crazy, but these type things are known to happen…among Jews and gentiles. This has nothing to do with a talking fish.
September 18th, 2006 at 6:27 pm
could it be the old man always fed the dog?
Why did they need a dogcatcher with a van to take it away, after the voodoo stuff, the dog should have left on its own (and disappeared in a plume of blue smoke); alternatively, if the man with the van would have come sooner, they wouldn’t have needed to go to the cemetery at 5 in the morning.
Any thoughts?
September 18th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
The dog of Mea Sharim reminds of Tendler, he also refuses to leave…
September 18th, 2006 at 7:49 pm
Maybe you should call the dog catcher so he could be taken away? I believe the village of NH has an animal control guy that comes around and takes care of all types of strange animals….
September 18th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
What’s the matter, did you lose your memory? Tendler goes after the dogs! Woof woof! Call the Neuter Patrol!
September 18th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
LOL!!!
September 18th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
Just knowing that MT likes dogs puts the babes of New Hempstead into heat! ! ! !
September 18th, 2006 at 9:07 pm
Anonymous, could you explain your post of 844? First off, there hasn’t been a babe in New Hempstead since one of the dancers from the now defunct T and As got lost on her way to work. Second of all, if MT likes dogs, a suposition I am not contending, then why would that put these alleged NH babes you speak of “into heat?” That makes no sense.
September 18th, 2006 at 9:27 pm
I think some people have been eating too much traif chicken (Alpo anyone?) By the way, I know plenty of babes in NH, that is why Tendler wants to stay in NH so badly. Little does he know the only heat he will feel will be the fire of gehenom.
September 18th, 2006 at 11:12 pm
Anonymous Says: To the real Anon. I did consider that the poster was being sarcastic. But posters and readers need to be aware that the tone of a post is not also apparent. There are many people who still believe that MT has not gotten his day in court. Something which may never come to pass.
Regardless, all senior members of KNH have seen sufficient evidence and have the written opinions of several Bais Dins that we are dealing with a very disturbed individual.
MT’s reality is distorted and there are still a number of people supporting and enabling him. He will continue his mode of operation much like a drug addict or pedophile. The KNH objective has been to get rid of him and to try our best to insure that he is unable to setup operations again… With the exception of his silly nuisance lawsuits this has been accomplished.
It is extremely important to understand that there are many Orthodox wives out there that have been involved which are not known. His sins extend beyond the known scope of the RCA report. He has on many occasions, spoke about the Rav being treated like a King and conducted himself as such. There are many similarities between him and Shabatti Tzvi.
September 18th, 2006 at 11:37 pm
Anonymous Says:
September 18th, 2006 at 9:57 am
…..will soon bear witness to the exalted soul from New Hempstead, MT of NH.
Just trying to clarify one point. When you say the “exalted soul from New Hempstead, MT of NH.” are you referring to RMT, or his car bearing the license plate MT OF NH? I was thinking you may be referring to revelations ala Herbie the love bug, my mother the car, or perhaps more appropriately, Stephen King’s “Christine.”
MT
September 19th, 2006 at 5:38 am
What you don’t realize, David Pollack, is that compared to people like you and other ordinary Jews, Rabbi Tendler is a king. You yourself, Mr. Pollack, followed Rabbi Tendler and became religiously observant while attending his presence. You yourself, Mr. Pollack, along with others, many others, clearly felt the powerful spiritual influences which emanated from Rabbi Tendler and you knew that he was indeed no ordinary individual. It is natural to rebel against your king, and that is exactly what you are doing.
September 19th, 2006 at 5:39 am
Did “T and A” stand for “Tendler and Adina”?
September 19th, 2006 at 6:15 am
Is this the new name for KNH? TNA? Or DNA?
September 19th, 2006 at 6:45 am
A we all thought Resident of NH was just some dried out bitch looking for attention on this blog. Seems you made a funny.
September 19th, 2006 at 6:45 am
“”"”MT’s reality is distorted and there are still a number of people supporting and enabling him.”"”"
Dr. Pollack, can you clarify your statement?
What exactly are people enabling him to do? To conduct religious services within the confines of his residence? Are they enabling him to eat three squares a day? Supporting him to pay Hatzlocho for bad chicken?
Surely you aren’t suggesting that there are “enablers and supporters” who are serving him up psychotic, needy helpless women looking for Moshiach to open them up to getting married, so what exactly is this man enabled to do?
The entire “enabler” concept is essentially, for lack of a better term, as senseless as your last haircut. In fact, no one ever enabled Tendler. And pay close attention to this because I am going to type slowly so you will understand. By definition, an enabler would have to know conclusively of the conduct being perpetrated, and then service in some way that conduct - either passively by allowing it to continue, or actively, by some way supporting the behavior.
I’ll give you an example. Take Jeffrey Cohen. Jeffrey acknowledges at one time he engaged in conduct, which was in support of the rabbi and directed against one of the accusers. Was he “enabling” Tendler? No. He had no idea what if any conduct tendler was engaged in that may have been inappropriate. So if anything, he was duped by tendler, but certainly not enabling him.
If you insist on using the word, because your liberal heart craves taglines that evoke sympathy even undeserved, then perhaps what you could say is that by virtue of the fact that Tendler had duped certain supporters, their conduct - unbeknowst to them - enabled Tendler to continue in his course of conduct.
If you really want the truth to come out as you say, then I think the best way to get there is truth, not distortion, exxageration and innaccuracy.
Note to resident of NH - “babe” is a term men use denoting hot, sexy women, not young infants. While Nh may have plenty of the latter, it is devoid of the former. I stand by my statement.
September 19th, 2006 at 7:58 am
The only dried out bitch in NH is Michelle Tendler, that is why mordy has to go hunting.
September 19th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
Not funny. You killed the blog. It’s not nice to call people names, you stupid moron.
September 19th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
I know what a babe is, you impudent fool.
September 19th, 2006 at 11:14 pm
Anonymous Says: 5:38 I am a FFB (born, raised and always Orthodox). I have studied daily with 2 outstanding Talmudic scholars for the past 15 years and MT is not among them. I did consider MT a friend until I encountered sufficient evidence to determine that he is quite a disturbed person. I do blame myself for not reacting sooner.
Kish: 10 people signed a document used to sue several KNH members personally and the board collectively. He continues to receive money to support his legal follies. Do you think Michelle makes enough income to support them and pay for the legal bills? His income should be $0.00 at this point. His Bais Din is now in possession of the legal lawsuits (we sent them a complemntary copy) that he filed and they remain silent.
Praying with MT is not enabling in my book, otherwise at least one of his minyon loyalists would be unemployed.
September 19th, 2006 at 11:31 pm
Kish: You can check with Jeff. He related that he used legal threats to the women to chase them away. Unknowingly, this enabled MT to collect a few more victims. But perhaps there are better words to use to describe the results of Jeff actions.
ps - I have been looking for a good barber for years and was hoping you could recommend one.
September 19th, 2006 at 11:46 pm
David, well said. I takes a mentsch to admit your mistakes. To a certain extent those of us that stuck around MT after seeing so many strange and unkosher situations were all enablers. And at this point, anybody who davens with him, supports him in any way is certainly an enabler. And his stand by your man wife is the biggest enabler of them all.
I personally do consider each of the women that were involved with him to be victims given the disparity of the power and status levels. But actually we were all victims. We were all seduced by MT - and our behavior indicated that, such as looking down at other shuls and trying to prevent them from existing, refusing to acknowledge the hechshers of other rabbis on matzos, etc., and especially participating in that love fest for him after the RCA kicked him out. Do you guys remember the standing ovation and the tears we shed for him? And I am ashamed to bring it up, but remember that full-page statement in the Jewish Press than many of us were stupid enough to sign? And that statement from one of the posters that you are not an enabler if you didn’t know. Come on - deep down we knew, we saw lots of very strange things. We didn’t WANT to know.
Well, I would like to take this moment to ask each of the victims and their supporters for mechilah for the way the community has treated you. We wish you a year of healing and happiness. I hope others will follow suit.
September 20th, 2006 at 12:15 am
Breaking News: Williamsburg catering hall “WYTHE PARADISE” caught with questionable meat.
Rabbi Shmiel Berger the Rav Hamachshir of several catering halls and many establishments in Williamsburg (including the famous “CONTINENTAL” weddding hall) took off his hashgacha from the catering hall “WYTHE PARADISE” located at 712 Wythe Ave. after confronting the owner who couldn’t provide matching Invoices against the Meats that was used in the establishment, the owner MR. LEZER KESTENBAUM of Williamsburg and his Manager MR. KALMEN WEISS where questioned by the rabbi when the number of poundage of meats that were consumed by the facility didn’t match invoices, when the owner MR. LEZER KESTENBAUM threatened the rabbi with threat’s and mafia tactics if the rabbi will disclose it publicly, the rabbi convened an emergency meeting with the expert rabbanim of the Monsey Shevach scandal and the Rabbanim of the CRC where it was decided that Rabbi Berger must immeadiatly cease his hechsher from the establishment and notify the public, a public letter has been posted all over Williamsburg declaring the rabbanim’s decision, and over 60 schuedled simchas have been cancelled already, MR. LEZER KESTENBAUM who is a well known “G’VAR ALIM” who was also indicted for defrauding the Proctor & Gamble Company with millions of dollars supposedly told the rabbi that he will finish him off like he did with other’s if this becomes public, we congratulate Rabbi Berger for not getting scared off by mafia tactics and acting according to the rules of halacha.
Posted by: WHYTHE PARADISE / WILLIAMSBURG | September 19, 2006 at 10:04 PM
September 20th, 2006 at 12:37 am
I too want to apologize to the victims. Although I supported several of you privately, I chose not to go public with my personal story with Tendler, because he could have caused great harm to my family. I hope that you forgive me for needing to make sure that my family was safe before “coming out of the closet” in a way that would have supported your cause.
To the women who testified-you are simply heroines-kol hakovod for helping to stop a rasha from hurting others.
I bless all of the women and men who have been hurt by Tendler a true healing in the New Year. And I pray for a full and miraculous tshuvah process on the family of MT and a refuah shleimah for them.
September 20th, 2006 at 4:53 am
Prophet Reader, thank you for your blessing. Right back at you sir!
September 20th, 2006 at 5:51 am
Tendler tried to pick up my wife.
September 20th, 2006 at 12:08 pm
So what did you do when he tried that? My husband would come after him if that happened to me. Of course I would kick his royal shmeckel first!!!
September 20th, 2006 at 1:26 pm
I didn’t do anything. It was hard to believe and very weird.
September 20th, 2006 at 1:27 pm
Meanwhile, not one husband has done one thing about similar situations.
September 20th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
Has anyone figured out the number of divorces that came out of his shul and his so-called “counseling” where he played one spouse off against the other in order to get into the wife’s pants?
September 20th, 2006 at 5:01 pm
My wife and I came up with the names of at least 20 couples that fit this description.
September 20th, 2006 at 5:05 pm
We have a friend that actually did go to his house to beat the hell out of him after his wife told him that MT had hit on her. He waited around for a while, but everyone was out, so eventually he went home. Several days later, when both the husband and wife began to make semi-public their accusations, MT began working very hard at having the man fired from his job, and the children ostracized from their schools. So, they got scared, and backed off.
September 20th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Perhaps there should be some sort of Rabbinic group that runs a hot line where people can report in about sexual abuse from Rabbis and other persons of authority. When this rabbi berger in williamsburg had doubts about Lester kestenbaum, he turned to other rabbonim here in holy monsey to help him shut this guy down. People who have been abused should have someone to report it to so they could stop it.
September 21st, 2006 at 12:29 am
Isn’t a Rabbinic group running a hotline like the cat babysitting the canary?
September 21st, 2006 at 4:50 am
You mean the cat babysitting the purdue chicken?
September 21st, 2006 at 6:12 am
An open letter to Supporters of Rabbi Mordechai Tendler,
On the eve of Rosh Hashana, this letter is written without malice and without sarcasm. I ask all of you who still support RMT to take a deep breath, a step back, and another look at the man you call the “Rav”. Many of you are personally familiar with the many acts of chesed that RMT has done for many members of the community throughout the years and may be beneficiaries of those chasodim yourselves. Those are not at issue and not denied. But just as in the case of Moshe Finkel, the acts of chesed he did and the shiurim that he taught are not denied, MF had one flaw in kashrus that affected many many members of the community, so it seems RMT has one flaw that affected many members of the community in the area of aryos, which is much more stringent in than even kashrus. There are no heterim for Aryos. Even under threat of death, one is obligated to be put to death rather then transgress. Take a moment to consider what has transpired. All the black hatters, those that had a solid background and education in Yiddishkeit left long ago, and they were reviled for it. RMT rallied the remaining KNH members around him with such pompous statements as “only his matzoh is kosher” and “Only tefilos from his shul are accepted in heaven.” I ask you, is that normal? When allegations arouse, the RCA, which is a private organization, whose members agree to abide by the rules, asked him to comply with the investigation he refused. That alone was grounds for his immediate removal. Nevertheless, they bent over backwards, extended him every courtesy possible, called an independant investigator and finally ousted him. He called the RCA to a Bais Din 6000 miles away and 2 years later has still has not pressed his case in any Bais Din anywhere. He was sued by an additional accuser that wasn’t even admitted to the RCA hearings, the man claiming to want his day in court still has not shown up. The seven Rabbis in Monsey, who each know more about the laws of loshon hora than all you collectively will ever know, signed a public statement that the man is liar and should not be relied on for any halachic matter. Ditto for R’ Benzion Wozner. Why is it that a dozen women are not complaining about any other Rabbi in Monsey? What other rabbi in the universe, reform, conservative, or Greek orthodox, has locked himself in an office with a woman and has a noise maker outside? There is no joy in these statements. As one who watched RMT walk in his illustrious Zaidah’s footsteps for 2 decades, it pains to think that Reb Moshe ZT”L is doing 500 RPM because of his not so illustrious grandson. Open up a shulchan Orech and see what it says in Choshen Mishpat, siman 26. “One that goes to a civil court has raised his hand against the Torah of Moshe.” Something that is not said in any other instance in shulchan orech. Your holy Rav has not only filed in civil court, but he has pushed you also to violate this basic precept of Judaism, that a Jew does not go to civil court. That not withstanding, the man who claims that he has never had his day court, is currently at the center of no less than 6 court cases and Din Torahs, four of which HE INTIATED; RMT vs RCA; RMT vs KNH - Din Torah; RMT vs. KNH - civil suit, 12 plaintiffs vs. KNH; and he has shown up at exactly none of the above. What is wrong with this picture? Think of the real joy in the community if you were to walk back into KNH on erev Rosh Hashanah and greet your old friends, the ones whom you spent years with, building and developing the shul, to bury the hatchet. Do not worry about swallowing your pride. The man misled many laymen and rabbis, and you are not the only ones. Go back to KNH and leave the one that is responsible for tearing the community apart, alone in a public school. People found it very hard to believe Moshe Finkel was selling treif meat, but when the evidence was overwhelming, they didn’t say he had a right to a din torah, or a court case, or a praesidium investigation, or to hear his side of the story, they ousted him from the community. In the last few years, the evidence against RMT has grown to the point, if half of is untrue, there is noone in authority that will say he’s fit to be a rav. Do yourselves a favor stop drinking koolaid and wake up and smell the coffee. The day of judgement is upon us. While you cannot be judged for what you did not know, you can be judged for what you refused to listen to and refused to acknowledge, even though there was no other reasonable alternative.
Wishing you all a Ksivah V’chasimah Tovah and a brighter new year devoid of the shadow cast by RMT,
Dovid Shatz
September 21st, 2006 at 9:28 am
In the Lekarev Report today, the following daily Torah quote was posted:
He who covers up his faults will not succeed; He who confesses and gives them up will find mercy. Proverbs 28:13
Would someone mind telling Tendler this—–and for that matter the butcher from Monsey. This is probably the most succinct and important lesson that we can learn from all of this.
L’Shana Tovah. Let us pray for peace in the Holy Land and the Lord’s protection of our brothers and sisters there. And let us pray not only for the safety of the soldiers who guard the Holy Land, but let us pray that our boys and girls in the US armed forces are kept out of harm’s way. And include in our prayers that Yonatan ben Malka finally be released from prison.
September 21st, 2006 at 10:08 am
Pollard = Yehonatan ben Malka
September 21st, 2006 at 11:09 am
Dovid Shatz, your “Open Letter” is exactly what was needed: short, honest, respectful, and, above all, true.
I would emphasize one thing: like you, I know a few of the remaining supporters. They are not bad people. They are simply misguided. I recommend that they speak with ANY Rav outside of Monsey not related to the Tendler-Feinsteins. Find out if they are doing the right thing. Ask that Rav if, because of the undisputed chessed that MT did for them and others, they are required to stick by him. Ask that Rav about whether there is a middle ground here. Ask that Rav - ANY Rav - if they are doing the wrong thing.
More than that: Ask MT himself if they should go to another Rav. If he says yes… of course do it! If he says no… what does that tell you???
I maintain that he DOES need our hakaras hatov and our understanding even our support….. but ONLY if he recognizes his faults and mistakes. Until then, you are simply helping him cover up and deny. An alcoholic needs our support too… but he needs to take the first step and admit he has a problem.
September 21st, 2006 at 12:10 pm
David Shatz, I commend your open letter, it was very well said. I want to add some of my views in reminding everyone what is obvious and has been stated on the blogs ad infinitim. ALL very, very bad guys to very wonderful things for people. When the guys on Jonestown committed mass suicide by drinking koolaid, it didn’t just happen out of the blue. These were a very needy group of people. I’m sure that most of them very probably very “nice” with good intentions at the outset. I’m sure that their leader Jones gave the destitute ones plenty of money, helped people out with their family problems, buried their loved ones, crossed little old ladies across the street, etc., etc. Then what about Reverend Moon - he became the father of many people who owed him their lives, who received love and acceptance when they joined his cult, they were taken care of. Then there are our own - J.C., Shabbatai Zvi, Jacob Frank - and lots more. Having hakaras hatov in your heart towards MT for a certain good deed he did for you is one thing - but as the last poster stated - if you want to do what’s best for him you treat him like the alcoholic who needs to hit rock bottom and lose his enablers in order for him to seek treatment and get the proper help. Otherwise you are no different than the followers of Korach and Shabbatai Zvi, who suffered due to their bad judgment, even though they were not bad people. Please realize that by davening with someone who has wrought such terrible destruction, you are giving a message to the Jewish community and to the victims that your needs supercede everyone else’s, and that you will allow individuals and the community as a whole to be damaged while you remain in the clouds. If you make the wrong decision and remain loyal to this rasha, then you have no right to judge all the gentiles and the world that stood idly by each time while the Jews were being tortured and exterminated.
September 21st, 2006 at 1:00 pm
Are sparks going to fly with MT across the street on Rosh Hashana? What about Tashlich at the golf course, ya think he’s gonna be there?
September 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pm
So what you are all saying is that if someone else hasn’t yet come to the conclusions that you have then they should be ostracized because you are smarter than they are.
Anon 613, as an admitted baal lashon harah, what makes you qualified to not only condemn people but speak for them if they don’t do what you want? Its hard to imagine how devoid of a life you are that you have the time to discuss this so much.
September 21st, 2006 at 4:41 pm
My conclusions are 100% true. It’s not a matter of not doing what I want. He either did what he was accused of or not. We know that he did.
September 21st, 2006 at 4:53 pm
To the Anonymous 1:11 - who accuses people of lashon hora. You better not speak lashon hora about Shabbatai Zvi, Jacob Frank, Korach, J.C. or Esav. And what’s even worse is that they’re dead! So if you’ve ever said anything bad about any of these guys - then YOU are a baal lashon harah. What? Our rabbis said that we could speak bad about them? Well, look at all of the well-respected rabbis from across the board, right to left, modern to Chasidish, who clearly state that your “holy rebbe” should be treated in the same fashion - especially after they conducted numerous interviews and reviewed all of the proof.
September 21st, 2006 at 5:51 pm
Baal Tshuva Blues
Ba’al Tshuva Blues
By Farshtoonkena Yid
His life was in tatters,
His ego destroyed,
His parents he hated,
Each day was a void.
A spastic at sports,
a failure at school,
and beset with a complex
about his small tool.
He then met a rabbi
with black hat and beard
who taught him to daven.
He got really weird.
He grew his beard long
and donned clothes of black,
He became a fanatic
and stopped wiping his crack.
His rabbi had told him,
(Or so he had thought)
that you can’t use your hand
to wipe that bad spot.
So he hired a dog
To do the deed right
But then his rav told him
“A dog! He could bite!
“No dogs for a Jew!
to lick out your crack,
Grow your beard long
Get dressed in the sack!
“Don’t look at women
Stop stroking your schlong
Don’t even touch it,
That would be wrong!
“And don’t go to movies,
And don’t go to bars,
The beaches are ossur
And so are sports cars.
“Don’t drink in one gulp
And cover your legs!
Don’t work for a living.
Hashem said to beg!
“You can’t go to college
and don’t read any books.
Forget all you know
Ignore all the crooks.”
The rav said to marry
he tried very hard
but no one would date him
except a retard.
And that’s the sad story
of Ba’al Tshuva blues
The poor sad Ba’al Tshuva
That’s the Ba’al Tshuva blues.
September 21st, 2006 at 7:11 pm
Then the BT met
The girl of his dreams
A BT she wasn’t
But an FFB it seemed.
And she said…
Get rid of the beard
get rid of the coat
and get rid of your Rabbi
the crazy old goat.
Suddenly, he saw
the chachmah in her words
he listened to her reasoning,
and threw the Rabbi to the birds.
The BT and FFB got married,
Where I have no clue.
But the BT is sane now
No more Ba’al Teshuva Blues.
I love happy endings….
September 24th, 2006 at 7:50 pm
Well, for all those people who thought they know it all. Yaakov Tendler davened before the amud both days at CSM. Aron Tendler was in attendance. So, who davened at the Hempstead School?
September 26th, 2006 at 12:29 am
Shana tova to everyone. May this be a year of healing and forgiveness, and the courage to do what is right.
September 26th, 2006 at 5:35 am
This is the real prophet reader. Ignore the imposter who posted above this one.
September 26th, 2006 at 10:13 am
Anonymous Says: Sept 9 10:31 pm posted:
“But to say That Breslauer who for years beat the shit out of children in YSV is a “tzadik? is assinine!”
Could you or anyone else confirm this?
September 26th, 2006 at 7:42 pm
Clearly and rightfully so this blog had absolutely no effect on Dr. Tendler’s reputation as evidenced by his davening at CSM, no doubt to the chagrin of many here.
September 26th, 2006 at 9:06 pm
I really liked the Ba al Tshuva poem. Does it remind you of anyone you know?
September 26th, 2006 at 11:20 pm
Anonymous Says:
September 21st, 2006 at 1:11 pm
So what you are all saying is that if someone else hasn’t yet come to the conclusions that you have then they should be ostracized because you are smarter than they are.
No, what he actually said was: All the people that investigated the matter at length and tried very hard to exonarate MT were unable do so. On the other hand, the people that only spoke to MT, only heard his side of the story, and did not listen to the tapes, speak to the women, look up the relevant halachos, speak to the numerous rabbis involved in at least three seperate investigations did not have that problem being entirely unburdened by the facts.
That is what he said.
September 26th, 2006 at 11:26 pm
STEVEN!
PLEASE! TENDLER XI- The SEQUEL!
Thanks.
Gamar Chasimah Tovah
September 27th, 2006 at 8:27 am
David Pollack - How dare you claim that Rabbi Breslauer beat the S*** out of kids and then ask for confirmation? Your kids never went there, you never went there, so its all hearsay. And, you are not sure yourself if the hearsay is true. You owe Rabbi Breslauer an apology -especially now during the Aseres Y’mai Teshuvah. Now, for the truth. He is a strict rebbe and a GREAT one too. I can guarantee that he has not hit a kid for the last 10 years. So, David, go back to your little s/w company and stop throwing S*** to see if it sticks. BTW, get a haircut and a decent shave too, those sideburns went out with Elvis.
September 27th, 2006 at 1:39 pm
==Anonymous Says: Sept 9 10:31 pm posted:
“But to say That Breslauer who for years beat the shit out of children in YSV is a “tzadik? is assinine!?==
That is one of the most vile pieces of hideous motzei shem ra that appears on this blog– and THAT’s saying something.
Rabbi Breslauer was my rebbe in 4th grade more than 20 years ago and he was also the rebbe of most of my friends and of my brothers.
He never ever beat the anything out of anyone. Maybe he gave out a few minor petch here and there; but nothing whatsoever like you’re implying. I think that, whoever you are, you’d better call Rabbi Breslauer and ask him for mechila; or you might as well go to McDonalds on Yom Kippur, because all your fasting and sitting in shul is worthless when you spread such disgusting lies about rabbonim.
And, oh by the way, he was one of the best rebeim I’ve ever has.
September 27th, 2006 at 1:50 pm
I second the former YSV parent’s assesment re Rav Breslauer as an excellent rebbe. But this is a blog so Mr. Pollack should presume that anything he says is confirmed by virtue of its appearance on so reliable a medium. If all the effort he is willing to invest in to find the truth is blog post then the truth isn’t the goal anyway.
September 27th, 2006 at 8:10 pm
Dear Messrs “formerYSVparent” and “currentYSVparent”,
Riboinoi shel oilom, every morning you make a brocho of “hanosein lasichvi bino”, yet you are unable to understand the most simple post? Please go back to David Pollack’s post and read it - he QUOTED SOMEONE ELSE’S POST and tried to inquire if these accusations were true.
)
Personally I can’t believe he did, the original anonymous poster is probably knocking him out of hatred of frum people. I daven almost daily in R’ Breslauer’s minyan and speak to him on occasion, he is a great man. And David Pollack is not the one to make such disparaging comments nor to accept them at face value.
(In all honety, if I had to teach kids whose parents can’t read a simple post, well, I guess I’d probably beat something out of ‘em
September 27th, 2006 at 11:11 pm
Yossi Izrael: Thank you for reading and explaining my post.
To my critics: Thank you for the excellent commendations for Rav Breslauer, this is what I expected and hoped for. But why did you not post your comments against the original posting?
September 28th, 2006 at 8:21 am
==To my critics: Thank you for the excellent commendations for Rav Breslauer, this is what I expected and hoped for. But why did you not post your comments against the original posting? ==
I did comment on the original post; I know you weren’t endorsing the original post by quoting it. My post was not directed against you.
September 28th, 2006 at 8:27 am
Why not call Child Protective Services and have them investigate the entire school. I know many people who have told me that their children were excessively hit there - and a few other gems of schools as well. I don’t remember the names of the particular rabbis.
By the way, if my kid were hit by any rabbi, I would personally beat the living crap out of him, whoever he was.
September 28th, 2006 at 8:42 am
Has anyone noticed the chickens don’t taste as good lately?
September 28th, 2006 at 9:54 am
>Has anyone noticed the chickens don’t taste as good lately?
I dunno, Empire chickens always taste the same. Perhaps your chicken was “shlugged” for kaparos. There are 4000 chickens waiting their turn to crap on your head.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:40 am
We are lucky to have chickens, as well as such an abundance of food. My parents survived the holocaust, maybe that is why I have that attitude. As for the chickens waiting for kaparos, my children refuse to watch these poor chickens waiting in crates, and dropping dead from dehydration right in front of our eyes. It is real cruelty to animals, and I think this minhag should be abolished and we should all do it with money (works the same, ya know.) Gmar Chatimah Tova to all us sinners on this blog and all of klal yisroel.
September 28th, 2006 at 10:56 am
i agree the minhag should be abolished. the Ramban was against the minhag. We should follow the Ramban.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:35 pm
The reforms and conservatives also abolished a lot of minhagim - what’s next? The bee lovers among us are going to abolish honey on apples? What about the sheep lovers? Lets abolish tzitzis while we’re at it to protect them. Get real.
September 28th, 2006 at 5:40 pm
Aren’t the last 12 posts not relevant to this particular blog? Why is everyone going off topic? There is a rasha that needs to be toppled and run out of town.
September 28th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
r’ breslauer as a rebbi in ysv has nothing to do with his skills as a mashgiach. that being said, i had him about 14-15 years ago, and he did slap AND pulled hair in the back. I don’t mean just for being chutzpadik. You got it if your finger wasn’t on the place too. This is very well known, that i am really unsure why more people aren’t aware. In fact, he was sued once over it. That being said, he doesn’t do it anymore, and i am certain (at least i choose to believe) that he regrets doing it. He is a fine rabbi. Let’s move on.
September 28th, 2006 at 6:28 pm
also, he was a good rebbi, but way too intense. He was making 4th graders memorize the korbanos, and every aspect of them. It’s the equivalent of making a 4th grader take calculus. It does show his brilliance, but maybe a little bit too intense for 4th graders. Would have been great as a highschool rebbi
September 28th, 2006 at 7:48 pm
Eli Tendler, Mordechai’s brother, is a 2 bit scumbag. He had an innocent man fired from IDT for daring to speak out against Mordechai’s abominations! Theres a fat lawsuit waiting to be filed against IDT!
September 28th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
Was it YOU that got fired?
September 28th, 2006 at 11:43 pm
IDT Guy: If you/they need any legal evidence to just the lawyer contact a KNH board member.
September 29th, 2006 at 5:05 am
which office of IDT?
September 29th, 2006 at 5:23 am
Kish Mich, there is a halacha of tzaar baalei chayim. taking honey from a bee does not cause it tzaar. and when we slaughter animals by proper shechitah, it is done in a way that the animal will die quickly. Putting a chicken in a cage and not giving it any food or water and being left to wait till some yid will do kapporos and then possibly dieing from dehydration is not what the minhag started out as. Years ago, you went out to the yard and plucked a chicken from the coop, did your swinging thing, and then tadah, it was over. The minhag has evolved into something that was not intended. just like shaloach manot, you only have to send ONE and we all send so many, if Mordechai and Esther saw how many we send they would abolish that minhag.
September 29th, 2006 at 7:21 am
Can someone explain the IDT connection here- why has there been support from the IDT people for tendlers ys”v? What is the motive?
September 29th, 2006 at 8:38 am
Years ago when I lived in New City and davened at Chabad, we went to the parking lot of Chabad for kaporos and were informed that all the chickens were dead. The weather had been warm and the birds while in cages in the back of the transporting truck suffocated. Since then, I really have no care to do kapporos; now, shechting a lamb in Jerusalem for the korban pesach, that excites me.
But, on a more important point, in the litigation of and concerning Rabbi Tendler, attorneys representing the Directors and Officers of the Synagogue served and filed an excellent motion to dismiss the derivative lawsuit brought first by twelve and now continued by eight “former” members of the synagogue. The grounds for dismissal range from unconstitutional intrusion into matters exclusively reserved for a religious group, such as selecting one’s religious leader, to a failure to meet basic requirements for maintaining a derivative suit and asking for the wrong type of relief. The motion is returnable in mid October. I am hopeful that the Court will be convinced by the excellent arguments put forth to dismiss the matter with prejudice.
Personally, I would like to know who is bankrolling this lawsuit. Except for Mr. Esformes, I do not believe that any of the plaintiffs, either singly or collectively, have the financial means to commence or even continue this litigation. And given the authoritative and well presented motion that will be pending before the Court very shortly, to defend against it will most definitely cost a pretty penny.
I have yet to see this lawsuit or for that matter Tendler’s breach of contract lawsuit, which is before the same Judge, the Honorable Justice Leibowitz, given any publicity. This is a shame. It is important that this matter be in the limelight of the local media. Interestingly, in the 9/29 Journal News, there is a small article on two priests who ripped huge sums of money off from their congregations. I believe, that the Tendler matter, especially given the allegations of a person in a position of trust being accused of misconduct of a sexual type, attempting to resurrect his image through money damages and being restored to his position is equally important. Publicity of theft by church leaders is important not only as news, but as a possible deterrent. Can’t we say the same thing here; that publicity can act as a deterrent to rabbis considering crossing the line of acceptable conduct in dealing with members of the opposite sex?
Everyone, have an easy fast.
September 29th, 2006 at 10:06 am
Resident, I think you mean well but analysis of minhagim is a dangerous game, certainly one I am not up for. Perhaps you are. I’ll remain content knowing that I continue the shalsheles of thousands of years. Nor do I believe your generalization about how kapporos is conducted, like all stereotypes it may reflect some reality but applied overall is inaccurate. I am impressed though that you can presume to speak for Mordechai and Esther.
September 29th, 2006 at 1:30 pm
The RAMBAN, among others, was totally opposed to the stupid barbaric superstitious, minhag of kapparos using a live chicken. I think it is a gross, disgusting, minhag that makes Jews look like backward bumpkins. It is an embarrassment to me as a Jew that other Jews engage in such primitive behavior.
September 29th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
The plaintiffs are not known to be wealthy people and it is doubtful that they could afford the suit. Maybe Esformes is footing the whole bill. I’d guess that the other Tendler supporters are paying the bills. Engleman, Teischman, Leibling and Hirshorn come to mind. I also wound not be surprised if Rabbi Tendler’s brothers Eli Esq., Dr. Yaakov and Hillel Esq. are chipping in some cash.
September 30th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
About Kapparos:
...
Gmar Chatima Tova
September 30th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
To the anonymous self hating Jew, this is for you:
I think _____________ is a gross, disgusting, minhag that makes Jews look like backward bumpkins. It is an embarrassment to me as a Jew that other Jews engage in such primitive behavior.
Fill in the blank with any minhag or mitzvah you like, tefillin, tzitzis, kashrus, lulav and esrog, matzah, whatever. You are no different than those who at the turn of the century laid the seeds for refom and conservatives who now account for 90% of all intermarriage and are accomplishing with far more efficiency that which Hitler failed to do.
A groiseh yashkoach for your intelligent post! I’ll be the guy tomorrow shlugging kaporos with a chicken as has been done in my family for doros. And I’ll be doing it with renewed zrizus.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
To Kish Mich: All your name calling of me will not change the fact that the Ramaban and others were totally opposed to Jews swinging living chickens around their head before Yom Kippur. This minhag is not mentioned in the Gemorrah anywhere. Schlugging kapporos with live chickens is not comparable to “tefillin, tzitzis, kashurs, lulav and esrog” (your examples). You need a lesson in either elementary logic or elementary Judaism…then you will understand why your examples are not legitimate.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
I meant to type “Ramban”, not “Ramaban”. sorry for the typo.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:15 pm
To Kish Mich: to make myself more clear…the example you give, tefilling, tzitzis, lulav, esorg, etc. are Mitzvos written explicitly in the Written Torah. There is no comparison between those mitzvos, which are commanded upon us by Hashem, and the backwards custom of swinging live chickens over our heads, a practice which is not mentioned anywhere in the written or oral Torahs. I hope I am making myself clear, not just for you, but for other Jews who may be confused as well. I highly commend the posting by Moshe Lerman above. I suggest you read the quotations listed in the posting. If you can’t read Hebrew, let us know and someone will translate it for you. Bottom line: the backward, superstitious custom of swinging a live chicken over your head is not a legitimate Jewish practice, even though many Jews do engage in it. It should be abolished. It is cruel to the animals, and it has no basis in Judaism.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:16 pm
tefillin, not tefilling (got to slow down my typing)
September 30th, 2006 at 7:26 pm
Anonymous, you must know that minhag has a din halacha -
You missed my point. For all the Jews that drive on shabbos, their rationale is the same as yours - walking is for backwards bumpkins. So they get to shul just like you, but they drive past you while they laugh and say, “What a backwards moron walking in today’s day and age.” They don’t care what you use for kapporos.
If you do kapporos with money, thats your choice. But judging others that use chickens? Lets hope you get judged in shomayim with less severity than you choose to impart on tens of thousands of Jews that use a chicken - as hav emany gedoilim.
September 30th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
Let me tell you something else. Kapporos with a chicken does look silly. But if that demonstrates the length to which a person is willing to go to do teshuva, to show our sincerity even at our own expense and to show that we are not just going through the motions, then that is worth it in its own right.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:38 pm
Not being born to orthodoxy, but sitting on the board of KNH, I have a question regarding compensation for rabbis who “volunteer” their services for davening, giving shiurim, etc. Is it customary for a shul to accept such services with an implicit understanding between the synagogue and the rabbi that some compensation will be given at a later time, or is it better that a synagogue if offered “volunteer” services by rabbaim should decline, but offer compensation right from the beginning as part of a hiring? This may seem comical, but it is meant with all due seriousness.
At KNH there are many, many people, not rabbis, who have gone far and away beyond the call of duty to make sure that the synagogue is run properly and participates in important events. For example, we have people providing excellent kiddushes, putting on programs for the youth and in celebration of Eretz Yisroel, raising money for worthy causes, etc., etc., I could go on and on. All have offered their services wholeheartedly without any expectation of remuneration, and have done so for years. It is customary that such heroes are honored in different ways, usually at shul dinners or events.
But, what is the custom regarding rabbaim? Are they treated differently because of who they are or because orthodox rabbis are not paid as well as those in secular professions, or both? Or are there other reasons. Is it expected of a shul to give compensation as a minhag?
I honestly do not know the answer. But, if it is a custom that automatically a rabbi who ‘volunteers’ his service is to receive some compensation, then isn’t it the better practice to just call it a hiring and at the very outset establish the amount of compensation? It leaves no hard feelings if the rabbi feels slighted that he was not given a suitable sum. Additionally, an actual hiring creates a sense of duty on both sides and each side has a sense of what is required of the other. In our synagogue, there is a person who hires himself out during the Yom Tovim to perform religious duties in another synagogue. I am sure he knows what is expected of him and what he expects of the shul in terms of compensation before he commits to performing services.
I have no problem with this last scenario. I have a problem with soliciting and obtaining services with an implicit understanding of compensation at a later date. In particular, in this “volunteer” mode, who does the actual acceptance of the rabbinical offer? Is it to be done with the approval of the synagogue’s Board of Directors? Who suggests the amount of compensation? And because of the”minhag,” is the Board then just a rubber stamp for the persons or persons who accepted the “voluntary services?” After all, if a Board which has received services from certain rabbis, albeit not by its vote, then decides NOT to offer compensation or an honorarium, as the case may be, then is the Board acting against a minhag or halacha? And should the rejectionist element of the Board then be held out to the community for criticism for slighting rabbis?
I, of course, like the democratic contractual approach, of a Board ‘hiring’ rabbis at a set amount of compensation. I believe the other way leaves much room for conflicts of interest and deceptive practices. I welcome any and all comments.
September 30th, 2006 at 8:52 pm
Also, do we need to pay the chickens that we torture with the barbaric backwards goyishe minhag of swinging one around our head in the hopes that our sins will be forgiven?
September 30th, 2006 at 9:53 pm
So I presume all you anti-kapporos bloggers have no desire to see moshiach and are not looking forward to binyon bayis shlishi, where bringing karbonos will make kapporos look tame by comparison.
September 30th, 2006 at 10:07 pm
Kish Mich, it doesn’t take a Rocket scientist to know that Mordechai and Esther would be very sad to see this minhag of mishloach manot evolved to be one where all of us are running around all day delivering to the Rov, the teachers (all 36 of them), the neighbors, etc. and then the next day we give it away to the cleaning girl. I am sure they would say we should tone it down. We will ask them when moshiach comes and there is Techias Hamaisim.
There are a lot of different kinds of Jews and a lot of different types of customs. For example, we don’t follow the minhag of letting a boy grow his hair for the first three years and having the upshairen. We just don’t do that. I don’t look down at other people for following their minhagim, chas v’shalom. You have yours, and I have mine. It is just horrible when a minhag makes an animal suffer, and it can be done with fish or money. If I raised chickens in my backyard, I would have no problem taking it and doing kaparos, like I used to do years ago across from YSV. My children would bring food and water from home to feed the poor things, and after a few years of seeing dead chickens lying around over there my kids refused to go. So I stopped doing it with chickens, for me it is way too cruel. When you are fasting on yom kippur, and are feeling hungry and thirsty, think about what the chickens went through, where is your rachamim? I disagree with the minhag being backwards or barbaric or chas v’shalom goyish. It is purely symbolic and is done to be meorair es halaiv.
October 1st, 2006 at 12:45 am
Jeffrey Cohen
Your inquiry truly saddens me, more than much of what has be posted until now on this site. It indicates that you, and others no doubt, remain totally clueless about normative Judaism and remain captive to some bizarre Cult of Rabbonim.
Volunteerism is precisely what it is — volunteer. You continue to harbor some bizarre notion that Rabbis are treated differently than anyone else, and the Talmudic and Halachic literature could not be more precise that this is not the case at all. If the community is going to pay for Rabbinic services of any kind they should be upfront and public — no reputable Rabbi would engage in a bait and switch of claiming to provide voluntary services and then await payment. It simply indicates that you are still being taken advantage of, now by other rabbis of less than stellar professional standards.
What a tragedy your community has become for all of klal yisroel. I don;t think you comprehend the magnitude of the tragedy living within it on a daily basis, or how you are truly perceived as a community by the rest of Judaism.
Yom Kippur awaits you. Make good use of it.
October 1st, 2006 at 5:52 am
A man from Williamsburg was charged with animal cruelty for causing the deaths of 35 chickens meant for slaughter in a kapparos ritual and keeping 307 more in squalid conditions with many of them covered in feces and later showed evidence of parasites when they were found in a vacant lot at Coney Island Ave
October 1st, 2006 at 6:00 am
Rabbi Yosef Karo (the Mechabar) wrote in his major work on Jewish law, the Shulchan Aruch, that the custom had parallels to polytheistic rites and ought not be practiced. Check it out for yourself. That is why I say it is a non-Jewish practice that was taken over by Jews. It is the opinion of the Mechabar.
October 1st, 2006 at 7:23 am
Resident, well said. One point I wanted to make, which you wrote, “When you are fasting on yom kippur, and are feeling hungry and thirsty, think about what the chickens went through” I think that is the whole point of Yom Kippur, that we realize that if HKB’H would judge us bmidas hadin then we would ch’v deserve the very same fate as those chickens, and we hope that midas harachamim will prevail and we will be spared that fate.
October 1st, 2006 at 7:33 am
Hey Kish Mich: You can think about that without actually torturing and killing chickens. Tzar Ba’alei Chayim is a very important concept .
October 1st, 2006 at 8:02 am
Anonymous 6:00
you are correct that the mechaber writes this
however none of the Gedoieli Yisroel have accepted this Mechaber
One could just pick up this week’s “Kol haolom Kuloh’ a magazine, which shows pictures of today;s gedolim from Chassidim to Litvaks to yekes , all doing Kaporos
One can clearly see Harav Eliyashev, Harav Kanievski, Harav Birnbaum (Mir) and all the Chassidic Rebbes doing Kaporos…
this is a Minhag Yisroel ….
and most of the Chareides do Kaporos and have not accepted this Mechaber.
what is interesting to note is the Sefardim are all gung ho about Kaporos and in fact run this business all over Flatbust eventhough the Mechaber was a Sfardi..
The sefardim themselves have not accepted this Mechaber!
Gut Yom Tov
October 1st, 2006 at 8:18 am
well, this minhag should be changed. Of course people like it…it is exciting and unusual to swing a live chicken around one’s head. But it is a terrible minhag.
October 1st, 2006 at 8:22 am
Anonymous, since I neither torture nor kill the chickens your post is meaningless. Are you the same guy that thinks all Jews are shylocks, that all blacks are well endowed, that all Puerto Ricans carry knives and all Italians are mobsters? Sure sounds like it. Let it go. Kapporos will be around ad biyas goel with or without you. An easy fast and a gut yohr to you!
October 1st, 2006 at 10:33 am
Kich Mich: No I don’t believe any of those things, nor have any of those things ever entered my head. Kapparos is a backward, superstitious minhag. It should be abolished.
October 2nd, 2006 at 8:19 pm
»Bogus reports about chickens being mistreated
Rumors that numerous chickens were being mistreated or killed at a park-and-ride lot in Monsey turned out to be unfounded yesterday.The chickens were brought to the Route 59 county facility on Tuesday night and were intended to be used in a Jewish holiday ritual.
During mid-morning yesterday, about 4,000 of the fowl roamed beneath a large white tent pitched on the grounds in the rear of the property.
Ramapo Police Capt. James Quinn said authorities were initially called by concerned witnesses who saw some of the birds get loose.
The Hudson Valley Humane Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, the Rockland County Health Department and the Monsey Fire Department also responded.
Tim Hekl, of the county Health Department, said his department got a complaint that there were “chickens running all over the place.?
Although an inspection found that some of the chickens had gotten loose and that there were some dead birds, there was no wrongdoing, Hekl said.
The county had been aware of the ritual and the department’s only concern was that the area remained free of the birds’ fecal matter, he said.
“Now last year when they had the same situation, the rabbis that were doing the ceremonies cleaned up the area to our complete satisfaction,? Hekl said, adding that those in charge had again promised to keep the area clean.
The department will inspect the site twice a day until the end of the holidays, he added.
There was no evidence of cruelty, said Marc Kissel, a peace officer with the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.
A local veterinarian who is experienced with handling livestock believed the birds’ were being kept in satisfactory conditions, Kissel said, adding that the people in charge of the large confinement area were receptive to suggestions for improving care.
“I’ve been satisfied … that they’re working with us to listen to us and to make things as good as they can while the chickens are here,? he said.
The kaparot ritual, which is traditionally performed during Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur, involves waving a chicken — a rooster for a man, and a hen for a woman — over one’s head while saying a prayer. The birds are later sent to slaughter and given to the poor.
Kissel also said he was assured that the ritual was not harmful to the chickens, “that they’re not, as the rumor had it, taken by the back legs and swung in circles? above a person’s head.
The Monsey Fire Department was called to provide additional water for the chickens, Quinn said.
October 2nd, 2006 at 9:24 pm
very good, thanks for the report.
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:34 am
All those worried about chickens, should worry more about people.
The Germans were always concerned about animal cruelty, but could care less about women, children and men.
PETA the organization that cares about animals gives millions of dollars to the Palestinian cause … so much for the people worried about chickens…
October 3rd, 2006 at 8:46 am
I don;t know the truth, the whole truth regarding the progeny of the saintly Reb Moishe, but suffice it to say, that where there is smoke there is fire.
How sad, that this great man is afflicted with such terrible chatter about his children. What I wouldn’t pay to know, what he did to deserve this.
The common denominator in all this appears to be that that both the Shisgal twins and the Tendler boys are about the same age, and they both have a heavy cloud of sexual immpropiaty about them. I can only “suggest” that they where seriously abused in there youth. When will all this stop. We need Moshiach NOW
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:00 pm
The Shisgal twins myth is an urban legend that has been debunked even on this blog. And as long as you keep posting such nonsense don’t bother asking for Moshiach, cause he won’t be coming as long as talk like that exists.
October 3rd, 2006 at 12:55 pm
Rabbi Tendler and his minyan minions looked goofy praying in the front room of Hempstead Elementary with the wall to wall windows for everyone to see them. They looked like goldfish in a fishbowl.
The Yom Kippur Mincha Torah reading is all about prohibited sexual relations. Did Rabbi Tendler’s minions skip Yayikra 18:20 and 18:29 to avoid embarassing their beloved rabbi?
18:20 ו?ל ?שת עמיתך ל? תיתן שכובתך לזרע לטומ?ה בה
כי כל ?שר יעשה מכול התועבות ה?לה ונכרתו הנפשות העושות מקרב עמ? 18:29
Does anyone know if Rabbi Tendler plans to daven in Hempstead Elementary for Sukkos as well? Maybe it is time for the taxpayers of ERCSD to complain to the superintendent and school board regarding the blatant violation of NY State Education Law section 414 which prohibits renting public school facilities for the purpose of prayer gatherings. The Journal News might like this story.
October 3rd, 2006 at 2:47 pm
How dare you compare us to the Nazi goyim??? There is a mitzvah from the Torah that we are not supposed to torture animals, tzar baalei chayim. Hashem gave the laws of shechitah and the laws of kashrus (meat and milk), some meforshim explain that this is because we have pity on the animals that they should be slaughtered in the quickest way as to not prolong suffering. We don’t boil a calf in the milk of it’s mother. The Nazi behaimos were murderers who had their own sick rules of right and wrong. Our rules come from the Torah! I have seen animals suffer, and have looked into their eyes and seen their pain. I had a chicken and a rooster as a pet growing up. Just because I like animals doesn’t mean I am cruel to people, fakairt, kids who have pets sometimes are kinder and more nurturing as a result.
Who is looking at Rabbi Tendler davening, your nose should be in your own siddur. If the lawa was against renting the school for prayer gatherings, then why did they rent it out to him? Something smells “fishy”! And next year, rent the public school before he does, if it bothers you so much. But i like the goldfish part, maybe we could use them as kaporos instead of chickens???
October 3rd, 2006 at 5:06 pm
I’m convinced there are too many of you on the blogs and in Monsey that are obsessed with chickens.
Just a bit of info - the Nazis picked and chose when they were kind to animals. They trained the Hitler youth by having young boys raise puppies, and at the end of the training forced them to murder their own puppies. A perfect way to create a human murderer! I am not at all comparing this to the kaparos issue, but it is unfair to state that animal lovers are cruel to humans. It’s a much more complex subject.
Resident of NH - I don’t understand your comment to the blogger who reported on Tendler by telling him/her that they should keep their nose in their own siddur/machzor. What does it say at the Pesach seder that you should do to the rasha? It says you should blunt his teeth. It is absolutely unacceptable that this neighborhood rasha and his zombies are davening in plain view, and reciting the words from the mincha Torah reading about sexually forbidden behavior. Yet he won’t ask for forgiveness from all the women and their families that he hurt and destroyed. It reminds me of the Haftorah on Yom Kippur that states that all the fasting, praying and afflicting oneself means nothing if one continues to afflict others.
We have to completely destroy a rasha!
Here’s some information for Prophet Reader - It was the IDT in Newark. What occurred was that Rabbi Billet (who is one of the top guys at the RCA and was one of the primary rabbis involved in the Tendler investigation) was not allowed to enter the IDT building for a new position that he was about to start several months after the RCA ousted Tendler. (By the way, originally senior Tendler was fine with Rabbi Billet being involved as their were friends). Anyway this despicable company was refusing to allow Rabbi Billet to come into the place or get paid. Eventually Rabbi Billet lodged some type of complaint, and IDT had to pay him, but they continued to ban him from the building. We feel that this disgusting behavior was prompted by one of the Tendler brothers, who is a lawyer for IDT.
October 4th, 2006 at 2:49 am
Anonymous Says:
September 30th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
….This minhag is not mentioned in the Gemorrah anywhere. Schlugging kapporos with live chickens is not comparable to “tefillin, tzitzis, kashurs, lulav and esrog? (your examples). You need a lesson in either elementary logic or elementary Judaism…then you will understand why your examples are not legitimate.
So I’m sure that you came out in full force against Tendler senior when he attacked metzitzah, which is mentioned in the Gemara. I’m sure you looked up all the papers done by the twelve co-authors and found that none of them ever did a paper on neonatal herpes; that ten of them never did a paper on herpes; that no articles on neonatal herpes are quoted, that the information on herpes that they quote is 12-18 years old; that two of the cases cited in the report never happened; that all the cases fit the diagnosis of maternally transmitted Herpes like a glove; that neither all the mohelim nor all the mothers were tested, so the article cannot begin to make a determination where the infection came from; etc., etc. Or did you address it as a “barbaric backwards goyishe minhag” that should be abolished? Next question: If modern science says that metzitzah is dangerous (which it doesn’t) and science is relied on to abolish a three thousand year old Jewish minhag, it’s about thirty years now that science claims (through DNA and other methods) that the source of tachaylis is shellfish called murex trunculus. A book called, “Tekhelet: Renaissance of a Mitzvah” has chapters by Rabbi .Dr. Lamm, Rabbi Dr. Moshe Tendler, Rabbi Herschel Schacter and Dr. Baruch Sterman. Question: If we are talking about a mitzvah d’oreisah, why don’t any of these “Gedolim” wear techaylis? Why is science only used by these people to discontinue Jewish practices and not to reinforce them? More here
October 4th, 2006 at 6:37 am
The Holy Shrink Says:
October 3rd, 2006 at 7:34 am
….PETA the organization that cares about animals gives millions of dollars to the Palestinian cause … so much for the people worried about chickens…
There is no record in the PETA 990s available at ... of any donation to Palestinian causes. They did donate to Israeli animal rights activists. That aside, according to Virginia Dept of Agriculture reports, PETA euthanizes about 2000 domesticated animals a year, because it’s easier to kill them than to feed, house, and clean up after them. ... PETA did write a letter to Arafat asking him not use animals for carrying bombs after a bomb laden donkey was discovered trying to cross into Israel.
October 4th, 2006 at 8:26 am
> If the lawa was against renting the school for prayer gatherings, then why did they rent it out to him?
The answer is simple: The person who submitted the paperwork to the school district to rent the facility misrepresented the intended use. If Rabbi Tendler’s minyan minions had been honest with the school district regarding their plans to daven in the school, ERCDS would have followed the law and not rented to them. I’d guess that the intended purpose on the application is listed as ‘cultural event’ or ‘religious education’.
October 4th, 2006 at 9:33 am
Dovid Shatz wrote: “A book called, “Tekhelet: Renaissance of a Mitzvah? has chapters by Rabbi .Dr. Lamm, Rabbi Dr. Moshe Tendler, Rabbi Herschel Schacter and Dr. Baruch Sterman. Question: If we are talking about a mitzvah d’oreisah, why don’t any of these “Gedolim? wear techaylis? Why is science only used by these people to discontinue Jewish practices and not to reinforce them?”
I know personally that Rav Lamm and Rav Schachter DO wear the tekhelet they endorse in this book.
October 4th, 2006 at 11:36 pm
David Shatz: Simple solution to metzitzah issue, test the babies and the mohel. Then we can perform metzitzah b’peh for those who wish to continue the tradition. A meyuta d’meyuta (relying on a neligible minority of the cases) does not apply where one can test for the possibility. Refer you to Rav Wosner for detailed discussion.
To all Chicken Lovers and Wavers: This is a Tendler blog. If needed we can request Steven to start a thread for discussing/debating mihags. Please reframe from posting non-related issues unless you are suggesting that we subsitute MT for the chickens.
October 5th, 2006 at 3:52 am
Resident of NH Says:
September 30th, 2006 at 10:07 pm
Kish Mich, it doesn’t take a Rocket scientist to know that Mordechai and Esther would be very sad to see this minhag of mishloach manot evolved to be one where all of us are running around all day delivering to the Rov, the teachers (all 36 of them), the neighbors, etc.
רמב”? הלכות מגילה פרק ג
יז וכן חייב לשלוח שתי מנות של בשר, ?ו של מיני תבשיל
, ?ו שני מיני ?וכלין–לחברו: שנ?מר “ומשלוח מנות,
?יש לריעהו” (?סתר ט,יט; ?סתר ט,כב)–שתי מנות,
ל?ד? ?חד. וכל המרבה לשלוח לריעי?, משובח
Rambam Hilchos megila chap 2 halacha 2
A person is required to send 2 portions of meat or two types of cooked items or types of food, to his friend. As it is stated “and sending portions a man to his friend” that is: two portions to one friend. And anyone who increases in sending to his friends is praiseworthy.
Unless of course you live in New Hempstead, then this “Minhag” as stated in the Rambam (halachos, halachos) doesn’t apply.
Blue Fringe Says:
October 4th, 2006 at 9:33 am
Dovid Shatz wrote: “A book called, “Tekhelet: Renaissance of a Mitzvah? has chapters by Rabbi .Dr. Lamm, Rabbi Dr. Moshe Tendler, Rabbi Herschel Schacter and Dr. Baruch Sterman. Question: If we are talking about a mitzvah d’oreisah, why don’t any of these “Gedolim? wear techaylis? Why is science only used by these people to discontinue Jewish practices and not to reinforce them??
I know personally that Rav Lamm and Rav Schachter DO wear the tekhelet they endorse in this book.
Well in that case, they should visit this website. The site supports the Radzyner position and documents that the murex trunculus school of thought is seriously flawed, refuting it from many angles.
David Pollack Says:
October 4th, 2006 at 11:36 pm
David Shatz: Simple solution to metzitzah issue, test the babies and the mohel. Then we can perform metzitzah b’peh for those who wish to continue the tradition.
It is interesting that those that wish to abolish metzitzah and publish in medical journals didn’t bother doing that. Don’t you think so? And instead ignored published reports on neonatal herpes, resorted to using 12-18 year old information, and FALSIFIED DATA, I’ll repeat that, FALSIFIED DATA, one more time FALSIFIED DATA. Read the article. Cases 5 and 6 never happened. Read the follow up article in the Feb 2005 issue of the IMA Harefuah. The same authers quote their PEDIATRICS article as saying “A recent study relates to eight infants who became infected with herpes virus as a result of the procedure” Even though the article actually only suggest the possiblity and makes no conclusive statements. This a relevant post. It seems dishonesty runs in the family.
October 5th, 2006 at 9:50 am
David Shatz,
I’m not sure if this discussion is relevant to this post, but you peaked my curiosity.
The question I have is whether it is possible to contract Herpes through metzitzah (or for the mohel to become infected from an already infected baby). My gut reaction would be to logically assume that it is possible, as well as HIV - as in the medical listings of risks for any of the bloodborne and mucous membrane transmitting diseases, oral contact is not considered high risk, but is nonetheless listed as moderate risk. Having said that, David Pollack’s suggestion for having the babies tested, and the mohel would have to be tested on a relatively regular basis - seems like a reasonable solution to the problem. Yet some of the more medically inclined parents might still choose not to do metzitzah.
However, I firmly believe that the data was falsified, and that the tactics by the guy that viciously opposed this practice were unethical. I don’t believe any information coming out from that family.
Is it true that Rabbi Heineman in Baltimore paskened not to do metzitzah many years ago?
October 5th, 2006 at 1:34 pm
David Schatz-
Years ago, people sent a simple shaloach manos to many people, I remember getting some hamentashen and oranges and that was it. Many Rabbonim are against this practise of sending very expensive shaloach manot, and then skimping on the matanos laevyonim. Which has to be sent to two people. In my family, we send a good amount of shaloach manot, but we spend much more money on giving to needy people who need food and clothing, not all this candy trash that we dump on them after purim is over.
The HALACHAH is that you only send one shaloach manos, and some of the neighbors, great. But the Rambam did not drive a car around all of Egypt, or wherever he lived delivering shaloch manos all day, especially these sugar loaded nasherai (the kids need a day off from school afterwards to detoxify). The Rambam also says that you should only eat to satiate hunger, and that’s it!
Anyways, it is true there are worse things going on in the community than the shaloach manos, we have some really serious issues that I feel are not addressed and dealt with because noone wants to say anything. We live in a phobic world where if you open your mouth it will effect your shidduchim, so everyone just clams up and keeps there nose clean.
October 5th, 2006 at 2:02 pm
Hey Resident of NH: what are some of the issues in the community you think we need to deal with?
October 5th, 2006 at 3:20 pm
Haha, do you really want to get me started?? Actually, there are many lovely things that I like about Monsey, but there is always room for improvement, correct? One thing that bothers me very much is that some women are wearing clothes that are way too tight. Even maternity clothes are skin tight. One time i was at the purple pear and i saw a woman who looked like she had no top on. On closer inspection, i saw she was wearing a tight skin colored shirt. I am not saying we should walk around in a tent dress (remember those?), but these tight clothes really take away from the dignity of a woman.
One thing that i would like to see improvement in is in the diagnosis and treatment of learning disabilities in children who are in the yeshiva system. There are many boys and girls that have this, and instead of being diagnosed they are branded as a bad apple. These are yiddishe neshamos who are being tossed in the garbage like a used tissue. I know the yeshivos are trying their best, but we need more experienced and trained teachers that will not destroy the self esteem of these children.
I also would like there to be more ahavat yisroel, it seems to me that we are way too busy judging everyone else and looking them up and down. Sometimes i like to shop in a “goyish” area so people don’t have to inspect me up and down (who am i dressing up for, the cashier?) and to answer their twenty one questions about myself when i know they couldn’t care less. I was in New City today, it was kind of nice to just go about my business in privacy!
October 6th, 2006 at 11:09 am
I do not know how we keep on getting off the Tendler scandals. But, the topic of a mohel infecting a newborn male with genital herpes is very important. Below is a summary of an article taken from Medline. It concludes that there is a serious risk to a newborn of receiving herpes simplex virus where the mohel makes oral contact with the wound. My own opinion is that the Monsey mohel who is alleged to have transmitted the HSV disease to certain newborns should have been prosecuted criminally if he tested positive for carrying the HSV antibodies. In Rockland County, my opinion is that DA Bongiorno is a lackey for the ultra orthodox so you can rest assured that this will never happen. But, isn’t it interesting and depressingly reflective on the character of orthodox Judaism that its rabbis are more upset over treif chicken than whether Jewish male babies are permanently crippled or killed because they and the mohels are more concerned over tradition than the welfare of human beings. If the world needs to know what the Taliban are really like all they have to do is come to Monsey where rabbis consider science a four letter word. Gut Yom Tov.
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Neonatal genital herpes simplex virus type 1 infection after Jewish ritual circumcision: modern medicine and religious tradition.
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Pediatrics. 2004; 114(2):e259-63 (ISSN: 1098-4275)
Gesundheit B; Grisaru-Soen G; Greenberg D; Levtzion-Korach O; Malkin D; Petric M; Koren G; Tendler MD; Ben-Zeev B; Vardi A; Dagan R; Engelhard D
Pediatric Hematology/Oncology Unit, Soroka University Medical Center and the Faculty of Health Sciences, Ben Gurion University, Beer Sheva, Israel.
OBJECTIVE: Genital neonatal herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) infection was observed in a series of neonates after traditional Jewish ritual circumcision. The objective of this study was to describe neonate genital HSV-1 infection after ritual circumcision and investigate the association between genital HSV-1 after circumcision and the practice of the traditional circumcision. METHODS: Eight neonates with genital HSV-1 infection after ritual circumcision were identified. RESULTS: The average interval from circumcision to clinical manifestations was 7.25 +/- 2.5 days. In all cases, the traditional circumciser (the mohel) had performed the ancient custom of orally suctioning the blood after cutting the foreskin (oral metzitzah), which is currently practiced by only a minority of mohels. Six infants received intravenous acyclovir therapy. Four infants had recurrent episodes of genital HSV infection, and 1 developed HSV encephalitis with neurologic sequelae. All four mohels tested for HSV antibodies were seropositive.
[Seropositivity is the presence of a certain antibody in a blood sample. A patient with seropositivity for a particular antigen or agent is termed seropositive.]
CONCLUSION: Ritual Jewish circumcision that includes metzitzah with direct oral-genital contact carries a serious risk for transmission of HSV from mohels to neonates, which can be complicated by protracted or severe infection. Oral metzitzah after ritual circumcision may be hazardous to the neonate.
October 6th, 2006 at 4:33 pm
Resident of NH Says:
October 5th, 2006 at 1:34 pm
David Schatz-
Years ago, people sent a simple shaloach manos to many people, I remember getting some hamentashen and oranges and that was it. Many Rabbonim are against this practise of sending very expensive shaloach manot, and then skimping on the matanos laevyonim.
I’m glad that many Rabbanim are in agreement with the Rambam. It is a good sign they may be orthodox.
Rambam Hilchos Megilah Perek 2
[יז] מוטב ל?ד? להרבות במתנות ?ביוני?,
מלהרבות בסעודתו ובשלוח לריעיו–ש?ין ש? שמחה גדולה ומפו?רה,
?ל? לשמח לב עניי? ויתומי? ו?למנות וגרי?,
שהמשמח לב ה?מיללי? ה?לו מידמה בשכינה,
שנ?מר “להחיות רוח שפלי?, ולהחיות לב נדכ?י?”
Jeffrey F. Cohen, Esq. Says:
October 6th, 2006 at 11:09 am
I do not know how we keep on getting off the Tendler scandals. But, the topic of a mohel infecting a newborn male with genital herpes is very important. Below is a summary of an article taken from Medline. It concludes that there is a serious risk to a newborn of receiving herpes simplex virus where the mohel makes oral contact with the wound. My own opinion is that the Monsey mohel who is alleged to have transmitted the HSV disease to certain newborns should have been prosecuted criminally if he tested positive for carrying the HSV antibodies.
Jeffrey,
Stick to law. As far as I know, a person in America is innocent until proven guilty. Dr. M.D. Tendler should have been prosecuted for slander when he accused Rabbi Fisher of killing two babies BEFORE ANY INVESTIGATION WAS DONE! His article is intended to mislead people. If you can explain how the May 1847 discovery of Dr. Ignaz Semmelweiss influenced the Chasam Sofer, who died in 1839, to make a ruling on metzitzah, I would be interested in hearing your explanation. Please explain where Semmelweiss saw a circumcised baby with tuberculosis. His book makes no mention of it. Not in the 1861 original in German, and not the 1983 English translation. (I’ll lend them to you if you want.) If you read the article only 6 babies were tested, and only 6 babies were treated, out of eight (2 babies were untested and untreated for a disease that is 80%+ fatal when untreated. Yet they recovered better than some of the babies that were treated. Read the article and you must conclude cases 5 and 6 never happened.) Only 3 of 6 mohelim were tested, not four, as the article claims, read table 1. The article claims because maternally transmitted herpes is 80% HSV-2, the fact that the baby got HSV-1, it is a sign that it came from the mohel. A 3 year study of 100,000 women in Canada, published in the June 2006 issue of PEDIATRICS (same magazine that published Tendlers article) shows 62.5% of maternally transmitted herpes is HSV-1. The presentation time for maternally transmited herpes fits like a glove to all the cases listed. The article makes no mention of comparison presentation statistics or incubation period. SERONEGATIVITY IS A HIGH RISK FACTOR IN TRANSMITTING HERPES TO NEONATE from primary first episode infections, not a limiting factor. (50%, as opposed to 1-3% for reoccurring infections) Study the cutting edge material that Tendler does not quote. Drs. Whitley, Kimberlin, Nahamias, etc.
This is Dr. Rabbi M.D. Tendler’s article that you have quoted, in it’s totality, in it’s original location. It only suggests the possibility, it makes no concrete determination. It also slurs the entire chareidi community.
Here is a critique of the article
Have a good Yom Tov.
October 8th, 2006 at 10:36 pm
Sunday, October 08, 2006
Great Kiddush Hashem At KNH
The Yomim Tovim (Holidays) are not over yet, but anyone that attended any of the Tefillos (prayer services) at Kehilat New Hempstead came away with a great feeling of joy and spirituality.
Today the second day of Succos, they had to open the extension to accommodate the people. There was a feeling of “achdus” (unity) in the air, and one could actually see and experience the optimism of all who attended.
There was no question that KNH is already moving forward and is thriving and will with G-d’s help be a Kehillah of Leadership and Chesed in New Hempstead once again!
posted by New Hempstead News @ 9:53 PM
October 8th, 2006 at 11:16 pm
Shulchan Orech, Orech Chaim, Siman 529:3-4
?ד? ?וכל ושותה ושמח ברגל ול? ימשוך בבשר וביין ובשחוק
וקלות ר?ש לפי ש?ין השחוק וקלות ר?ש שמחה ?ל? הוללות וסכלות
ול? נצטוינו על ההוללות והסכלות ?ל? על שמחה שיש בה עבודת היוצר:
(ד) חייבי? ב”ד להעמיד שוטרי? ברגלי? שיהיו משוטטי? ומחפשי? בגנות
ובפרדסי? ועל הנהרות של? יתקבצו ש? ל?כול ולשתות ?נשי? ונשי?
ויבו?ו לידי עבירה וכן יזהירו בדבר זה לכל הע? של? יתערבו ?נשי? ונשי?
בבתיה? בשמחה ול? ימשכו ביין שמ? יבו?ו לידי עבירה ?ל? יהיו כול? קדושי?:
But of course you knew that, right?
October 9th, 2006 at 7:05 am
To the leadership of KNH: That we have a BOARD MEMBER who can make this kind of statement:
“But, isn’t it interesting and depressingly reflective on the character of orthodox Judaism that its rabbis are more upset over treif chicken than whether Jewish male babies are permanently crippled or killed because they and the mohels are more concerned over tradition than the welfare of human beings.”
One which smacks of anti-semitism or at the very least anti-orthodoxy, not to mention heresy, is indicative of a serious and insidious malaise that still festers within the walls of KNH and has NOTHING to do with TENDLER. There is NO EXCUSE for statements like these. Is KNH someplace a frum person can feel secure knowing that people in LEADERSHIP ROLES feel this way? Haven’t we suffered enough? If these words do not shock and awe and insult and hurt anyone reading them then oy nuh lonu - surely we are yesoimim. To suggest that anyone feels this way, regardless of the metzitzah issues, let alone orthodoxy, is simply an atrocity.
Perhaps KNH is moving in the direction to fill the void that MJC will leave. That’s fine, but if it is, then it is no longer for me.
Consider your ranks less one absent a retraction of these words, and that is less one who will be leaving with nothing to do with the fomer rabbi.
October 9th, 2006 at 8:40 am
To Anonymous:
I stand by my words. Interestingly, and reflective on your character is the fact that YOU will not publish under your name. Rabbis to me are not supermen; they put their pants on one leg at a time. While they may be entitled to deference for their learning, it does not mean that they are to be worshipped or are the complete bastions of integrity, honesty and courage. To have such a mindset of rabbinical perfection is the same as having the mindset of the radical muslims. Plenty of mindless allegiance with not enough self esteem to think independently of what God expects of you.
Concerning Mr. Shotz, I did not mention the mohel’s name whose circumcisions came under review because some of his patients were found to have contracted HSV. But, this person has never revealed whether he ever was tested for the HSV virus, and if so whether he tested seropositive.
Is this courage, is this integrity, is this honesty as required by a righteous person? The answer is a resounding “No” and yet the Monsey community offers him protection just as it has to Tendler until a few, yes a very few rabbis, came out of the woodwork to disclose the nature and extent of the allegations of misconduct against him.
It is not me and my thoughts who should be under the scrutiny of the religious police that Anonymous and yes Mr. Shotz want to put me under. The truth is that men and women who assert their righteous behavior and thoughts must be scrutinized in light of the Tendler matter, the mohel matter, the stealings of millions by members of the Orthodox community, the disrespect for local zoning variances, the support of Israel and Zionism, the silence on the Pollard imprisonment, the ’sale’ of votes, and other items of importance.
And to Anonymous, as for me being on the KNH Board, you may rest assured that I will never, as long as I am there, be a shill for any Rabbi. My allegiance is to the membership whose hard earned contributions and expenditures of time make the shul run. My allegiance is to those, who, but for a few rabbis (eg Rabbi Twersky), took firm and decisive action against Tendler when their generous overtures to Tendler for a separation with dignity were harshly rejected and rewarded instead with lawsuits.
Returning finally to Dovid Shatz’s remarks on HSV, I quoted not from Tendler, but from medical literature. I do not understand your consternation. Almost everyone is required by law and, I would add, by common decency, to account for their actions particularly if unaccountablility poses a risk, particularly, a health risk to others. Is it too much to ask, that mohels who do metzitzah be periodically tested for HSV and if they are positive refrain from the practice.? To say that there is no risk is to put yourself in a disturbingly and intentionally ignorant class like the ones who believe that the sun revolves around the earth? I am not a doctor, but neither are you, and I know of at least one physician, very orthodox, who is vehemently against the practice. I suggest that you also make similar inquiries of physicians.
My own opinion is that the practice should be outlawed, but if not, then testing is appropriate because any babies who become so infected will because of the devastating effects of the disease probably become public charges. Instead of going after me, Mr. Shotz, why not demand that the test results of the subject mohel be released to the public?
October 9th, 2006 at 10:46 am
Dovid Shatz, can you please explain your post about men and women eating together? thank you.
October 9th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
Jeff, although I personally would opt against metzitzah ba’peh for my own sons (even the threat of STD transmission is enough for me), I think that the idea of outlawing it is dangerous - such a trend could lead to loss of many other religious rights that we have. It’s a dangerous Pandora’s box to open. However, I fully support mandatory, regular testing, it’s a fair, logical solution. Of course, all parents should have the right to obtain results of testing from any mohel that they have hired who will be performing the ritual in this manner (but ironically in our society it probably would be considered a violation of his civil rights to disclose such information).
October 9th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
Isn’t a board member’s responsibility to promote the mandates upon which the Shul was created? This is an orthodox shul, right? It is one thing for a member to make comments about outlawing minhagim, and yet another thing for a board member to espouse such beliefs, isn’t it? Jeff, what other minhagim would you abolish? Can we expect the mechitzah to come down? I mean, what’s next? Mixed dancing at the dinner? Should we expect a woman rabbi assuming the pulpit? How about less hebrew and more english reading, maybe with a microphone? Cars coming and going on shabbos? Why not? After all, the rabbis who were so vehemently against treif meat being sold are orthodox shills who don’t care about little babies, right? What else is wrong with what they do?
It sounds like Jeff’s mandate is to protect us from another Tendler, and not to move forward by working to promote true Orthodox values, ethical and moral living al pi haTorah. That’s a true shame. Whether he is man enough to admit it, and I doubt he is, Tendler is still running the show as far as Jeff is concerned, because he’s so busy looking out for the next one that he’s forgetting to do the job he was put there to do in the first place.
October 9th, 2006 at 5:07 pm
To Dovidel Shatz
Voos Hakst de a Zcheinik mit dem Rambam, Ich, bechvodie uvatzmie hub gedavened Succos in KNH, in nisht gezehn kein “taruvois”…
Der oilom fun KNH is merstens Baalei Teshuvah un meinen altz le’shem shmayim,
zei villin veren besere yidden, un ven dee shreibst deina shtissim, veren zei baleidekt.
Men ken chapen mer fligen mit honig
In az dee rets shoin ya vegen dem Rambam, vill ich de fragen, ztee men hut gehat “shotrim” ven der Squerer Rebbi hut geganvet dee “Pall Grants”?
Vee zenen dee “Shotrim” ven men ken zehn Satmerer Chassidim by Starbucks in Nyack Fritick Ze Nacht vatching de baseball game oif Shabbos??? (dus hut mir derzeilt {be’siach le’fee timah} a shiksa vos is a salesman voos farkoift mir farshidina zachen)
Ich halt az dee zolst oifheren mit deina naarishe comments, voos helft nisht dem matzev!
October 9th, 2006 at 5:14 pm
To Jeff:
I love you and I know that you mean well, however, Leave the issue of Metziziah to the Rabbis ….
This Metzizah was a Minhag Yisroel for thousands of years, in fact it was the Reform movement that started to mess with this minhag.
There are people out there that say that children die from a Bris too, will you outlaw that too?
Do me a favor and don’t discuss issues that are above your head both medically and halachically.
As far as the Doctor is concerned, most orthodox doctors find nothing wrong with Metziziah..
October 9th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
You can’t possibly take Jeff seriously. He is deficient in his beliefs about Judaism and Orthodoxy, but I know for a fact he was an important part in helping get Tendler out of the Shul. His orientation is meaningless to KNH, and as a Board member no one pays attention to him. I heard from a Board member that they needed to have someone speak to him about resigning from the Board. He most definitely does not represent what KNH is or what it strives to be.
Jeff simply needs attention, he is like a little child.
October 9th, 2006 at 8:57 pm
Holy Shrink, don’t Kiss Jeff’s ***. He is a big boy and knows that he is responsible for what he says initially, as well as when he subsequently either fully stuffs his foot down his throat or backpedals, whichever works. We’ve got some anonymous poster taking him way too seriously.
And being baal teshuva is no excuse for that kind of farkrumpte hashkofe.
October 9th, 2006 at 10:20 pm
For those of you blindly committed to metzitza, please read below the findings and opinions of physicians. including of Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the NYC commissioner of health and mental hygiene. At the very least, there is a compelling argument that the health of male children is put at risk by this practice. Employing untoward comments of deficiency in beliefs or accusations of childish behaviour when it comes to something as serious as this does not demean me or the science. Instead it indicates unspoken traits of narcissism and insecurity by the one proffering such remarks.
No one is trying to destroy orthodoxy, but if particular orthodox practices jeopardize the health of the defenseless, then they must be questioned, and when appropriate, discarded or tempered with precaution. We do this with bris milah. When necessary, it is delayed until the health of the child can sustain the bris. Judaism should not operate in an insular backward world. When delivered to the Jewish people, it was (and is) remarkably modern. It banned child sacrifice and placed restrictions on dangerous behaviour that could only lead to the destruction of society. Today, debate rages on the role of women in orthodoxy and the application of time honored restrictions on their learning and position in the faith. If orthodox Judaism can tolerate and engage in such discussions, then what possible threat can there be to the faith when the health of a newborn is at stake?
I have been criticized for my observation that more attention has been spent on the treif chicken issue than on possible dangers of metzizah. So what. To all those anonymous cowards throwing barbs at me, are they so insecure in their faith that they cannot see how the orthodox community tried to squelch criticism of metzizah whereas the treif chicken issue was the talk of the town with Rabbis tearing kriah. I am not a communist seeking to destroy the faith.
Spirituality is one thing, but Health and Life are much more important and deserve far greater attention. It is not a test of faith to, on the one hand, play Russian Roulette with your child’s health, and, on the other, go beserk for mistakenly tasting nonkosher food. That is sheer idiocy, and, in my opinion, is an attitude more consistent with the worship of the Caanite religions that Judaism replaced.
Lastly, this is not a slippery slope, unless one makes it one. No one is seeking to eliminate bris milah or shechita, although one of my orthodox friends has become a veggie because in his opinion, the slaughtering of cattle, as currently practiced, is inhumane. In the end, science is compatible with religion and Judaism, and we shouldn’t be at odds with it because under current conditions, one of Judaism’s minhags may now be dangerous. After all, didn’t the children of Israel refrain from circumcision because of an ill wind in the midbar? Different times may warrant different behaviour. It is that simple.
On another note, I have a suspicion of who Kish Mich and/or Anonymous is or are. Can either or both tell me who Bob Cousy is, or for that matter the starting lineup of the 1969 Knickerbockers.
December 14, 2005
NYC Discloses 2 New Cases Of Herpes From Circumcision Rite – City Calls On Jews To Stop Metzitza B’Peh, Issues Letter To Jewish Community
[UPDATED BELOW.]
Two more babies have contracted herpes from metzitza b’peh, oral-to-genital-suction during circumcision. The New York Times reports:
City health officials said yesterday that they had identified two new cases in which infants were infected with herpes this year during a circumcision ritual practiced by some Orthodox Jews. During the circumcision, the practitioner, or mohel, sucks the blood from the circumcision wound to clean it. Since 1988, health officials have identified at least five infants believed to have been infected during such procedures by Type 1 herpes, commonly carried by adults. One baby died and another may have suffered brain damage, health officials said. Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the commissioner of health and mental hygiene, disclosed the new cases yesterday in an open letter to Orthodox Jews in which he called upon parents to consider other religiously viable options, including using a tube or sponge. But he did not ban the practice.
Of course, he cannot ban the practice – Mayor Bloomberg, suspiciously close to the mayoral election this Fall, promised Satmar and Agudath Israel in an apparent pre-election quid-pro-quo that he would not do so, and turned the ‘investigation’ into the mohel (ritual circumciser) that started it all, Rabbi Yitzchok Fischer, over to a Satmar beit din (religious court). The beit din has not managed to deal with the case so far. (Its schedule must be very full dealing with their community’s ’special needs.’)
One thing is clear– haredim are willingly sacrificing children to preserve a part of the circumcision rite that is not biblically mandated, and was only made part of that rite based on 1500-year-old Talmudic science to protect the health of the infant. In the ultimate irony, rabbis now fight to needlessly endanger the lives of infants, not protect them.
The City has set up a special website to deal with the problem. The problem is that most of the communities still doing metzitza b’peh have banned the internet. At any rate, the City notes that:
In metzitzah b’peh, the mohel places his mouth on the freshly circumcised penis to draw blood away from the cut. If the mohel is infected with oral herpes (as most adults are), metzitzah b’peh can expose the infant to the herpes virus. While severe illness associated with this practice may be rare , there is a definite risk of infection.
Oral herpes spreads easily through saliva, especially when saliva touches a cut or break in the skin, such as during metzitzah b’peh.Most people with oral herpes don’t know they are infected and don’t have symptoms. Even without symptoms, however, people can spread the infection.
Because the immune system of newborns is not developed enough to fight serious infection, herpes infections pose grave risks to infants.
There is no proven way to reduce the risk of metzitzah b’peh
Although a mohel may use oral rinses or sip wine before metzitzah b’peh, there is no evidence that these actions reduce the spread of herpes. [This is Rabbi J.David Bleich’s ’solution’ to the problem – have the mohel rinse his mouth first. He said this to ‘refute’ Rabbi Moshe Tendler’s call to ban metzitza b’peh.] A mohel who takes antiviral medication may reduce the risk of spreading herpes virus during metzitzah b’peh, but there is no evidence that taking medication eliminates this risk.
Zachary Scholem Berger reports on a Dear Colleague letter sent yesterday by the NYC Health Department to physicians:
Dear Colleagues:
You may have heard about the Health Department’s recent investigation of several cases of herpes simplex type 1 infection in male infants following circumcision which included metzitzah b’peh.
Metzitzah b’peh is a practice performed by some mohelim (religious circumcisers) as part of the circumcision. After removing the foreskin, the mohel places his mouth on the baby’s freshly circumcised penis to draw away the blood. In 1998, the Health Department investigated two cases of neonatal herpes due to herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) – one of these infections occurred in 1988, the other in 1998. Both were associated with one mohel (Mohel A) who performed metzitzah b’peh during circumcision. Mohel A agreed to stop practicing metzitzah b’peh.
In November 2004, the Health Department was notified of 3 male infants with HSV-1. All were circumcised by one mohel (Mohel B), who performed metzitzah b’peh. The infants developed herpes infection in the genital area 8-10 days after circumcision and were hospitalized for several weeks. One baby died from the infection. Two cases were reported by physicians in 2005 and both are also consistent with infection from metzitzah b’peh. Every case occurred in the time frame consistent with transmission from metzitzah b’peh.
Our investigation found Mohel B to be the source of the 2004 cases, and metzitzah b’peh to be the means of infection for these and other cases, for the following reasons:
• The medical circumstances are inconsistent with infection acquired at delivery, in the newborn nursery, or from caretakers.
• Infection is consistent with acquisition of herpes at circumcision. For example, two infants who were circumcised several weeks after birth showed signs of infection in the time frame that would be expected were the infection acquired during circumcision.
• Several mothers tested negative for HSV-1, making it impossible for them to have been the source of infection.
• All infants tested culture-positive for HSV-1, which is found in the mouths of most adults.
• The location of herpes sores (on infant genitals and buttocks) is very unusual and strongly suggests that infection was introduced at the genitals.
With an estimated average of fewer than 30 cases of all forms of infant herpes infections occurring per year in New York City, the odds of one mohel being associated with 3 cases of neonatal herpes are infinitesimally small (about 6.9 million to 1). In the interest of allowing religious communities to address these health concerns first, the Health Department agreed to let rabbinical authorities ensure that the mohel stopped performing the practice at least until the authorities conclude an investigation. In addition, the connection between metzitzah b’peh and neonatal herpes has been documented in the medical literature. Three investigations published within the past 5 years (from New York City [1], Israel [2, 3] and Canada[3]) describe 11 cases of males with HSV-1 infections on their genitals following metzitzah b’peh. Among the 11 cases, there are 4 pairs of cases (including the 1988/1998 cases from New York City).
In the United States, approximately 70% of persons age 40 and older are infected with herpes simplex virus type 1. The mouth is the most common site of HSV-1 infection; HSV-1 spreads easily through infected saliva, especially when saliva comes in contact with a cut or break in the skin, such as occurs during metzitzah b’peh. Most adults with oral herpes do not know they are infected and do not have symptoms. Even without symptoms, however, people with oral herpes can spread the infection to others. If herpes lesions are present, they tend to occur (and recur) on the skin or mucous membranes at the site at which infection was introduced or in related dermatomes. HSV-1 infection is lifelong; antibody is evidence of infection.…
Sincerely,
Susan Blank, MD, MPH Julia Schillinger, MD, MSc
Assistant Commissioner Director of Surveillance, Epidemiology, and Research
Bureau of Sexually Transmitted Disease Control
New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene
But, there is more. The Health Commissioner’s letter (Download std-bris-commishletter.pdf) implies that the reason the City has not banned metzitza b’peh is that the haredi community would ignore the ban and further endanger infants by the added secrecy that would be involved:
The Department has reviewed all of the evidence and there exists no reasonable doubt that metzitzah b’peh can and has caused neonatal herpes infection. We have always maintained that it is our preference for the religious community to address these issues itself as long as the public’s health is protected. While some medical professionals and others in the Jewish community have called on the Department to completely ban metzitzah b’peh at this time, it is our opinion that educating the community through public health information and warnings is a more realistic approach.
October 11th, 2006 at 12:42 am
Anonymous, “what does deficient in his beliefs” mean? Also, Holy Shrink, wasn’t the bris abolished in the desert for 40 years becasue it was too dangerous? Listen, to eliminate a law punishable by karet is one thing, but to eliminate a custom or at least to postpone it because of a chance of injury (a viable one) seems to be quite rational. It’s funny becasue even if there is a slight chance of pikuach nefesh on shabbat (fire in a house), it can be broken, however with metzitzah which is a custom, most of you seem to believe that it takes precedence over potential injury/death. Where is the logic? Where is the rationality? So what if the first thing Reform did was to get rid of it, i doubt they did it for health reasons. Is it worth the injury of babies in order to prove a point like that?
And if you say there is no risk, well the fact is that there are cases of babies being severley injured becasue of an infected mohel-that is a fact
October 11th, 2006 at 5:45 am
Jury awards $11.3M over defamatory Internet posts
Posted 10/10/2006 10:07 PM ET
By Laura Parker, USA TODAY
A Florida woman has been awarded $11.3 million in a defamation lawsuit against a Louisiana woman who posted messages on the Internet accusing her of being a “crook,” a “con artist” and a “fraud.”
Legal analysts say the Sept. 19 award by a jury in Broward County, Fla. — first reported Friday by the Daily Business Review — represents the largest such judgment over postings on an Internet blog or message board. Lyrissa Lidsky, a University of Florida law professor who specializes in free-speech issues, calls the award “astonishing.”
Lidsky says the case could represent a coming trend in court fights over online messages because the woman who won the damage award, Sue Scheff of Weston, Fla., pursued the case even though she knew the defendant, Carey Bock of Mandeville, La., has no hope of paying such an award. Bock, who had to leave her home for several months because of Hurricane Katrina, couldn’t afford an attorney and didn’t show up for the trial.
“What’s interesting about this case is that (Scheff) was so vested in being vindicated, she was willing to pay court costs,” Lidsky says. “They knew before trial that the defendant couldn’t pay, so what’s the point in going to the jury?”
Scheff says she wanted to make a point to those who unfairly criticize others on the Internet. “I’m sure (Bock) doesn’t have $1 million, let alone $11 million, but the message is strong and clear,” Scheff says. “People are using the Internet to destroy people they don’t like, and you can’t do that.”
The dispute between the two women arose after Bock asked Scheff for help in withdrawing Bock’s twin sons from a boarding school in Costa Rica. Bock had disagreed with her ex-husband over how to deal with the boys’ behavior problems. Against Bock’s wishes, he had sent the boys to the boarding school.
Scheff, who operates a referral service called Parents Universal Resource Experts, says she referred Bock to a consultant who helped Bock retrieve her sons. Afterward, Bock became critical of Scheff and posted negative messages about her on the Internet site Fornits.com, where parents with children in boarding schools for troubled teens confer with one another.
In 2003, Scheff sued Bock for defamation. Bock hired a lawyer, but he left the case when she no longer could afford to pay him.
When Katrina hit in August 2005, Bock’s house was flooded and she moved temporarily to Texas before returning to Louisiana last June. Court papers that Scheff and her attorney David H. Pollack mailed to Bock were returned to Pollack’s office in Miami.
After Bock didn’t offer a defense, a Broward Circuit Court judge found in favor of Scheff. A jury then heard Scheff’s arguments about damages. Pollack did not seek a specific amount for the harm he says Scheff’s business suffered.
“Even with no opposing counsel and no defendant there, $11 million is a huge amount,” says Pollack, adding that Scheff is considering whether to try to collect any money from Bock. “The jury determined this was a significant enough issue. It’s not just somebody’s feelings are hurt; it’s somebody’s reputation is ruined.”
Bock says that when she moved back to her repaired house over the summer, she knew the trial was approaching but did not know the date. She says she doesn’t have the money to pay the judgment or hire a lawyer to appeal it. She adds that if the goal of Scheff’s lawsuit was to stifle what Bock says online, it worked.
“I don’t feel like I can express my opinions,” Bock says. “Only one side of the story was told in court. Nobody heard my side.”
October 11th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
The above post by anonymous on the florida jury award is indeed astonishing. For all of us when we discuss the Tendler situation, we should only express our personal opinions and not assume truth where there are allegations of impropriety. Normally, defamation is extremely difficult to prove. I had one case where a defendant was assailing my clients with accusations of being mobbed up, committing murder, etc., and the matter was dismissed as mere expressions of opinion. Additionally, defamation lawsuits are not normally worth the effort because a claimant has to prove damages resulting from the alleged defamatory remarks. In special instances, where the defamation is considered “per se” that is not the case.
So this should be a lesson that when addressing the Tendler matter we only discuss what is indisputable (e.g. the allegations of misconduct of a sexual nature, the dismissal from the RCA, his severance of employment relationship with Yeshiva University, an allegation of the transfer of money to a woman pursuant to an agreement between Tendler and the woman, the Marmelstein lawsuit in which Marmelstein has publicly accused Tendler of having an affair with her under the guise of therapy, and the rabbinic opinions against him). In my opinion, these are not defamatory in the least, and based upon such a record, one can legitimately formulate an opionion that Tendler is unfit to be a spiritual leader. In other words there is plenty out there upon which to make fair commentary.
So let’s be above board. And, oh yeah, I almost forgot to mention. Truth is an absolute defense.
October 11th, 2006 at 2:58 pm
I support Rabbi Tendler as a great leader of the jewish community. Bob Cousy played with the Celtics back in the ’60’s. duh.
October 11th, 2006 at 4:05 pm
Zipi Adlerstien writes Re:
Vicki Polin’s WARNING TO THE COMMUNITY OF BALTIMORE
The Awareness Center crossed the line. This is just spilling his blood for the sake of
sensationalism.
- In the USA, a person is considered innocent until he is found guilty.
- He has a right to visit his family.
- He left the Rabbanut and teaching.
- He went to a yeshiva boys choir concert. The likelihood of “endangering teen-age
girls in the bathrooms…is zero.
- What do you want him to do? Kill himself? He has a right to live. Have you no
Rachmanut on his parent, wife and children?
* Reminder, Just for the record:
I was and still am very supportive of the of the YULA girls who accused him of
molestation.
October 11th, 2006 at 6:17 pm
I hope that the above Anonymous poster is being facetious.
Anyone who truly believes that the pervert rasha MT is a great leader needs a busload of psychiatrists for treatment. Similar to the mass psychosis that was spreading in the Middle Ages when another pervert rasha (and megalomaniac) Shabbatai Zvi was viewed as a great leader. Thank G-d we put a stop to this one (MT) before he did the same type of damage.
October 11th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
There was an interesting tidbit in the Oct. 11 Journal News. It reported that the runaway bride from Georgia, Jennifer Wilbanks, who had faked her own kidnapping to avoid being married was now suing her former fiance. The sum of it was that both of them had negotiated a $500,000 deal to sell their story, but that the fiance had selfishly taken much of the proceeds.
Fact is I really don’t care so much for the story, except for the fact that someone was willing to pay a chunk of change for the rights to this peyton place episode. Which brings me, of course, to the alleged Tendler-Marmelstein tete-a-tetes. If this Georgia peach can make $500,000, it stands to reason that Marmelstein might be able to make much more moolah by selling her story. Allegations of ongoing trysts between her and the scion of one of the greatest rabbinic families is not only the stuff that magazine articles are made of, but of juicy movies and HBO specials.
The allegations in Marmelstein’s complaint read like something one might find in a movie script; maybe like a religious “A Place in the Sun” where a Montgomery Clift is swept off his feet by the beautiful and rich and refined Liz Taylor, yet having to keep secret his relationship with her polar and lowly opposite, Shelley Winters. Well, maybe it doesn’t quite fit the circumstances here, but there still seems to be enough intrigue here for someone to make a decent buck. Remember the death of the scarsdale diet doctor. Well, this may not have all of its beef, but I say there is still enough salsa here for the masses to lap up.
So, in my opinion, if money is what AM wants, she should get an agent; and if it is getting even with Tendler that she wants, well, she should get an agent. If her allegations are true, there is no way that something like this doesn’t get at least a ‘10′ rating in TV land.
In my opinion, Ms. M’s lawsuit is passe; it will take years before coming to trial, if it even survives the recently filed appeal. And who knows what could happen in between (forget about rowing on a lake–that could be very dangerous–see the movie). Having gone this far to make her point, Ms. M could well be frustrated and ultimately stonewalled by Tendler’s defense strategy and a stalwart judiciary drawing heavy lines in the sand against intrusion into religious matters.
Perhaps then, Ms. M would do better to have her case tried in the court of public opinion. In my opinion, her story would certainly be received better and she could well be paid handsomely for her troubles.
October 12th, 2006 at 5:56 am
I think someone should make a movie about the freak show known as KNH.
October 12th, 2006 at 7:50 am
Would anyone seriously consider retaining JC for representation after reading the advice he has given the 800 pound gorilla? Sounds like the only bar he passed serves Boone’s Farm Strawberry.
October 12th, 2006 at 8:30 am
Someone please please give JC some work so he can get off this blog. Anything, parking tickets would do fine for now.
He does not represent the interests of KNH in any way at all.
I would think that the Board at KNH must be up in arms over his nonsensical posts here. I could see how people would think KNH is a nut house if they didn’t actually know JC or the people at KNH.
He is one very lonely individual who is in desperate need of attention and approval.
G-d help him and his crazy views on the beautiful Orthodox world we live in.
October 12th, 2006 at 8:34 am
By the way does anyone know the status of the 2 lawsuits against KNH.
The Breach of Contract and the Deriviative.
Also, I heard that the President fo KNH - FB, personally summoned the plaintiffs in the derivative to Mechon L’Hoyra, what was the outcome. I also heard that R’ Feinsteins are completely backing off any type of support for MT and are livid over the Civil lawsuits and how their names are being used in that matter.
October 12th, 2006 at 3:32 pm
To anonymous October 11th, 2006 at 5:45 am
How many time do we bloggers have to win against your koolaid rabbi’s nonsense lawsuit before it sinks in to you and the rest of the koolaid drinkers that there is zero case against us? There has never been one single basis for suing us, nor has Team Tendler EVER stated one in ANY filed legal document. Not one. The truth is a complete defense.
Well here’s one more defeat of Team Tendler making it a complete shut out by the bloggers against rasha Tendler
The Superior Court granted our SLAPP motion this Thursday morning against Tendler.
...
October 12th, 2006 at 4:41 pm
Funny thing is had JWB retained Jeff he’d be doing 17 to life without the possibility of parole and eating his meals through a straw after meeting his “husband” during role call. Attica! Attica!
October 12th, 2006 at 4:46 pm
Just in case people missed it, there is a link above to a copy of the court order which is posted on the Public Citizen (our lawyers) website.
This should be filed as an Exhibit in every lawsuit that rasha Tendler has going to demonstrate his conduct in filing these lawsuits/counterclaims.
But to make it clear: Bloggers won, Team Tendler lost.
There is no spin Team Tendler, the koolaid crowd or Susie Smear of Susie’s Smear and Opinion (like she’ll ever run a story on the blogger lawsuit) can put on this loss.
October 13th, 2006 at 8:22 am
NEW HEMPSTAED NEWS - LATEST
Thursday, October 12, 2006
Tendler Loses Case Against New Hempstead News
Mordechai Tendler (”The Pervert”) lost round one in his case against the bloggers New Hempstead News, Jewish Whistle Blower and Jewish Survivors. The Superior Court of California granted our Slapp motion this morning. Which means that Tendler now has to pay our Attorney fees.
Judge Neal A. Cabrinha ruled that a plaintiff (Tendler)may not avoid liability for attorney fees and costs by voluntairly dismissing an action (Tendler tried to get his own suit against New Hempstead News dismissed) while a special motion to strike is pending. The Judge wrote “Defendants (the bloggers) have demonstrated that they would have prevailed on the merits of the motion but for the voluntary dismissal.”
In other words the bloggers believe that they would have one the case based on our arguments.
Tendler will now have to cough up Thousands of Franklins in addition to the $100,000.00 that he already paid to one of his victims.
We knew that if we put Mordy’s feet to the fire he would back off, but this time we wouldn’t let him off so easy….
Mordy, think of all the strange women you held in your arms, when you hold the Torah on Simchas Torah across the street of KNH in the public school!
Think of all the marriages you destroyed, when you get your “aliyah” (not the one in your pants)on Simchas Torah…
posted by New Hempstead News @ 9:51 PM
TIME TO GET THIS INFO TO THE MEDIA THAT HAS BEEN COVERING THIS CHILUL HASHEM
October 13th, 2006 at 8:43 am
Did Judge Cabrinha schedule a hearing for the determination of defendants’ legal fees, and if and when there is a judgment, in my opinion, it should be converted into a New York Judgment and docketed against Tendler’s property, and all of Tendler’s creditors, actual or potential should be notified of it.
To Kish Mich: any clue as to who Bob Cousy is, or Satch Sanders, KC Jones, Sam Jones, Bill Russell, Joe Lapchick, John Havilchek, or the any one of the starting lineup of the ‘69 Knicks are?
October 13th, 2006 at 10:59 am
Jeff, who could forget MVP Willis Reed’s trot onto the court before game 7 in the Finals against the Laker’s? The real question is do you recall which rookie center/team the Knicks beat to get to the finals? Hondo is the standout player in your list - nothing short of a magnificent career, a true clutch player. But please don’t tell me you’re a Celtics fan.
October 13th, 2006 at 11:16 am
Which discretionary fund will MT go to now to get his koolaid drinkers money funelled through.
Looks like YT, JE and a few select others will be getting phone calls shortly.
October 13th, 2006 at 11:24 am
Below is a reprint of a sickening situation involving an alleged pedophile rabbi have sought refuge and being given it in Israel. If such a thing can happen, then perhaps Tendler would receive the same degree of sanctuary in the Promised Land.
To Kish Mich: God you bring back the glory in my life. To see Willis with that hip pointer hitting the first two jumpers and then Dave Stallworth running rings around Wilt, and Walt Frazier lighting it up. My only regret……….I was never a Celtic fan, but I loved Jerry West. And could the rookie center have been Lew Alcindor (aka Kareem Abul Jabbar). Lord I miss those days; nobody had to worry if someone was in your old ladies’ pants (except, of course, pop). You went to shul and hebrew school and so what if the rabbi slapped you in the face for flipping baseball cards in the sanctuary. You deserved it and went on with your life. Egg creams and cheap beer and maybe a doubleheader at the stadium where you fried your butt off in the bleachers for 75 cents, or it’s late September, and you sneak down from the upper deck to the box seats in a game in late September where the Yankees and Horace Clark are playing the Tigers–way before ‘68. Stickball, street football, and basketball with steel rims screwed into the brick walls of the school yard. Oh, how I pine for those days of innocence. zYou know, I feel sorry for Tendler. He probably never had such delights.
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 16:29:01 -0400
Child Sex Abuse Case Still Haunts
The Cold Case of Avrohom Mondrowitz and the Silencing
of a Community
Avrohom Mondrowitz, accused of sexually abusing boys
in Brooklyn , N.Y. , in the 1980s currently lives in
Israel . (ABC)
By ROXANNA SHERWOOD
Oct. 11, 2006 — Retired New York Police Department
Det. Pat Kehoe still remembers a phone call she got
more than 20 years ago, from a person making
allegations that a rabbi was sexually abusing children
in his neighborhood.
“I never received a call like that in my whole career
in the New York City Police Department. Never,” Kehoe
told Cynthia McFadden in a recent interview.
“I’ll never forget it because unfortunately it was my
birthday, November 21 1984. I was working in the
Brooklyn Sex Crimes squad and I received an anonymous
call from a male who started to say that there was a
rabbi and gave the name and he was abusing people on
this block,” she said.
Rabbi Avrohom Mondrowitz, as he called himself, lived
on a tree-lined block in the Borough Park section of
Brooklyn . Kehoe and her partner, Sal Catafulmo, went
out to the neighborhood where Italians and Hasidic
Jews lived side-by-side.
At one of the first addresses they tried, she says a
resident told her “Everyone knows Rabbi Mondrowitz.
He’s good to all our children. He buys them bicycles
and takes them away on weekends and things.”
That might sound like a recommendation, but not to
Kehoe.
“With that information I got very scared,” she said.
Kehoe’s background in an NYPD pedophilia squad taught
her to recognize the signs of pedophilia.
“Pedophiles have a pattern with children to get their
confidence and send their so-called love, you might
say, and buy them things,” she said.
What she heard from the children themselves only
confirmed her gut feelings.
“We brought them in without their parents,” Kehoe
said. “They started to tell us, ‘The rabbi is our
friend. He takes us away,’ and things like that. As
the questions became more difficult for the children —
‘Did anything ever happen? Did anything sexual ever
happen? Are you aware of it happening to anyone else
while you were there?’ — they all broke down and
cried, each one separately.”
According to Kehoe, the children painted a clear
picture of abuse. Kehoe says the children told her
that the rabbi had fondled them, had sexual relations
with them, and that he had fondled others in front of
them.
Apparently the self-proclaimed rabbi — Mondrowitz had
no formal rabbinical credentials — was counseling
young Orthodox boys in the basement office of his home
in Borough Park .
Kehoe and her partner immediately obtained a search
warrant for his home. When they got to the address,
there was no answer at the door, so Kehoe climbed
through the basement window.
The alleged pedophile and his family had fled and his
house was completely vacant but for what Kehoe says
were up to a hundred files of Orthodox boys that
Mondrowitz had been counseling in his basement office.
Kehoe and her partner reached out to all of the
Orthodox boys’ families, she says, but no one would
talk.
“They were members of the Hassidic community, and as
we found out through the investigation — at the time I
wasn’t completely aware of all the different rules in
the Hassidic community. And one of the things is that
if one of them is ever sexually abused, whether it be
by a pedophile or raped, there’s a very large stigma
that prevents them from getting married and going
forward with their lives if this is ever found out or
brought to anyone’s attention,” she said.
The only victims that cooperated with the
investigation were Italian. They were neighborhood
boys who trusted the rabbi because he bought them
gifts like bicycles. Not a single Orthodox Jewish boy
or their parents would talk to the police.
The statements of four Italian boys, aged 11 through
16, were the basis for the indictment against Avrohom
Mondrowitz. He was facing eight counts of sexual abuse
in the first degree, endangering the welfare of a
child, and five counts of sodomy in the first degree.
The allegations against Mondrowitz were shocking to
those who knew him. Rabbi Herbert Bomzer has been a
fixture among ultra-Orthodox rabbis in Brooklyn for
more than 50 years. He is president of the Flatbush
Rabbinical Board, composed of nearly 100 rabbis. He
hired Mondrowitz to counsel boys at a school for
Orthodox boys in the late 1970s.
“He was very effective, so much so that toward the end
of the school year when they were planning the
graduation exercise the student reps requested that I
should invite him to be the guest speaker at the
exercise,” Bomzer said.
Young boys were equally impressed with the charismatic
older man. Mark Weiss was one of them. At 13 years
old, growing up in Chicago , Weiss says he was having
trouble fitting in and reconciling his orthodoxy with
the outside world. In the summer of 1980, his father
sent Weiss to New York to receive counseling from
Mondrowitz.
“He had kind of a sporty little car, and he had this
really cool sound system in there. And right off the
bat I remember being just completely overwhelmed with
just like how cool this guy is,” Weiss said. “He took
me out to eat. He took me out to lunch, to dinner. He
took me to an amusement park. He took me sightseeing
here.”
Weiss trusted the man so much that with his family
away on a trip to the mountains, he didn’t hesitate
when Mondrowitz invited him to sleep in his own bed
with him, telling him, Weiss says, that it might be
more comfortable there than in another bedroom in the
front of the house.
What Weiss says happened in the rabbi’s bedroom is
something that even to this day makes him
uncomfortable to talk about, but he knows how
important it is to tell his story, not only for the
sake of raising consciousness but for his own healing.
He says that over the course of the week he spent with
Mondrowitz, the older man sodomized him on multiple
occasions.
Weiss says he tucked the experience away in the
deepest recesses of his mind and did not think of it
again, that is, until five years later, in 1984, when
as an 18-year-old, he was celebrating the holidays in
Chicago where he says Mondrowitz was also visiting
family.
“I look across the room, and across the room I see
Remel Mondrowitz,” Weiss said. “It just hit me like a
ton of bricks what had happened and I froze. And I
just sort of went into a state of shock.”
Everything came back to him, he said.
“I realized that I was sexually molested when I was
thirteen years old,” he said
Weiss immediately turned to his parents for guidance.
He first told his mother.
“She was just completely incredulous. She couldn’t
accept what I was telling her,” Weiss said. “What I
was telling her was essentially shaking the entire
infrastructure to its foundation, really, because it
was more than just me being molested. It was just the
unraveling of the entire foundation of her support
system and of her religious infrastructure.”
His father was also devastated and confused — after
all, this was a man he respected and knew. Weiss said
his father told him Mondrowitz was a frum man — a
religious Jew.
His father’s belief that this is perhaps an experience
better kept quiet is a view, Weiss said, his father
still maintains today.
“Just a few short days ago, my father was in a panic
that this was just going to turn into a huge Chillul
Hashem, which is a disgrace of God’s name,” Weiss
said. “A bad image would be cast upon Judaism and
orthodox Judaism and the Jewish people.”
Now a 39-year-old husband and father of three sons,
Weiss said he has carried his painful memory of abuse
silently for years. About five years ago, when he and
his family were living in Denver , he saw an
announcement in a Jewish publication for an event for
survivors of sexual molestation.
He was ecstatic at the prospect that his community was
finally prepared to confront this problem, so he
immediately booked a flight to New York .
“It was going to be this night in which survivors were
to be able to meet with leaders of the Jewish
community and they were to be able to address and to
tell their stories essentially and to be heard for the
first time, really, in a public forum in the right
wing religious community,” he said. But the event did
not unfold as he had imagined or hoped it would.
“It was very clear, unfortunately, that the rabbis who
were there and the leaders of our community didn’t
really have an understanding of what it was they were
there to do,” he said.
“None of the survivors got to say a word. Any
questions that were to be asked were written down on
these little index cards and they sort of cherry
picked the most benign questions and subsequent
comments that were followed up by the rabbis really
had nothing to do with actual sexual molestation
whatsoever,” he said.
When the evening was over, Weiss said he was
devastated.
“Anybody who was really a victim and really had gone
through some horrible experiences was really
shell-shocked. We sort of all walked around like we
had just survived a plane crash.”
A Fall 2000 ad in the Jewish Image published an
announcement for one such event, “Let’s talk about
what never happened…” and in small letters underneath
“…but it did.” Another ad that ran in a 2001 Jewish
Observer advertising one such event bears in its
heading a clear message of silence: “SHHH…”
“Because of the unwillingness to expose it, pedophiles
can operate pretty safely in the orthodox community?”
McFadden asked Mark Weiss. “It’s fertile ground. It’s
fertile ground,” Weiss readily replied.
“I’ve met victims and survivors who have been told by
their rabbis they shouldn’t say anything because this
is what we call Lashone Harah,” explained Rabbi Mark
Dratch, an officer of the Rabbinical Council of
America and head of JSafe, an organization to help
Orthodox Jewish victims of domestic violence and sex
abuse.
The biblical concept of Lashone Harah is “gossip or
slander, a biblical prohibition against maligning
another person, against speaking ill of another
person,” and holds even when the allegations being
made are proven true, Dratch said.
There’s another biblical concept at play when dealing
with sex abuse and domestic violence in the community,
he said.
“It’s called Mesira. And that’s a prohibition on the
books of reporting fellow Jews to the authorities
under any circumstances,” Dratch said.
The mesira edict was published in a Yiddish-language
Orthodox Brooklyn newspaper called Der Blatt in the
wake of a case of a 6-year-old Orthodox Jewish boy who
had brought allegations against a rabbi who had been
tutoring him. The case was brought before the Brooklyn
district attorney, who ultimately disbanded the grand
jury on the case.
Sociologist Amy Neustein, an Orthodox Jewish woman who
studies sex abuse in the community and who says she
has spoken to members of the victim’s family, said the
Hebrew publication that ran under the title “Severe
Warning and Prohibition” drove the child’s family out
of town.
“Rabbis sign on to this edict about Mesira stating
that he who informs to the Christian authorities can
be murdered at the first opportunity,” Neustein said.
“Well of course that sends such a chill to the family
that they pick themselves up with their children, from
Brooklyn and they ran out of the county.”
“Victims are very hesitant to come forward,” Dratch
said. “Number one is the denial of the community. So
there is a fear that they are not going to be
believed.
“Secondly, it’s — I’ll use a wonderful Yiddish word —
it’s called Shanda, the shame of it all. And
individuals are afraid of what the impact of their
report will be on themselves personally and on their
family and on the extended family,” he said.
“The shame is that Mondrowitz didn’t get arrested. To
me that was the shame,” Kehoe said.
Mondrowitz, now 58 years old, has been living
comfortably in Israel since 1985, and the retired NYPD
detective said she believes he has been amassing new
victims.
“Hundreds, I’m sure. He’s been in Israel almost 20
years,” Kehoe said. “It’s a sickness. It’s something
that you have to do every time when you find a new
victim.”
In the wake of recent allegations against another
Brooklyn Orthodox rabbi, several Orthodox Jewish men
alleging that they too were sexually abused by
Mondrowitz have come forward to tell of the abuse that
they say has haunted them.
Michael Lesher, an attorney who represents six alleged
victims of Mondrowitz, including Mark Weiss, said it
is similar to what has happened with the Catholic
Church.
“The comparisons are obvious, but I would say at the
same time that what we are seeing in the Jewish
community is in some respects worse because it’s more
institutionalized,” he said.
Rabbi Mark Dratch agrees.
“As an outsider to the Catholic Church, it seems to me
that there is an infrastructure or a hierarchy and
they have the mechanism, they really do have the
mechanism to effect systemic change in a much easier
way in a much more efficient way and a much quicker
way because of that hierarchy,” Dratch said. “In the
Orthodox world, we don’t have such a hierarchy. There
is no pope and there are no levels of responsibility
and answerability.”
Dratch said there is no way to really gauge how
widespread the problem is in the community, “because
of this conspiracy of silence.”
All parties involved with this story wanted to make
sure that one thing was absolutely clear — that there
is sex abuse against children in every community. They
would like to see changes in the way some rabbinical
leaders handle the allegations when they surface.
“The biggest thing that I worry about really is that I
represent the story well and not pre-cast it off in
way that this just looks like a besmirch of — a black
eye and a besmirching of the Orthodox Jewish world,”
Weiss said. “But the truth is, is that it is a black
eye to everybody. This problem knows no borders and no
boundaries.”
“The community senses there is a crisis here and that
something very serious needs to be done,” Dratch said.
ABC News easily found Mondrowitz living in a quiet
Jerusalem neighborhood, his name prominently displayed
on a mailbox. He even lectures at the Jerusalem
College of Engineering.
He politely declined to be interviewed for the story,
and thanked us for the opportunity.
“Mondrowitz proved to be brilliant at working the
system,” Lesher said. “He understands this Orthodox
culture, if possible, better than we do. He
understands just what it will do and just what it
won’t do, what he can get away with and when he has to
run. He’s manipulated it masterfully and that is
really a shameful commentary on the community. That a
man like this understands it so well and has been able
to turn it so well to his advantage all these years.”
“And I was told when I embarked on this crusade to
examine, explore sex abuse in the Orthodox Jewish
community that Mondrowitz was the key, what he was
able to do and how he comported himself and how the
community so adroitly managed to cover up for what he
did and to keep things quiet as he was out of the
country. Just to keep the victims suppressed. To keep
their voices silenced,” Amy Neustein said.
Though some members of the Orthodox community told ABC
News this is a very old case and very old charges with
very deep wounds and that it would be better to just
let it go now, but Lesher told a different story.
“That’s not what my clients believe and they’re the
victims carrying the wounds,” he said. “That’s not
what I believe and I belong to the community they do.”
Lesher, who plans to push the Brooklyn district
attorney to try to extradite Mondrowitz.
“This man is not an ancient man. He’s only 58 years
old now. He was 37 when he fled the country. These
victims are not ancient people. These are people in
their late 30s and early 40s. They are seething, still
seething with what was done to them,” Lesher said.
“And as one of them put it to me, every day that
Mondrowitz can live openly in Israel knowing that he’s
safe from prosecution because nobody cares, is another
day that they are victimized all over again.”
The question of whether Mondrowitz could be extradited
to stand trial in the United States is unclear. When
Mondrowitz fled, then Brooklyn District Attorney
Elizabeth Holtzman made swift moves to have the
alleged pedophile extradited, but under Israeli law at
the time, sodomy against boys was not recognized as an
extraditable offense, so she was unsuccessful.
Israeli law has since been changed.
The current Brooklyn District Attorney, Charles Hynes,
is not trying to extradite at this time.
Weiss said he believes that speaking about the issue
of sex abuse is the only answer.
“Throwing it under the rug will do no good. You need
to just come out and say it and you know what, we are
better people for it,” he said. “Nobody’s going to
look down upon the Orthodox Jewish community
negatively because we’re talking about this. They are
going to come to admire us for being straight about it
and admitting we have a problem and we’re going to
solve it.
October 13th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
If it is true that Rabbi Tendler is the trustee of Lon’s (z”l) estate, then I think that Lon’s wife and ex-wife should speak with a lawyer about getting an independent accountant to monitor the trust assets for the sake of Lon’s children’s inheritances.
Rabbi Tendler openly admitted that Lon gave $80,000 to the Discretionary slush fund before he died. (I shutter to think what that money was used for.) As an unsupervised trustee, Rabbi Tendler could be borrowing or stealing money from the trust to cover his legal expenses. By the time anyone realizes that the money is gone, it will be much harder to recover it.
October 13th, 2006 at 3:44 pm
Jeff,
The article you quoted from medline, was Tendler’s article originally published in Pediatrics. Medline collects and indexes artlicles from all medicaljournals. I repeat, the article does not claim or demonstrate that any of the eight cases was caused by a mohel. It only claims there is a possiblility. If you would read some of the hundreds of pages of medical literature about neonatal herpes, as I did, you will find that all his cases fit the profile of maternally transmitted herpes.
Next, if you followed the story in the paper, which you obviously haven’t, you would know that Rabbi Fisher was under court order to be tested and has been tested at least six times and never produced a virus. This was long after Dr. Rabbiner Moshe Dovid Tendler slandered him and accused him of killing two children. (In fact only one died) The New york state and New york city Health Departments have dropped all proceedings against Rabbi Fisher, intitiated by by Dr Rabbinner MD Tendler. If Rabbi Fisher was not an orthodox Jew, he would go to civil court and sue Tendler for slander and win. But only shkotzim like Mordechai Tendler take Jews to civil court. If you’re interested in the facts there are 100 documents on neonatal herpes and once you know the facts you’ll see all of these case fall into the expected parameters of maternally transmitted herpes. If Foolish wistful blogger can get her friend Dratch to pull out his copy of Binyan Tzion again, maybe he would translate the two brilliant tshuvos on metzitzah b’peh. Or Is the Binyan Tzion only good for permitting a married woman where she would normally be prohibited and not for preserving a three thousand year old sufik Halacha l’Moshe m’Sinai?
Concerning the Rambam that I cited, it was only to reinforce the fact that Modern Orthodoxy is the problem and Mordechai Tendler is merely a symptom.
October 15th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
Dovid Shatz, there you go again, confusing our elite bloggers like JC with facts that are completely relevant and totally on point. Haven’t you realized yet that such pertinent and intelligent posts have no place on this blog?
October 16th, 2006 at 1:26 am
Is that true about Lon Bernell? Why on earth would he give Tendler SO much money?
October 16th, 2006 at 6:55 am
To Dovid Shotz: Since you know so much about all of this–then, please reveal where I can find out the particulars of the testing done on Rabbi Fisher, including the labs. Also, isn’t the potential for the transmission of HSV1 when the virus is being shed? Is your post stating that Fisher does not have the virus, or does not show the HSV antibody or that he was not shedding it? And are you disputing, irrespective of the Fisher episode, my latest post by physicians including Thomas R. Frieden, the NYC commissioner of health and mental hygiene disclosed. And are you saying that there is ABSOLUTELY NO RISK FROM THE PRACTICE.
Instead of pounding on the table with an alleged list of hundreds of articles and that your physicians are better than everyone else’s, I strongly suggest that you drop everything and find out the answers to the questions I have posed.
Let me say this. I personally do not believe that Fisher is sero negative for the virus. That is my opinion until the results of the tests are published and the labs attach their names to the testings. And if the haredi supervised the testing then I am much more confidant in my opinion. Further, there are medical opinions and articles albeit possibly of a limited basis, and probably because of the black hat wall of silence predominating in the ultra and not so ultra orthodox communities (witness the overwhelming silence on matters such as child abuse, sex abuse, spousal abuse, drug abuse, etc.), and probably because it is no where else conducted in the US, and other factors that do not draw it to attention because of its low incidence, that categorically state that metzitzah is RISKY.
I am not here to skewer anyone. But, I repeat it is IDIOCY to have this done to one’s son, especially if the mohel does not frequently test for being seropositive.
No matter what you write will convince me otherwise especially if you do not show definitive proof of the testing of Fisher and by which labs, and unless you show me recantings of the physicians and scientists opposed to your view. Also, please advise your background in organic chemistry, biology and medicine.
October 16th, 2006 at 8:08 am
Lon adored the Rabbi. When Lon was sick, no one had the heart to tell him the truth about the Rabbi.
The only good thing about the huge amount of money left to Tendler by Lon is that the woman who was paid off by Tendler was the woman Lon had been in love with for years. But she wouldn’t leave her husband for him.
We like to think Lon’s money went to her.
October 16th, 2006 at 8:32 am
why would a woman give Tendler a blow job?
October 16th, 2006 at 1:13 pm
lol
October 16th, 2006 at 6:26 pm
I received this on KNH’s email today. Seems like KNH is really moving ahead to rebuild. I was at KI when the 2 shuls met and it really was an amazing sight to see. The 2 Shuls deserve a lot of credit for what they did. Something like this would never have happened if the sleaze MT was around. He was the sole cause and was responsible for the 2 shuls from separating. Its amazing how isolated MT and his enablers are at this point. They are completely pathetic individuals for continuing any type of support. Simchas Torah proved that Tendler is history in New Hempstead.
“Dear Members & Friends:
I believe it very worthwhile to convey to you the overwhelmingly positive comments I received about how beautiful Simchas Torah was, and what a truly special day it turned out to be.
Besides the weather being one of the nicest we had all of Succos, it was also a very emotionally uplifting day and one filled with sincere Simcha and joy. The Shul was filled with ruach and it was lively and very leibidik.
Yasher Koach to the Sisterhood for making and providing the peckalach and flags to all the children, and to Shelley Karben and Co. with the preparation of all of the Kiddushim and food and drinks that were put out all of Yom Tov.
One of the biggest highlights of the day came when the entire Shul walked down Union Road , with the Sifre Torahs in hand, to join with Knesses Israel for a Hakafa in front of their Shul. The deep sense of Achdus that we all felt and the heartfelt Simcha of joining with our friends in New Hempstead was something that will long be remembered.
This Hakafa was a long time in coming, and especially meaningful to those that have been in the community the longest, and it was a clear display of the friendship and unity that we share with Knesses Israel .
Mazel Tov to Rabbi Kerner for his being honored as Chassan Torah and to Shlomo Pomeranz for his being chosen as Chassan Breshis. Both Rabbi Kerner and Shlomo have gone far beyond the call in their hard work, dedication and commitment to the Shul. It was an honor for the Shul to have chosen them for these great honors.
We also would like to thank Rabbi Glazer for all of his efforts on behalf of the Shul, and as a token of our appreciation, the Shul will be making a Kiddush in his Honor on the Shabbos of the Shul’s anniversary, Parshas Lech Lecha.
May we all be Zoche to share many more Simchas together as a united Community in the service of Hashem Yisborach.
Fred Brinn”
October 16th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
lol
October 17th, 2006 at 4:47 am
jeffrey f. cohen, esq. Says:
October 16th, 2006 at 6:55 am
To Dovid Shotz: Since you know so much about all of this–then, please reveal where I can find out the particulars of the testing done on Rabbi Fisher, including the labs.
A patient’s personal medical records are protected by privacy laws and doctors can be sued for violating a patient’s right to privacy by providing information without explicit consent of the patient. As a lawyer you should know that. Rabbi Fisher is listed in the phone book. You could pick up the phone and ask him. For the record, most mohelim that I know are constantly have thenselves retested at about three month intervals.
Also, isn’t the potential for the transmission of HSV1 when the virus is being shed? Is your post stating that Fisher does not have the virus, or does not show the HSV antibody or that he was not shedding it?
The potential for contagion is only while shedding. The problem Dr Frieden is concerned with is asymptomatic shedding, which means, even though there are no cold sores or other visible sign of shedding, the body is still producing viruses.
And are you disputing, irrespective of the Fisher episode, my latest post by physicians including Thomas R. Frieden, the NYC commissioner of health and mental hygiene disclosed. And are you saying that there is ABSOLUTELY NO RISK FROM THE PRACTICE.
Jeffrey here we have to address one of the major items lacking in Modern orthodoxy. Namely, G-d. I will digress from this point for a moment and go back to Judaism 101, for those who obviously need a refresher. The mishna is the oral law as delivered at Sinai, part and parcel with the written law. Some disagreement may ocurred in the 1500 years between being given orally and finally being written down. But all taken into account they are relatively minor. (See the hakdama of the sefer hakabalah L’ha’Ra’avad) Even in a case were the Rabbis might offer diametrically opposed views we say “they are both the word of the living G-d” (Eiruvin 13:); Concerning their predecessors, the Rabbis of the Talmud wrote “If the earlier [Rabbis] are like angels, we are like men. If they were like men, we are like donkeys, and not even like the donkeys of Chaninah ben Dosa or Pinchas ben Yair, but like regular donkeys.” (Shabbos 112:) We, how much moreso. Concerning chazal the gemara says “120 elders and amidst them 80+ prophets…..” (Yer. Brachos 2:4)
When asked about Metzitzah many Gedolim including R’ Moshe ZT”L answered “shluchei mitzva aino nizakim” (Pesachim 8:) Those that are involved in the performance of a mitzva are not injured. Concerning the rabbis of the talmud it said “The smallest amongst you could revive the dead” (Avodah Zorah 10:) In his tshuva on Metzitzah, the Binyam Tzion reminds us that doctors critical of metzitzah couldn’t heal the smallest pain, but in former generations we had to hide the sefer harefuos, because it was too effective. (Berachos 10:) And at the very least metzitzah is a sufik Halach L’Moshe mi’Sinai, as stated by R’ Yehuda Assad, Maharam Shick, Sdei Chemed, etc. and therefore it has the same stringency as a sufik d’oreisah. We can therefore follow three thousand years of G-d’s dictated version of Judaism, which he assured us is safe. or we can follow Tendler’s version and cancel a 3000 year hold part of bris milah for “Esthetic” reasons as Rabbi Tendler puts it.
and probably because it is no where else conducted in the US, and other factors that do not draw it to attention because of its low incidence, that categorically state that metzitzah is RISKY.
Where are all the cases in Williamsburg where STD reporting is mandatory and Metziztah is universal? Where are all the cases in New Square where Metziztah is universal? Where are all the cases in Kiryas Yoel where Metziztah is universal? Where is the risk if there are no CONFIRMED CASES CAUSED BY THE MOHEL? Talk to Dr. Frieden and he will tell you. If the baby has herpes, and the mother and mohel test seropositive, we will bar the mohel from doing metzitah, because we can’t bar the mother from being a mother irrespective of who might have infected the child . Pick up the phone and call him instead of making me do your homework because you don’t want too.
I am not here to skewer anyone. But, I repeat it is IDIOCY to have this done to one’s son, especially if the mohel does not frequently test for being seropositive.
These are not the words of an orthodox Jew as outlined above. Are there any other statements in the mishna that you don’t particularly care for in this modern day and age? Should women really be required to cover their hair when most of the world doesn’t? When you start cutting things out of the mishna, where do you stop? In Tendler’s follow up article in February 2005 Harefuah, cited previously, Dr tendler makes his agenda clear when he writes that “Or should the recognition of such risks along with esthetic considerations lead to changes in halakhic thinking…..”
Esthetic considerations? The way the mishna commanded us was not proper enough for Dr. Tendler? He want’s to revamp G-d’s version of Judaism into something more palatable to the ignorant masses?
This is from one of Jeff’s previous posts
Lastly, this is not a slippery slope, unless one makes it one. No one is seeking to eliminate bris milah or shechita, although one of my orthodox friends has become a veggie because in his opinion, the slaughtering of cattle, as currently practiced, is inhumane. In the end, science is compatible with religion and Judaism, and we shouldn’t be at odds with it because under current conditions, one of Judaism’s minhags may now be dangerous. After all, didn’t the children of Israel refrain from circumcision because of an ill wind in the midbar? Different times may warrant different behaviour. It is that simple.
So G-d made a mistake? and he made a mistake with shechita too because it’s commercialized? Here’s a lesson in shechitah. When an animals windpipe and jugular are cut two things happen.
1) Blood stops flowing to the brain of the animal and the animal thinking starts slowing as it would from carbon monoxide poisoning or alcohol. Indeed the animals in the PETA video are stumbling exactly like you would expect them to if they were severely inebriated. The PETA idiots tell you that the animal “IS FULLY CONSCIOUS and suffering terribley, when that is not the case.
2)When an animal’s throat is cut, it cannot make noise, it cannot bellow. You will here a whooshing sound but no more. The PETA expert idiots, including Temple Grandin write that the bellowing is one of the signs that the animal is fully conscious and suffering. The film is either doctored like a previous incident involving Orangatangs or the noise is coming from animals in the background. You can’t argue that it is a sign of a faulty shechitah because the jugular is behind the throat. If the animal bleeds from the jugular, the windpipe has been cut. Your friend who became a veggie because he believes PETA has more credibility than chazal is a fool.
No matter what you write will convince me otherwise especially if you do not show definitive proof of the testing of Fisher and by which labs, and unless you show me recantings of the physicians and scientists opposed to your view. Also, please advise your background in organic chemistry, biology and medicine.
I defer to the opinions of Dr.s Whitley, Kimberlin, Nahmias, Arvin, Yeager, et al, who have been at the forefront of neonatal herpes for the last 25 years. If you review the three articles from 2000, 2003, and 2004 linking metzitzah to herpes you will find that;
1) none of the authors have previously written about neonatal herpes. including Dr.s Rubin LG, Lanzkowsky P.;Distel R, Hofer V, Bogger-Goren S, Shalit I, Garty BZ.
2) None of the authors quote Drs Whitley, Kimberlin, Nahmias, Arvin, Yeager, etc.
3) None of the articles quote recent studies on neonatal herpes. The 2000 article quotes 2 citations on neonata herpes from 1983 & 1984. Most other citation (8 of 10) date back to 1946 -1984.
The 2003 article cites a 1970 paper on herpes. The three factors listed to blame the mohel are in fact risk factors for maternally transmitted herpes. Seronegativity of the mother, HSV-1, and 18 day presentation. We now know these are all typical of maternally transmitted herpes.
4) The three factors listed to blame the mohel are in fact risk factors for maternally transmitted herpes. Seronegativity of the mother, HSV-1, and 18 day presentation. We now know these are all typical of maternally transmitted herpes.
According to the latest information, the factors that are quoted for blaming the mohel are indeed risk factors for maternally transmitted herpes. As demonstrated in a June 2006 article in Pediatrics as stated before, showing 62.5% of maternally contracted neonatal herpes in Canada was HSV-1.
I will not copy reams of articles for you, I will give you but one example.
I googled “Neonatal herpes”. The first article returned was ht tp://neonatal.peds.washington.edu/NICU-WEB/HSV/hsv.stm
The article was last updated 9-18-01
1)50% risk: Infants born to women with primary (defined by no detectable antibody to both type 1 or 2 HSV) infection near the time of delivery.
[My Note: Just like 7 out of 8 cases in Tendler’s article. The eighth had a titer of 1:16, same as the infant, clearly a recent primary infection and responsible for transmission to the baby]
2) Infection at the time of labor and delivery is the situation for the overwhelming majority of cases.
3)Mucocutaneous and Ocular Herpes
….Natural History
Usually presents at 15-17 days of age (as late as 4 weeks).
4) Nine out of the thirteen papers cited in this article were done by the doctors I named above, dated between 1980 and 2001.
October 17th, 2006 at 5:28 am
Yes, the days of Tendler controlling a block of New Hempstead Jews, teaching them to hate and shun other Jews, has come to an end. Let us pray for and work towards continued achdus here in New Hempstead.
October 17th, 2006 at 6:19 am
Beautiful!
October 17th, 2006 at 6:20 am
Rabbi Tendler and his minyan minions davened at the Hempstead Elementary School again this yuntiff. ERCSD is in violation of NY State Education law Section 414 for allowing rental of public school facilities for the purposes of religious worship. I am sure that the Tendlerites lied on their application for rental of that space and claimed some other purpose for their use.
Any taxpayers who live in ERCSD (which includes all of New Hempstead and most of Monsey) can send complaints to:
East Ramapo Central School District
105 S. Madison Ave
Spring Valley, New York 10977
Dr. Mitchell J. Schwartz, Superintendent
Board of Education:
Nathan Rothschild, President
Stephen Price
Richard Stone
Dr. Gabriel Tenembaum
Mimi Calhoun
Dr. David Resnick (a KNH board member)
Steven Rosenstock
Solomon Akerman
Akiva Feinsod
email address: boardofed @ ercsd.k12.ny.us
Anyone with contacts at the Journal News should forward to them copies of their letters or emails.
October 17th, 2006 at 7:22 am
The same way that MT remains a Board member of YSV, (Yes, he is still a BOARD MEMBER AT YSV) no one will complain to the school district, or make it an issue.
Although you bring up a good point as to what they could have possibly written on the application when reserving the space. Just shows how MT and his enablers will lie, since there is no way they applied for the purposes of religious services. So what did you write a morning Poker Game on R”H and Y’K. Lieing on the holiest days of the year. Not surprising since MT is involved.
Yudi T, can you explain this one, or maybe you Harry G, Perry D, Shari S, Ralph L, Ralph H, or even you Shlomie R who davened for them on the Yom Tovim.
By the way it is Shlomie R, who is currently in control of the Mikvah in New Hempstead) maybe the heiliger Rabbonim who are overssing the Mikvah should think twicw, in the same way they stayed away from participating in the project when MT controlled it. Rabbi Schabbes are you aware of this.
WAKE UP, people. The show is not over yet. MT is still around New Hempstead. Beware of what may lie ahead.
October 17th, 2006 at 11:55 am
I totally agree with Fred’s post, it was an amazing yom tov. I don’t know about anyone else, but something has to be done with certain people who looked like absolute bullies when they stood on the corner and waited as Michelle and her daughters walked by on yom tov, just to stare them down. Absolute bullies, board members or not. Michelle is certainly an innocent victim and KNH doesn’t need more bullies.
October 17th, 2006 at 12:19 pm
You have to feel real sorry for what the Tendlers are going through, inflicted by Mordecai or not.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
I still want to know why our village board didn’t do anything for this whole time that this was a crisis. They could of done something. They got all the power but they don’t use it.
October 17th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
The same way that MT remains a Board member of YSV, (Yes, he is still a BOARD MEMBER AT YSV) no one will complain to the school district, or make it an issue.
Although you bring up a good point as to what they could have possibly written on the application when reserving the space. Just shows how MT and his enablers will lie, since there is no way they applied for the purposes of religious services. So what did you write a morning Poker Game on R?H and Y’K. Lieing on the holiest days of the year. Not surprising since MT is involved.
Yudi T, can you explain this one, or maybe you Harry G, Perry D, Shari S, Ralph L, Ralph H, or even you Shlomie R who davened for them on the Yom Tovim.
By the way it is Shlomie R, who is currently in control of the Mikvah in New Hempstead) maybe the heiliger Rabbonim who are overssing the Mikvah should think twicw, in the same way they stayed away from participating in the project when MT controlled it. Rabbi Schabbes are you aware of this.
WAKE UP, people. The show is not over yet. MT is still around New Hempstead. Beware of what may lie ahead.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:06 pm
The village board has no power at all in this situation. What exactly do you think that they could have done?
October 17th, 2006 at 9:44 pm
No one will complain to the school board, in the same way that no one protests or objects to YSV for allowing Tendler to remain on the Board of the school.
Can anyone please let me know how Tendler is still a Board member of that school. Where are all the Rabbis protesting over that.
October 17th, 2006 at 9:52 pm
Someone should check the application made to the school board for the permission to use the school. What lie did they put down. Just imagine Tendler and his enablers lying purposely on the Holiest days of the year, R’H and Y’k.
Harry G, Perry D, Yudi T, Ralph H, Ralph L, Shari S, what could your Rabbi have told you was permissible to write on the application to get a permit to use it. Have you no morals, oops I forgot, you still follow the chilul hashem.
And you Shlomie R, who davend for Tendlers minyon, you who the local Rabbis have allowed to run the mikvah being built in New Hempstead. How did you reason to yourself this Holy YOm TOv. Can you actually look yourself in the mirror after that or do you puke at the thought of what you did.
Can the Holy Rabbis who helped topple Tendler, please let us know how you allow Shlomie R, one of Tendlers close followers, to remain and control your mikvah while he still supports and follows in Tendlers Camp ?
If you wake up one morning and find out the Tendler is back in control of that mikvah, you will have no one to blame but yourselves. You better keep an eye on Shlomie R.
October 18th, 2006 at 4:58 am
For Anon 11:55, it is particularly sad this far along in matters that someone could actually refer to Michelle Tendler as an innocent in these matters. It would have been scary, not sad, had not the entire community’s credibility been long ago shot to shithereens. Michelle is by no means an innocent in these matters, simply because she was not there while her husband was being Hoovered by half of New Hempstead. MT can only continue along due to Michelle’s decision to look the other way and vote for a continuation of wealth and influence over true innocents rather than do the proper thing. That is called an enabler, and at this point without question a co-conspirator.
That does not excuse others making her daughters walk a kine of shame on yuntiff, but that is simply symptomatic of how diseased our community really is, and how “fundametally we need rethink our religious fundamentalism”. While MT was around, all ill in the community could be ascribed to him. Now that he is a walking dead man, the bitter reality of our own condition is more apparent without the scapegoat to blame.
October 18th, 2006 at 6:31 am
If you have complaints, anonymous 9:52, about who is helping build the mikvah, role up your sleeves and do some work! Us women are really angry that there is no mikvah for us to go to on friday night and yom tovim. A few of us are thinking of going on strike (no sex until the mikvah is up). It is disgusting that there has been no mikveh in this community for so many years, women have to endanger themselves to go to the mikveh or push it off, or even worse get lost in the dark walking home (it has happened to some of my friends). A little dog once jumped out of nowhere barking his head off, believe me it was really scary. Let this shloimie fellow build the mikvah, as long as it is up I don’t give a hoot where he davens. As long as his rov is not the mikvah lady…..
October 18th, 2006 at 7:14 am
Mrs. J a/k/a Resident of NH, What work have you done or what monies have you pledged to the mikvah my dear.
Who is the “us” you refer to ? I doubt highly that you represent any women whatsoever, in fact I’ll bet as much money you like that the women at OS where you daven you be shocked at some of the outrageous and ridiculous things you have posted in the past.
October 18th, 2006 at 9:18 am
Resident of NH is right. The anti-Tendlerites are so blind with rage they are making fools of themselves. It wasn’t long ago when the likes of Pollack, Brinn, JC (not the guy who hung on the cross) would have given their left nut for Tendler. Say what you want about the kool aid drinkers, but at least you know if YOU get in trouble and any of the above are your friend they’ll roll on you faster than you can say boo.
October 18th, 2006 at 9:53 am
I didn’t realize that MT is still on the YSV Board.
Is that really true can anyone confirm this ?? because I cannot believe that he’s been thrown out of every other organization, etc. and they are still allowing him to be on the Board there.
October 18th, 2006 at 11:55 am
Board of YSV. That’s a joke. They hardly ever meet, they have no power. They can’t even see the books. Who cares if he on the board.
October 18th, 2006 at 12:40 pm
I, for one, have contributed money to both the viola mikvah and the mikvah by KNH. It is brought down that one of the first things you do when you make a community is to make a mikvah, it should get first priority. I am frustrated what us women have to go through to be able to go on a friday night or on a three day yom tov. There are women that are physically unable to walk, not to mention trying to sneak out of the house in front of your kids and company for that length of time. It will only be a zechus for the neighborhood if we have a mikvah here. If there is anything I can do to help this project be completed, can someone post it here? Thanks. By the way, just for your information, Resident of NH has plenty of friends and is an asset to our community.
October 18th, 2006 at 2:56 pm
Anonymous 7:14, meet me in front of OS after davening so I can show you my check book and my fist, I need to “shock” my friends a little more. What is so shocking to you, that a woman would like to go to the mikvah bizman? Since when is that a crime? If you don’t like what I post, go read the shul newsletter or something. I think it is shocking that New Hempstead is always busy fighting and argueing about their Rabbi’s, and the mikvah is taking a very long time to be built. Oh, they put the door on, how nice. Let me know what I can do and I will be the first on line to help. But no, everyone is to busy writing letters to East Ramapo Central School District because Rabbi Tendler had a minyan over there at the Hempstead School. I can’t believe this.
October 18th, 2006 at 2:59 pm
I want to show you my checkbook so you can check out what I gave towards the mikvah. Or you can ask shloimi r. and the others involved. Okay, see ya later.
October 18th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
Lon was in love with Goldie?
October 18th, 2006 at 3:46 pm
Resident of NH has made anonymous 952 her bitch. She rocks!
October 18th, 2006 at 6:06 pm
I know what you look like and rushing to the mikvah won’t help you baby
October 18th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
Resident od NH is an “asset”. Yes I agree, an asset is a little donkey - haha.
October 18th, 2006 at 6:48 pm
Takes one to know one, anonymous, I think the little donkey kicked you too hard in the head! Uch, I am not going to waste my time with these creeps, RC was right in telling us to stay off this blog. Okay, gotta run to OS to meet anonymous, anybody got brass knuckles?
October 19th, 2006 at 6:16 am
I have a serious question. Is it muttar for a woman to give her husband a bj? My wife says it is muttar, but I have heard it is ossur. Does anyone know of an authoriatiative halacha on this?
October 19th, 2006 at 6:33 am
Hotzaas zerah livatalah is ossur.
October 19th, 2006 at 8:40 am
does that mean that a man can only do it when he wants his wife to get pregnant?
October 19th, 2006 at 9:25 am
Pregnant, shmegnant! Oral sex is important for the relationship,everything is muttar as long as each partner is enjoying it. Hey, don’t you guys have a good store on 59 across from Planet Wings, I can recommend some good products over there. they will give you a discount and a free peep show if you mention my name.
October 19th, 2006 at 11:19 am
>does that mean that a man can only do it when he wants his wife to get pregnant?
Obviously NOT, just for those who don’t see the obvious: What about a pregnant women, or post menopausal? “Doing it” is still mutar — more than that, its still required!
For MR: A @ 6:16 — if you’re wife is offering, take it. Most don’t offer, good for you
October 19th, 2006 at 11:33 am
I would call the above posters retarded but it would be an insult to all the retarded people out there. The thought that any of you can actually procreate is mind boggling. And I thought I’d never miss JWB.
October 19th, 2006 at 11:35 am
All right, I guess I will just come out ask my question. Is a man allowed to ejaculate into a woman;s mouth? Because not only does my wife offer, she insists and wants it. But I am concerned this is not proper.
October 19th, 2006 at 12:27 pm
MT told me and my husband that it was ok “once in a while”. (that was before he split up our marriage.)
October 19th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
well, what is once in a while?
October 19th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
That’s funny, cause when I’m with your wife she insists only on anal. Go figure.
October 19th, 2006 at 1:33 pm
well, when I am with YOUR wife, she insists on getting it from a dog.
October 19th, 2006 at 2:42 pm
I just wanted to be the 1000 post here.
But I also agree with Kish mine Tuchas about how retarded the last posts have been. Boy, with MT being so quiet (maybe we should be worrying about this) its gotten so boring on this blog. Jeff, JWB, David P, where are you. Help us out.
October 19th, 2006 at 2:56 pm
It appears that rasha Tendler I now officially has a fool for a client.
Yesterday in California, [in the absurd lawsuit that Mordechai Tendler dropped against us bloggers just days after we bloggers filed our Motions, and in which Mordechai Tendler lost against our SLAPP Motion and is as a result now responsible for our court costs] Mordecai Tendler filed a Substitution Of Attorney form with the court substituting himself for his former California counsel.
I guess no more high priced lawyers for this Rabbi and his ridiculous lawsuits.
Perhaps in order to save money for paying all the future court judgments against him, Tendler should drop all his current lawyers and represent himself personally in each of his current absurd court claims and counterclaims.
October 19th, 2006 at 2:57 pm
The people you mentioned are smart enough to know not to respond to anon. 6:16, I am ignoring that post and you can do the same.
October 19th, 2006 at 3:48 pm
Resident of Ms. J - you done with carpool already ? And right back to the blogs WOW you do lead an interesting life. Then again so do I. I missed you in front of OS. I was looking forward to seeing you all decked out in your finest brass knuckles outfit.
October 19th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
Oh, was that you? I thought it was a stray deranged dog. Come on over, I know how to take care of bitches like you.
October 19th, 2006 at 4:21 pm
You need to stop with these non sense and Nibuley-Peh. This blog is going down to the Tendler’s level. I am not a prude. This is just inappropriate.
October 19th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Then again, please don’t, I wouldn’t touch your flea bitten carcass. I don’t know who you are, but you have big problems my dear, and I hope you are not a member at OS. Did I do something to you, what is your problem? Then again, I really don’t care to know who sits behind her computer and post things anonymously and thinks she can get away with it. You, my dear, are a big vicious, nasy, coward.
October 19th, 2006 at 5:41 pm
Cat fight!
October 19th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
I am sorry, but I am still waiting for an answer to my question which is posed in all seriousness. I have heard that there is a halachic issue with bj’s. Then others say there is not. My wife is eager and anxious, but I would like to proceed correctly. Any actual real insight would be appreciated and would help us achieve our real purpose in this world.
October 19th, 2006 at 5:44 pm
I’m waiting for David Shotz to quote chapter and verse on why fellatio is okay as long as the act is not “completed” there as that would cause the seed to be wasted.
October 19th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
Your wife left her shoes under my bed, please remind her to come get them tomorrow.
October 19th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
And I am waiting for someone to explain what a BJ is, any relation to the BG’s? Can anyone explain how to do a BJ, I am very interested in learning this new skill. Maybe New Hempstead News will make her next post all about it.
October 19th, 2006 at 6:52 pm
You people seem incapable of discussing a serious halachic issue with any seriousness. Is there anyone here who even knows the answer to this?
October 19th, 2006 at 9:22 pm
I have done some research for you and got some answers. The eye glass store says you can do it as long as your vision has been corrected to see the action. The italian restaurant says you can’t, you should go out to eat pizza instead. The book store says you should come in, he will pasken all shailos, and will give you a heter if you buy some jewish music to make love by. Bagel place said he doesn’t know, but he gave me some hot buns. Meal mart says absolutely not, assur, the only hot dog in your mouth should be his hot dog, no other! The wine store wasn’t sure, he suggested you get drunk and then do it and you’ll have done the avairah beshogaig. The chinese laundramat says she doesn’t know, but you jewish people have strange customs. But you make lots of dirty clothes with your filthy minds, so is good for business. The manicurist says it’s fine as long as she does the BJ first, then it will be okay, as long as she does a pedicure while she’s doing it for you and you give a nice “tip”. The grocery store told me to go to isle seven for the BJ, the ben and jerry icecream is in the freezer. Anyway, I hope I have helped you in your sincere search for answers to your serious halachic issue.
October 20th, 2006 at 7:54 am
OK, I see you are a am haaretz. Go study the aleph bais. When you get to gimmel, if it starts seeming too difficult, go ask your momma.
October 20th, 2006 at 8:57 am
This blog should be renamed the kindergarten club. I think it is time to shut it down, don’t you think?
October 20th, 2006 at 9:35 am
The halacha is clear that a woman may perform oral sex on her husband and he may even complete the act. The question is whether a man can do the same to a woman. My rav says no.
October 20th, 2006 at 10:28 am
Tuvya Rokach a Canadian citizen living in Monsey, NY and with ties to the communities of Ramapo, Brooklyn and Toronto, Canada was charged Wednesday with having oral sex with two 14-year-old boys inside a car.
A Ramapo police officer apparently observed the assaults in a car parked at the closed-down Rockland Drive-In on Route 59 in Monsey.
see: ...
October 20th, 2006 at 10:29 am
Anyone with information on Tuvya Rokach is encouraged to contact the police and the Awareness Center
1) The Awareness Center: ...
2) Ramapo Police Department Contact Numbers
see: ...
Police Services non-emergency - 1-845-357-2400
Police Services non-emergency TDD - 1-845-357-1001
Crime Tips Line (anonymous) - 1-888-998-TIPS
3) Toronto Police Department Contact Numbers
...
Police Services non-emergency - 1-416 808-2222
Police Services non-emergency TDD - 1-416-467-0493
Crime Tips Line (anonymous) - at 1-416-222-TIPS (8477), toll-free 1-800-222-TIPS, or visit their website: ...
October 20th, 2006 at 1:01 pm
This is so disgusting, warn your sons that their are some really sick people around!
October 20th, 2006 at 1:03 pm
How Freudian that JWB lists the Awareness Center number first. Believe me, call the police FIRST. The hacks at the AC can wait. All they are going to do is ride the coat tails of law enforcement on this one, the jackass is in jail already.
And whether this perp is Orthodox or not, there is no issur mesirah or any of that bull crap. I HOPE THEY GIVE HIM LIFE IN PRISON. Let us all pray for the hopefully soon departed soul of Tuvya ben whogivesacrapabouthismother - may he rot in hell.
October 20th, 2006 at 1:10 pm
On second thought maybe Tuvya is that anonymous posters wife?
October 20th, 2006 at 2:08 pm
Don’t worry JWB, the Satmars and Gerrers will soon send their kids knocking on our doors for “tsduka far a zaier chushiva inyan” and then pay the bail for him and ship him to Israel, Belgium or Switzerland where he can further train young kids how to be expert mohalim. For Hassidim it is OK to rape kids as long as nobody gets to know about it, but messirah is ossur (unless of course it is for acquiring someone else’s mony - especially if he’s a goy or litvish).
October 20th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
You can’t be angry at this sick individual, or start ranting about the chassidim. What I am wondering about is what are these two fourteen year olds doing with this man? Where are the parents? I have been noticing a magaifah everywhere of kids at risk, kids that are angry at the “system” and no longer frum. More needs to help our kids stay frum and out of trouble.
As for paying his bail so he can be set loose in another country, I don’t think that the DA is going to let this ass hole get off so easy. He has been convicted on numerous accounts and will most certainly face jail time and probation. I don’t think the chassidim will help him so he can carry on with other young boys.
October 20th, 2006 at 3:38 pm
Looking for Survivors of Rabbi Tovia Singer
October 20th, 2006 at 3:39 pm
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October 22nd, 2006 at 1:07 pm
UPDATE
At last week’s East Ramapo school district Board of Education meeting, a complaint was presented to the board regarding Tendler’s rental of Hempstead Elementary. The complaint was raised based on the law that prohibits public schools from renting their space for religious use.
The district’s lawyer defended the rental, stating that several courts have ruled that public schools cannot deny rental to community groups for religious use unless there is a direct impact on the school or the students. Tendler’s rental was on days that school was not in session.
A Rockland Journal News reporter was present covering the Tendler rental story.
October 22nd, 2006 at 2:54 pm
I seem to remember that KY used a public school on grandview for megillah reading on purim evening, correct me if I am mistaken. Noone complained about that, did they? Sooo…. Who is going to be next to rent the school, the Ku Klux Clan, Jew for Jesus? Stay tuned!
October 23rd, 2006 at 3:08 pm
This Blog is Dead.
Long Live the Blog.
October 23rd, 2006 at 5:00 pm
Who cares? Move on.
October 23rd, 2006 at 8:34 pm
Dear Sir or Madame,
Thank you for getting in touch with us about your concerns regarding
the use of Hempstead Elementary School for holiday prayers. We contacted the
state education department about the legality of using school facilities for
prayers but state officials declined to weigh in, noting that that state
education commissioner rules on such issues only when brought before
him through a formal appeal. In other words, right now we can’t write a
story saying the district did anything wrong.
Again, we appreciate your interest.
Best,
Alice Gomstyn
The Journal News
October 23rd, 2006 at 9:26 pm
Rest assured the district’s attorney knows more about the law and what the school can be used for than any two-bit blog poster quoting chapter and verse from Ed Law. Once again the morons in NH are running around like a bunch of sprayed cockroaches and making themselves look like the east end of a horse headed west.
October 25th, 2006 at 3:53 pm
If a woman is permitted to perform oral sex on a man, may the man simultaneously perform oral sex on a woman, or should they take turns?
October 25th, 2006 at 4:44 pm
The woman may fellate the man simultaneously during the act of cunnilingus. We call it fellingus. Just use 70 afterward, more commonly known as “Scope.”
October 25th, 2006 at 5:31 pm
Is this all you have on your mind, anon.3:53? You are a disgusting, sick creature. Please go to a doctor and get some help for yourself! Is there no other site you can visit to ask your sick questions?
October 25th, 2006 at 6:53 pm
Anon 3:53 is really Yaakov Tendler trying to take the “heat” off his sick brother. By asking these crazy questions he hopes to bring down this blogg!
October 25th, 2006 at 7:10 pm
These are legitimate questions and they deserve an answer. WE are not babies and these subjects are valid.
October 25th, 2006 at 7:53 pm
To paraphrase Kish my Tish:
Rest assured the US District Court knows more about the law and what the school can be used for than Kish Mich.
Link:
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Page 4 Paragraph 2 is clear on this issue - and many other places in this US Court legal opinion.
October 25th, 2006 at 8:07 pm
Well, then, if this is permissible, let me ask this: what is the best position, should a woman “sit” on the man’s face, or should he kneel down between her legs and lap at her in this manner?
October 25th, 2006 at 9:18 pm
Didn’t KY rent out the grandview school one year to lain megillah?
October 25th, 2006 at 10:16 pm
renting to religious orgs is fine.
anon 7:53 - the court ruled against the district and in favor of the religious organization. did you read the conclusion on page 40? the plaintiffs WON the case and the school district lost.
see ...
and
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October 25th, 2006 at 11:30 pm
Boy it’s getting hard to recognize the moronically stupid anonymous posters from the certifiably insane anonymous posters here.
To the anonymous moron obseesed with all things oral and asking about positions: Those that get it, don’t need to talk about it, and those that get none can’t stop talking about it. We can all tell which category you fall into. Tough luck, we can’t all be me. But look on the bright side, at least your forearms are overdeveloped.
To the anonymous lawyer wannabee who fills bags for a living in shop rite during the day - I can guarantee you, regardless of what you think you know or wish you know, that the law was applied to the minion minyan of Tendler as it was to anyone else. The school district, unlike the mass of goofballs posting here, (excluding myself, the Shatzmeister, and Resident of NH) knows the law and applied it correctly, unlike jagoffs like you who think they know something by reading half a torn page out of a porn mag they found on the floor of the gay bar they visited while telling their wife they were just going out to daven maariv. You make JC look like F. Lee Baily. As the shvartza in yeshiva used to say, gey kockin oifen yam.
To the poster obsessed with KY - see above. A jelly can’t rent anything. Its an inanimate object.
October 25th, 2006 at 11:51 pm
I just took a few minutes to read the case cited by anonymous and brainless. What idiot would claim to know something and then try to prove his point by citing case law that proves him totally wrong? This is what happens when you let children run with scissors. Someone gets hurt. I guess I underestimated how hard it is to bag up groceries for a living. The pressure of making sure the eggs don’t break and the canned goods don’t crush the bread must have overwhelmed our anonymous town fool. Maybe he can take a vacation or start pumping gas for a living.
October 26th, 2006 at 9:22 pm
Sorry to break up the “oral” party folks, but NHN is reporting that MT’s daughter is engaged. Which AH is going to marry into this awful sick family? Anybody know?
October 27th, 2006 at 5:17 am
What, the girl shouldn’t get married because of her father? They are wonderful, wonderful girls, and deserve a good boy who doesn’t care about her father. Even NHN wished them a mazal tov.
October 27th, 2006 at 7:42 am
Another wedding !!!! Mazel Tov !!! Which girl got engaged.
Anyone betting the FB will NOT be the MC at this wedding.
Who will they find to say:
The Chassan Kallah and Machatunim are honored to call upon HaRav HaGaon Rav Dr. PHD Rebbe Ibit Yapeckeroff, Rosh Yeshiva, Yeshivas Fullabulla of Krypton
October 27th, 2006 at 8:06 am
i think her name is sorah tendler.
October 27th, 2006 at 8:20 am
I forgot - SHLITA
October 27th, 2006 at 10:59 am
His name is menachum s. from California, supposed to be a very nice boy.
October 27th, 2006 at 3:47 pm
To the retard who is obsessing over oral sex and
bombard us with his stupid, immature Sh’ailas,
You are in the wrong blog. Why don’t you make an appointment with Rabbi Tendler (anyone of them will do…) and have yourself a wonderful session
“Hineh ma tov u-ma nayim -
shevet CHOLIM gam yachad”
Kindly get off this blog. I had enough of your
Nibbul=Peh,
S I C K O !!!
October 27th, 2006 at 4:18 pm
Better then that:
Did you consider posting your picture and history on THE AWARENESS CENTER blog?
You will be welcomed with open arms by all the other G’doley HaDor: Gafni, Kolko…
October 28th, 2006 at 6:22 pm
just ignore the pig and maybe he will go away, he wants attention and your post (moti gold) is exactly what he wants.
October 29th, 2006 at 1:57 am
What percentage of Orthodox couples engage in oral sex? Which is permissible, man doing it to a woman, or woman doing it to a man? Can they be done separately, or must they be done at the same time? Any insights would be appreciated.
October 29th, 2006 at 6:57 am
To the blog moderator
Why are you allowing this(these) insividual(s) to post this filthy dialogue here? It has no relevance to the original objective of this blog. Please bring the level of the blog back to its original objective.
BTW
It is my opinion that it is probably some immature teenager who is posting on that topic
October 29th, 2006 at 7:31 am
drop dead prick!
October 29th, 2006 at 5:18 pm
I think this person deserves an answer to this question which is on many people’s minds but they are too nervous to ask a rav. So if anyone actually knows the answer they should share it with the oilam.
October 29th, 2006 at 7:04 pm
So go do some research if you care so much about what is on so many people’s minds, and please enlighten the fruma oilam about proper oral sex. Yuck, how disgusting!!! and everyone says how MT is such a menuval and pervert, but some of you guys who are posting make him look like a saint.
October 29th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
Nobody is a “menuval” like MT. He fornicated with his tefillin on ….
October 29th, 2006 at 10:05 pm
Well, actually, I would also like to know the halachos of it. Maybe there are no guidelines, or it is up to the individual person or couple what they want.
October 30th, 2006 at 10:50 am
It was a beautiful vort last night at CSM. Mazel Tov too all
October 30th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
Generally, I think you’re right, that we should ignore the pig. But Moti Gold is right - this guy shouldn’t be on this blog. Can’t help wondering if he is a plant trying to sabotage this blog in order to prevent people from reading it or posting on it, so as to protect Tendler.
October 30th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
I am still reading it, waiting the blog to return to normalcy. So his tactic will not work.
October 30th, 2006 at 6:58 pm
The moron posting about fellatio is not a Tendler plant. The profile on this guy is as follows:
Male with homosexual tendencies.
Rarely showers and smells like dead rat most of the time - shunned by most people.
Single, rarely if ever has had any woman, including his mother, acknowledge him in a positive manner.
Homelife was broken, father probably abandoned him and his mom alone and on welfare around the impressionable age of 7 after daddy realized his black secretary gave fellatio in return for periodic raises.
After daddy remarried, our poster’s half-brother, Duane Leroy, got “anonymous” hooked on a bevy of drugs including ex, special k, and his favorite, crack.
In prison for 3-5 year stint on felony possession charges, our poster was forced into jail life as a prag, fellating the genpop in return for permission to do things like eat and use the john.
Now on probation with limited access to anything resembling a normal human existence, and spending most of his days between rehab and his parole officer, our poster manages to use the computer in his court ordered psychiatrists office to make obnoxious posts about the very act which sent his life in a desperate tail spin.
Unfortunately, his obsession can’t be cured because the psychiatrist has now started making our poor loser fellate him as blackmail because he told the doc he violated his probation visiting kiddie porn sites.
So let’s cut the guy a little slack, huh?
October 31st, 2006 at 4:58 pm
Q. How do you know Halloween is coming?
A. Rab. Wolf Tendler dressed in sheep clothing keeps knocking on the blog
with his Kashes’… A real Head Case
All jokes aside, this might be a cleaver ploy to end the discussions in
Thread X by turnning people off. Not so outlandish, considering the
attempts to go after the blogger in court.
October 31st, 2006 at 10:31 pm
Child sex advocate, the worst convicted child predator in the world and former Monsey, NY resident, Rabbi Alan J. “Shneur” Horowitz, MD is now on the run in violation of his probation.
see: ...
Rabbi Horowitz is not only a card carrying member of NAMBLA but has also been protected by the the Baltimore Rabbinical Protection Squad. In fact after his first convictions for child sex offences in Maryland in 1986, the Baltimore Rabbinical Protection Squad ensured that child predator Horowitz, instead of spending time in jail, was put on probation by arranging for him to live at the Ohr Somayach campus in Monsey, NY.
So where is child predator Horowitz? Has he left the country? Or has he returned to a community he has been protected in before, perhaps Monsey?
Do not attempt to apprehend this subject. If you have information about the whereabouts of this fugitive, immediately contact New York’s 100 Most Wanted tips line: 1-800-262-4321
October 31st, 2006 at 10:35 pm
Should be:
Child sex advocate, the worst RABBINICAL convicted child predator in the world and former Monsey, NY resident, Rabbi Alan J. “Shneur? Horowitz, MD is now on the run in violation of his probation.
October 31st, 2006 at 10:37 pm
Original comment is in for moderation.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:37 am
The moron posting about fellatio is not a Tendler plant. The profile on this guy is as follows:
Male with homosexual tendencies.
Rarely showers and smells like dead rat most of the time - shunned by most people.
Single, rarely if ever has had any woman, including his mother, acknowledge him in a positive manner.
Homelife was broken, father probably abandoned him and his mom alone and on welfare around the impressionable age of 7 after daddy realized his black secretary gave fellatio in return for periodic raises.
After daddy remarried, our poster’s half-brother, Duane Leroy, got “anonymous? hooked on a bevy of drugs including ex, special k, and his favorite, crack.
In prison for 3-5 year stint on felony possession charges, our poster was forced into jail life as a prag, fellating the genpop in return for permission to do things like eat and use the john.
Now on probation with limited access to anything resembling a normal human existence, and spending most of his days between rehab and his parole officer, our poster manages to use the computer in his court ordered psychiatrists office to make obnoxious posts about the very act which sent his life in a desperate tail spin.
Unfortunately, his obsession can’t be cured because the psychiatrist has now started making our poor loser fellate him as blackmail because he told the doc he violated his probation visiting kiddie porn sites.
So let’s cut the guy a little slack, huh?
November 1st, 2006 at 7:57 pm
In the past two weeks, people were approached on a one to one basis in Communty Synogogue, to help Tendler with his “Legal Defense Fund” …
Alot of $$$ were in fact collected.
He will need alot more funds to defend himself with the Anti-Slapp motion of the Bloggers filed in CA.
Those who contributed to this fund, should know that this is not Tzedakkah but they will in fact have to give “Din V’cheshbon” after they drop dead!
To enable this sick pervert to go on, is crazy!
November 1st, 2006 at 9:15 pm
The fact remains that many people outside of New Hempstead do not believe the allegations against R. Tendler and are sympathetic towards his plight.
November 1st, 2006 at 9:31 pm
CSM has many supporters who are completed dedicated to MDT. Lets not forget that Mordy grew up in that Shul as well and all the old timers with cash still chose not to believe the facts. They only know what MDT and brother YT tell them. Lets also not forget that Jacobs who is a stauch MDT supporter, was the force behind all the lies porinted in the Jewish Mess articles over the past. There is still a lot of money in CSM, regardless of the fact that the shul is dying and will become extinct in the next 5 years. CSM and MDT will always be on a love affair.
Mordy is a pathetic nothing who has been reduced to begging for his defense costs. Daddy, as all Daddy’s would, is still coming to his rescue. But isn;t it funny that you hear nothing anymore from the craziest of them all YT. He seems to be quiet these days. Counting the patients he continues to lose over time. Maybe he realized he better shut up and start trying to save his ownb ass, or he’ll lose his entire practice.
Mordy is history in New Hempstead and thats all that counts now, nothing more. He is gone and forgotten in most peoples minds. History. Even his biggest “talmid” Yudi T. is selling and moving to Wesley Hills.
November 1st, 2006 at 11:06 pm
Everything being raised by rasha Tendler I at CSM will go to paying my legal team that beat him and got a judgment for our legal fees against him.
November 2nd, 2006 at 9:12 am
Why didn’t the CSM board contact the KNH members when people were getting together to speak to local rabbis and hear tapes? Did members of CSM talk to Rabbi Zimmerman or Rabbi Wosner during that time? Of course not. Why don’t we encourage them to call them now? Or do they want to stick their heads in the sand while their daughters and granddaughters are prey to MT or whichever of MDT’s sons?
And to the Anonymous who states that outside of NH people don’t believe the allegations. No way. Every other community that we go to people ask about MT, the perverted rabbi of NH, and believe him to be the predator that he is. Only CSM people and those still connected with the family are delusional.
November 2nd, 2006 at 2:52 pm
The fact that:
1. MT can rent a school and use it for prayers.
2. People like R’ Rudunsky and Chill and others have the audacity to hug the Chilul Hashem in public and give the impression of support for him.
3. CSM members will collect large sums of money to aid in the Chilul Hashems legal defenses.
4. YSV continues to keep him as a Board member.
5. ASHAR will insert in their weekly newsletter - Mazel Tov to RABBI Mordecai Tendler on the engagement….
6. The Rabbonim of Monsey have not kicked his ass out of here as they did to the Treife Chicken man.
Means that the Chilul Hashem will continue his escapades in the Monsey community, is here for the foresseable future, and laughs at everyone along the way.
When will this mishugas end ? When those with the info decide the time has come to send nice neat packages of info in the mail. So what are you waiting for ?
November 2nd, 2006 at 11:52 pm
At this time I must commend KNH.
Today a Doctor died without any family. He was what the Torah calls a “Meis Mitzvah”. The Torah writes that even a Kohein Gadol who was never allowed to contaminate himself, was obligated to “metamei” himself in case of a “meis mitzvah.”
At any rate, Freddy Brinn, President of KNH, found out about this and in a matter of minutes managed to raise thousands of Dollars to make sure that this “niftar” had a proper place where to be buried, enough monies were collected to pay for a buriel plot in the Bais David Cemetery in Elmont and a Monument.
People from KNH are still calling trying to find out how they can help.
The Chesed from KNH members is unmatched!
May H help them with everything they need, they came through … to pay respects to a person they never saw, a person they never met … knowing full well that this person will never ever be able to recipricate!
“Me Keamcha Yisroel” How great is the Jewish people!
November 4th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
It is not that anyone at CSM is taken in by a false sense of whether Mordy is innocent. No one cares. None of the other rabbonim in Monsey care, and they could not make that point more clear with every additional public appearance with Mordy. An entire shul coming to the vort could not make that more clear to the rest of the community, and the tens of thousands of dollars raised over the past few weeks for Mordy’s legal team cannot make a more definitive statement –no one cares whether he is guilty or innocent, and no one is even taking that point into equation of their actions.
If this runs contrary to your rose-colored fantasy of Judaism and frumkeit as truly lived and practices in Monsey and the rest of the world, you are in for many nasty disappointments in life.
November 4th, 2006 at 10:39 pm
Tendler Legal Defeat Analysis see:
Electronic Frontier Foundation
1) ...
and also
2) ...
3) ...
November 5th, 2006 at 1:15 am
How come there have been several articles posted here (or linked here) stating that the court has ordered RMT to pay the defendant’s legal fees, but none of the articles mention how much those fees are? Isn’t that information newsworthy? I assume that the amount is part of the judgement against RMT and is therefore public information.
So, jewishwhistleblower, how much does Tendler have to cough up?
November 6th, 2006 at 7:06 pm
Awarding of fees, and the actual assessment of a dollar amount are almost always seperate processes
November 7th, 2006 at 3:40 pm
Adina Mermelstein’s case against Tendler was adjourned/postponed again. This time to January 8, 2006. Does anyone know what is going on ? I am an attorney and I have been in that Courtroom many time. Cases which are merely scheduled for a “preliminary conference” which is just an opportunity for all of the lawyers to meet and work out a schedule to conduct discovery where each party obtains documents from the other siede, depositions, etc., do not get adjourned for this much time.
Are they working out a settlement ? Are they just putting this over to wait to hear what the appeals court has to say ?
November 7th, 2006 at 8:43 pm
Beware alarunny -is a Tendlerite lawyer.
This was posted before about him.
November 8th, 2006 at 9:41 am
Beware “About Alarunny” he is a Marmelstein plant inserted by Kramer as a double agent posing as a Tendlerite hoping Levi drops out of the picture so he can be Adina’s next Moshiach. Clever but dangerous, he may also be the poster obsessed with fellatio - see my profile of that poster above.
November 8th, 2006 at 7:45 pm
Heard that Shari Sofer is now inviting people from the neighborhood to her (Whore) house, trying to convince them to start davening by Mordy the Pervert Tendler.
Get this? This woman who closeted herself on countless occassions with this pervert, and whose children drive around with motorcycles on Shabbos, and acts like some “tzadeikas” has the nerve to contaminate our souls with her “righteous” mussar.
Let’s kick her the hell out of New Hempstead. Let her marry “Moshiach” and make him “come”!
Shari ….. give it up already!
November 8th, 2006 at 8:08 pm
That is not true, that her sons drive motorcycles on shabbos. How disgusting to say we should kick her out of the community, why, what has she done to deserve that?? She is a fellow Jew, you have so much hatred it reeks. Can someone post the truth on this blog once and while, come on and surprize me.
November 9th, 2006 at 7:53 am
Let her stop recruiting innocent neshamos for that rasha Tendler and the hatred of her will stop.
November 9th, 2006 at 12:16 pm
Hatred is a very stong word, reserved for Amalaik. You can recruit these same innocent people for your shul. You may disagree with her, but I am sure you don’t hate her.
November 9th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
What is the status of Tendler’s Bais Din with the RCA?
November 9th, 2006 at 1:35 pm
Is there a time limit to Tendler’s Bais Din proceeding? Is there a way to jump start it? What are the ramifications of this proceeding hanging out there, including the purported injunction against interfering with Tendler’s parnosseh? Is there such a thing in halacha where the party initiating the suit is deemed to have abandoned it by not proceeding? And in such an instance, does that mean it cannot be brought again?
I find it strange that after spending so much time and money that Tendler is not pursuing his action against the RCA especially when the Jerusalem Bais Din has set the table by answering all procedural challenges.
My belief is that Tendler should be held to account for his NOT pursuing his Bais Din action against the RCA. There should be an inference, at the very least, that by not pursuing it, he cannot successfully defend the charges upon which the RCA based its decision of his expulsion from the organization.
November 9th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
I think that we do not have a new board here because the administrator thinks we are wasting out time with these stupid messages.
November 9th, 2006 at 7:58 pm
exactly what I was thinking. It will probably be discontinued soon.
November 9th, 2006 at 8:56 pm
I live on Wits End, and it is unfortunately true, that Shari’s kid drives a motorcycle on shabbos!
I think that if she would stop chaising Tendler’s “ding a ling” and pay more attention at home, she would be doing her family a favor.
November 10th, 2006 at 6:51 am
Even if it is true that he drives a motorcycle on Shabbos, you have just written loshon horah that is just as bad (if not worse).
November 12th, 2006 at 11:44 am
Below is something I picked up from the internet revealing the details of Tendler’s slapp suits in Ohio and Calif, and his loss in Calif. I spoke to Mr. Levy. A very nice gentleman and a committed attorney. I do not know who is advising Tendler, but all the suits he has initiated from bais din to secular ones have to be costing him or his sponsors a pretty penny.
And it is my opinion that the legal fees that have been already or will be awarded to the attorneys who opposed and were successful against Tendler the Calif. suit will run into the thousands of dollars.
Interestingly, as a side note, on Shabbat, a rabbi peripherally mentioned a Jew swearing on a sefer torah in the process of giving testimony.
Is this accepted practice? And if so would it not be in Tendler’s best interests to continue his bais din lawsuits and take the stand holding a sefer torah and giving testimony?
Putting it another way, it seems almost infantile and certainly is disrespectfu to the rabbenut as well as to all of orthodox Judaism for Tendler NOT to pursue his bais din against the RCA because he may have misgivings about one of the Judges, especially where if he were to swear on a sefer torah, his testimony would be accorded not only great weight before the judges, but to the orthodox Jewish public witnessing it.
After all Tendler issued blanket denials in a March 2005 meeting at KNH. Frankly, all he would have to do is state the same, but this time holding a sefer torah in his arms. Similarly, his accusers could be asked to do the same. A question I do have is whether any such swearing by Tendler would be able to rebut the alleged mountains of demonstrative evidence (i.e. tapes, etc) that is allegedly out there.
Date: October 12, 2006 4:29:58 PM EDT
To: ...
From: Paul Levy
Subject: Defrocked rabbi must pay bloggers’ legal fees
We have obtained a SLAPP ruling against New York rabbi Mordechai Tendler, who brought proceedings first in Ohio and then in California to try to identify several anonymous bloggers who commented on charges that he abused his position of relgious authority to get sexual contact with women who had come to him for counseling. After we got into the case to get the subpoane quashed, he dropped the case, got the clerk to take the SLAPP motin off calendar, and even filed a motion to “substitute counsel” with himself as a pro se lawyer (without providing any address or telephone number by which he could be contacted), in an apparent effort to evade our SLAPP motion.
The judge has now granted our request for attorney fees, and we and EFF, which worked with us in California to defeat Tendler’s slimy legal tactics, are going to find him and make him pay the judgment. We have got to find a way to communicate to the people who bring these baseless libel cases as a ploy to identify their critics — and to the lawyers who advise them — that it is a foolhardy tactic.
Paul Alan Levy
Public Citizen Litigation Group
1600 - 20th Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20009
(202) 588-1000
...
Angela Bradbery 10/12/2006 4:15 PM >>>
PUBLIC CITIZEN PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release: Contact: Paul Alan Levy (202) 588-1000
Oct. 12, 2006 Angela Bradbery (202) 588-7741
Defrocked Rabbi Must Pay Anonymous Bloggers’ Attorney Fees
Judge Says Rabbi’s Petition to Disclose Bloggers Was Brought Without Basis
WASHINGTON, D.C. - A California Superior Court judge ruled today that a rabbi’s petition to disclose the identities of anonymous bloggers who wrote on the Internet about his alleged sexual misconduct was brought without basis and that the rabbi must pay the bloggers’ attorney fees incurred in protecting their anonymity.
Orthodox rabbi Mordechai Tendler, who served a congregation in New Hempstead, N.Y., was accused of sexual abuse and harassment by some of the women whom he had been advising. The controversy garnered much mainstream media attention when Tendler was expelled from the Rabbinical Council of America in March 2005, was sued by one of his accusers in December 2005 and was dismissed from his rabbinical post by his congregation in 2006.
Many blogs also covered the investigation of Tendler’s alleged misconduct. In an effort to fight back against the accusations, Tendler has sought to reveal the identities of four bloggers who anonymously wrote about his case on the following Blogspot sites: ..., ..., ... and ...
Tendler filed a petition in February 2006 in Ohio to identify three of the bloggers, stating that he had been the subject of false and defamatory statements but identifying no particular statements and no evidence that the postings were false, a requirement to prove defamation. After the Ohio court granted his petition, Tendler filed a new case in San Jose, Calif., to obtain enforceable subpoenas directed to Google, which operates Blogspot, compelling it to disclose information identifying four bloggers.
However, Public Citizen agreed to represent the three bloggers who had been originally sued and filed a special motion to strike the California case under California’s anti-SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuits Against Public Participation) statute. In an apparent attempt to evade the statute, Tendler withdrew the subpoenas, dismissed the case and dismissed his attorneys. Today’s ruling by Judge Neal A. Cabrinha of the California Superior Court for Santa Clara County rejected those maneuvers and held that Tendler is responsible for the bloggers’ attorney fees.
“The right to criticize anonymously on the Internet is a fundamental free speech right and an important tool for whistleblowers and consumers who speak out about the misconduct or corruption of big companies or public figures,” said Paul Alan Levy, the Public Citizen attorney who filed the motion. “Those who want to intimidate their critics with the threat of identification, but who have no real basis for suing, should learn from this case that they cannot file suit and then expect to withdraw if the critics are ready to fight back. Companies and powerful individuals who try this trick should be prepared for the financial consequences.”
Corynne McSherry of the San Francisco-based nonprofit Electronic Frontier Foundation serves as local counsel for Public Citizen. To view the motions, visit ... Tendler_memotoquash.pdf and ... Tendler_SLAPPmemo.pdf. The SLAPP ruling can be viewed at http:// ...
Public Citizen has a strong record of defending the First Amendment rights of Internet users. To learn more, visit ... litigation/briefs/IntFreeSpch/.
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Public Citizen is a national, nonprofit consumer advocacy organization based in Washington, D.C. For more information, please visit ...
November 14th, 2006 at 1:46 am
We’ve already obtained a court order for our attorney fees. Now we have a Motion to set the amount for our Attorney Fees scheduled for January 4, 2007 at 9:00 AM in the Superior Court of Californa, County of Santa Clara.
Currently, rasha Tendler I no longer has legal representation in California. He has a fool for a client, himself. Will he appear for himself in California? Better keep the press informed on this one.
November 14th, 2006 at 1:44 pm
For those interested in the JewishWipeyourBlowhole is talking about, check out the web site of the Superior Court of California
Case Information
Number: 1-06-CV-064307
Title: Tendler Vs Doe
Category: Defamation - Unlimited
Note, the Electronic Frontier Foundation does not charge for their services. So, JWB hasn’t been out a slimy dime yet. Any fees recovered by the EFF are theirs.
November 14th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
JWB not tell the truth? Shocking news.
November 14th, 2006 at 8:33 pm
To FormerKNHMember
You are 100% correct that the EFF does not charge for their services, any all fees recovered are in fact theirs…..
JWB never wrote or implied that we put a “dime” out of our pockets.
What we are reporting is that The “Slime” Mordy will now have to pay thousands of dollars to EFF, he can now use some of the $50,000.00 that he shnorred from Kushner.
We have other suprises for the “slime ball” Tendler very soon. He will have to continue to schnorr for his legal fees!
See you on Jan4 in Ca … Mordy!
Good excuse to get away from Michelle and continue to chase skirts in Ca!
November 15th, 2006 at 2:16 am
I heard that Mordy’s mother is not well. Mordy’s sister Rivka is in the States from Israel because of it.
any info?
November 15th, 2006 at 7:57 am
The creep Morris Esformes, who is suing members of KNH who had the guts to oust the pervert Tendler (he is suing on behalf of the pervert) is now having the campus for the Monsey Academy for Girls named after him. Obviously, he donated a lot of money for this. This explains the connection between the principal of the school and the Tendlers, and why he turned a bunch of the names of the advocates and victims into Tendler years ago.
So, I have a question. These are high risk girls, and will Mordecai Tendler be allowed to have any connection with them? Or Morris Esformes, the pervert enabler and supporter, how much contact will he be allowed to have with these girls?
May G-d protect these girls.
November 15th, 2006 at 8:11 am
The lawyer representing ESFORMES and the other aledged members of KNH (aleged because Harry and Eileen Grossman, Gavriel and Osnot Nacca, Joyce Simon and the Schrantzs’, NEVER paid any dues to KNH) in the Derivitive lawsuit, is PAUL SAVAD, who also happens to represent the Monsey Girls School.
November 15th, 2006 at 8:27 am
Someone should ask Rabbi Ronny Greenwald about this, he would want the community to give support to MAG without questioning who is their main supporter.
November 15th, 2006 at 8:49 am
NHN is reporting that Greenwald was always “in bed” with the Tendlers.
...
November 15th, 2006 at 9:22 am
Check out New Hempstead News. Some pretty heavy information on it regarding the Greenwald/MAG/Esformes/Tendler connection - ...
November 15th, 2006 at 7:07 pm
Maybe nobody should send their daughters to camp Sternberg anymore…
November 15th, 2006 at 9:28 pm
As one of the victims, I wouldn’t recommend anyone ask Ronny Greenwald. He’ll just report your name back to Tendler or Esformes - and that is very frightening. You never know what will happen next. Your kid will be kicked out of school, you’ll be fired from your job, you’ll be ousted from many Jewish public places - or who knows, maybe worse.
November 15th, 2006 at 9:30 pm
I want to know if Tendler and Esformes will be allowed to wander freely around the MAG campus when it is up and running - or have any contact with these girls for that matter. What can be done to monitor this?
November 16th, 2006 at 6:12 am
Well, fortunately Unknown Taryag poster, there is this blog, which is a bastion of comfort - a citadel of integrity - a true makom Torah, a stronghold devoted to truth and justice. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 16th, 2006 at 6:29 am
This is a black suit naaat.
November 17th, 2006 at 2:20 pm
With Rabbi Mo Esformes, a public supporter of Rabbi Tendler, being publicly honored with the naming of the campus of the Monsey Academy for Girls after him, does this mean that Rabbi Tendler is once more acceptable to the rabbinic community, e.g., Rabbi Greenwald, whom I understand to be well respected in the community, and by the other rabbis who will be in attendance at the ceremony.
And if so, will Rabbi Tendler now have the confidence to aggressively pursue his bais din with the RCA?
November 18th, 2006 at 12:34 pm
Rabbi Tendler would be a complete and utter idiot to pursue any kind of court case. Be serious now.
November 18th, 2006 at 5:47 pm
He was a comlete and utter idiot to pursue several of the victims AFTER the RCA kicked him out, yet he continued these relationships and was spotted by members of his congregation while doing so.
November 18th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
It is the Tendler/Esformes cadre that has far more credibility with the mainstream Judeo Elite than the rag tag potzers over at KNH. They should stop patting themselves on the back all day over there and start realizing what most people think of them. It ain’t good.
November 18th, 2006 at 6:41 pm
FROM “JEWISH SURVIVORS OF SEXUAL VIOLENCE” BLOG
The Saga of Mordecai Tendler and The anti-SLAPP law continues
November 15, 2006
The Honorable Neal A. Cabrinha
Judge of the Superior Court
Superior Court of the State of California
191 North First Street.
San Jose, California 95113
Re: Tendler v. John Doe
No. 1 06 cv 064307
Dear Judge Cabrinha:
I am the Plaintiff in this matter and am acting pro se. I understand that you ruled against me and now a claim for tens of thousands of dollars is being made and I have not had the opportunity to defend myself.
For approximately the past two years, I have been the subject of a concerted and constant internet campaign to destroy my reputation, livelihood, and family. Disgusting allegations of sexual impropriety, all of them false, have been circulated about me and amplified in such horrific proportions, as only can happen on the internet. I have been the subject of internet harassment though thinly veiled threats of physical harm. (For your information, I filed a complaint with the FBI and met with FBI agents about the threats; I don’t know the status of my FBI complaint.) These allegations and threats have, in fact, destroyed my reputation as a rabbi and teacher, and have caused me hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in actual and future damages.
Defending myself and attempting to restore my reputation has occupied virtually all of my time for the past 18 months. However, an effective defense is impossible when I do not know who is attacking me. You see, your honor, the sources of the allegations against me are anonymous. That’s right; these ugly statements, rumors and innuendoes have circulated far and wide with such destructive impact while the sources of the attacks hide behind a cloak of internet secrecy. The individuals making these claims have refused to step forward and have their defamatory claims examined in the light of day or allow me simple due process. The threats have been made under the cloak of internet anonymity.
Attached, for your information, are but a few of the literally thousands of internet pages containing the vitriolic, hateful, threatening and clearly defamatory attacks against me (and, sometimes, my family). The blogs I subpoenaed also acted as instigators, soliciting others to harass and defame me and my family. I believe that they conspired with each other and with others to create an environment where it would be fashionable and proper to say the most outrageous things as long as the statements would be harmful to me and my family. I also believe that at least one of the subpoenaed blogs was used freely by its owner as a “reputable source? from with to quote as if quoting a news source in an attempt to shield its owner from defamation liability; in reality, the quoted materials were libelous lies used intentionally to destroy me. Anyone logging on to any of the blogs I subpoenaed (or the blogs in the attached pages), especially the archives from 2005 and the first half of 2006, will see how horrible this is.
Whether materials on these blogs is defamatory is a matter for the courts to decide in actions which I am pursuing and will file appropriate and frankly easily accessible courts; I was compelled to come cross country to California merely seeking names from Google, not to bring my defamation action there. Once I uncovered who these bad actors are, I can pursue and prepare my case for defamation and any other claims. But as the reader can see, these bloggers are dedicated to hurting me and my family; they should be subject to full legal liability for their words and actions. I am entitled to find out who these people are so I can exercise my legal rights.
In an effort to break through the veil of secrecy so I could determine who is making the claims, threats and in order to defend and proceed against them. I filed a defamation action in Ohio. In that action, valid subpoenas were issued to Google to determine the identities of some of the most egregious defamers in this sorry affair. (as you see in the attached pages, the bloggers who were the subject of my subpoenas play prominently in the horrible attacks against me.) Those bloggers then called in “free speech? lawyers who then went to town attacking me anew to stop the subpoenas.
I believe that this really should have been a simple matter. I find out who is attacking me so I can defend myself and take whatever legal actions I can against them. But these bloggers don’t want to be uncovered; like poisonous snakes, they stay hidden so they can inject their damage again and again. They want to continue to do their damage and spread their filthy vicious lies with no accountability.
First, as you can see from the tiny sampling of the attached pages, I have really been defamed; I was made the subject of a campaign of internet harassment, and have been impliedly threatened with serious physical harm. Sure, I will need to take legal action to pursue my claims, as I have already done, but whether or not these disgusting statements are true or false is not the issue presented to the California judicial system. I am not a person of substantial financial means and cannot be traveling cross country litigating. I believe that as a direct result of the cascade of defamation on the internet, I was fired from my job. I have lost my professional reputation and I simply cannot afford to travel and have a lawyer in California.
Second, I am not a government or other public official. I hold no public position. I am a private individual who has been defamed. The SLAPP law has zero application to my attempt to find out who has damaged me.
I know that these “public interest? lawyers who are acting for the anonymous bloggers, in an attempt to paint a ridiculous picture that the SLAPP law should apply to me, filed affidavits of two “rabbis? trying to connect the dots that those who have defamed me must stay anonymous out of some ridiculous and frankly false pretension that the people who have both threatened my life and defamed me fear retaliation. You should know that these two “rabbis? have played prominent and I believe very active roles in spreading false allegations against me (but, I am told, that maybe for now their carefully crafted public statements of which I am presently aware, have fallen just short of actionable defamation). The bottom line is that I was defamed. I have been anonymously harassed over the internet and I have a real defamation and harassment claim to be litigated. I am not a public figure, and the SLAPP law should have no impact on my action.
The false allegations against me have become the subject of several lawsuits in New York. I am told that the identities of some of the anonymous bloggers will very likely be exposed in one or more of these cases. Therefore, when Google took every possible opportunity to delay giving me the names so these “public interest? lawyers acting for the bloggers could file their action against me, and faced with very large New York legal bills and the possibility of another $10,000 - $20,000 to fight the California SLAPP action, I agreed to drop the Ohio action and withdraw the subpoenas.
With limited and rapidly dwindling financial resources, I also could not pay a California attorney to defend the SLAPP action. (I only hired a California lawyer earlier to get the subpoena confirmed by a California court so Google would obey.) I decided to defend myself. I figured that it would be a relatively simple matter to defend myself in this subpoena action. Little did I know that would not have the chance to respond while representing myself. Before having the opportunity to send anything to the court and without knowing of any time issues, your honor ruled against me. I regretfully did not have the chance to make my case.
Now I am told that a claim for almost $50,000 has been made against me to pay the lawyers in the SLAPP action. How they can build up $50,000 in a motion which I was not even served with papers after my lawyers withdrew and I did not even have a real opportunity to contest because of my not being a lawyer is beyond me. The present claim exposes the anonymous bloggers for what they are really trying to accomplish. The SLAPP law was designed to help citizens exercise their Constitutional rights without fear of retaliation. The bloggers are abusing the SLAPP law by using it to stop me from exercising my Constitutional rights.
This is a case of abuse of law and process by the anonymous bloggers who have used the internet to threaten me with physical harm and subjected me to outrageous defamation.
This is a case where someone is being shut out from his rights to not be threatened with physical harm and defamed. It is also about finding out who has harmed me. The information was and still is necessary.
This is also a case where someone who cannot afford a lawyer is being unfortunately penalized by lack of familiarity with the procedure of the courts in California. I have not had the opportunity to defend my rights on the merits.
I truly feel the anonymous bloggers have engaged in a blatant and undisguised attempt to use the law and the courts for improper purposes.
I respectfully ask your honor to please not let this unfair result stand. I therefore request that your honor consider this letter a formal request to un-do the order which granted the bloggers request for attorney fees. I also request that you consider my request that subpoenas be issued to Google in the interest of justice.
Not being a lawyer, i am not aware of the procedures involved in making requests to the court nor how to properly respond. Nonetheless, I request that the court excuse any failure on my part as I did not know that a response was due from me after my lawyer withdrew as attorney.
As you see, I have a meritorious claim and the request from the bloggers’ attorney is simply without any merit whatsoever.
With my best wishes, I remain
Very truly yours,
Mordecai Tendler
November 18th, 2006 at 6:42 pm
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To see the above posted article in whole.
November 18th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
What a sicko! Still delusional, with all the tapes, letters, and pictures that are out there. I know! Maybe he IS innocent, and has a twin brother with the same voice, the same handwriting, the same fingerprints, etc. and of course is identical. So when he was followed, it was actually the evil twin.
And to the Anonymous idiot who posted at 6:09 that states the Tendler/Esformes cadre has more credibility than KNH members - well got news for you. Orthodox Jews from both outside of Monsey as well as Greater Monsey are constantly saying, “Oh, does that perverted rabbi come from your area?” Or “Don’t know the details, but where there’s smoke, there’s fire.” I don’t hear any comments about KNH. In fact, Rabbis Schabes and Ciener are both supportive of KNH, and even signed Rabbi Wozner’s tshuvah. You Tendler supporters are selfish, distorted and delusional. You care only about the money or support he gives you, you don’t give a crap what he did to the women (wonder if it was your wives and daughters). You need cult deprogramming, and are doing your children a terrible disservice by supporting this rasha.
November 19th, 2006 at 1:05 am
This letter is absurd. Its nothing but an attempt by rasha Tendler I to avoid the consequences of the legal action HE INITIATED in OHIO.
We brought a Motion to dismiss that absurd action.
We won.
We are now entitled to our legal costs and on January 4, 2007 we will continue exercising our full legal rights in the California courts to obtain them.
The lesson here is that there is a Constitution and free speech in this great country and those who try to abuse those rights by filing absurd legal actions in OHIO will lose and be held accountable financially.
We bloggers in question have always acted within the law and have never defamed anyone. We have never committed any “abuse of law and process”, the legal record and public documents in this action quite clearly demonstrate that.
The fact that we won so quickly and now have a court decision in our favor prove it.
November 19th, 2006 at 1:46 am
How ironic that the same individuals who continue to defend and protect MT are building a school for young women. Just waiting for Greenwald to announce the names of the teachers and guidance counselors.
And I’ll just bet a truck load of Rabbis will attend the ground breaking.
November 19th, 2006 at 2:45 am
Anonymous 613, I don’t need anything from you, especially advice . I am outside Monsey and I can assure you plenty of people thing the whole New Hempstead, every last one, is a bunch of whackos. Tendler the least of them. Every woman involved is a basket case or an out and out disgrace to the race. Let alone the village idiots invovled. You think Tendler is the only one who slept around and cheated on his wife? Think again. It is you who needs deprogramming, but you’re too blind to realize. I tell you what, put your house up for sale and see if you make a dollar.
November 19th, 2006 at 8:32 am
Anonymous, I was just offered plenty of money for my house, and I am choosing to stay. Tendler is not the least of the wackos. He is the worst. He is a RASHA! Everyone trusted him, and he put himself out as some sort of savior. (Not that I ever bought that.) He is the worst of all. Because more is expected of him. Because of who his family and his grandfather is. Yes, we were all idiots for following him. But he is the Reverend Jones, Shabbatai Zvi, Reverend Moon, J.C. of our world.
And this is not just about cheating on his wife - it is about using his power and control to sleep with women who he was promising to help. And don’t you dare judge the women. You don’t know all of them. There are several of them who said no to him, and threatened to kick him in the balls. (Wish they had.)
November 19th, 2006 at 9:31 am
Tendler’s “Crocodile Tears” To Judge Cabrinha
Mordy Tendler, the chief pervert of New Hempstead, wrote a letter to Judge Cabrinha, the Judge who ruled against him in the “bloggers case,” asking the Judge to reopen his case. See the complete letter at ...
In this letter to the Judge, Tendler writes:
“Discusting allegations of sexual impropriety, all of them false, have been circulated about me and amplified in such horrific proportions, as only can happen on the internet.”
Hey Mordy … “All of them false?”
That you had sexual relations with victim #1 is false?
Then why did you give her $100,000.00 ???
You didn’t have sexual relations with the victim that is suing you now in Civil Court in NYC???
Then why are you stalling the case??
Why dont you go to trial and clear your filthy name once and for all?
Tendler writes:
“I filed a complaint with the FBI”
Did you tell the FBI that you cannot keep your zipper shut?
Did you tell the FBI that you harassed the victims after Ronnie Greenwald gave you their names?
Did you tell the FBI that you harassed all the victims that testified for the RCA?
Did you tell the FBI that you harassed at least 13 women that we (NHN) know of, and countless women that we dont know?
Did you tell the FBI that you are a Sexual predator???
Did you tell the FBI that the 22 families that you counseled are all divorced?
Did you tell the FBI about all the families that you destroyed?
I think not!
Tendler writes:
“But these bloggers don’t want to be uncovered; like poisonous snakes, they stay hidden so they can inject their damage again and again.”
Mordy, you are the “poisonous snake.” you are the one who “inject their damage again and again.” Funny that you used the words “inject” … Now we all know how we got a hold of your DNA!
Crazy Tendler continues to write:
“I am not a person of substantial financial means and cannot be traveling cross country litigating.”
Then why oh why did you sue us in Ohio and California ? HMM? You are the one who initiated all these “cross country” law suits!
He writes:
“I believe that as a direct result of the cascade of defamation on the internet, I was fired from my job. I have lost my professional reputation.”
It was not because of the internet that you were fired from your job and lost your reputation.. It was because you cheated on your wife and had sexual relations with your congregants.
Then this Tendler writes:
“This is also a case where someone who cannot afford a lawyer is being unfortunately penalized by lack of familiarity with the procedure of the court in California.”
If you were not familiar with procedure of the court in California, then why did you file a lawsuit there? You liar!
He writes:
“I also request that you consider my request that subpoenas be issued to Google in the interest of justice.”
In the “interest of justice” why don’t you get the hell out of town and leave us alone!
We are not afraid of your letters to Judges and will hold you accountable for all the damage that you did to our community!
posted by New Hempstead News @ 7:47 PM
November 19th, 2006 at 1:02 pm
My heart is almost breaking for Rabbi Tendler, with him being exposed to the possibility of a judgment against him for thousands of dollars in legal fees in the California Slapp suit that he lost…….NOT. This is especially so given that Rabbi Tendler has said nothing about the millions of dollars being sought in damages against certain individual defendants on the respective Boards of Kehillat New Hempstead in the derivative lawsuit that was brought this year by alleged former KNH members such as Rabbi Morris Esformes, Harry and Eileen Grossman, Jack and Sheila Schranz, Jeffrey Friedman, to name some.
I have finished reading Rabbi Tendler’s epistle to the Honorable Judge Cabrinha. But, isn’t truth a defense to his claim of “Disgusting allegations of sexual impropriety; all of them false?” In the interest of making open disclosure to the court, shouldn’t Rabbi Tendler have sent the Judge a copy of the report of the Rabbinical Council of America? Shouldn’t he have sent a copy of Ms. Marmelstein’s complaint, as well?
After all Rabbi Tendler writes that “Defamatory materials on these blogs is a matter for the courts to decide which I am pursuing and will file appropriate and frankly easily accessible courts;…”
How can the court, as Rabbi Tendler claims [”First, as you can see from the tiny sampling of the attached pages, I have really been defamed;…] determine if Rabbi Tendler was defamed when he leaves out all the relevant documents upon which decisions were based, in whole or in part, to expel him from the Rabbinical Council of America and terminate his services at Kehillat New Hempstead? If Rabbi Tendler has been damaged as he claims to the tune of “hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in actual and future damages,” has it really been the result of the bloggers? Or, has his house of cards come crumbling down when the most prestigious orthodox rabbinical organization in the country expelled him?
In my opinion, the RCA’s decision was not made as a result of blogger entries; no, in truth, when Rabbi Tendler writes “I have lost my professional reputation,” it resulted, in my opinion, from the lengthy and extensive investigation made by the RCA and the very few but brave local rabbis (like Rabbi Wosner) who likewise investigated and would not remain silent in light of the information revealed by their investigation.
Rabbi Tendler states in his letter to the Judge, “The bottom line is that I was defamed.” And my response is, was he? Rather than the imbecility of what he did, i.e., going to Ohio and then to California, to obtain blogger identities for potential defamation lawsuits, he has had and still does have the opportunity of defending the allegedly ‘defamatory’ accusations against him by doing two things.
First, he should aggresively pursue a Bais Din with the RCA. We all are aware that Rabbi Tendler went all the way to Jerusalem to get a determination that he was entitled to a Bais Din over his expulsion. Rabbi Tendler claimed that he was denied a meaningful opportunity to be heard. Well, the Jerusalem Bais Din agreed and sent the matter back to the USA with an easily understandable procedural framework upon which to conduct the hearing. In spite of this, nothing has since occurred. To my understanding, the RCA is prepared to go forward and has selected a judge (one of three) to hear the case. Yet, from Rabbi Tendler’s corner, I have heard nothing, and no Bais Din has occurred even though almost a year has passed since the last ruling by the Jerusalem Bais Din.
Secondly, instead of claiming that New York Courts have no jurisdiction over the substance of the lawsuit brought by Ms. Marmelstein, Rabbi Tendler should withdraw this defense and proceed to defend the matter on the merits.
Let’s be frank. The suits in Ohio and California to obtain blogger identities is juvenile. The real harm to Rabbi Tendler’s reputation has never come from them. No, the matter is much closer to home.
It is to Rabbi Tendler’s advantage to be open and up front. He should publish the RCA report. He should go to Bais Din with the RCA, and defend Ms. Marmelstein’s lawsuit on the merits. And with regard to any other allegations out there, whether in the form of testimony, tapes, etc., whatever, he should ask that they be produced and published. Then, with the community watching, he should make his defense.
In the end, asking Judge Cabrinha to undo His order and issue subpoenaes to obtain the identities of bloggers will do nothing to restore Rabbi Tendler’s reputation. Dealing with the allegations against him from the very sources from which they came, that holds the possibility of redemption…………………..this, being, of course, if those allegations are untrue.
November 19th, 2006 at 2:36 pm
Rasha Tendler I has never been interested in having the allegations against him determined on the merits.
1) He refused to co-operate with the Praesidium investigation.
2) He refused to co-operate with the RCA.
3) He’s done everything to avoid actually having a bais din trial.
4) He’s delayed the lawsuits pending against him with every possible appeal.
5) He RAN AWAY from the OHIO and California legal actions he filed.
6) Former KNH members are now suing KNH and board members in his place.
Get the point?
What has he done to bring any of this to ANY body for final determination?
Why are any of the koolaid drinkers still following him?
The nice thing is now that bankruptcy is not an option, these judgments (ours and others to come) will follow rasha Tendler I (and any of those bringing derivative lawsuits) around until they are paid.
November 19th, 2006 at 3:00 pm
I heard TEndler say repeatedly that it is absolutely forbidden to go to a secular court. Thanks to Tendler, I no longer pay much attention to anything a rabbi says you should or shouldn’t do.
November 19th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
I challenge anyone to produce a psak that rasha Tendler I or his followers could sue anyone in civil court.
November 19th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
Can someone explain to us how this letter of Tendler became public? Did he publish it? I doubt the court in California did. How did this get out into the open?
November 19th, 2006 at 5:43 pm
In writing to the Judge, Tendler is required to send a copy of his writing to the defendants. And the letter is a document that is now part of the public record, as are any other paper, pleadings, motions, etc., on any case, unless specifically sealed by the Court, which was not done in this case. So this letter by Tendler was always a public document.
November 19th, 2006 at 9:06 pm
Dude, how private do you think documents in a legal action against bloggers are going to be? It’s all a matter of public record.
November 20th, 2006 at 8:26 am
One of the Bloggers is going to reveal himself soon, then wait for Tendler’s defamaion suit against him, so that all of the proof can finally come out. I understand that he has three lawyers waiting to take Tendler down!
November 20th, 2006 at 5:01 pm
if so, he be in deep doo. shinkqwee
November 20th, 2006 at 9:20 pm
613, I will judge in the court of public opinion anyone I damn well please including the lunatic “victims” the lunatic rabbi and the lunatic synogogue. NONE of this would have happened if the stars hadn’t aligned just right. Without the needy hapless bitchs, the Weeny Smuggler never would have gotten past first base, and without the cyanide sucking congregation none of this would have flown in the first place. You all needed and deserved each other, and you reaped what you sewed.
November 20th, 2006 at 10:59 pm
There is no way that Tendler wrote that letter to the judge. Anyone who has heard him speak or read anything that he writes knows that Tendler does not use the wording or the style that is used in that letter. One of his brothers, Hillel or Eli (both lawyers), probably wrote it.
While Tendler is crying poverty, let’s see how many people he invites to his daughter’s wedding in a few months. The previous weddings of his kids had at least 500 guests.
If Tendler is so sure that he was defamed, why did he drop his legal manuvers in Ohio and California? His letter reeks of stupidity.
All of the families and individuals who have been victimized (sexually or otherwise) by Tendler should send a personal letter to Judge Cabrinha to share our insights and experiences. The defendants should send Judge Cabrinha a copy of the RCA expulsion letter, the Praesidium report and a certified translation of Rabbi Wosner’s letters.
The Honorable Neal A. Cabrinha
Judge of the Superior Court
Superior Court of the State of California
191 North First Street.
San Jose, California 95113
November 20th, 2006 at 11:45 pm
I would recommend that the more appropriate course of action would be to contact our legal team and offer to assist our legal action in any way possible. It is far more appropriate to allow our legal team to file any materials that we deem appropriate.
No one should under any circumstances should try to contact Judge Cabrinha directly, it is inappropriate and does not assist us in any way.
I would note that we have filed at this point 100s of pages of materials with the court. That includes extensive legal submissions, news articles and affidavits
Frankly folks, rasha Tendler I’s letter is absurd and should indicate the extent of jeopardy he now finds himself in.
Not only has his Ohio-California ploy fallen apart completely, he now may be held accountable by our legal system for his actions, financially accountable. This absurd letter should be a clear sign of the desperation of Team Tendler.
If he had not run like a coward from our Anti-SLAPP motion, which he could never have won, it would have been even worse for him.
I would note that the October 12, 2006 ruling is a matter of public record and it makes a great flyer, a wicked poster, awsome wallpaper and the coolest t-shirt, particularly when used in Monsey. You are also free in this country to contact journalists and ask them why this latest absurd letter hasn’t been reported on and whether they will send a reporter to cover the January 4, 2007 hearing.
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November 21st, 2006 at 6:33 am
jagshemash! who is this hero Tendlers? He make sexy time with many wifes? WA WA WEE WA! I likes to meet him and learn sexy ways here in US of A. Shinkwee!
November 21st, 2006 at 9:49 am
Anonymous, who wants to judge us - first of all again, did you understand what I said. Some of the women told him to go to hell! Are they “bitches” too, you woman-hating jerk? And yeah, any of us that followed him have to take responsibility for what happened, but we reap what we sow? Did the followers of Shabbatai Tzvi “reap what they sowed,” which was a large portion of the Jewish people, how about all the other false messiahs and cult leaders throughout time? Again, people have to take responsibility for their own actions, but the main guilt falls on the evil perpetrator, and you seem to be placing very little responsibility on the rasha that is Tendler
November 21st, 2006 at 10:16 am
As to “Anonymous” November 20th, 2006 at 9:20 pm, I challenge him/her to produce a psak that backs up his/her false claims. The dayanim of Monsey have only declared one person publicly a rasha, the Shabbatai Tzvi of Monsey. The psaks are clear.
November 21st, 2006 at 1:44 pm
Anonymous of November 20th at 9:20 - Is a woman who is being “helped” by a rabbi in obtaining a get who pressures her sexually a “hapless bitch”? Is a woman who is being hit on by a rabbi who’s husband’s job and children’s position in yeshiva being threatened a “hapless bitch”? Is a 15 year old girl in counseling behind closed doors with a rabbi who is being inappropriate a “hapless bitch”? Is a young woman who’s physical safety is being threatened a “hapless bitch”? Is a woman who is being sexually pressured who is being threatened with losing custody of her children a “hapless bitch”? How about a woman who is ordered to sleep with a rabbi or he will have her thrown into prison or into a mental institution? In what possible position are you to judge any of these women? Maybe you have it too easy in your life.
November 21st, 2006 at 2:41 pm
Clearly, “Anonymous? November 20th, 2006 at 9:20 pm seems to be attacking the authority of ALL the dayanim and rabbonim of Monsey who actually evaluated the evidence and ruled publically against ONLY one person the rasha Shabbatai Tzvi of Monsey.
November 21st, 2006 at 10:13 pm
Jeffrey F. Cohen, Esq.; how many times did you persecute these poor women who were sexually abused, physically abused, used, and threatened by the Holy Rabbi? What did you do again? You went to authorities and reported Ester. Which authorities? What did you say? How many times? How many months did you follow Ms. Marmelstein? Did you ever follow the Holy Rabbi Tendler?
November 21st, 2006 at 10:26 pm
To KNHMember, tell us Can you explain how Michelle allows her husband Mordecai Tendler to be alone with Sharie Sofair in his office at home
November 23rd, 2006 at 7:15 am
I’m sure I’m not the only one waiting for your answer Jeff.
November 23rd, 2006 at 10:22 am
Anonymous November 21st, 2006 at 10:26 pm: You ask Jeff how many times he reported or persecuted these women.
Been there done that. Jeff has apologized numerous times on this blog about his behavior in the past. What’s done is done. No one, including Jeff, said that was a good thing or a glorious moment in their lives.
In RMT’s case, it would be nice if he displayed a modicum of remorse and admission of guilt. His sins are more numerous and of greater magnitude, and will, I am sure, be harder to forgive. The difference is that Jeff apologized and has offered to make amends. When that also occurs in the Tendler story, we’ll be able to move on!
November 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 am
Jeff Cohen has apologized many times on this blog for blindly supporting Rabbi Tendler and his actions towards the victims. Go back through all the Canonist blog pages and you will see Jeff’s many explanations of his actions and his regrets and apologies. Give the guy a break. He is one of the few people who have the guts to use their own name and issue a public apology for their actions. I don’t recall anyone else in KNH who has issued a public apology.
November 23rd, 2006 at 1:40 pm
nh is nice is Barry Cohen; Jeffrey F. Cohen, Esq friend and former neighbor; and yes Jeffrey F. Cohen, Esq gives many explanations’ for his continuous harassments. And you continue to excuse him for it; But Jeffrey F. Cohen, Esq, is not answering the questions.
November 23rd, 2006 at 8:31 pm
What gives Anonymous the right to remain Anonymous and meanwhile try to name B.C. as nh is nice. Seems very creepy and nasty to me.
November 24th, 2006 at 1:56 am
I have not harassed any woman. In one case, because of bizarre and apparently threatening behavior I encouraged Rabbi and Rebbetzin Tendler to obtain an Order of
Protection against the person exhibiting the erratic behavior. Rabbi Tendler would not consider it because you are not supposed to report a fellow Jew to secular authorities. However, the Rabbi’s father called me and told me to proceed with the idea of getting the Order of Protection. I made some phone calls including speaking to someone, I believe, at the DA’s office. I passed the information onto Rabbi Tendler and he and his wife eventually met with someone from the DA’s office. After that, I have no first hand knowledge as to what occurred except that the person who had engaged in the aforesaid behavior left the synagogue.
Only years later did I learn from others and by hearing a tape of a recorded con
versation between the aforesaid person and Rabbi Tendler, that Rabbi Tendler, at least in my opinion, wanted to have more than an arms length relationship with that person.
Also,I never followed any woman or Rabbi Tendler. And if anyone wants to follow me
take the Bronx River Parkway and get off the Fordham Road exit. From there you should easily make it to my office at 617 East 188th Street, Bronx. The office does real estate work, landlord and tenant, and commercial litigation, and personal injury work. Referrals are welcome.
While I am a bit nonplussed by the tone of Anonymous’s entry, I respect it. But, could you also direct your angst at asking why Tendler has not proceeded with his Bais Din against the Rabbinical Council of America. What is he waiting for?
November 24th, 2006 at 3:18 pm
Hey cousin Brucie, who were you running from on 306 today with the snood on your head? Typical BT, you try to teach them something and they take it to the enth degree. It’s the women that cover their hair, tzatzkle, not the men. Looked like you were running from some serious demons. Must have a lot of regrets, voicing what you thought was smart when we all knew you needed to bark just to cover up the emptiness of your thoughts. Keep running.
November 24th, 2006 at 3:51 pm
I do not know who this Anonymous is commenting on myself and ‘cousin Brucie.’ But, I am sure everyone will agree that this person appears somewhat in the know and may well be a supporter of Tendler.
So, again, I ask and this time to Anoymous, what is the reason or reasons that Tendler won’t proceed to Bais Din with the RCA? What is the hold up? It is almost one year since the Jerusalem Beth Din made its last ruling.
November 25th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
Will the Anonymous Poster of November 24, 2006 at 3:18 please check into a mental institution before it is too late!
November 25th, 2006 at 9:06 pm
Despite the fact that two of the worst crimes in the OJ community are being a BT and challenging the status-quo, and Mr. jeffrey f. cohen, esq. is guilty on both accounts, he raises a valid point(October 13th, 2006 at 11:24 am, RE the Monstrowitz case), in which I believe this is the main stumbling block, or charge:
““As an outsider to the Catholic Church, it seems to me
that there is an infrastructure or a hierarchy and
they have the mechanism, they really do have the
mechanism to effect systemic change in a much easier
way in a much more efficient way and a much quicker
way because of that hierarchy,” Dratch said. “In the
Orthodox world, we don’t have such a hierarchy. There
is no pope and there are no levels of responsibility
and answerability.”
”
But “CSM Back Bencher Says:
November 4th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
It is not that anyone at CSM is taken in by a false sense of whether Mordy is innocent. No one cares. None of the other rabbonim in Monsey care, and they could not make that point more clear with every additional public appearance with Mordy. An entire shul coming to the vort could not make that more clear to the rest of the community, and the tens of thousands of dollars raised over the past few weeks for Mordy’s legal team cannot make a more definitive statement –no one cares whether he is guilty or innocent, and no one is even taking that point into equation of their actions.
If this runs contrary to your rose-colored fantasy of Judaism and frumkeit as truly lived and practices in Monsey and the rest of the world, you are in for many nasty disappointments in life. ”
At this point, IMHO CSM Bencher is still right, yet there is a feeling that that situation is changing. MAybe thanks to the ‘net or a change of the general public’s attitude, it seems that even the hardcore frum oilem is changing its attitude.
Anyone willing to weigh in on the topic?
November 25th, 2006 at 11:33 pm
Yossi,
Slowly, but surely, we are chipping away at the evil. But the worst problem is the apathy. People have to proverbially be smacked in the head that this could happen to their own - mothers, daughters, wives, sisters - sons too, of course. We are now - as has been discussed ad nauseum - at the point the Catholic Church was approximately two decades ago. It will take time. But there are those of us that will never give up.
The guys at CSM are old dinosaurs who refuse to use thinking brains. They are plagued with denial, ignorance and again good old apathy. I don’t think any of them contacted the board at KNH when the tapes and evidence were being reviewed by the board and the members. I doubt any of them met with the rabbis who signed the public document proclaiming MT a liar or with Rabbi Wosner who met many of the witnesses, victims and reviewed much of the proof. It is true that they don’t want to know.
November 26th, 2006 at 6:29 am
The
November 26th, 2006 at 6:36 am
The problem exists. In the frum world, many evil deeds are overlooked by the rabbis. There have been rabbis that have supported murderers, locked away, as they should be. These rabbis have tried to enlist other frum people, lawyers, etc., to try to get the murderers out of jail. Very hard to understand, but true. On the other hand, some evil deeds are not overlooked, such as selling traif meat to the community. That is not forgiven, while a guy who poisons his wife would still get an aliyah if he wasn’t in jail. It is a very strange set of values. Also, thieves are totally tolerated in the frum world. A guy can be the biggest goniff, everyone can know it, and he will still get that aliyah. Very strange. You won’t find that in other communities. Right here in New Hempstead, there are a couple of goniffs who get aliyahs on a regular basis. That ’s just the way our community is.
November 27th, 2006 at 2:03 pm
The problem with BTs is that many of them decided to embark on a new life out of principle. And when stuff goes around like with Tendler, or the New Square financial aid thefts, and the rest, and when black and white issues like support for Israel or fighting for the release of Jonathan Pollard, and there is nothing but silence, or worse yet, opposition from the FFBs in the black hat world, well then many of them feel betrayed………and foolish.
If I had to describe one feeling that the Tendler fiasco has left on me, it is Betrayal. And if I feel betrayed by some slickster who was preaching family values, I can only imagine the sense of betrayal that the alleged victims of Tendler’s alleged misconduct felt and probably still feel [spoken like a true lawyer]. That is right, Tendler has not been found guilty of anything in a court of law. But, in the court of public opinion, with the myriad of accusations against him and the findings and determinations of the RCA and Rabbi Wosner and others, his blanket denials just won’t do.
If Tendler has an ounce of integrity, and believes he is innocent of all charges, then he should take the RCA on, as he originally intended, in the Bais Din sanctioned by the Jerusalem Beth Din. Let’s be done with this atmosphere of secrecy and scandal….at least with regard to Rabbi Tendler.
November 27th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
Tendler losses again
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November 28th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Mr Isreal’s posting and the CSM Back Bencher’s comments made me think its time to tell about how some CSM members think. One of them approached me, to tell me that he is trying to broker a deal between MT and KNH. “I don’t know if he is guilty or not, but you guys need to pay him. This way he will go away with some pride. He was your Rabbi for several years, you owe him that much.”
This thinking, I believe, is prevalant in CSM. I told him I don’t think he will be successful in his deal making.
Cheers
November 29th, 2006 at 9:10 am
Dude, that’s not a loss. It’s a motion denied.
Get a life.
November 29th, 2006 at 9:40 am
To the previous Anonymous dude. It sure is a loss. It means that KNH can hire a new rabbi, get rid of all Tendler’s belongings, change the name of the synagogue, move on. Any lawsuits still pending will take years, and by that time he and his cult will never be able to get back in. It’s time for him to move on - and for the cult to disband - and for all of them to GET A LIFE!
November 29th, 2006 at 10:42 am
Did anyone attend the ground breaking for the new girls’ school in New Hempstead this past Sunday? Was Tendler there? Did he speak?
November 29th, 2006 at 11:02 am
Tendler is going down fast. He lost his first case against the bloggers. In that case he will pay thousands of $$$$$$’s to our lawyers.
Now, Thank G-d, he lost his second case.
In this case he (the pervert) rounded up some sicko supporters,(Esformes, Grossman, Friedman,Nacca,Simon,Schranz) and sued Brinn, Ratner, Minsky, Pomerantz, Wolfset and David Resnick, individually and the Board of Directors and the Trustees of KNH.
Well, Judge Richard Liebowitz (G-d Bless him) denied the “sickos” application for a preliminary injunction in all respects. It seems highly likely that his Breach of Contract will follow the same route and be denied due to not being able to apply neutral principals of law which would have allowed for impermissible inquires into the operation of the congregation and synagagogue. In other words, a Civil Court cannot hear issues revolving around religious law and issues. (Judge Leibowitz cited KNH’s Lawyer’s case law of Congregation Yetev Lev D’Satmar v. Kahana - 820 N.Y.S.2nd 62, 31 A.D.3rd 541 2nd Dept. , 2006)
This means KNH is now free to hire a new Rabbi, change the name of the Shul, throw his stuff out of the office.
November 29th, 2006 at 11:04 am
Forget the ground breaking ceremony.
I hear the KNH is having its own little ceremony to remove the lettering on the Shul building.
November 29th, 2006 at 11:32 am
I think that they should add a ritual to the previously-mentioned ceremony - bring in the Jewish version of an exorcist (I believe they had someone like that in the old days - as per the story “Dybuk”) and have him go through MT’s ex-office - I don’t know if you recite tehillin or burn aromatic herbs, whatever, but get rid of all the “bad energy” in there after all the evil acts that were performed in that room. Then, as an insurance policy for the future, put a large glass door on the office to replace the one that is there just in case.
November 29th, 2006 at 11:36 am
Could someone please post the judge’s entire decision on this blog?
November 29th, 2006 at 11:46 am
JUST SENT OUT BY KNH
November 29, 2006
Kislev 8, 5767
Dear Members and Friends:
As many of you know, this past July 2006, a lawsuit was commenced by several people against certain Board members individually, as well as against the Board of Directors, Board of Trustees, and Kehillat New Hempstead. The lawsuit, an alleged derivative action, filed during the Three Weeks, and with an initial hearing date on Tisha B’Av, initially sought a preliminary injunction prohibiting Kehillat New Hempstead from, among other things, identifying and hiring a new Rabbi. Overall, the plaintiffs sought not only to force Kehillat New Hempstead to rehire R. Tendler, but they also claimed monetary damages to them personally in an amount in excess of $1,000,000. These monetary damages were being sought both from Kehillat New Hempstead, and the individual Board members. As part of the initial phase of this lawsuit, the Court decided to temporarily prohibit certain KNH activities pending the determination of the request for a preliminary injunction.
At this time, I am very pleased to inform you that the Court this past week issued a decision denying the plaintiffs’ application for a preliminary injunction in all respects. As such, KNH is now free to operate without any Court imposed restrictions or prohibitions. The only matter now remaining in this lawsuit is KNH’s motion to dismiss the entire action. After numerous requests for an adjournment by plaintiffs, that motion is now returnable in Court on December 22, 2006.
In conjunction with the Court’s decision, and our firm convictions that all actions taken by KNH and its Board members were appropriate in all regards, we remain confident that the entire lawsuit will be dismissed.
In light of the above, a Special Membership Meeting will be scheduled in the next few weeks to discuss the future plans of the Shul. All members will be sent a notice of the meeting shortly, indicating all the details of the meeting and the agenda.
Fortunately for all of us, both as individuals and as a Community, Kehillat New Hempstead continues to successfully operate and grow with renewed viability, and we look forward B”H, to even more unimpeded successes and achievements in the future.
Fred Brinn
President
November 29th, 2006 at 12:28 pm
>After numerous requests for an adjournment by plaintiffs,
Duh, that’s all we’ve seen from Team Tendler who claims to want their day in court, one delaying tactic after another.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:43 pm
I read a while ago that Grossman, Nacca, Simon, Schranz were summoned to Bais Din for going to a civil court instead of a Bais Din. Can anyone update on the status of the Bais Din proceeding that the Plaintiff’s in the derivitive suit were taken to.
I heard that the Bais Din has already sent the 3rd Hazmona to appear and that a Hasroas Seiruv was also recently sent as well. Also is the matter before Mechon L’Hoyroa in Monsey.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:44 pm
Read the entire letter of the court Rabbi Mordecai Tendler/Esformes v. Kehillat New Hempstead.
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I also wanted to make everyone aware of this letter that was sent out by The Awareness Center a few weeks ago.
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November 16, 2006
The Fate of The Awareness Center is in your hands
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November 29th, 2006 at 2:10 pm
And yet they allegedly demand others appear at bais dins?
Par for course with Team Tendler.
November 29th, 2006 at 2:53 pm
The message below was sent by Fred Brinn, President of Kehillat New Hempstead. You will observe that it is high class, conciliatory and humble in tenor, without blame, hostility, threat or recrimination. This has been the manner of the respective Boards under the leaderships of past president Pomeranz and, now, Fred Brinn. The Boards of Directors and Trustees of Kehillat New Hempstead have in their governance under the most trying of conditions been Lincolnesque in their approach to Tendler and his supporters, maintaining a dignity and calm that has been, in my opinion, all to absent from the dismissed rabbi and his supporters.
So you can appreciate my point, I am reprinting the very last part of Lincoln’s second inaugural address. Read it for comparative purposes, and know what true mentschlichtkeit is:
“With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.”
This is how the Boards and the membership have [possibly, present writer excepted] dealt with the tragedy encompassed under the rubric of Tendler scandals.
Though Mr. Brinn will not publicize the names of the plaintiffs in the derivative action, or their attorney, I will. They are:
MORRIS ESFORMES, HARRY GROSSMAN, EILEEN GROSSMAN, JEFFERY FRIEDMAN,
NETZANA FRIEDMAN, GABRIEL M. O. NACCA,
OSNAT MIZRACHY NACCA, JOYCE SIMON,
JACK SCHRANZ, SHEILA SCHRANZ,
SIMON ZAROUR, LORI ZAROUR
These plaintiffs are being represented by Paul Savad.
In my opinion, these plaintiffs have not been so gracious, especially in their desire, as expressed in their complaint, to seek over one million dollars in damages from the individual members of the KNH Boards. I wonder how each of them would feel if the tables had been turned and they were being sued for monetary damages out of their own pockets?
And now for Mr. Brinn’s message
November 29, 2006
Kislev 8, 5767
Dear Members and Friends:
As many of you know, this past July 2006, a lawsuit was commenced by several people against certain Board members individually, as well as against the Board of Director, Board of Trustees, and Kehillat New Hempstead. The lawsuit, an alleged derivative action, filed during the Three Weeks and with an initial hearing date on Tisha B’Av, initially sought a preliminary injunction prohibiting Kehillat New Hempstead from, among other things, identifying and hiring a new Rabbi. Overall, the plaintiffs sought not only to force Kehillat New Hempstead to rehire R. Tendler, but they also claimed monetary damages to them personally in an amount in excess of $1,000,000. These monetary damages were being sought both from Kehillat New Hempstead, and the individual Board members. As part of the initial phase of this lawsuit, the Court decided to temporarily prohibit certain KNH activities pending the determination of the request for a preliminary injunction.
I am pleased to inform you that the Court this past week issued a decision denying the plaintiffs’ application for a preliminary injunction in all respects. As such, KNH is now free to operate without any Court imposed restriction or prohibition. The only matter now remaining in this lawsuit is KNH’s motion to dismiss the entire action. After numerous requests for an adjournment by plaintiffs, that motion is now returnable in Court on December 22, 2006.
In conjunction with the Court’s decision, and our firm convictions that all actions taken by KNH and its Board members were appropriate in all regards, we remain confident that the entire lawsuit will be dismissed.
In light of the above, a Special Membership Meeting will be scheduled in the next few weeks to discuss the future plans of the Shul. All members will be sent a notice of the meeting shortly, indicating all the details of the meeting and the agenda.
Fortunately for all of us, both as individuals and as a Community, Kehillat New Hempstead continues to successfully operate and grow with renewed viability, and we look forward B”H, to even more unimpeded successes and achievements in the future.
Fred Brinn
President
November 29th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
The same Paul Savad who represents Monsey Academy for Girls School, whose building is named after Morris Esformes, whose school is owned and run by Ronnie Greewald, who acted as intermediary with Tendlers victims and Tendler to attempt a settlement.
WOW - Please someone tell em how to buy the rights to this story.
November 29th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
Friedman and Zarour asked to be removed from the derivitive lawsuit as they claim to not know the true purpose of what they were signing. Supposedely however, their lawyer Paul Savad never removed their names from the papers.
November 29th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
The point in Brinns letter about the three weeks is not conciliatory, it sounds like sour grapes. And the return date is not set by plaintiff’s either, it is either statutory based on filing date or set by the court clerk. So mentioning that is irrelevant as well. Otherwise a nice letter. My point is once again Jeff has oversold his point when the facts can speak for themselves.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
to Kish Mich: the plaintiffs took it upon themselves to file their Order to Show Cause during the three weeks’ period. The court did not dictate this, and there is no statutory period involved. In my opinion, the filing at this time was purely gratuitous…..just like naming individual defendants and seeking seven figure damages from them.
But, don’t take my word for it. Ask the plaintiffs, themselves, or Mr. Savad.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:22 pm
Kish Mich
It is certainly true that the return date is not set by the plaintiffs, and it is set based on a filing date or set by the court clerk. The point was that the plaintiffs refused to agree on a postponement … and they did file the motion during the three weeks.
This proves three points:
(1) Tendler and his asslickers believe that the halalcha that a Jew cannot go to secular court does not apply to them.
(2) The Halacha that one should postpone any Court dealings during the 3 weeks, does not apply to them
(3) and finally, the Halacha that one should go Bais Din when summoned does not apply to them.
The only Halacha that applies to them is that one should not listen to Loshon Harah about anyone, even though this individual may be doing their wives and daughters.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:25 pm
Esformes controls Savad and both are controlled by Michelle Tendler. Plaintiff’s attorney fought to keep the return date on Tisha B’Av, trying to prevent an adjornment.
Michelle got the signatures for the derivitive case and pushed to get the papers signed. But don’t take my word for it ask Friedman, Zarour, or Joyce Simon herself.
Furthermore, the majority of the plaintiffs never met with Savad, didn’t know the contents of the lawsuit, didn’t know who they were even suing. But don’t take my word for it go ask Friedman. Zarour, or Simon.
Plaintiffs specifically requested a gag order on the file because the RCA report was submitted as part of defendants answer.
But maybe thats all just sour grapes. Right Kish.
November 29th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
Savad is a member of the Carlton Shul (Rabbi Wein’s Shul). He claims that members of his Shul encouraged him to take the case. Go ask the memebers there if this is true and why Savad took the case to begin with.
Posted above was the circle of evil: Savad=Esformes=Greewald=Tendler.
You make the connection.
November 29th, 2006 at 7:42 pm
I still blame the New Hempstead Village Board for letting this mess get out of hand. They should have thrown Tendler out a long time ago. /they should have shut the shul down for health reasons if there was illicit sex which contains germs in that shul. They could have done it they had the information but they sat around and did diddlysquat. Ever heard of Nero playing the fiddle while Rome burned? That’s exactly what happened in New Hempstead.
November 29th, 2006 at 10:14 pm
Anyone who thinks that the New Hempstead Village Board could have done anything to stop Tendler is fooling themselves. What did you expect them to do, raise his property taxes? Refuse to collect his garbage? Stop plowing the street he lives on? Give me a break.
This is the USA, not the USSR. You cannot throw someone out of their home or their town, especially when they have not been convicted of any criminal act.
November 29th, 2006 at 11:36 pm
The date issue is minutiae, not worth mentioning. You have to come on to THAT to show who you’re dealing with? Please. Only a fool beats a dead horse.
November 29th, 2006 at 11:39 pm
And now, for the MOST RETARDED POST EVER award:
“they should have shut the shul down for health reasons if there was illicit sex which contains germs in that shul”
And non-illicit sex in your home doesn’t contain the same “germs?”
November 30th, 2006 at 1:46 am
While I am not impressed with the legal harassment techniques of Mr. Savad. A legal secretary could have done a better job preparing the case. However, Esformes and Greenwald both have been terrific benefactors to the Jewish Community. This includes a very large donation from Esformes to build KNH. They must be extended special consideration and that they are involved in very important project for young women which does not involve MT. Many Rabbis are supporting this project including those who openly oppose MT.
To think that Michelle controls these individuals is obsurd. Both are seasoned business and politically savy individuals. However, they share many years of friendship and favors with the Tendler family and can be expected to lend a certain amount of support. So far there is no reason to think that they are Tendler puppets as their support seems fairly minimal at best.
The MT issue is clearly fading away and I expect that the legal issues will gradually reduce his position to nil. A sad end to what could have been a promising rabbinical position.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:14 am
To think that the rabbinical community does not care about the MT situation is absolutely incorrect. While many rabbonim may not have the Gevurah (guts) to act against MT, they have effectively distanced themselves (with a few exceptions) and will not cooperate with him at any level.
As for wedding and engagement parties, they are all for the bride and groom. I see no reason why the children should be embrassed any more than they already are. We all wish them the best and they find simcha in their new relationship. The fact that many people attend simply demonstrates the great sensitivity of the Jewish people.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:09 am
Kish Mich, I think the guy with that strange post was kidding.
November 30th, 2006 at 1:47 pm
With all due respect to my friend Mr. Pollack, I take a more dismal view of the rabbinical community. Rabbis have an obligation to speak out against injustice. It comes with learning and TEACHING the Torah and reposing themselves as the leaders of the faithful. It is incredibly hypocritical to hear Jews denounce goyische silence on the death of millions of Jews in the Shoah, and yet when it comes to comparatively minor things, like sexual harassment, theft between Jews, theft and deceit of the government, the tensions in the Middle East and the Holy Land, and the plight of Jonathan Pollard, to name a very few items of note, to witness the deafening silence from the rabbinical community.
To say that even though they are silent the Rabbinical Community does not support Tendler is a travesty and a shameful disgrace, for, in my opinion, he and his followers are allowed to sue whomever they damn well choose, inflict pain on innocents and receive no opposition whatsoever from the so-called leaders who supposedly have their collective fingers on the pulse of God.
And then we wonder why Jews intermarry or do not go to synagogue or or are unaffiliated or do their kiddush thing when the rabbis speak. If the rabbinical community wants respect, they have to earn it by speaking out on subjects that matter instead of hiding in their pilpul. It is for this reason that I am supportive of rabbis like Avi Weiss. He is the opposite of the mainstream orthodox Monsey rabbi, and perhaps that is why he is scorned and reviled in the Monsey community, and why whenever I have brought up his rabbinical school up as a possible source for candidates to interview for a position with KNH, my suggestions have been immediately dismissed. All I can say now is thank God for rabbis like Rabbi Twersky, and rabbi Wosner, whom I have not met, who did stand up against Tendler.
I know that my opinion will be criticized and one of the criticisms is that I am, or was a BT or am haaretz or both. Honestly, I don’t care. My family and non frum friends had and have more integrity in their pinkys than many of the Monsey rabbis, including the all knowing grand puba of New Square who, such a holy man as he had the one great pleasure that I never had, i.e., testifying before a Grand Jury on the multi-million dollar fraud committed by his close followers that were shortly thereafter pardoned by Clinton in exchange for votes for his pro abortion wife of Suha Arafat cheek kissing fame. In the end, I would rather be on the side of the ’sinners’ who really try to do the right thing and won’t sit still about the Tendler controversy than sit back and pretty much do nothing, or try and keep it out of sight.
November 30th, 2006 at 2:12 pm
The only reason KNH is not considering rabbis from Chovevei Torah is because Avi Weiss kisses his members. That’s what got KNH in trouble the first time.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:13 pm
Jeff, I agree with most of what you said, although the one area in which I think you are mistaken is in stating that some of the modern Orthodox rabbis are any better - when several of them sat on the board with Mordecai Gafni for many years and remained silent although there had been sexual abuse allegations against Gafni in several communities, each of which he was kicked out of. Also recently a rabbi who is one of the heads of the modern Orthodox movement has now been hired as an instructor at the modern Orthodox rabbinic school (Riverdale) - this rabbi openly supported Gafni for years, and badmouthed the victims. He claimed that he did an investigation, but he didn’t even speak to most of the victims. He publicly attacked some of the rabbis at Y.U. as well as some of the victim advocates who took a stance against Gafni. When Gafni finally admitted that he was guilty, after being arrested by police in Israel, these rabbis only gave half-hearted apologies despite the tremendous damage they had done. (By the way, most of the victims were teenage girls.)
Personally, I feel that in terms of rabbis - the ones that handled the Tendler situation the best was the RCA and the several Monsey rabbis who came through at the end (as you already stated). Even though the RCA made many mistakes along the way, their learning curve improved. But, I guess that the RCA, as well as most of the Y.U. rabbis (almost the same thing) are willing to address the issue of sexual abuse in the Jewish community after the blunder that was made many years ago in regard to the Lanner case.
November 30th, 2006 at 3:36 pm
Kish Mich Says: November 29th, 2006 at 11:39 pm
And now, for the MOST RETARDED POST EVER award:
Dear Mr. Kish Yourself:
- It take one to know one V’Dai L’Chakima B’Rmiza…
Kishy says: And non-illicit sex in your home doesn’t contain the same “germs?”
- Nop. My home does not have “the same germs”. Cause I don’t fool around or mix
with … My home has ONLY the normal daily stuff. IT IS TUM’AH and SHMUTZ FREE!
As no doubt, is yours too.
November 30th, 2006 at 7:10 pm
Mr. Cohen, with all due respect, rabbis like Avi Weiss are no different then the rest of their colleagues that refuse to act. He lent his name to child molester Rabbi Mordecai/Marc Gafni/Winiarz/Winyarz and his organization and then hired enabler Berman to YCT. Did he reach out to Gafni’s victims. No. Apparently, there are limits to Rabbi Weiss’ advocacy for justice and the vulnerable and it clearly does not include standing up and demanding justice of his colleagues. He demands accountability and responsibility of others, just not his colleagues or himself.
There are many good and decent rabbis, but few brave ones.
November 30th, 2006 at 7:16 pm
A few of the brave ones filed affidavits on my (and my fellow bloggers) behalf explaing how bad it is in our community.
We live in a generation, when our leaders will not stand up publicly and fight the Shabbtai Tzvi’s of this generation.
Last year our leaders claimed they didn’t sweep abuse under the rug, last week they admitted they do but now claim that sweeping abuse under the rug is good and what our Torah demands. Obscene how they’ve twisted our Torah and the basic ideas of goodness and justice.
So you’re left with me and mine to expose and isolate our predators.
God help us all. God protect our children, our leaders won’t.
November 30th, 2006 at 7:27 pm
Per Mashgiach of Beth Medrash Govoha, Lakewood, Rabbi Matisyahu Salomon:
…
Contemporary scoffers, the Mashgiach pointed out, like to accuse the chareidi community of “sweeping things under the carpet.” They are right, he explained, but not in the way they mean. “Do they know how many perpetrators” of sins against others “have been dealt with?” No, he explained, because when actions are taken against individuals who have proven themselves untrustworthy, we do not trumpet our actions. Even as we take what steps are necessary to help protect others, we also seek to protect human dignity. And when crimes are asserted but not proven, we are guided not by a mob mentality but by the Torah. That, the Mashgiach declared, is not cowardice but courage.
…
November 30th, 2006 at 7:28 pm
JWB’s response:
>Do they know how many perpetrators” of sins against
>others “have been dealt with?”
Yes, I know percisely how few sexual predators have been properly dealt with and the direct consequences to the children, women and men who have been preyed on by these predators as a result of the cowardice, ignorance and ineptitude of my leaders and that it is why I will never be silenced and will never stop fighting.
To this day, I have never seen one sexual predator dealt with properly by my Orthodox community, not one. I have never seen my community provide the necessary resources or help, not to the survivors of this abuse and not to their families. It is shameful and unacceptable and I will continue to expose these situations until my leadership can no longer evade their obligations and responsibilities to Klal Yisroel. Where is the moral leadership?
We will continue to put pressure on our leaders and force them to address these issues publicly.
November 30th, 2006 at 9:43 pm
Rabbi Chill continues to support and believe MT!
Is there anybody out there that can talk to this “Akshen” (Stubborn) Rabbi?
November 30th, 2006 at 11:09 pm
We had four different Batei Dinim that found Mordy guilty,
The Bais Din of Harav Hager
The Bais Din of Harav Wosner
The Bais Din of Harav Zimmerman
The Bais Din Hakoveid of the RCA (MT agreed to this process)
and Rabbi Chill does not accept this?
Is Rabbi Chill Frum????
November 30th, 2006 at 11:50 pm
Mordy, Yakov and MD were all guests of honor at a major community simcha this past week in New York. All were given full Rabbinic kovos, in front of all of us, and with all the other Rabbis present acting as if they were gedolei hador. The whole shul was there, along with much of the NY crowd.
No one cares what happened. It is not that people do not believe the claims, or doubt them. The point many seem unwilling to accept is that in the torah community of today none of this matters at all. It is not being swept under the table, it is simply not relevant to the determination of who is a proper rabbi and moral leader in our community. Whether that is praise or condemnation of the community and its rabbis can only be left in the hands of Hakodosh Boruchu.
I truly do not believe that JWB and the KNH crowd ever imagined that the vast majority of the community would turn to them after all the exposes and say, on the assumption that the claims are all correct, we just don’t care. Now go away.
Meanwhile, Mordy has raised a fortune of money over the past few weeks for his defense. I would not be surprised to see him come out of this with a profit.
December 1st, 2006 at 6:15 am
Kish Mich is a kike, kikey kich who is a fucken disgrace to the Jewish race
December 1st, 2006 at 6:25 am
Jeffrey F. Cohen, Esq. is an egomaniac jerk
December 2nd, 2006 at 11:16 am
The Los Angeles archdiocese settled today with 45 complainants for just over $60mm, as a ballpark of what is at stake here financially. It seems to be in line with the other settlements in Boston and Chicago.
December 3rd, 2006 at 12:10 am
Tell Rabbi Chill to speak with Rabbi Cohen in Blueberry Hill shul. Rabbi Cohen will set him straight!
December 4th, 2006 at 3:28 am
Jeff: I only was commenting on the fact that most Rabbonim will keep their distance from MT and he will find little support outside his small circle.
JWB: I did not see or hear Rav Solomon’s remarks. But I will comment on what you posted. The issue is not that we lynch anyone but rather that the leadership investigate charges when they are brought to their attention. Should the rumors prove to be credable then they must act quickly and decisively. Failure to do so is a major violation of the Torah and rabbinical responsibility. If Rav Solomon only said have what you quoted he needs to seriously re-examine his position.
And, if the Agudah organization is yelling that the blogs are destroying their credibility they should think again. It is they own hypocrisy and/or inactions that are undermining their credibility. The last convention I attended many years ago, they spent more time patting themselves on the back than discussing issues. I have subsequently, avoided their conventions entirely.
December 4th, 2006 at 5:41 am
Reposting as SIW seems to have censored the original remark for inexplicable reason.
Mordy, Yakov and MD were at a major simcha last week in NYC, and were not only seated as honored rabbonim but greeted very warmly by ALL of the other rabbis. No exceptions at all. In front of the whole shul and the entire NY crowd.
In our present frum society no one cares whether Mordy is innocent or guilty, least of all the rabbis. This may be praise, this may be a damning remark, but it is clearly reality –and this presumes Mordy’s guilt on all claims. Imagine if in fact he is innocent, even of some of the shmutz that has been thrown his way.
I don’t believe that JWB and the others ever imagined that after all that has emerged and transpired, the community and the rabbis in particular truly would not care. I think this comes as a great shock to them and their internalized value system. Again, I say this neither in praise nor damnation, but this is the state of frumkeit and the community today.
Mordy raised a ton of money over the last few weeks in defense fund, mostly from people who believe he probably is guilty but should get off lightly, or were so appalled at the equally shmutzik bloggers that on this particular aspect they will give him a check. JWB and the others should do some real soul searching how they could have so alienated everyone that people are writing checks for Mordy’s defense while not doubting for a moment the facts. That kind of animosity and alienation of the community takes real effort.
I would not be surprised to see Mordy walk off from the blogger case with a profit in his defense fund.
December 4th, 2006 at 12:01 pm
Child sex advocate, the worst convicted Orthodox rabbinical child predator in the world and former Monsey, NY resident (at Ohr Somayach residence), Rabbi Alan J. “Shneur” Horowitz, MD is now on the run in violation of his probation and is now on the NY 100 most wanted list.
see Times Union article: ...
Rabbi Horowitz is not only a card carrying member of NAMBLA but has also been protected by the the Baltimore Rabbinical Protection Squad. In fact after his first convictions for child sex offences in Maryland in 1986, the Baltimore Rabbinical Protection Squad ensured that child predator Horowitz, instead of spending time in jail, was put on probation by arranging for him to live at the Ohr Somayach campus in Monsey, NY.
Do not attempt to apprehend this subject. If you have information about the whereabouts of this fugitive, immediately contact New York’s 100 Most Wanted tips line: 1-800-262-4321
Also see: ...
December 4th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
Monsey child sex advocate rabbi on run.
Child sex advocate, the worst convicted Orthodox rabbinical child predator in the world and former Monsey, NY resident (at Ohr Somayach residence), Rabbi Alan J. “Shneur” Horowitz, MD is now on the run in violation of his probation and is now on the NY 100 most wanted list.
see: ...
December 4th, 2006 at 12:33 pm
Has Susie Smear abandoned Team Tendler and embraced Rabbi Dratch and Jsafe?
In Susie’s latest December issue, she profiles efforts by Jsafe and Rabbi Dratch. With the exception of the following “dig” at Jsafe by an unnamed source, it seems Susie has put her support behind Jsafe. This would be a major defection if true.
“Hidden Agenda”
A rabbi in Passaic County who also listened to the JWI teleconference, said he was concerned about possible “hidden agendas.” The rabbi, who asked that his name be withheld,
…
He said he worried that Rabbi Dratch, who founded and directs JSafe, might have a “vested interest” in overstating the case for sexual abuse in the Orthodox
community. “I agree that one case is one too many, but if there is very little
sexual abuse—especially rabbinic sexual abuse—then perhaps his whole organization
is unnecessary,” said the rabbi.
December 4th, 2006 at 12:42 pm
The question also remains as to the identity of “The rabbi, who asked that his name be withheld” who tries to smear Rabbi Dratch’s alleged motives, a clear violation, in my humble opinion, of shmirat halashon. His comments seem very similar to the other comments on the record by Rabbi Steven Pruzansky in the same story. Are the two the same?
Rabbi Steven Pruzansky “The number of actual incidents is very small,
prosecutions even fewer, and we have to be careful not to paint with such a broad brush”.
Unnamed Rabbi “but if there is very little sexual abuse—especially rabbinic sexual abuse”.
December 4th, 2006 at 2:25 pm
Rabbi Pruzanky’s point is similar to the position of the Catholic Church. I think everyone everywhere acknowledges that the incidence of sexual harassment is small in comparison to the number of clergy people out there. That is not the point. The point is what has the religious establishment done to address such abuse if and when it is confronted with it? The criticism of both the Church and orthodox rabbinic Judaism has arisen because, in the past, when confronted with incidents of abuse, the response to them has been poor, nonexistent, or outright denial. This is wrong.
I had the privilege of speaking to a rabbi who called me to task for stating that the orthodox rabbinic community was not concerned about the allegations of misconduct revolving around Tendler. During the course of the discussion, it was mentioned that concerning children, there is an established program in the orthodox community for handling instances of abuse. However, if memory serves me, the rabbi did not mention whether one existed in the case of sexual harassment of women, and I suggested that a plan be put in place so it could be handled similarly as with complaints of child abuse.
The fact is that if there is a plan to address abuse of women or children, I think we would all agree that very few of us know about it. And this is wrong. Granted that if such programs are well publicized that they could lead to proverbial witch hunts; yet, internal controls could be established with degrees of privacy respected that would minimize such risks.
In the end, every pulpit rabbi and yeshiva principal should be equipped with the knowledge and training of being able to respond to complaints of abuse of whatever ilk with a degree of sensitivity and caring, and most importantly, to set in motion a preplanned method of investigation of such behavior and even reporting it to the proper authorities.
December 4th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
>During the course of the discussion, it was mentioned that
>concerning children, there is an established program in the
>orthodox community for handling instances of abuse.
What “established program” are you talking about?
1) Mashgiach of Beth Medrash Govoha, Lakewood, Rabbi Matisyahu Salomon’s: “sweeping things under the carpet.”
or
2) Ohel whose former President and current Treasurer, David Jacobson, is responsible for the desecration of 11,000+ Jewish children’s graves (removal of markers and tombstones) under his care and control at the Mokom Sholom cemetery.
December 5th, 2006 at 2:49 am
The Los Angeles archdiocese has settled for $60 million with 45 complainants, according to this morning’s news. That is in line with other settlements, and likely serves as a precedent benchmark within the frum community as well.
December 5th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
Some day
I am afraid
we will wake up
to discover
The Los Angeles archdiocese - is us.
What will we answer our innocent children, on that day:
We didn’t know, Rabbinical corruption, Yichus, Big money?
Someday I am afraid
we will hit our chests
with the greatest “AL CHAT”
For we have sinned greatly
to our young sons and daughters
and mostly to Ribbono Shell Olam
with our silence
And I hope to God,
that they will still believe in us
and be in a forgiving mood…
December 5th, 2006 at 8:15 pm
As long as we allow Mordechai Tendler to continue to give the morning Gemarrah class in Community Synogoge every morning to the 8 “sickos” that attend, we are all guilty.
If you have a friend or a relative that prays in CS, tell them to put pressure on the board to stop this atrocity.
The sickos are from New Hempstead … these “scumbags” drive every morning and listen to a fornicator teach our Holy Torah!
December 5th, 2006 at 8:27 pm
Instead of complaining all the time about MT, why not stop him once and for all by showing the community some piece of evidence you have against him. Spend some gelt and send CSM members some juicy evidence you seem to always clai you have but never produce. You have allowed this atrocity to go on, you’ve allowed KNH members to be sued personally, you’ve allowed the victims to continue to be shamed.
Shut up already or simply put something out there once and for all.
December 5th, 2006 at 8:57 pm
To Anonymous 8:15
The only thing that would satisfy CSM if they actually saw MT’s Dick!
The Fact that the RCA threw him out means nothing
The Fact that YU threw him out means nothing
The Fact that Harav Hager said that MT is Liar means nothing
The Fact that Harav Zimmerman said that MT is a liar means nothing
The Fact that Harav Wosner had a psak halacha with 30 Rabbis signing means nothing
The Fact that MT paid one victim $100,000.00 means nothing
The Fact that MT locked himself with a woman one on one on a daily Basis means nothing
The Fact that MT told a minor girl to lift her skirt so that he can examine her bruises means nothing
The fact That there are 13 women, some of whom dont even know each other, claiming that MT either screwed them or acted inappropriately means nothing
The Fact that we all heard a tape where MT seduces a married woman, not his wife means nothing
The Fact that his best buddies, Rabbi Blau, Rabbi Dratch, Rabbi Herring found him guilty means nothing
The Fact that his lawyer Brad quit and got the hell out of New Hempstead means nothing
The fact that his closest supporters … are now in his oppostion means nothing
The fact that all the Rabbis of KNH (Morell, Richter, Kerner,Goldsmith) left him means nothing
The Fact that MT will appear either in any Bais Din or Court of Law means nothing
If all this means nothing why would anythine else mean anything to these lunatics??
December 5th, 2006 at 11:07 pm
Where can one hear the audio of MT seducing that woman?
December 6th, 2006 at 7:38 am
sounds like somebody would have sophisticated enough ability to put the audio on an FTP site… unless they don’t really exist.
December 6th, 2006 at 7:42 am
I nominate “New Hempstead News” to put a link to the audio on his website… unless he’s chicken. He can’t be afraid of Rabbi Tendler, because Rabbi Tendler already heard the audio (was it 11 years ago or something?) and his wife rejects that they are real. (I am the same anonymous as 7:38 am).
December 6th, 2006 at 8:31 am
The audio tape that can be released is with MT and a woman who is now divorced. The tape was played several months ago for numerous members of KNH who wanted to hear them. This is also the same tape that was played for a few people of KNH nearly 10 years ago right around the time this woman was going through her separation. At that time MT convinced those that heard the tape that it was the woman who was crazy and that he was only trying to understand “what was going through her mind” and how she felt given her situation with her then husband.
This tape can be relaeased without any harm to the woman because in the tape she is heard rejecting MT’s advances. MT wanted to kiss her, she said no, Mt wanted to go into her house, she said no. But the tape proves how he tried to advance on her, even during the time he was counceling both her and her husband, playing each one against the other. And that as been the pattern of MT for a vey long time. This also occured when he first started KNH when a Board was being formed and he played one member against the other, which eventually led to the breakaway of KNH.
Release the tape on the blog and at least show some of the idiots in this world that you are not all talk.
December 6th, 2006 at 8:40 am
I cannot put the audio on my web site because the lady on the tape is clearly identified and she has prohibited me from playing it in public.
Mordy & Michelle know the tape exists and they actually heard it ….
they first claimed at the “Tendler Fest” that the tape disappeared, when it actually showed up, they then claimed that someone doctored it.
The Batei Dinim of Harav Hager and Harav Zimmerman actually possesed another more damaging tape, and they played this tape to MT and asked him if that was his voice on the tape.. he said that it was (we have the minutes of this meeting).
On that tape we clearly hear victim #1 speaking with MT and she describing in vivid detail all they did on the night and weeks before, you hear MT laughing and never stopping her and asking her “what are you talking about?”
MT told R’ Hager and R’ Zimmerman that this was his MO, never to deny anything that the lady said to him so that he would be able to “mekareiv” her, and that this was all a figmant of her imagination.
What he really was saying that he actually was “mekeriv” her. “mekeiriv” also means to get close to her physically.
It was because of this tape that MT actually payed this victim to the tune of close or over $100,000.00!
The tape that we actually posess is a tape where MT seduces the woman that he is talking to, and here he can never claim that this is his “MO”, because on this tape the woman actually says she doesn’t want to be with him! Michelle is therefore claiming that this tape was doctored.
If it was doctored, who doctored it? Not us! this tape is in existance for over 10 years!
What would be the motive to doctor any tape?
Until he sexually harassed all the women in town, nobody had any reason to make up any story about him.
Why are these women only harassing him and not anybody else?
Wasn’t he the only Rabbi in town that actually helped Agunois and women in general?
They should have picked on Rabbis that never helped any women in distress, and believe that there are plenty out there.
He claims that these women ar “off the wall.” If these women are “off the wall, why are they not chasing other men?
December 6th, 2006 at 9:11 am
Release the minutes in its original on the blog and have the Rabbis who were present attest that the document is authentic.
Please don’t claim that you will need it for future evidence in a lawsuit. The actual tape with GN and MT is the real proof you need.
December 6th, 2006 at 9:53 am
The Rabbis claim of authenticity was sufficiently implied in their letter claiming that MT is not fit to be a Rabbi, and people should not go to him for piskei halacha.
Unfortunately a meeting with Rabbis is still not a Beis Din (it was not the “Beis Din of Rav Wosner, rather Rabbi Wosner’s written opinion, it was not the Beis Din of Rabbi Zimmerman, rather Rabbi Zimmerman’s written opinion). Until a Beis Din is formed, nothing will happen.
Why can’t their be a Zabla process that has already been started be brought to completion? It is in Rabbi Tendler’s best interest as well to have this over.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:27 am
MT can’t go to Bais Din for the simple reason that the evidence that will be brought before the court will destroy him and his family. Why do you think that he hasn’t gone to date.
December 6th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
Where is the blogger who is going to reveal himself and bring in his lawyers, didn’t someone say last month that was going to happen?
December 6th, 2006 at 1:33 pm
I would like to understand why this woman didn’t destroy this recording if she is humiliated by its content. If she is humiliated by its content, why did she only make it available to 12 or 15 people?
It seems clear to me that she made the recording in order to trap MT (which is frankly one of the reasons that she wasn’t being seduced in this venue… she knew it was being recorded and had potential to be listened to by the masses).
If she is NOT humiliated by its content, why won’t she let New Hempstead News publish its content on his website, something he seems willing to do?
December 6th, 2006 at 6:23 pm
Logic 101.
1) The existence of the tapes is the only clear evidence she has of the truth, why would she destroy it and give the other side the ability to lie about it?
2) >why did she only make it available to 12 or 15 people
To protect others she made it available to community leaders, is that difficult to understand? I believe if my memory is not failing that MT has told women in the past to make tapes of their abuse (spousal abuse cases) since otherwise they won’t be believed (I believe it was reported in a Forward article several years back, check previous related threads), so I am not surprised she had the sense to follow unusually good advice in this case from a particularly poor source.
3) The proper place for all evidence to be entered is a court of law. No one will be able to lie or spin without consequences.
December 6th, 2006 at 6:25 pm
I have no problem understanding women making recordings of their relationships with men, especially in this case where allegedly a married clergyman is involved and who is from one of the most prestigious families in all of Jewish orthodoxy. Motives can include substantiating their claims that they were not the pursuers in the event it comes down to that, or if they are so romantically involved that they might wish to convince the clergyman’s wife that the marriage is over and to let the clergyman go.
The motivation is not important and given the number of complainants against Tendler, a defense of entrapment is to me hardly credible.
The fact is that any moron knows that if you wish to avoid sin, you avoid the circumstances that bring it about. If you are prone to excessive drinking, refrain from going to bars and keeping liquor in the house; the same with cigarettes. And if one is tempted by women, get married [no, I am kidding], or avoid being in compromising situations with women. There are plenty of orthodox Jews, and non orthodox Jews, and observant gentiles and non observant gentiles that aren’t skirt chasers even if they have found themselves in very tempting circumstances.
So I don’t buy that Tendler could have been trapped; well, maybe once…but the atmosphere surrounding Tendler is comprised of more than one allegation from one woman.
The chutzpah is not with any of the women.
But, on another point with the Bais Din process. Since Tendler initiated it, shouldn’t the rabbinic community obligate him to go through with it, or be sanctioned in some way. He publicized his dispute with the RCA, went to Jerusalem to get a court ordered Bais Din, and presumably won. So, even though Tendler may have reason not to go, how come there is no sanction from the Jerusalem Bais Din forcing him at this point to go, or sanctioning him for wasting everyone’s time and money?
Truth is, Tendler looks oh so foolish, and with the mind numbing number of lawsuits in both the secular and religious forums he has either brought or been the focus of, and his losses in some and procrastinations in others, it is very difficult, in my opinion, to believe his blanket claims of denial. If Tendler wants to remove all doubt, then he should go to Bais Din against the Rabbinical Council of America. And he should do it NOW, not in a year or two years. NOW!
December 6th, 2006 at 11:35 pm
Unfortunately Jeff the world we live in is not so black and white. You weren’t born into the family of the absolute gadol hador so youhave no idea what pressure MT had even as a youngster in that family. Nor do you have any idea what its like to be overwhelmed by men and women flocking to you to unload their problems. I don’t either. Only MT knows what that was like. In a town devoid of leadership so many years ago, you would be guilty of rewriting history were you to suggest that MT was not a leader who went out of his way to be everything to everybody.
It is also not far from the truth when bloggers come on here and describe the women involved in less than glowing terms. They were not the shining examples of humanity some make them out to be. Not every crazy act they performed can be attributed to what tendler was or wasn’t doing to them.
The truth is that there is truth on both sides here, and there are lies on both sides. tendler does not have a monopoly on the guilt here.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:51 am
Kish Mich: You consistantly bring up the guilt of the women who participated in MT recreational activity. This is inappropriate and has little bearing on the immoral behaviour of MT. I guess you think all the criminals should be released from jail because they really are the victims of poverty and poor upbring. They are in jail to protect society from their criminal behaviour.
He provided counseling to many in areas where he was totally unqualified. Countless conversations with him about this was disregarded. His modus of operation was to act as a Tzaddik to manipulate people. Seems that you were taken in by this magic act.
It was MT that prayed [preyed] upon the women. In fact, some Married Orthodox women were his victims who chose to remain anonymous. Their silent suffering is only known in detail to their therapists. So crazy Balot Teshuvot were not the only targets.
We are not judging MT or his upbringing that we’ll leave to HaShem. He clearly should no longer be allowed to function as a Rabbi or Dayan. Those who continue to feed his ego are mistaken as to the limitations and boundries of Hakorat HaTov to which they feel they Owe him.
Anonymous Says: Sorry to disappoint but we have documents from a Bais Din signed by Dayanim. Regardless, the Halacha allows us to terminate his position without Bais Din. Public and private comments by his relatives are clearly in violation of the halachic process. But they think that they are the Halacha.
Jeff: MT and Bais Dins are both a waste of time. The courts have no authority to punish and zero resources to investigate. There is no way to remove the doubt that will exist in the mind of some. The poor record of the Bais Dins in general rivals MT reprehensible actions. So any finding will be disregarded by those who do not wish to believe.
Many do not want to know the truth. Perhaps that is why Chazal added to the prayers to “give Truth to Jacob (the Jewish people)”.
It is best to watch this exploded nova fade away and hope it is not a black hole sucking in more victims.
December 7th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
Pollack, its not their guilt, it is their judgment and their behavior. One only needs to look at recent revelations of rabbinic sexual abuse in New York City and elsewhere. The women involved in the two most recent cases went public, admitted to their acts, and are pursuing the men they accuse. That is what takes real guts. Not hiding. Not acting like a raving lunatic.
Admit it, MT preyed on lunatics. They fit the profile. They had little credibility to begin with. He was smart enough to know that if the s**t hit the fan, these women would not be believed. And he was right. His mistake wasn’t in who he chose, it was that he chose too many.
Sorry, but AM and GN both knew he was married. They chose to sleep with a married man, period. The fact that he’s a rabbi absolves them? They didn’t cheat on Michelle as much as he did? Maybe in fantasy land but not here in the real world. You are wrong to place all the blame on MT, period. but then again, you’re a burn out so I don’t hold it against you.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Kish mich: No one is trying to make this out to be a fight for women’s rights per se, unless it is to prevent them from being prey to deceit and unwelcomed conduct. But, David points out, and I think you will concede this point, that Tendler should not be a pulpit rabbi. Until he takes the bull by the horns and immediately attempts to clear his name, and, if possible, succeeds, he is damaged goods. With the cloud of controversy and scandal upon him, Tendler could be a president of the U.S., but he cannot act as a spiritual guide. That is what is so farcical about his supporters’ attempts, including, Morris Esformes to put him back as the rabbi of KNH.
December 7th, 2006 at 2:58 pm
Hi, Kishy!
What is this need to vilify the women?
- Tendler is the topic because of his RABBINICAL POSITION.
- His roots are added gravy. “V’Hayu Einecha Root At Morey-cha”
We look up to our Rabbonim for leadership and advice.
- This is a horrible case of abuse of trust and betrayal because it
murders the victims Neshoma and the core believe in God.
As to how difficult it must be to come from this family-tree and
disseminate advice and wisdom:
- Poor, poor Tendlerites. I ‘really’ feel for them. They did not seemed
to mind the Kovod all these years. With Kovd comes responsibility
and accountability.
- Any mental health professional knows: If you feel burnt-out seek
supervision or hang up your shingle
December 7th, 2006 at 3:20 pm
Jeffrey f. Cohen:
“Tendler should not be a pulpit rabbi…With the cloud of controversy and scandal upon him, Tendler could be a president of the U.S.,”
NOT ONLY USA President …ISRAEL TOO !
December 7th, 2006 at 4:34 pm
Where is the anonymous blogger who is going to reveal himself and come at Tendler with a pack of lawyers?? It is December 7th today, anything happening with that? Anynomous Says:
November 20th, 2006 at 8:26 am
One of the Bloggers is going to reveal himself soon, then wait for Tendler’s defamaion suit against him, so that all of the proof can finally come out. I understand that he has three lawyers waiting to take Tendler down!
December 7th, 2006 at 5:42 pm
>then wait for Tendler’s defamaion suit
Dude, read our court filings. I’ve reviewed all court documents. In regard to me, there is not even one single actual example of a defamatory statement by me about Tendler, not one. He has not pointed to one example of such, no one. Anonymous or not, there’s no way to sue me. None at all. That ship has long since sailed.
How many times do I have to defeat him? How much of the public court system’s time is he going to waste?
December 7th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
I hear that now that the TRO was lifted and the lawsuit against KNH was dismissed thay will be proceeding immediately to having their Rabbinic interviews. Any idea who thier future Rabbinic candidates may be ??
December 7th, 2006 at 8:20 pm
Rabbi Yehuda Kolko Arrested Tonight
From Vicki Polin at The Awareness Center, Inc.
I was told by an extremely reliable source that Rabbi Yehuda Kolko has been arrested today. More information to follow.
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December 9th, 2006 at 7:08 pm
Zithead, the issue is not vilifying the women, it is taking a realistic approach to what they did. Any woman that knowingly sleeps with a married man is a woman with inferior morals, poor judgment or both. Such a woman may be victimized, sure, but such character is not that of which a hero is made. Far from it.
And Jeff, you are certainly correct. I do not believe that tendler can only be described in contrast to the women involved. His actions speak for themselves. We differ in that I do not believe there is a human being alive, tendler included, who believes he will be rabbi of KNH ever again. No one believes that, lawsuits pending or not.
December 9th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
And Kish, you think that Jeff thinks that R. Tendler will be Rabbi f KNH ever again??
December 9th, 2006 at 9:43 pm
Hey Kishy,
I don’t think we are that far in our opinions anymore.
Allow me to alter your statement a bit:
“The issue is not vilifying the women, it is taking a realistic approach to what they did. Anyone that knowingly sleeps with a married man/or woman is a person with inferior morals, poor judgment or both. Such a person may be victimized, sure, but such character is not that of which a hero is made. Far from it.”
YOU ARE RIGHT! This rule includes Tendler, too. He was the professional and that’s why he lost his position.
A Goot Voch to all!
December 10th, 2006 at 1:57 am
What if you knowingly sleep with a married woman and that woman is YOUR WiFE? Is that wrong? ARe there any sexual acts between a man and a wife that are wrong?
December 10th, 2006 at 8:33 am
Anonymous 157, any sexual act that created you is obscene and should have been avoided at all costs.
December 10th, 2006 at 2:26 pm
The women taped Tendler because he publicized that they should do so in such cases as otherwise they might not be believed. EVERY woman who dealt with Tendler was aware of this. Read Tendler’s own words:
Short Excerpt:
A SHATTERED PEACE
FOR ORTHODOX JEWISH WOMEN, LEAVING AN ABUSIVE HUSBAND CAN BE AS HARD AS STAYING
by RUTH PADAWER, Staff Writer; The Record
The Record (New Jersey)
February 25, 1996
…
With a grant from the local Department of Social Services, the shelter hired an Orthodox social worker, koshered a shelter kitchen, added an Orthodox “loop” to their hot line, and established contacts with Rabbi Mordecai Tendler, an Orthodox rabbi who calls for egalitarianism in marriage.
It is to Tendler that Roz Gelman takes many of her clients, so he may hear each woman’s plight and decide whether to grant her access to the secular world. Sometimes, the women bring secretly made tapes of their husbands’s ranting, afraid the rabbi will not believe them without it. Sometimes when Tendler listens to them, he weeps.
“I grant permission almost pro-forma, but I receive a lot of flak for that,” Tendler said. “In every case, I get a phone call from a rabbi in Monsey, Brooklyn, wherever, arguing that I shouldn’t be so quick to believe the woman … until I’ve hired a private detective and talked to the husband to see if she’s telling the truth.”
…
December 10th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
To JWB:
You are to be congratulated for finding and printing the excerpt from the Jersey Record. The quote from Tendler stands in stark contrast to his current position and that of his wife with regard to one tape that I heard and that purportedly Tendler and his wife had claimed had been ‘doctored.’ Hindsight is twenty-twenty, but I cringe at the thought that according to The Record, Tendler had access to such vulnerable women.
December 10th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
It is not just in our community, look at what is happening in Israel now. Unfortunately, when I read about it elsewhere, I can see just what we look like from the outside, and how we permitted ourselves to be swept away in MT. It really was communal madness, whether it ended in sexual scandal or some other calamity. And let’s be honest, it really was because we are all new to orthodoxy. This simply could not happen elsewhere because no one else would give their Rabbi such leeway. That waasn’t Judaism, that was cultism we were all practicing. Painful but truth.
Haaretz English Edition ...
12/10/2006
A not-so-saintly rabbi in Netivot
By Tamar Rotem
It was a normal evening in early November. In Netivot, the town of memorial celebrations for saintly rabbis, quiet is something tangible - actually rare. Perhaps this was the reason why there was something disturbing about the quiet that prevailed outside. The little ones were already lying in bed in their pajamas when suspicious shadows were seen in the garden outside S.’s kitchen. Looking through the window, she made out three figures, and she felt something bad was about to happen. She knew these were the thugs of Rabbi Yoram Aberjil. At that very moment, her husband, A., was at the police station, filing a complaint of attempted assault by people he identified as the rabbi’s followers. She was alone with her small children. “I knew that the outer door of the kitchen was not locked. That’s how it is in Netivot. My whole body trembled.”
S. pushed the stove against the door and ran to the “safe” room (reinforced against rocket attacks). She frantically emptied the wall closet and put the children into it. Meanwhile, the thugs entered the building. They hammered wildly at the door and shouted over and over for her to open it. A neighbor yelled from above: “What do you want here?” They said: “We’ve come to kill her.”
“I took a carving knife and held it ready. The children started crying. I told them: ‘Quiet. If you cry, it will be the end of us.’ I held my hand over the mouth of the youngest child. One of the children said: ‘Mommy, it’s like in the Holocaust.’” The intruders continued to bang on the door and shout. Someone called the police, and when they heard the sirens, they ran off. “That night we packed our bags and fled,” she related.
Until a few months ago, Rabbi Aberjil was the rabbi of S. and her husband. The two are in their late 20s, and, like all the members of the community, are newly religious. Over the last year, they decided to move away from the crowded community. They found an apartment outside of the area in which the community is concentrated, and moved the children to schools not identified with Rabbi Aberjil.
In the second week of September, S. relates, the telephone rang, and it was Rabbi Aberjil on the line. “I want you to know that your children are precious to me,” he said. “I won’t let anyone pick the fruit I planted. The next conversation will be really painful. I will follow you. I have ways of making you disappear in a hit-and-run accident. I will curse your children. I’m telling you, I have powers. Your children will be orphans.”
At the end of October, they asked for help from a series of rabbis, among them the town’s chief rabbi, Rabbi Pinhas Cohen. They unwittingly opened a Pandora’s box. Other families of yeshiva students also came to Rabbi Cohen and told of threats made by Rabbi Aberjil. As a result of conversations with women, two files of evidence were compiled about what could be regarded as sexual harassment. Rabbi Cohen passed the complaints on to Rabbi Ovadia Yosef (the country’s leading Sephardic rabbi) and to the Chief Rabbinate. Rabbi Yosef gave instructions to establish a special religious court to examine the complaints.
This is not the first time Rabbi Aberjil has found himself in trouble. Some 10 years ago, there was another wave of complaints by women against him, which were examined by a religious court. He reacted strongly against the current accusations. “The town was seething. People I know who merely spoke with the women who complained were threatened with murder,” said one rabbinic source in the town. Rabbi Cohen received threats by phone. His car and that of his wife were vandalized, and he lodged a complaint with the police. Other complainants were ostracized and expelled from Aberjil’s study center, as was anyone who was in contact with them. Two of the complainants were beaten up. As a result of the various incidents, the young men and their wives lodged complaints with the police.
In early November, Rabbi Aberjil gave a speech that could be described as incitement to murder. It was circulated on ultra-Orthodox Web sites: “Whoever mentions my name, create a riot; tell him ’shut up, you sinner’ … If you have a prayer book, throw it at him; if you have a shoe, throw it at him; if you have a stone, throw it at him … Take a stick and beat him until the man has to get to Emergency … anyone who harms us. Because if he dies, nothing will happen; he died of wickedness.”
According to the complainants and rabbinic sources who supported them, the police’s handling of the matter was inadequate. They were abandoned by the rabbis, and this week the special rabbinic court decided to close the case for lack of evidence.
Rabbi Aberjil is an enigmatic character. He developed a kind of new stream in Judaism: Sephardic Hassidism, which draws from both the Chabad (Lubavitch) and Bratslav Hassidic traditions. In a town of “courts” and holy men, he has been able to create a unique image, and draw in the newly religious with magical cords. Both his admirers and his enemies agree that he is a deeply knowledgeable scholar. In his youth, he learned at an Ashkenazi ultra-Orthodox (but not hassidic) yeshiva. His style is that of a preacher, spiced with stories of miracles and frightening tales. A rabbinic source in the town explained that it is easy to turn the newly religious into followers: “They revere him. He says he has a connection to G-d, and the newly religious are excited by that. It would not make an impression on those who grew up ultra-Orthodox.”
Aberjil gathered strength in Netivot by collecting these scattered souls under his authority. Aside from his community in Netivot, he has been able to attract other groups, among them businessmen who come to consult him. “He knows how to appeal to them. He keeps talking about negating oneself. It’s like brainwashing, and they become dependent on him, like robots,” said one of the female complainants. Some 300 men learn at the study center in Netivot, but about one third of them do not define themselves as his followers. The real disciples and their wives are a separate group. They get up early on Shabbat to pray with the rabbi, and to take part in his study session. On the eve of Shabbat, the women, dressed in white, walk considerable distances from their homes, wheeling strollers, in order to receive a blessing. “The women admire him,” said the wife of one of the yeshiva students. “They behave like lovers.” Students tell of long counseling conversations Rabbi Aberjil has with their wives. According to the complaints, these talks sometimes become intimate, and slip into the realm of sexual harassment.
“Yoram Aberjil presumes to be a marriage counselor,” says journalist Yossi Bar-Moha, who has published investigations into the courts of kabbalists. “Neighborhood rabbis tell me that he destroys families. To this man he says, ‘Your wife is no good,’ to that woman he says, ‘Don’t marry him.’”
Many students relate that Rabbi Aberjil expresses himself as if he is blessed with supernatural powers. His powers captivated settlers, many of whom came to consult with him before the withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. One of them, from the settlement of Morag, told Haaretz that he bought a house in the settlement one month before the evacuation, because of the advice and blessing of Rabbi Aberjil.
Another young man related that Aberjil despises other rabbis, with the exception of Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, and forbids his followers from listening to “Radio Hakodesh,” the pirate station of the newly religious. “Don’t believe any rabbi,” he likes to say. “I alone have holiness. I alone am G-d-fearing.”
According to rabbinic sources who supported the complainants, Aberjil threatened that he would shut down his institutions if he got as much as a reprimand. “The rabbis and the religious court judges have relationships of mutual loyalty, and they had no intention of seriously investigating the matter,” said the source. There was an intervention by the chairman of the Shas party, MK Eli Yishai, who treats the rabbi - regarded as an exceptional vote-getter in the south - with kid-gloves. Last week, the complaints and the cassette recordings of the alleged incitement were handed over to Attorney General Menachem Mazuz.
“We innocently believed that we would find a cleaner life in the ultra-Orthodox community,” said one of the female complainants. “For us this is a very strong crisis of faith. We expected that at least the chief rabbis would see the truth, but we were bitterly disappointed.”
Rabbi Aberjil’s secretary, Erez Reuven, said in response that no force had been used against any of the families. “Not one of us lifted a hand against them. The families should not have left in the first place, and of course they can come back to the town.” Referring to the study session whose contents included incitement to murder, he said: “The rabbi educates toward ‘ahavat Yisrael,’ love of the nation; and by the end of the session he explained that he was against violence.”
The Negev sub-district of the police gave this response: “The complaints were dealt with efficiently and sensitively. Proof of this can be found in the calm that is being preserved. The complaint against the rabbi regarding incitement to violence was lodged at the Netivot police station. Once testimonies have been collected, the cassette and the material from the investigation will be given to the attorney general, who is the person authorized to determine whether it is a matter of incitement, and whether to instruct the police to launch a [full] investigation.”
December 11th, 2006 at 12:27 am
New Hesptead news, I have a solution for you- edit the tape! Play it into your computer using a program like Adobe audition, and delete every line said by the woman or every time he says her name. (don’t mask the voice- that can always be undone by computer sleuths).What will be left with is a tape of nothing but the man’s voice, and we can judge for ourselves. Publicity without shaming the woman.
December 11th, 2006 at 10:45 am
What would the point be?
They would claim it was edited.
Would it convince any of the hardcore koolaid drinkers?
The proper place to present all the evidence is in a court of law.
Spend your time more wisely “no Lawyer but”. Demand that Team Tendler stop the delays and proceed to court. Demand Team Tendler show up to bais din.
December 11th, 2006 at 10:45 am
New Hempstead News is a big coward, he won’t do it.
December 11th, 2006 at 10:47 am
O.J. Simpson also went to court.
December 11th, 2006 at 11:16 am
>New Hempstead News is a big coward, he won’t do it.
>O.J. Simpson also went to court.
Well “anonymous” NHN, myself and the other bloggers had our legal team show up in court. We filed all necessary Motions and were prepared to respond to and fight Tendler’s absurd court filings. Tendler dropped his court action and fled.
Who’s the coward?
December 11th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
Tendler still doesn’t know who the anonymous bloggers are, you don’t reveal to him who you are. and neither does NHN. Why not, if you aren’t cowards.
December 11th, 2006 at 6:18 pm
Dude, there is a price on my head that was advertised in the pro-Tendler Jewish Voice and Opinion put in by a Rabbi who considers himself a student of Tendler’s father. Why would I give him my name? So I can appear before former Federal inmate Rabbi Gershon Tennenbaum’s bais din like KNH already has? Have absurd million dollar lawsuits filed by koolaid followers?
Tendler claimed I did something wrong (although he never gave a specific example) in what I blogged. He had his opportunity to pursue that in court and did not. He ran.
Yet you call me the coward?
Dude, read the materials we filed in court.
Even Moshe Rabbeinu when he acted to save a fellow Jew being beaten to death by an egyptian first looked to the right and then to the left. Only when he was confident he could at anonymously did he do so.
Was he a coward?
This isn’t about the size of one’s genitals, this is about protecting the vulnerable in our community. I’m sorry you can’t comprehend that.
December 11th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
>Tendler still doesn’t know who the anonymous bloggers are,
>you don’t reveal to him who you are. and neither does NHN.
>Why not, if you aren’t cowards.
And perhaps Team Tendler will reveal who set up the Blaufact website or the various JWB2 blogs. Or perhaps the anonymous talmedai Tendler who signed a public letter in support will reveal their names? Of course all those supporters have seemed to vanish.
December 11th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
Or perhaps Team Tendler will reveal all the names of Susie Smears’ pro-Tendler anonymous sources on her stories? Or how about the anonymous names of the Jewish Press editorial board?
December 11th, 2006 at 6:37 pm
>Tendler still doesn’t know who the anonymous bloggers are,
>you don’t reveal to him who you are.
I told you it will cost at least $1 million dollars to do so. Tendler ran after $50k. Tough luck.
December 11th, 2006 at 6:44 pm
>Tendler still doesn’t know who the anonymous
>bloggers are, you don’t reveal to him who you
>are. and neither does NHN. Why not, if you aren’t cowards.
Dude, has he bothered to show up to court? To bais din?
Who’s the coward?
December 12th, 2006 at 10:54 am
JWB, the guy who set up Blaufacts was most probably Tzvi Kilstein, who lives in Florida and is a woman-hater and a violent maniac - he has always been a supporter of the sicko Tendlers.
December 12th, 2006 at 6:16 pm
December 12, 2006
21 Kislev, 5767
Dear Members and Friends:
Following in our commitment in keeping everyone up to date regarding significant Shul milestones and events, I am very pleased to inform you that, as a result of decision of the Court to remove the temporary restraining order prohibiting us from hiring a Rabbi, the Board of Directors and Trustees unanimously decided that it was in the best interests of the Shul to hire a Rav at this time.
On behalf of the Board of Directors and Trustees of Kehillat New Hempstead, I am honored to inform you that Rabbi Yehoshua Kohl has agreed to serve as our Rav. As many of you already know, Rabbi Kohl has been with us for some time, delivering drashas, giving shiurim and assisitng in various Shul matters and questions. Rabbi Kohl was an integral part of this past Yom Kippur and Succos davening, and I received an overwhelmingly positive response to his involvement with the Shul from many members as well as our guests. He is a unique asset, and fills a void which we have endured long enough.
It is important to realize that retaining Rabbi Kohl is not meant to short circuit the work of our Rabbinic Search Committee. The Committee has worked tirelessly to identify well qualified candidates for the position of Rabbi of Kehillat New Hempstead, and I would like to take this opportunity to thank them for all of their efforts in this matter. Shortly, we will be moving to the next phase of the Rabbinic Search Committee’s work, known as the Proba process, whereby each candidate will be invited to spend a Shabbos with us, giving Shiurim, delivering Drashas, and to meet with members in an informal setting at an Oneg Shabbos on Friday night. The process will conclude on Motzei Shabbos with a members question and answer forum. This affords us the opportunity to meet the candidates and their families. However, not knowing the ultimate results of this process and the possibility that the search committee may need to continue its work after the “proba” process, we felt it important and prudent for us to hire someone to lead and direct the Shul now.
The work of the Rabbinic Search Committee is continuing, and should Rabbi Kohl wish to be the Rav of KNH in the future, he will go through the same process as every other candidate, including interviews and a “proba”. Rabbi Kohl is fully aware of this and felt it most appropriate, completely agreeing with the process.
Rabbi Kohl shares our unswerving commitment to Yiras Shamayim, Limud Torah, Gemilus Chesed and Ahavas Yisroel, and we are confident that you join us in wishing Rabbi Kohl much success and brocha, as we, together with Rabbi Kohl, look forward to continuing in rebuilding and strengthening our Shul and Community.
In the next few days members will be receiving “A Notice of Special Meeting of the Membership of KNH” to be held on Sunday, December 24, 2006 at 7:15pm in the Shul. The purpose of the meeting will be to fully discuss the above issue as well as other important matters pertaining to the Shul’s future.
As always, if you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact me via email at dadsy5 @ yahoo.com or at home at 845-354-0911.
Very truly yours,
Fred Brinn
President
December 12th, 2006 at 11:28 pm
anonymous of December 11th, 2006 at 5:52 pm says: “Tendler still doesn’t know who the anonymous bloggers are, you don’t reveal to him who you are. and neither does NHN. Why not, if you aren’t cowards”.
And you are revealing who you are? Mrs. anonymous blogger who is defending Tendler, one of his zombies, KNH koolaid maidens. Cowardly holding on to Tendlers lies protesting, my poor Rabbi Tendler victim, he doesn’t even know who is accusing him? Lets get it straight folks, Tendler is the victimizer and knows who he predicated on. Tendler hasn’t faced any one he victimized delaying court; halting RCA procedures & non-compliance; canceling his other legal suits. The only approach Tendler takes is threatening, slurping fictitious immaterial claims and denying all. Lets get it straight folks, the truth is revealed, the proof is revealed, the witnesses are reveled; and verification and proclamations are reveal by many Rabbis and RCA Judgment. And God should say what else to you….that he isn’t Santa clause either.
December 12th, 2006 at 11:56 pm
1. jeffrey f. cohen, esq. Says: December 6th, 2006 at 6:25 pm I have no problem understanding women making recordings of their relationships…in this case.
Jeffrey Cohen where do you come off? You talk like you know but you speak disgracefully. There is no relationship in this case. Tendler abused these women.
2.…where allegedly a married clergyman…..He’s married nothing alleged.
3. ”Motives can include …. if they are so romantically involved that they might wish to convince the clergyman’s wife that the marriage is over and to let the clergyman go.” This is not the case here at all-get out of your fantasy dizzy head. Any recordings were made by women in distress. Distress and desperation. I know you don’t understand that since you keep vocalizing the pompous lawyer of what type of lawyer are you? These women suffered from a Rabbi who you and your Kehillat of New Hempstead phrased, supported and participated in hurting the very women Tendler had dominion over.
December 13th, 2006 at 12:02 am
Jeffery Cohn is going to be owning because his lack of goodness is always showing
December 13th, 2006 at 8:17 am
Anonymous 11:56
Shut the hell up!
You screwed Tendler, knowing that he was a married man!
December 13th, 2006 at 9:24 am
Me, you don’t know me; wouldn’t be possible to screw Tendler; but screw you and him you shut up.
You couldn’t get enough of your “Rav Tendler”. You let him seduce and prey on all these women while spreading rumors about anyone who said anything bad about him. KNH moral choice was to choose Tendler over believing the women, they made a moral choice to harass women Tendler was preying on. Really moral that you did that and continue to slander them here on canonist. You are sick
December 13th, 2006 at 10:17 am
KNH HIRED A RAV !!!!!!!!
MAZEL TOV
December 12, 2006
21 Kislev, 5767
Dear Members and Friends:
Following in our commitment in keeping everyone up to date regarding significant Shul milestones and events, I am very pleased to inform you that, as a result of decision of the Court to remove the temporary restraining order prohibiting us from hiring a Rabbi, the Board of Directors and Trustees unanimously decided that it was in the best interests of the Shul to hire a Rav at this time.
On behalf of the Board of Directors and Trustees of Kehillat New Hempstead, I am honored to inform you that Rabbi Yehoshua Kohl has agreed to serve as our Rav. As many of you already know, Rabbi Kohl has been with us for some time, delivering drashas, giving shiurim and assisitng in various Shul matters and questions. Rabbi Kohl was an integral part of this past Yom Kippur and Succos davening, and I received an overwhelmingly positive response to his involvement with the Shul from many members as well as our guests. He is a unique asset, and fills a void which we have endured long enough.
It is important to realize that retaining Rabbi Kohl is not meant to short circuit the work of our Rabbinic Search Committee. The Committee has worked tirelessly to identify well qualified candidates for the position of Rabbi of Kehillat New Hempstead, and I would like to take this opportunity to thank them for all of their efforts in this matter. Shortly, we will be moving to the next phase of the Rabbinic Search Committee’s work, known as the Proba process, whereby each candidate will be invited to spend a Shabbos with us, giving Shiurim, delivering Drashas, and to meet with members in an informal setting at an Oneg Shabbos on Friday night. The process will conclude on Motzei Shabbos with a members question and answer forum. This affords us the opportunity to meet the candidates and their families. However, not knowing the ultimate results of this process and the possibility that the search committee may need to continue its work after the “proba” process, we felt it important and prudent for us to hire someone to lead and direct the Shul now.
The work of the Rabbinic Search Committee is continuing, and should Rabbi Kohl wish to be the Rav of KNH in the future, he will go through the same process as every other candidate, including interviews and a “proba”. Rabbi Kohl is fully aware of this and felt it most appropriate, completely agreeing with the process.
Rabbi Kohl shares our unswerving commitment to Yiras Shamayim, Limud Torah, Gemilus Chesed and Ahavas Yisroel, and we are confident that you join us in wishing Rabbi Kohl much success and brocha, as we, together with Rabbi Kohl, look forward to continuing in rebuilding and strengthening our Shul and Community.
In the next few days members will be receiving “A Notice of Special Meeting of the Membership of KNH” to be held on Sunday, December 24, 2006 at 7:15pm in the Shul. The purpose of the meeting will be to fully discuss the above issue as well as other important matters pertaining to the Shul’s future.
As always, if you have any questions or concerns please feel free to contact me.
Very truly yours,
Fred Brinn
President
December 13th, 2006 at 12:19 pm
To Anonymous 9:24
You have no one to blame but yourself …. you are the one that put on a blond wig went into a locked room with Mordechai the pervert, you got undressed and you screwed him, knowing that he was a married man with children and grandchildren!
Don’t come after the fact and blame KNH ….
Blame your “hungary Hole” between your legs!
You will probably get alot of money from your lover, knowing that he already gave another lover $100,000.00 …. and we in KNH will be left holding the bag
Shut up and get the hell out of town!
December 13th, 2006 at 1:51 pm
Anon 9:24
You are one sick puppy! …
You think that we in KNH knew that you were doing our Rabbi and we didn’t stop him.
Well! You know very well that we tried in vain to keep you away from him, but you kept coming back for more.. You were sneeking around his house and the shul to meet him ..
We did everythinhg in our power to keep you guys apart. But you were determined to see and screw him anyway.. Dont blame us but blame (as anonymous 12:19 put so beautifull) “your “hungary hole.”
See you in court, Baby!
December 13th, 2006 at 2:37 pm
Tendler is winning! Look how we turn on each other and the vulgarity!
This is a Shanda. We are loosing our credibility by stooping to his level.
Come on, stop going at each others throat.
As for the Ladies - the ones who slept with Tendler,
You have nothing to be so proud of. We supported you because he betrayed his professional responsibilities. Please don’t take this as a vote for you. A little Busha, is due.
December 13th, 2006 at 6:09 pm
I hope Rabbi Kohl isn’t reading this blog. If he does, he’ll resign before he starts!!!
December 13th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
Anon 9:24. Can you describe some of the kinky sex practices of Tendler?
December 14th, 2006 at 8:52 am
what a surprise that you attack this victim and Tendlers’ survivors! You ‘re a sick loony, paranoid to think that anything said that supports them and against you and KNH is her or them posting here. Garbage mouth & you excuse your cocky because you think you are responding to her? Fantasizer. How much money did your “Rav” Tendler give on behalf of the case against you for embezzlement?
What guts you have attacking an anonymous, and as if her. Smart too attacking a woman who doesn’t see what you write. Like terrorists whose battleground is all, whose warzone creeps on the innocent, KNH cyberspace used for Tendlers victim. Your both the same. Wrong, it ain’t her posting here. KNH lockerroomclub go stick to Brusys home; or are you not invited? Only have internet support, no real buddies? Hey World this is the true smutty minds of KNH and their attack on Tendlers victims. Kehillat News Hempsteads’ level of civilization, education, Torah, and awareness equals to inmates on the Howard Stern show. KNH bullied posted to do what? have themselves only posting here. Not a synagogue I want to join. And they respond to air thinking its her. Air minds crap-oo. Too bad; get a life. KNH madness imagination that victims are here to talk to them. They know KNH is dirt. Plaintiff has lawyer suing KNH who talks for her. your assassinating scummy blog isn’t her level.. KNH are creepos have always been so. The biggest fools around who believe anything they declare is god sent. Not surprising.
December 14th, 2006 at 10:48 am
AM you must stop blogging on this site, since you are only damaging your fine reputation
December 14th, 2006 at 12:52 pm
There. Italics should be off now.
December 14th, 2006 at 12:57 pm
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December 17th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
I’ve been able to get multiple sources to confirm that Rav Dovid and Reuven Feinstein were aware of the sexual abuse allegations against Rabbi Joel “Yehuda” Kolko and knew the allegations were credible. They knew for decades.
And what did they do?
Nothing.
That’s right our children were abused in our camps and schools because these moral pygmies and so many others were silent and did nothing.
Weep oh Israel, for we live in a generation without leadership.
December 17th, 2006 at 5:48 pm
And we must weep if we believe allegations mad against the Gedolai Yisreal from an anoymous blogger. Just because he (or she) says I’ve been able - and we have no clue which cave this person is living in, we spread loshon hora. That’s to weep about
December 17th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
Seems that Tendler’s minyon keeps losing more and more people. I also heard that he calls his “Shul ” or Shabbos meetings ( dare I call it a minyon) , Kehillat New Hempstead. Seems he’s really in love with that name.
Anyone see that the real KNH no longer has any lettering on the side of the building. Seems someone took off all the letters, including Esformes’s name.
December 17th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
>And we must weep if we believe allegations mad against the
>Gedolai Yisreal from an anoymous blogger. Just because he
>(or she) says I’ve been able - and we have no clue which
>cave this person is living in, we spread loshon hora. That’s
>to weep about
Dude, I’ve confirmed this from multiple sources including rabbonim. There is no question they knew and took NO action to protect the children of Israel. None at all.
December 17th, 2006 at 7:01 pm
According to the Pro-Tendler Jewish Voice and Rav Dovid helping alleged child molesters is nothing new:
[short excerpts of multi-page article]
July/06 issue
…
in 2000, Mr. Hynes dropped charges against Rabbi Solomon Hafner, a member
of the hareidi Bobov community in Borough Park, after a beit din said he was innocent. Asked about this case, Mr. Schmetterer said it was “nonsense.” “We would
not allow any outside group to dictate what our office does,” he says.
…
say Mr. Schmetterer is wrong.
…
In 2000, Mr. Hynes’s office issued a 96-count child-abuse complaint against
Rabbi Hafner, a popular tutor and camp administrator in the Bobov community.
The complaint was supported by renowned medical experts and a police
detective before it fizzled right in the middle of a Grand Jury investigation.
…
But the fact remains that barely two months after Rabbi Hafner’s arrest, Mr. Hynes’s office was visited by a member of an influential, ad hoc beit din and, almost immediately, announced that there was no longer evidence to support the charges, The Grand Jury that, until that point, had been hearing testimony in the case, was disbanded.
…
These include, they say, a specially convened beit din, which stopped tape
recording its proceedings when it appeared the DA might subpoena the tape;
a meeting of DA officials with one of the beit din’s rabbis to consider second-hand
“new evidence” privately relayed by the rabbis; and, allegedly, contacts between
DA officials and NY Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, who reportedly stepped
in to urge the DA’s office to listen to what the rabbis had to say. “In fact, so close were the communications between DA officials and the rabbis, whose court exonerated Hafner, that, according to one rabbinic court member, the
DA’s office ‘officially’ asked the rabbis not to publish the verdict until after the DA formally dropped the charges—just to dispel the appearance of a deal,” say the authors.
…
According to Mr. (removed)’s uncle, the rabbis on the beit din went so far as to
write a statement for the family to sign to give to the DA, admitting that their son
was “crazy.” When the family refused, the rabbis used other means to get the
case thrown out,
…
“New Evidence”
By the first week in March 2000—before the beit din even officially handed down its
judgment finding Rabbi Hafner innocent—the rabbis were prepared to visit the DA’s office, along with Mr. Littman, Rabbi Hafner’s attorney, to produce “new evidence” of
Rabbi Hafner’s innocence.
…
…says Rabbi Rottenberg told her that Assembly Speaker Silver, an Orthodox Jew who reportedly davens with Rabbi Feinstein, urged the DA’s office to listen to the rabbis. “Shelly Silver said he’s not taking sides, but he does want the doors opened [at the DA’s office] to listen to what we have to say,” Rabbi Rottenberg
…
Mr. Silver did not return repeated calls for comment.
…
Using the Beit Din
Asked about the beit din, Rabbi Feinstein says he agreed to be part of it only because Rabbi Cohen was so insistent. He says it convened in his office because he was
the only rabbi on the panel who does not have a car.
He says that while he believes Rabbi Hafner was innocent, he knows nothing about members of the beit din interfering with the DA’s office and, he says, he has no
idea why the DA’s office dismissed charges against Rabbi Hafner so soon after the beit din also absolved him.
In general, Rabbi Feinstein says, it is a good idea for would-be accusers in the
Jewish community to take their charges to a beit din before going to the police.
“If the person is found guilty, the beit din would tell the accuser to go to the police;
if the person is found not guilty, the beit din would tell the accuser to forget it,” he says.
Asked if he knows of any instances in which a beit din referred a case to the civil
authorities, Rabbi Feinstein says he does not.
…
December 17th, 2006 at 9:31 pm
JWB, it is so painful to me that our community has continued to deny the allegations made by our children and our women - and yet we are shocked that there are people out there denying the Holocaust. Sounds like midah k’neged midah to me.
December 18th, 2006 at 10:26 am
JWB Why are you critical of the Feinsteins vis a vis Kolko when it was the drek Margolis (may his name be erased) who employed Kolko? The Feinsteins are no more or less guilty than any other peripheral rabbi or askan. What did the Agudah do? Nothing. But you don’t mention the Novominsker, you don’t mention Belsky, Scheinberg, or any one else with much closer involvement than the Feinsteins. That makes no sense.
December 18th, 2006 at 10:28 am
I hear that the Grossmans are going to be making a Bar Mitzvah for his son at bas mikrah in January.
December 18th, 2006 at 11:05 am
>JWB Why are you critical of the Feinsteins vis a vis Kolko
>when it was the drek Margolis (may his name be erased)
>who employed Kolko? The Feinsteins are no more or less
>guilty than any other peripheral rabbi or askan. What did
>the Agudah do? Nothing. But you don’t mention the
>Novominsker, you don’t mention Belsky, Scheinberg, or
>any one else with much closer involvement than the
>Feinsteins. That makes no sense.
They too were aware and were silent. They too had the opportunity to act and did not. They too must be held accountable.
December 18th, 2006 at 1:32 pm
The Grossman Bar Mitzvah is Jan 21st, let’s all go!
December 18th, 2006 at 2:35 pm
The following excerpt comes from “Journey Through the Minefields: From Vietnam to Washington, an Orthodox Surgeon’s Odyssey” by Mandell I. Ganchrow
CHAPTER EIGHTEEN: The Lanner Affair
One Executive Board member who opposed the work of the Commission publicly challenged me on at least two occasions to produce an opinion by a halachic leader concerning the issue of the possible spread of gossip about OU employees or lay leaders. Marcel Weber and I were equally concerned about that possibility, but were no less troubled by the fact that no Union leader had publicly considered the halachic implications of tolerating year after year of alleged abuse of children. During the long run up to the release of the Joel Commission report, Marcel and had discussed these issues with my own Rav and spiritual adviser, Rabbi Dr. Moshe Tendler of Yeshiva University. Tendler knew about the Lanner Affair in considerable detail; from newspaper accounts and through his relationship with former students, who were now coming forward with information.
Rabbi (Moshe) Tendler agreed to write a halachic opinion, which basically stated that when individuals had “knowledge of physical or sexual abuse of NCSY participants (they) cannot remain in the organization.” Similarly, he found that employees who “violated their fiduciary obligations should …be given the opportunity to resign,” and then the Commission findings should “be sealed.” During the course of the deliberations of the committee of thirteen, Avi Blumenfeld, a member of the group, and I met with an advisory panel of the Monsey Belt Din that in essence reinforced the goals laid down by Rabbi Tendler.
December 18th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
Does this quote mean that it was “halacha”, according to Moshe Tendler, to cover up all knowledge of sexual abuse of minors within NCSY?
December 18th, 2006 at 5:18 pm
I just discovered a great website.
dontdatehimgirl dot com.
Can someone post Tendler on it?
December 19th, 2006 at 8:37 am
Grossman is a “Rasha,” and one should not go to any Simcha this enabler makes.
He has already received three “Hazmonois” from the Bais Din of Mechon Leharah, and he ignored each and every one of them.
He chooses instead to listen to a proven sexual predator. This sexual pervert himself preached at his own Congregation that one should never go to secular court but must always go to Bais Din.
This Grossman chooses to ignore the ruling of the RCA, an organization that his own pervert Rabbi was a member of for over 25 years. The RCA threw out Mordechai after a 15 month independent investigation. This was a process that Mordy himself agreed and signed that he would abide by (until of course it went against him).
This Grossman “Rasha” chooses to ignore a psak and a Teshuvah from the Bais Din of Harav Ben Zion Wosner Shlitah. This Bais Din did its own year long investigation and ruled that Mordy can no longer serve as a Rav, and that he can no longer be given any honors. This Psak was signed by many Rabbonim of the neighborhood including two neighbors, Harav Chaim Schabbos Shlita and Harav Yisroel Cinner Shlitah!
This Grossman the “Rasha” chooses to ignore the psak of the Bais Din of Harav Yisroel Hager Shlitah, who ruled that Mordy Tendler is a liar and unfit to be a Rav. This Bais Din was hand chosen by Mordy himself. He went to this Bais Din to circumvent the RCA process that he had agreed to. He thought that Harv Yisroel Hager would believe him and not cross examine the victims.
This Grossman the “Rasha” chooses to ignore the psak of the Bais Din of Harav Zimmerman, who also ruled that Mordy Tendler is a liar and unfit to be a Rav in Klall Yisroel. Tendler hand chose this Bais Din also to circumvent the RCA process that he had agreed to.
It turns out that this Grossman chooses to ignore
(1) three (count them … three) separate Hazmonos of Mechon Leharah
(2) the ruling of the RCA, an organization that has no less than 1,000 members
(3) the ruling of the Bais Din of Harav Yisroel Hager
(4) the ruling of the Bais Din of Harav Zimmerman
(5) the ruling of the Bais Din of Harav Ben Zion Wosner
This pathetic creature Grossman will not pick up a phone and call any of the above quoted Rabbonim to verify all we have written
Instead, he takes his own fellow Jews to a secular court, a clear violation of Halacha, and where the Shulchan Aruch rules that in this case, one should be called a RASHA!
Who is going to his Bar Mitzvah??
December 19th, 2006 at 9:15 am
Anonymous 8:37, you can write an anonymous letter to the Rosengartens with this information. They own Bas Mikroh, where they are making the Bar Mitzvah.
Rabbi Shimon Rosengarten
28 West Maple Avenue
Monsey, N.Y. 10952
It is important for them to know all this.
December 19th, 2006 at 11:34 am
Prophet Reader: MT is a married man with many children and granchildren. How in your warped sense of priorities could a woman getting invoved with him be concerned with a website called Dont Date Him?
Do you seriously think that someone should post a bio of MT on a website Dont Date Him? What kind of woman would be considering dating a married grandfather of a zillion children?
This is simply indicative of the level of the women in this community, and their simply bizarre contradiction of values and morals. MT may be a rasha, but he could only have happened in a community such as ours, where no woman is accountable for her actions and is a perma-victim.
December 19th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
I don’t think prophet reader lives in this community. Anyways, I think it was just a joke, not to be taken seriously.
December 19th, 2006 at 1:13 pm
It is so obvious that it was a joke. I can’t understand “Faithful Wife” is ranting and raving on and on, and seriously entertaining this as serious.
December 19th, 2006 at 1:18 pm
///////////This is simply indicative of the level of the women in this community, and their simply bizarre contradiction of values and morals. MT may be a rasha, but he could only have happened in a community such as ours, where no woman is accountable for her actions and is a perma-victim.//////////
Here Here!
December 19th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
New Hempstead has got the butt-ugliest women south of Albany.
December 19th, 2006 at 3:47 pm
Even though Tendler sought a Bais Din against the RCA, could the RCA force Tendler to go to the Bais Din in spite of his apparent reluctance to proceed? And since Tendler’s father and his uncles, the Feinsteins, have decried the RCA’s expulsion and all other actions against Tendler because they were allegedly done without the imprimatur of a Bais Din, then how come they are not demanding that Tendler proceed in Bais Din against the RCA, and against his former shul, and, how come they have not denounced Tendler for seeking relief in secular courts?
December 19th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
Additionally, why didn’t Harry and Eileen Grossman, Morris Esformes, and the other plaintiffs in the secular law suit against Kehillat New Hempstead first seek relief before a Bais Din? This is all confusing especially since when Tendler was bounced from the RCA, all of Tendler’s supporters were demanding he have his day in Bais Din court? Where are these pundits now, and how come we hear nothing from them on the subject, and how do they explain their resort to the gentile judicial system in matters so rife with jewish law and tradition?
December 19th, 2006 at 4:06 pm
As you can see, Jeffrey, it is all bullshit. Total bullshit. Because you are a B.T., you are, I am sure, disappointed to learn just how much bullshit is out there in the “frum” world. Take my word for it. Many “frum” people are full of shit, dishonest, and watching out for their own interests. There are some “lishma” people, but also many highly fa frumpte people are full of shit.
December 19th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
I agree with Anonymous 4:06 totally! I am a BT, and I am so disappointed by all the B.S out there, sometimes I wonder if it was all worth it. Anonymous writes how many “frum” people are watching out for their own interests.” I have also observed this, and it is very sad for me to watch. All I can do is work on myself, and hope that one day these frum bull shit artists will get their day in “court”, after 120. One Rov once told me not to judge the Judiasm by the Jewish nation.
December 19th, 2006 at 7:22 pm
> One Rov once told me not to judge the Judiasm by the Jewish nation.
That is one of Berel Wein’s famous quotes. “Don’t judge Judaism by the actions of Jews” or something like that.
December 19th, 2006 at 8:11 pm
Yes, he used to come speak at my school. We need more of his kind around, he inspired me to become frum.
December 20th, 2006 at 7:55 am
I agree we need more people like Berel Wein around. Where are the normal rabbonim? Everyone is so frummed out with their black suits and beards and hats and generally have nothing to say. Most of the rabbonim I meet today are just frum money collectors. Many are total clowns who grew their beard to hide behind it. Where is the rav who speaks like a normal person? Who has something to say? Who has some insight? Who can provide some Jewish leadership and inspiration? Tell me where I can find such a person and I will go there.
December 20th, 2006 at 8:40 am
I heard that leaflets were passed around the community synagogue of monsey neighborhood in protest of their allowing MT to give a shiur there.
December 20th, 2006 at 5:48 pm
I like Rabbi Ciner, he is normal, insightful, and very inspirational. He is a humble human being who isn’t full of balony. The NH community is thrilled to have him aboard. G-d willing KNH will have either Rabbi Kohl or another Rov that will really work out.
December 20th, 2006 at 6:26 pm
I agree Rabbi Ciner is a very nice person, very down to earth, humble, and kind-hearted.
December 20th, 2006 at 9:07 pm
We will go after anyone that attempts to harass Rabbi Kohl. Even a phone call will set things off and into motion
December 20th, 2006 at 10:37 pm
read a beautiful summary of the lies of Mordechai Tendler in the latest NHN post.
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December 21st, 2006 at 12:24 am
To the heilige rabbonim of NHN. Not that I care, but as you know, the Chofetz Chayim permits lashon horah under specific circumstances of which one condition is toeles. Now that Tendler is just a citizen, what toeles is there in continuing to post about him in any way? One could argue that now that the job has been done there is no longer toeles and no heter to speak lashon harah. In fact, aren’t you helping him by helping to keep the issue in the fore? After all, there is no such thing as bad press. Why kick a dead horse?
Also, to suggest that Tendler planned all this out back in the day when NH was just apple orchards is giving him way too much credit. If he was that smart he’d still be your Rav.
December 21st, 2006 at 2:56 pm
is Tsvi Kilstein still supporting MT?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:04 pm
We will commence action against anyone that attempts to harass Rabbi Kohl. Even a phone call will set things off and into motion
December 21st, 2006 at 5:32 pm
Tzvi has never publicly withdrawn his support, so as far as we’re concerned, he’s still supporting him. He made a lot of vicious accusations against many of the advocates for the victims, and has never withdrawn them or apologized (and he knows who those individuals are). He is also a known misogynist.
December 21st, 2006 at 5:33 pm
When will whoever from KNH that designed the blaufacts website and then closed it down actually apologize to Rabbi Blau and ask him for mechilah?
December 21st, 2006 at 5:40 pm
Kich Mich, what are you talking about? He is still calling himself a rabbi, has a minyan in his house and is calling it Kehillat New Hempstead. He still occasionally has morons who give him kibudim at weddings, and he has a few zombies that attend a “shiur” that he teaches at Community Synagogue. There is still a woman (at least one) that follows him around lovingly with puppy dog eyes, and there are still a few zombies that stand up for him when he walks into a room. And HE IS STILL SUING the shul, and has others suing on his behalf. When all this stops, then you are right, we should stop talking about him.
December 21st, 2006 at 6:59 pm
No one in KNH made the blaufacts site. At one point Tendler hired a media representative named Hank Sheinkopf. It is widely believed that Sheinkopf handled making the site at Tendler’s request. If you read the early Canonist archives on the Tendler topic, you will see posts that link company that programmed the blaufacts website to other sites made for Sheinkopf’s clients.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:31 pm
That’s not the information I have. And again, Rabbi Blau is waiting for an apology.
December 21st, 2006 at 7:39 pm
I understand that the full RCA Report will soon be leaked to all citizens of Monsey
as a Chanukah present to Michelle Tendler
December 21st, 2006 at 8:33 pm
Who the fuck is Tzvi fucking Karlstein and who gives a shit about all these weirdos whose names keep popping up on this New Hempstead blog? There are some real assholes in New Hempstead who would sell this village down the river, Tendler or no Tendler. New Hempstead residents…..BEWARE OF TRAITORS IN YOUR MIDST!!!These traitors talk about how they want to help the Jewish people. Bullshit. All they want is to help themselves. These self-serving creeps get themselves into positions of power. BEWARE OF THESE PEOPLE…..
December 21st, 2006 at 9:09 pm
Rabbi Blau certainly deserves an apology, but not from KNH. Tendler is the one who owes him an apology, because whoever made that site did it at Tendler’s request, either by Hank Sheinkopf (which is what most people have concluded, based on the facts) or by one of Tendler’s other followers. The same is true of the ravtendlerdocuments.com site and the press releases on PR Newswire.
I spoke with someone who was on the board of KNH at the time that blaufacts was produced (one of the original people who voted to fire Tendler), and I was told that KNH had nothing to do with the blaufacts site.
Like I said, read the Canonist archives, and you will find the link between the blaufacts site and Tendler’s media consultant pitbull Hank Sheinkopf.
December 21st, 2006 at 9:46 pm
OK, I found some of the facts connecting Sheinkopf with Blaufacts.
The original Blaufacts website was created by a company called XFriday GFX. This information was found as a link hidden inside the original Blaufacts webpage sourcecode. A few days after this information was exposed on Canonist, the XFriday information was removed from the source code.
Look here for the blaufacts site on the web archive: ...
If you look at the sourcecode for the blaufacts site on May 7, 2005, you will see the link to xfgfx on the second line. If you look at the May 10, 2005 archive, the reference is gone as Sheinkopf tried to cover his tracks.
The xfgfx website had a preliminary version of the blaufacts site on their computers too. That site was also removed when the information was posted on Canonist. However, that site is still available in the web archive:
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There is information somewhere on Canonist (which I can’t find at the moment) proving that Sheinkopf had sites built by XFriday for his other clients too.
XFriday is located in India, which should make it rather clear that no one from KNH works there and built the Blaufacts site.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:53 am
NH is Nice, please don’t misunderstand. I wasn’t saying that KNH owes Rabbi B an apology. But according to my information, someone who was a member, at least at one time, created that site. So, we’re waiting for him or her to apologize to him.
December 22nd, 2006 at 7:24 am
and beware of people who post with words of profanity! Anon 8:33, who can even read what you wrote when every other word is a curse word? Your mama should wash your mouth with soap!
December 22nd, 2006 at 7:29 am
Hey listen to me and listen to me good. New Hempstead is in danger of being turned into Monsey. You want it? Go ahead and ignore me. I’ll move. You will be living here with multi family homes, shuls in every other house, homes built out to the curb, illegal dormitories, and the whole mess that infects Monsey. You want it? You think it is good for us? Then, fine, you can have it. Look no further than your town board and the new guys in town and smell the coffee before it is too late.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:17 am
I did a little digging and found some of old posts that link Blaufacts to MT’s hired media consultant Hank Sheinkopf.
The original Blaufacts website had a hidden link in the website code to the company that built the Blaufacts site. A few days after this information was reported on blogs, the Blaufacts site was updated and the hidden link was removed. If you go to this link ... you can see the archives of the Blaufacts site. Look at the code on the first day it was archived (May 7, 2005) and you will see a link to xfgfx . com on the 2nd line of the code. If you look at the May 10, 2005 archive of the same site, the link has been removed. xfgfx . com is XFriday, a web development company.
The hidden link on the Blaufacts site accessed a preliminary version of the Blaufacts pages running on XFriday’s servers. You can see that early version in the web archive by going here: ...
Hank Sheinkopf has used XFriday to build PR sites for his other clients also. (Proof of this was posted on blogs too, but I can’t find it at the moment. Maybe JWB has this information handy.)
The bottom line is that someone paid XFriday to build the Blaufacts site, and it was not KNH. Most people believe that it was paid for by Tendler with the details being handled by Sheinkopf. Tendler might have had one of his blind followers help Hank create the content (maybe this is the person that you are referring to).
The bottom line is that Tendler is the one who owes Rabbi Blau an apology, among a LONG list of other people who he owes an apology.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:42 am
The Nazis also thought they were dealing with an infestation of Jews. I hope a slew of chassidim move in to your street, it would serve you right, anon.7:29.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:48 am
EXCELLENT POST BY NHN BLOGSITE.
Mordechai Tendler The Liar!!
There is a vicious lie being spread by the Tendlereits, that Tendler is the one who is waiting to go to Bais Din with the RCA and with his former Kehillah, and that the RCA and his former Kehillah are the ones who refuse to go.
This professional liar Mordechai Tendler, actually convinced his uncle Rabbi David Feinstein that he is waiting for the Bais Din process to proceed.
We have therefore decided that for the sake of EMES, we will outline what really happened and why there is a stalemate!
Everything that we will write here, can be verified!
The first order of business for our readers to know is that Mordechai Tendler had all this planned when he decided to move to New Hempstead!
He moved to an unknown and sparsely populated area in Monsey to build a Kehillah that would be isolated from the rest of Rockland County.He did this so that he would be able to dominate his Kehillah in order satisfy his weird sexual cravings.
He knew that he could not keep this a secret for long, so he started giving Shiurim On Hilchos Lashan Hara. He gave these shiurim over a long period of time so that if any of his secret sexual perversions ever got out, his Kehillah would not believe them.
He never got to the part where the Chofetz Chayim clearly states that there are times that one MUST actually SPEAK LOSHON HARA! There are times where one must publicly chastise and embarrass the individual who is a RASHA!
What he also preached, was a known Halachic concept, that one is never allowed to go to civil court and one must go to Bais Din only…
In order to isolate his Kehillah and be able to dominate them, he came up with a brilliant scheme.
He began to actually say to his Kehillah that they are the only true Kehillah, and that anyone praying in any other shul in New Hempstead will not have their prayers answered. He also told them that only his matzos were kosher (no one ever asked him “what about all the Matzos that were eaten by Jews before he was born?”).
He also established his own Eirav. This Eirav was not excepted by any other Rav in Monsey (the reason the Rabbonim could not permit his Eirav, because he based his Eirav on fences that he said were on the Palisades Parkway, which turned out to be a total and absolute lie). This was done so that he would be seen as the only true Poisek in Monsey.
He slowly began a brainwashing scheme, to isolate this Holy Kehillah even more.
Now only the Matzos of Kehillat New Hempstead were kosher,and now only his Eirav was kosher.
He also began a plan to build a Women and Mens Mikvah.
When the Rabbonim sat down with him and discussed with him the rules of all the other Mikvas in town, they soon discovered that he made up his own rules. All the Rabbonim pulled their support, and this was actually what Tendler wanted all along, his Kehillah to stand alone!
Thank G-d, that all this collapsed and the Mikvah is now in the hands of Real Rabbonim who care for all Jews!
In addition, he set up his own Bais Din, which he called a Vaad!
With this Bais Din he annulled (according to his own testimony) hundreds and hundreds of marriages, and he claimed that his Grandfather Harav Moshe Feinstein Z”L did the same thing.
When the Rabbis in town (Harav Yisroel Hager & Harav Zimmerman)questioned R’ Moshe Tendler if this was actually true, he told them that he knew of only one annulment that Harav Moshe Feinstein Z”L did in his entire life!!!
(Who knows how many “mamzeirim” bastards have been created as a result of his annulments?)
So for a period of about ten years he had full control of his Kehillah and built a very strong following with people who were predominately Ballei Teshuvah. He became their posek and also their family counselor, and the Kehillah began to confide and confess to him about their lapses in judgment, be it in their marriage or business affairs. This was his original plan, a plan that would neatly fit into his scheme of slowly building a cult-like following. He now knew of their failings and now had the power to control them by telling them that their secret will never get out.
Tendler, also started to give shiurim in the morning hours before Shachris and encouraged women to actually attend.
For those who are reading this … read carefully what I am about to say…
There were women who had little children home, and instead of feeding them breakfast and making sure that they got on the bus, were actually attending his shiur!
Tendler did not tell them to go home and feed their infants but rather enjoyed and encouraged them to come!
He also had shiurim at night with women. Some of these shiurim took place on a one to one basis with the door locked!
Then things suddenly unraveled!!
One of his lovers actually thought that Mordy would leave his wife and marry her.
When she found out that not only wasn’t he going to leave his wife for her, but that she wasn’t the only one, she taped him! She then threatened him with exposure,and Mordy Tendler paid her $100,000.00 to keep her mouth shut.
To make a long story short,
The RCA, a Rabbinic organization with over 1,000 members, an organization that Mordy was a member for over 25 years, and never had a bad thing to say about them, began their own investigation after numerous complaints. They interviewed many woman, some of whom never met or ever talked to each other.
To be completely fair, they hired an outside firm from Dallas Texas to investigate all complaints against Mordy Tendler.
They also informed Tendler of their investigation and asked him if he would agree to a “Bais Din Hakoveid” an informal Bais Din so as not to publicly embarrass him. R’ Moshe Tendler, hand chose the Rabbis, and chose Rabbis that were close to the Tendler family. Mordy and his wife Michelle and his lawyer Kriss(why did he need a lawyer if he was completely innocent?) actually met with the investigators.
Tendler, was then informed that things were not going well,so he went
and chose his own two Batei Dinim, and voluntarily asked that they investigate.
He went to Harav Yisroel Hager Shlitah, and then to Harav Zimmerman Shlitah
He then told the RCA that there is no need for him to now face the Bais Din Hakoveid since he already faced two Batei Dinim (He is the one who called them Batei Dinim)and was exonerated by them (turns out that both Harav Hager and Harav Zimmerman came
to the very same conclusion that Mordy Tendler is both a Liar and guilty as charged).
The RCA after their 15 month internal and outside investigation found him to be inappropriate to be a Rabbi and ousted him from their organization!
Please keep in mind that he told his congregation that the RCA would vindicate him.
He also told his congregation that in the event that they oust him, all the 1,000 Rabbis would resign in mass.
Turns out that the only one who resigned was Rabbi Faskowitz, who is a cousin of Michelle Tendler. Rabbi Faskowitz himself is not a genuine person. He
published his resignation in the Jewish Press without mentioning the fact that he was a cousin to the Tendlers. Mordy couldn’t get his own Father, Rabbi Moshe Tendler, to resign. R’ Moshe Tendler is a member of the RCA as of this writing. Mordy himself is trying to get reinstated!
When the RCA ousted him, he panicked, and told his congregation, that the RCA Rabbis (he was one of them for over 25 years)were a bunch of liars!
He attacked them viciously in the Jewish Press, the same hand chosen Rabbonim and who up till this investigation were Tendler’s closest supporters and friends.
He had someone build a website for the sole purpose to villify his former friend and collegue (looks like he never listened to his very own shiurim on Loshon Hara).
He then took them 6,000 miles away to Bais Din, an off chute of the rabbinate of Israel!
The reason he did this, was because he figured, that there was no way that the RCA would be able to fly all the witnesses to Israel.
He would then say that the RCA doesn’t want to come to Bais Din. Which he actually did say to his followers!
What he didn’t tell his followers and which they subsequently found out was that the RCA did not need a Bais Din to oust them from their organization!!!!
In fact Harav Kanievsky’s son actually wrote the RCA a letter (the letter is posted on the RCA website) that they do not have to go to Bais Din!
However, the RCA knew very well that Tendler the “liar” would then use the JEWISH PRESS and report that the RCA refuses to go to Bais Din!
After being bashed in the pro-Tendler rag the Jewish Press, the RCA went the extra mile and said, “OK” we will go to Bais Din but we will go to Bais Din in Monsey. The famous “Mechon Leharah”!
Tendler never actually told anybody that the RCA agreed to go to Bais Din, and the Jewish Press never ever reported this, instead he continued his big lie that the RCA refuses to go to Bais Din.
The RCA in fact chose a Dayan approved by Tendler’s own Rabbinute. To see the response and history of the big Tendler lie, one can go to the RCA website. At the RCA website anyone with a half a brain will clearly see that the RCA is waiting for Mordy to come to Bais Din!
Tendler will never ever go to Bais Din but will continue his vicious lie that it is the RCA that refuses to go to Bais Din!
Meanwhile, Yeshivah University fired him!
Things started to get from bad to worse for him, because another one of his victims sued him in Civil Court, swearing that Mordy Tendler had a long time sexual affair with her. This was reported in all the secular papers including the NEW YORK POST & The Journal News.
His Board of Directors then resigned and his new board fired him!
He took them to them to the Bais Din of the Agudas Harabanim. This Bais Din has a sitting Rav on their Bais Din who is a convicted felon. The Rabbi who actually heads this currupt Bais Din is Rabbi Ginzberg who was the secretary of Harav Moshe Feinstein Z”L. When Harav Feinstein Z”L went to meet his maker, Rabbi Ginzberg appointed himself the Head Honcho of this Bais Din. This Bais Din the “Agudas Harabonim” is now a laughing stock in the orthodox Jewish world, and is referred to as the Agudas HaGanovim!
The Board said ok,we are prepared to go, but we want the “Zabla” process!
Tendler has not appeared in his own hand chosen Bais Din (Agudas Harabonim)nor any Bais Din so far!
Instead of listening to his own preachings to stay away from civil court, this liar went and sued his Board in civil court for “breach of contract!”
In addition, he sued this Blogg, New Hempstead News, in civil court in Ohio and again in California.
He also, gathered up a bunch of crazy lunatics and hired Paul Savad who davens in Shaarei Torah, to sue the Board, in civil court, to stop the board from hiring a new Rabbi. Two weeks ago the Judge lifted the injunction and KNH promptly hired a Rabbi!
So here my friends are the facts:
Tendler is a Liar …. and continues to spread lies that
the RCA refuses to go to Bais Din
and that his former Kehillah refuses to go to Bais Din
Both the RCA
and his Former Kehillah are waiting patiently for Tendler the Pervert and Liar to appear in Bais Din …. as of this writing , he has not appeared!
Instead he went against his own preaching, to Civil Court to sue
The Bloggers
& His Former Kehilah
Happy Chanukah!
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:52 am
You failed to mention one valuable point. Earlier this year (during the summer, I believe), Mordecai Tendler refused to participate in a Bais Din that was organized at the request of his own father! MT flatly stated that he has given up on the Beis Din system and is only willing to pursue secular court.
Anyone who believes that Mordecai Tendler is eager for Beis Din is being fooled. Read on for details.
Earlier this year, Rabbi Moshe Dovid Tendler (MT’s daddy) asked Rabbi Cohen (from Blueberry Hill shul) to setup a truly impartial Beis Din for MT and KNH to finally get this matter settled once and for all. According to Rabbi Cohen’s public statements, he chose 5 highly respected and independent rabbonim who agreed to be part of a Beis Din. Rabbi Cohen approached KNH and asked them if they would agree to a Beis Din using any 3 of the 5 dayonim that MT would choose. KNH unconditionally agreed. Rabbi Cohen approached MT. MT refused to agree to Rabbi Cohen’s request, despite the fact that the whole idea was from MT’s father! Rabbi Cohen publicly quoted the Rambam stating that anyone who choses secular court over Beis Din is a CHILUL HASHEM. Rabbi Cohen also said that it is an embarassment that such a person claims to still be a Rov and has the chutzpah to give a derasha to his small pack of followers on how to do teshuva for Rosh Hashana when he himself is a ba’al aveyroh!
The Feinsteins should call Rabbi Moshe Dovid Tendler or Rabbi Cohen to get the truth about whether MT is waiting for the Beis Din process to proceed. Bulloney.
Rabbi Cohen will speak to anyone about this matter if asked. You can also ask FB, BM or SR of the KNH Board as well.
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:54 am
Harry, Harry why you bugging ???
Wedding and Bar Mitzvah right around the corner.
Mazel Tov, we’re sure some of your guests will help make it a very enjoyable event for you and Eileen.
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:07 pm
Hey you dopes. Not wanting my neighborhood to turn into a worn out looking slum is a far cry from what the Nazis did. Stop using the term Nazis to answer every complaint about what has happened in Monsey. You want it in NH? I ain’t got nothing against the hassidim, but I do not want multi family dense housing in New hempstead, which brings with it on top of the ugliness, overcrowding, filth, lack of privacy and decay. You want that? OK
December 22nd, 2006 at 12:53 pm
Hey you guys, you WISH that NH would get crowded. Since this calamity happened with KNH, noone wants to move to NH. There are so many houses for sale in my neighborhood, it isn’t funny. I daven that the Chassidim will move over here and take over NH so I can sell for big buckaroos and get out of dodge! My house is worth bupkas, even worse here than other neighborhoods. Shabbat Shalom, happy chanukah.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:12 pm
It’s not about losing money or which group moves into the neighborhood. I’ve earned and lost plenty of money in my life. In the end it’s just money, it’s just materialism. What matters is saving the Jewish community - supporting Israel, protecting our women and children from evil, etc. Shabbat Shalom, Happy Chanukah.
December 22nd, 2006 at 3:14 pm
BREAKING NEWS - JUST SENT OUT BY FRED BRINN PRESIDENT OF KNH
MORDY’S BREACH OF CONTRACT CASE AGAINST KNH DISMISSED
With gratitude to Hashem Yisborach, I am extremely pleased to inform our members that the Court, in the matter of Mordecai Tendler vs. Kehillat New Hempstead, regarding R Tendler’s Breach of Contract lawsuit against KNH, WAS DISMISSED.
The Board will have a formal statement on the matter in the next several days.
In addition, our members will be updated on this as well as other matters at the Special Membership Meeting on Sunday.
Mazel Tov and Good Shabbos
Fred Brinn
December 23rd, 2006 at 6:24 pm
Anonymous 613, apparently you can’t read. The writing is on the wall. It’s over. You can’t stop anyone from doing something in their own home, this is America. And what do you care what he calls the minyan in his home? Momma always said, stupid is as stupid does.
December 23rd, 2006 at 7:41 pm
It’s not just what is going on in his home - despicable as it is. It’s also rabbis like Chill and Rudinski treating him with respect publicly, and people giving him kibudim at simchas. But basically, you’re right. It’s almost over for him. But like the vampire that keeps coming back, you have to put a stake through the heart (metaphor - no one is threatening to kill him - we do after all have to watch what we say or Susan Rosenbluth will write in that piece of crap rag of hers that the FBI is investigating us for threatening his life). What it means is that we cannot stop until every rabbi stops treating him with any respect, and that his supporters be ostracized in a similar manner to supporters of Shabbatai Zvi, J.C., Jacob Frank, Korach, etc. Ideally, it would be great to run him out of town.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:52 am
Steven, why not create a Thread XI this one takes too long to open.
December 24th, 2006 at 3:34 am
To Anonymous Says:
December 22nd, 2006 at 8:52 am
Copies of all KNH corrspondence and legal papers have been sent to Rav Dovid and Rav Reuven Feinstein. At this point they do not have to call anyone as they can read it all directly forom copies of the original documents. We also included a complementary set to the MT’s Av Bais Din Rabbi Ginsburg.
So far we have not received any response - Their silience was expected.
Kish Mich Says:
Yes, this ugly saga is coming to an end, but the damage to KNH will take many years to repair and some very nice people will have abandoned the frum world.
Hopefully, our Rabbis will have learned to investigate allegations and act quickly to protect potential victims. But I won’t hold my breath.
As for the KNH board and members they proved to be a remarkable group of inidviduals.
December 24th, 2006 at 4:04 am
No one seems to mention what a truly wonderful friend Esformes is to Rabbi Tendler. A few weeks ago there was a dedication ceremony for the new Esformes Monsey Academy for Girls. A place where a bas yisrael can be educated in the finest modern orthodox traditions: that it is normal for a fourteen year old girl to have a boyfriend; that being “shomer” is optional; that yichud and all those other halachas in siman 20 and 21 don’t apply; etc. In short, he is trying to insure that has buddy MT has a supply of willing dupes for at least another generation. What a pal! Excuse me while I puke….
December 24th, 2006 at 9:45 am
KNH’s legal papers probably will not sway the Feinsteins as much as Rabbi Cohen’s report. It is pretty remarkable that MT declined to participate in Bais Din that was organized at the request of his own father - and that KNH unconditionally agreed to let MT choose the dayanim from the list that Rabbi Cohen presented.
December 24th, 2006 at 10:44 am
Congratulations to all and thanks to all. This blog and other blogs obviously proved essential to get this done. However, I strongly feel you should now stop writing anonymously. If you feel you can’t, think twice if your post really serves a purpose. Why don’t you start a KNH discussion forum, where you can combine community issues and Torah discussions? I will join, bli neder.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:38 am
Rabbi Cohen will speak to anyone about this matter if asked.
You can also ask FB, BM or SR of the KNH Board as well.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:41 am
Judge Leibowitz dismissed Tendlers Breach of Contract Lawsuit against Kehillat New Hempstead. The question still remains, what about the Tendler Survivors? Is everyone forgetting about them and their pain and suffering? The women who came forward to say they were sexually manipulated by this married, orthodox rabbi need to be honored and respected!
The case is not over until the Tendler Survivors have been compensated and public apologies have been made by everyone who attacked them. The case of Mordecai Tendler has always been about those who have been abused and not about a synagogue.
Vicki Polin, MA, ATR, LCPC - Executive Director
The Awareness Center, Inc.
(Jewish Coalition Against Sexual Abuse/Assault)
P.O. Box 65273, Baltimore, MD 21209
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443-857-5560
December 24th, 2006 at 11:56 am
KNH is still a defendent in the AM v. MT lawsuit. No statements containing apologies could be made to anyone until such time as that lawsuit is over. It could be implied from a statement that KNH was an accompliss to MT’s devious behavior, although everyone knows they were not, and Kramer would jump on any statement KNH made.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:05 pm
The odds of the Feinsteins calling Rabbi Cohen, FB, BM or SR is 0%.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:58 pm
I couldn’t disagree more with the overweight poster with the psudonym Vicki Polin. It has never been about the women who exercised terrible judgment, wreaking more havoc in their already disturbed lives. Let each of the permavictims prove to the world that they have undergone the kind of intense psychotherpy required to cure what ails them so that they can then be mainstreamed into society at large. Cold? Maybe, but often the truth is just that.
December 24th, 2006 at 12:59 pm
Then let them reimburse KNH for all of their legal fees, which had they been true heros, never would have been necessary in the first place. One real tape, (not the ten year old nonsense that proved little) placed in every mail box, and tendler would have relocated to Israel years ago.
December 24th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Kish Mich is that your name? Initials? Acronym? Pseudonym?
Where are you getting there is \”One real tape\”?
December 24th, 2006 at 5:02 pm
By real of course I am referring to the tapes purported to have the grand rabbi in corpus dilecti with she who was apt to wear blonde wigs incognito so no one would recognize her sneaking into the office voluntarilly to get one of the many shtuppings she later decided was abusive. Maybe MT suffered from PE and thats what she found abusive?
December 24th, 2006 at 5:06 pm
And yes, Kish Mich is my real name, you are incredibly astute in figuring that out. Most people presumed incorrectly that it was simply a blog moniker but you just can’t put anything past you. A real genius. Why not come vist me? I live in Emerald City. Just follow the yellow brick road. It sure as hell beats following Brick Church Road.
December 24th, 2006 at 5:10 pm
Dave P., anyone that abandoned for one minute frumkeit because of this sick story is someone we don’t need. I say, Good Riddance. Boo Hoo, the big bad rabbi took out his shlong and said he was messiah…Ever hear of nisayon? How about going straight to the police? How about taping his ass and posting it all over cyberspace? Every woman that partnered with mt had a choice and I am not buying the historical revisionist victim crap. He puts his pants on one leg at a time like every one else.
December 24th, 2006 at 5:15 pm
Vicki’s right.
Unfortunately, the people gloating over Tendler’s demise are simply excited to have their shul back. They couldn’t care less about the women.
Every licensed profession (think law, medicine, psychology) has laws about having sex with clients. This is because of the inherent power differential between the practitioner and client. I assume that the rabbinate has similar standards. Because of the power imbalance you cannot hold both client (congregant) and rabbi to be equally culpable. This is not to say that the women don’t bear some responsibility, but the onus is on MT.
Both the women who succumbed to Tendler’s repeated advances and those who managed to escape deserve restitution. They suffered social sanctions, emotional hardship and economic blows due to his abuses. If KNH is truly above board, it will try to correct what it aided and abetted. And yes, I know that you are in the middle of a lawsuit so you “can’t” admit to doing anything wrong-but tell me how do you sleep at night? You tortured these women! Is it simply enough to get MT out and get your building back? Or are you interested in real justice?
How many of you have invited ED to shabbat lately? Or encouraged her deadbeat husband to pay spousal support?
How many of you have invited any of the other women to your houses? Some of them don’t have family or community any more.
Think about it.
December 24th, 2006 at 5:16 pm
Vicki, here is my public apology to the “Tendler Victims”
I am sorry the Lord in His infinite wisdom gave you less common sense than most. I am sorry that due to your incredibly poor judgment, nonexistent self esteem, and disturbed persona you entered into mutually consenting sexual relationships with a man you knew was married. I am sorry you fell for the “I am the Messiah” rap because we do try to teach our daughters when they are like 11, that the Messiah line is a load of crap. I am sorry that because you are dim witted you destroyed a community along with a sick and deviant man - truthfully you all deserved each other. Now pay us back for the tens of thousands of dollars we wasted cleaning up your mess.
December 24th, 2006 at 6:57 pm
I could not agree with Kish Mish more — there certainly are no apologies due these women simply because Tendler is beginning to see his comeuppence.
These women willingly violated every tenet of halacha with a married man, and perverted the entire concept of frumkeit with their cultism. How could we ever look our daughters in the eye again if these women are permitted to remain within the community, much less be made out as some sort of perverse heroines?
This was truly a case of all parties involved being wrong by all definition of halacha and community expectations of conduct. That message need be conveyed loud and clear if the healing process in the community is to begin. This really could only have happened at KNH, because only in our community was all responsibility of common sense and halachic observance thrown to the wind as hefker. What happened was inevitable, in retrospect. It was simply a question of whether it would be sexual or financial scandal.
December 24th, 2006 at 8:42 pm
Kish Mich, There is a lot to the story that you are missing. First of all, many of the victims did not have sex with him. But when they refused, he methodically attempted to destroy their lives - by attempting to block a get, by attempting to have their kids kicked out of yeshiva, by attempting to get some of them fired from their jobs. And those that did sleep with him, you can’t call it mutually consensual when he threatened to have their children removed from their custody, or have them institutionalized or arrested. And you suggested that they should have gone to the police. Well some did. And many did not because the Tendlers portrayed themselves as a powerful mafia type family and threatened anyone who messed with them. I don’t believe that you would claim that the Tendlers weren’t capable of almost anything in order to protect the “family.” KNH got a taste of it from them in the last few months, and that was when he was already weakened by the mailings and the lawsuit that was filed.
Also, why would you attack Vicki or anyone else for a physical condition? Just argue the points. Do you attack people who have cancer or diabetes when you argue with them? And do you have perfect physical characteristics. It’s immature and uncalled for to behave that way, and I’m sure most of the folks at KNH would not stoop to such tactics.
December 24th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
To Kish Mich,
In next few days, we are prepared to start revealing parts of the RCA report that prompted their decision to oust MT from their organization.
You will clearly see, That Mordy threatened and applied tremendous pressure on the women to cohabit with him ….
You will actually learn that MT caused the breakup of countless marriages and loss of their financial security and even their children.
You will actually learn that MT is one of the most evil Rabbis in the History of the Jewish People!
You will actually learn that he told woman to violate basic precepts of our Holy Torah!
If anyone had any doubts, that MT is one sick individual, you will learn in the next few days what this Man caused to families and to our community!
December 24th, 2006 at 10:37 pm
Gillian Sinclair, a former member of Tendler’s shul, said she talked to the Rabbinical Council of America - which eventually expelled Tendler - “not to destroy a man or his family but to stop the abuse that was going on.”
“He’s calling, wanting to see me, wanting to come over, offering to bathe me,” she said. “I couldn’t say what I’d say to any other man pressuring me in that kind of situation - the rabbi was in a position of power.”
December 24th, 2006 at 10:43 pm
‘Twas the night before Pesach and all through the ‘hood,
everyone’s saying the “Rabbi’s no good!”
They speak in the street, in their homes, in the stores,
how the rabbi treated all these women like whores.
They speak on their cell phones, in the mikvah they shmoozed
about all of the women the Rabbi had screwed.
It seems that the Rabbi had snuck into the beds,
of the orthodox women who covered their heads.
Some with kercheif, some with cap,
and some with real hair from some poor Indian sap.
All of a sudden out comes a newsflash.
Susie’s new issue spouting more trash.
The rabbi is innocent, his character sterling,
(She forgets what the Rabbi was doing erev Yom Kippur morning)
It wasn’t Rabbi Tendler, with his pure and lofty soul,
It was all done by the man, from the grassy knoll.
It was all a plot, the greatest conspiracy,
made up by the midwives, Adina, and Esty.
A foul attempt to run the man out of town,
(She doesn’t explain why his fly’s always down.)
The Tabloids made it up, for reader fascination,
That’s Susie’s excuse for character assassination.
The women he counseled, she says they all lied,
but why was there a noise maker, by his office outside?
The RCA kicked him. The Rabbis Proclaim,
“The man is a liar! The man has no shame!”
His hechshers no good, he cannot be trusted,
not on hot dogs, not on buns, not even on mustard.
In every woman he counseled, he tried to sink it.
If he gave a hechsher on water, I wouldn’t drink it.
He claimed his matzahs were better, there’s mamash no other,
because no-one else bakes matzah while doing your mother.
His cholent the best, you ever had in your life,
while checking the beans, he was doing your wife.
I never dreamed it could happen, it makes me so sick,
to find out my Rabbi is really a prick.
“On all the women, On whom he played out his taivahs,
on Adina, on Sharie, on “victims”, “survivors”
“A leave of absence”, they asked him to take,
“I’m the Rabbi! Go jump in the lake!”
He replied with anger, Their power to flout.
“Have it your way. Just get the hell out!”
The board told the Rabbi when they were first sued,
The Plaintiff complained his power he abused.
Hazmanas were sent, swiftly with care
in the hopes that a bais din would soon clear the air.
He took them to bais din, then to hedge all his bets,
He also took them to court like a regular shaigetz
Tommorow night by the seder will sit, all the New Hempstead citizens.
and To Mordechai Tendler they’ll say loud and clear, good bye, get lost, and good riddance.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:41 pm
I haven’t stopped laughing from the previous quote. Very clever and talented.
December 24th, 2006 at 11:56 pm
Great poem …And to all a Good Night.
Hey Kishy,
Down boy! Did I tell you to leave the women alone?
It’s all aboout the “RABBI”.
December 25th, 2006 at 12:28 am
I dont believe that Kish Mich is equating the two culpabilities of MT and the women on an even plane, and I certainly am not doing that. But they are guilty of significant sin that breaks all boundaries of what we teach our daughters. Once we deny that fact as well, all is lost as a community and as a shul. It is utter foolishness for Vicki Polin or anyone else to attempt to portray them as victims, and vile to portray them as heroes.
I agree the focus now is on the new Rabbi, who should be a normal respected rov that we can all look up to without running the risk of anyone, for any reason, mistaking for someone with power, authority over us, or hints of Shabtai Zvi messianism. We need a nice, normal, Rabbi with zero personality who is well respected by his peers and never confused with being a leader or moral authority over anyone. And preferably much younger than ourselves, because the only way we are all going to rebuild this neighborhood (and sell these homes) is to new couples with new blood who were never involved in any of OUR scandal (and I include all of us in that culpability) and can walk into shul and supermarket heads held high. I know I can’t anymore.
December 25th, 2006 at 7:55 am
To anonymous 10:14… LOL, or should I say HO, HO, HO!?
December 25th, 2006 at 8:38 am
To the poster who wrote:
“In next few days, we are prepared to start revealing parts of the RCA report that prompted their decision to oust MT from their organization.”
I want to strongly urge that this document remain confidential. I think it would be vitally important for everyone to consult with an attorney prior to making this document public. It could be grounds for a law suit between the survivors of Tendler and the RCA. Remember the survivors provided testimony believing what they disclosed would remain confidential. Unless you have written permission from all the survivors who provided testimony, I would refrain from making their testimony public. Remember you need to put the wishes of the Tendler survivors before your own.
December 25th, 2006 at 9:02 am
The RCA report is no longer confidential, Vicki!
The RCA report was given to Judge Leibowitz and it was public record for atleast one complete week. We obtained this report during that week. The Tendlers’ asked the Judge to issue a gag order on the RCA report, this injunction is now off!
There was plenty of testimony, indeed from the survivors who actually asked that their testimony be made public for the purpose of getting rid of this maggot called Tendler.
you write “Remember you need to put the wishes of the Tendler survivors before your own.”
I dont have any wishes … I put my life on the line defending these women, I think it is now time to obey the wishes of those people who faught so hard to bring MT down..
to reveal to all THE PEOPLE OF NEW HEMPSTEAD what a big scroundel Mordy was.
The “survivors” can no longer hide behind the curtain of confidentially.
In order to finish this job, and make sure that other people do not get hurt by this “menuvel” we will print parts of the RCA report …
If the “survivors” choose to sue us …. Bring it on!
December 25th, 2006 at 9:15 am
Just black out the women’s names, similar to what they do when a government releases a previously classified document. Then release the actual report page by page, little by little to select people in Monsey and all members of Community Synagogue of Monsey.
Just like was done with the little letters about MT that was disseminated at CSM last week.
If this is about the surviviors then it should seem obvious that they would want Mordy to be finally run out of town. It seems Mordy is still intent on staying in Town, so what better way to rid us of his presence than by showing the “real goods” finally.
Long Live NHN, may you be blessed in your avodas hashem.
December 25th, 2006 at 9:22 am
NHNews -is this some kind of ego trip for you?
What do you really want to accomplish?
December 25th, 2006 at 9:35 am
Vicki Polin has nothing to add to this issue and she should be ignored.
The RCA report is fair game. In fact, before he was fired Tendler openly offered for anyone from KNH to read it (sitting at his dining room table, of course).
NHN, I am told that there is at least one photo of Tendler holding hands with S outside of an NJ hotel. (I am told that there is also a video of S entering Tendler’s house wearing a shaitel; a few moments later Michelle leaves the house and a while later S leaves the house wearing a snood. This video is hardly conclusive. But why would a woman be alone with Tendler and leave with different head covering than she arrived with? Maybe her shaitel got a bit dissheveled during their “meeting”?)
A picture is worth a thousand words, so they say. Perhaps it is time to publish more than just the RCA report?
December 25th, 2006 at 12:02 pm
In a decision and order dated November 22, 2006, the Honorable Supreme Court Justice Richard Leibowitz of the Rockland County Supreme Court denied the application for a preliminary injunction in the derivative lawsuit brought by Morris Esformes, Harry and Eileen Grossman, Jeffrey and Netzana Friedman, Gabriel M.O. and Osnat Mizrachy Nacca, Joyce Simon, Jack and Sheila Schranz, and Simon and Lori Zarour.
The injunction sought, inter alia, to reinstate Tendler as the rabbi of Kehillat New Hempstead, and to prevent the hiring of a new rabbi, and the changing of the name of the synagogue.
This application was denied in large part because the secular Court would, to afford this relief, have had to examine and adjudge religious questions.
Thereafter, on December 1, the plaintiffs filed a Notice of Appeal with the higher appellate court called the Appellate Division for the 2nd Department.
Then, certain of the plaintiffs purportedly filed an ex parte application with this Appellate Division to grant the relief that Justice Leibowitz denied. Interestingly, missing from the caption of this motion was JEFFREY & NETZANA FRIEDMAN and SIMON AND LORI ZAROUR. In other words of the 12 original plaintiffs, one third or four of them appeared to have been dropped, leaving eight total.
This application to the Appellate Division was not supported by an affidavit or affirmation of any of these eight remaining plaintiffs; it was not even supported by Rabbi Tendler, himself. Instead, it was supported by an affirmation of Michelle Tendler.
Without even going into the affirmation, this raises some interesting questions.
One, did the remaining eight plaintiffs even know of the application to the Appellate Division, and if so, why weren’t their sworn or affirmed statements used? Two, did they give their consent to have this application made? Three, why are the Friedman and Zarour names missing? Did they refuse to consent to this application, and, in fact, did they ever consent to lending their names to this derivative lawsuit? If not, how did their names end up as plaintiffs in the first place?
Four, by the fact that Mrs. Tendler is the only one supporting this application, does this mean she was the moving force behind this derivative suit? If the opportunity ever presents itself, it is worth asking her if she was the one behind this derivative lawsuit in the first place, and how did the plaintiffs end up becoming the plaintiffs? It is worth pointing out in this regard that in paragraph 4 of her affirmation, she writes, “We, the Congregation in exile, have waited patiently for the court to decide the motion challenging the wrongful take-over of KNH by a small minority of disgruntled members and non-members. ” This would seem to indicate that Mrs. Tendler is a member of the congregation. So why wasn’t she made a plaintiff?
Fifth, and lending doubt to the aforeknowledge and/or consent of the remaining plaintiffs to this application is Mrs. Tendler’s statement in paragraph 7 of her affirmation. There, she writes, “Many of the members are disheartened by the court’s unwillingness to accept jurisdiction of the claim that the board had no authority to fire the Rabbi. They are asking the Rabbi to move back into the synagogue and resume conducting services and other normal activities there.” Question: why didn’t any of these members, presumably some of whom are plaintiffs in the derivative suit, express their discontentment in affidavits or affirmations to this application? In my opinion, this is most suspicious.
Sixth: Michelle then, in my opinion, makes a complete ass of herself by stating again in paragraph 7 that, “We have no doubt that the defendants will engage in violence, as they did when we were sharing the synagogue with them.” This is a bald faced lie. No violence was ever done. Peaceful protest, yes. But, never violence.
Because the notice of appeal was dated December 1, 2006, and because the supporting affirmation of Michelle Tendler was dated December 7, there was plenty of time to contact each of the remaining eight plaintiffs to get their affirmations or affidavits to support the aforementioned application to the Appellate Division, that was ultimately denied.
Now, with Justice Leibowitz’s decision and order dated December 19 dismissing the complaint in the related breach of contract matter in the action of Tendler versus Bais Knesses New Hempstead, it is incumbent to get answers to the above questions.
December 25th, 2006 at 12:16 pm
Please be aware by naming survivors on this blog may back fire on everyone. If we want those who have been sexually manipulated/assaulted/abused to come forward in other cases, and they see what is happening here — they may choose to keep their abuse a secret.
I do understand that all members of KNH have been manipulated and victimized by Tendler. You all have a right to have your voices heard. Yet doing this at the expense of the women who were obviously manipulated into sexual contact with someone who provided them spiritual counseling is wrong. These women deserve to be treated as rape victims. Please read the following post called “The Cost of Abuse.”
If you choose to make the report public please back out the names of the women and anything that would identify them. If you don’t, the next sexual predator may be able to get away with this sort of behavior.
December 25th, 2006 at 12:18 pm
The Cost of Abuse
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Sometimes, people don’t realize the degree of harm that is caused when a person is sexually/emotionally exploited by a “trusted helping professional” (mental health, medical, clergy, law enforcement, teacher, coach, etc.). Time after time, in news articles, the focus is on the professional’s “misconduct”. This abuse isn’t just a theoretical ethical “no no”. There’s another side to each of these “professional misconduct” stories which is usually glossed over… the victim’s story. Victims pay a tremendous price for this abuse, emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, socially, sexually, physically, and financially. It’s no wonder that an increasing number of States are criminalizing this abuse, as a serious felony offense and professional codes of ethics prohibit this abuse. This is NOT a victimless crime. When you encounter these stories of abuse, ask yourself a question: “What about the victim?”
The Question:
Having been sexually/emotionally exploited by a helping professional, what has been the ‘cost’ of this abuse? What has it taken from you?
The Answers:
* Words are insufficient to explain the cost of this exploitation on my life-and to my family, friends, subsequent therapy, etc. I try to write this over and over and I cannot find the words that convey my sorrow, grief, betrayal, anger, etc.
* I lost my identity. My sense of who I am was shattered.
all faith in fellow Christians in general, 9) the clergy in particular.
* I lost all hope of recovering from childhood sexual abuse.
* I lost any hope that safety exists anywhere on this earth.
* I lost my connections to important people in my life- due to the extreme isolation.
* I lost the few good feelings I had about my body.
* I lost 99.9% of everything meaningful in life: trust, faith, value systems, 2 babies’ lives, motherhood, family, friends, career, and a nearly successful attempt on my own life
* The abuse was a re-enactment of childhood abuse and It re-traumatized me to the core.
* He took my dignity and self-respect.
* He also took my ability to be physically close to and sexually intimate with my husband and my ability to go to Church without feeling sick to my stomach.
* I can honestly say that although sex was a regular part of my experience, 90% of the damage came from the long term emotional and verbal abuse.
* He has taken from me my trust in male doctors.
* He took my innocence, my love, and almost my soul.
* He has taken my peaceful nights of sleep - I still wake up with nightmares, and in tears.
* He did not take my integrity, my fire, or my spirit — but if he would have been able to keep exploiting me, I’m sure he would have sucked every ounce of self respect out of my being. And called it love.
* Flashbacks awake… Nightmares asleep…He took away my definition of who I am.
* He ROBBED me of my courage, my trust in others, confidence in my own judgment and past healing by re-enacting the prior abuse.
* Sex was the weapon or means used to abuse us emotionally and spiritually.
* This abuse has cost me my friends and my family who just don’t understand.
* His abuse has cost me my freedom, my rights, my privileges, my trust in others and the mental health profession; and my freedom to be who I am.
* It cost me valuable years of my life, when I felt incapacitated to enjoy life or to be a vital member of a family consisting of members who needed me.
* It cost me the sense of being capable of protecting myself, of solving problems for myself. I realized I was unable to know soon enough what was profoundly dangerous to me, nor did the experience teach me how to do that other than by withdrawing from the world.
* It cost me my sense of who I was, of well-being, and hopes and dreams for the future.
* The experience placed me outside cultural expectations, leaving me with feelings of profound confusion. At the same time it separated me from important others as it was an experience beyond what those near and dear to me could comprehend.
* He stole away my faith that there is good in the world. I don’t know who I can trust any more, now that I’ve learned that the people I am “supposed” to trust CANNOT be trusted.
* I’ve lost my church, all of my friends, all of my support at a time when I needed them the most. I have to deal with this violation alone.
* She stole from me my faith in the office of rabbi, and the failure of the movement’s leadership, also rabbis, to respond in a just and healing way has destroyed my faith in my chosen religion and very nearly my faith in God.
* I’ve lost my ability to do the work I loved.
* I’ve lost the ability to take care of my house and yard; I’m not a good ‘mother’ to my cats anymore.
* I’ve lost all the waking hours from every day in my attempts to achieve justice and to heal; I’ve lost all the sleeping hours from every night to nightmares.
* I’ve lost my energy and motivation for life.
* I lose many many thousands of dollars every year in lost income and in healing expenses.
* The very foundations of all I held dear and sacred were undermined. The very principles I had grounded my life on were ripped out from under me, hurling me into dark chaos.
* I lost my church, my friends, my support network, my ability to trust, my faith, and my sense of who I was.
* I was injured to the core, at every level of my being. It nearly cost me my physical life as well. I am determined to reclaim my life, and raise good out of the ashes of evil.
* My mind shattered, and picking up the pieces and putting them back together may take a lifetime.
* He stole my personhood, and never gave it back. I thought I was going to be healed, but instead I was wounded almost to death. I ended up in the hospital despairing of life again and again.
* It made me realise the difference between church and God! I lost church, but not God. I lost trust in the clerical collar. It hurt to my very core. I feel bruised, discarded, ignored, violated, angry. I lost, but also gained . . . my soul, my God.
* It is now terrifying to ask for help from any mental health professional. I have to go to the profession that devestated me for help. It is an impossible double-bind.
* I lost the joy in my life, my ability to trust myself and others, faith in God, my inner strength, respect for the church, my identity.
* I lost belief in myself. I told myself that I could handle him, that I could stay out of danger, but I couldn’t. I lost my self-determination and personal feelings of power.
* I have lost my sense of relationship with God and Christians. For most of my life, God was my Source of strength, courage and unconditional acceptance. Because the abuse was from someone who represented God to me, my feelings of shame and betrayal have separated me from this Source. And so many “Christians” don’t or can’t understand…
* It has cost me trust. I has made me wear a frown on my face and have a suspicious look in my eye.
* It has cost me my innocence, my ability to think wonderful of life.
* It has cost me myself. Who am I? I don’t know. The “me” has been lost. Never to be seen or heard from again. Just plain gone. Now, I just “be” what everyone else wants me to be…..whatever, whomever that is.
* It has cost me my marriage, my family, my financial security, my trust in others, my sense of safety in the world, my sense of Self, my ability to feel joy, my desire to truly live.
* Most importantly, the abuse by my therapist has caused me to lose my belief in the God that I had always embraced, faith in something bigger than myself, hope that there will be more beyond this life. The man who was supposed to care for me has robbed me of my life and I am left with a hole where my heart once was.
* It has cost me and still costs me the joy in my life. I still harbor hopes that he truly loved me and that someday it will all work out.
* It cost me the ability to think and trust my own rationality, my own intuition. He always said my intuition about his feelings for me were right on target… are they? Can I ever trust myself again?
* It took the reality out my life and replaced it with false hopes, false images of myself and others. I no longer function with the hope that I can be something different, but rather must accept the trash I have become because of our relationship!
* It cost me 1) my sense of God as a presence and factor in people’s actions, what kind of God did this man profess to follow, 2) my church family, 3) most of my friends, 4) my good name, 5) my self respect, 6) the thought that I have a clue about peoples intentions and motives, 7) the trust of my husband and
* When I go out now, I almost always encounter at least one person who gives me that “oh you’re THAT woman” look, and some men feel that they now have a right to hit on me because if I would sleep with my minister then why not them. So many things about me have changed due to this I don’t have the time or enough space to list them all.
* The cost of abuse: Incalculable. Costs you the tiny bit of self-respect you had, your ability to trust/love anyone, including yourself, your soul. Your minute will to live.
* He shattered me, leaving permanent shards of glass in my psyche.
* I became spiritually, emotionally, and morally bankrupt. He took away my reasons to live. I’ve had to learn to live my life all over.
* He conspired to discredit me, and his brutal abuse ended up costing me the loss of my hospital. He is a deviant Registered Nurse, and he continues to provide “services” to female patients. What will he cost our society?
* My priest discarded me after he took away dignity, my integrity, my sense of spiritual wholeness. He left me with pain, terror, nightmares, shame and self-loathing.
* I feel like I am terminated. I was controlled, and then deleted. If I committed suicide, I would only be finishing the job he started.
* She was my coach, my mentor. Because of her I have lost my innocence, relationships with the people I love, my goals for the future, my spiritual wholeness, and all ability to be independent. She gained my complete love only to leave me broken and alone.
December 25th, 2006 at 12:50 pm
The names of those women who gave testimony to the RCA and the Presidium Report will be blacked out when the report is released.
However, the report was given to Teichman’s Board when he was President and to Daniel Schwartz. The report is fair game, and the Tendlers openly spoke about the report. There are countless individuals who have had access to the report both by the Tendler family themselves and various past and present members of KNH.
If you do not want the report released do whatever is in your means to rid the general Monsey community of this chilul hashem. Including preventing him from giving shiurim anywhere in Monsey. Rid this Town of him once and for all.
The game begins. Round II has already been put into motion.
December 25th, 2006 at 12:57 pm
At KNH’s membership meeting last night it was reported that Grossman, Nacca, Simon, and Schranz, will be issued a Seruv Bais Din by Wednesday if they do not appear at Bais Din.
Who will save these poor souls now. Mordy ? Morry ? Yacav ? (anyone notice hes kept really quiet lately ????) Reb Dovid ? Reb Reuven ? Oh how they have been duped.
I heard that there is very solid evidence to prove they never had the right to take anyone to Civil Court. KNH seems very very eager to get them into Bais Din.
Where will they run to when they have to fork up hundreds of dollars for a Yeshivas Bais Din.
Harry Harry why you bugging ???????????
December 25th, 2006 at 1:04 pm
I wonder about Michelle:
- How long is she planing to turn a blind eye to what was going on?
- How could she collaborate with his baseless lawsuits?
- How can she try and defend his actions?
At this point she can’t hide behind “I didn’t know…” defense OR
She should be held a partner-in-crime. Another possibility: She
could use some serious deprogramming. Obviously the woman
is one more Zombie under Mordi’s spell.
December 25th, 2006 at 1:29 pm
I am in total agreement with Viki Awareness Center Polin.
The women’s names must be untold unless they choose to go public.
I wish that this was the last case… How do you expect anyone else
to step to the plate and testify, if they worry about being identified?
How would you feel if all the bloggers were identified?
and their case is much more severe. They need their privacy and our
thanks. Without their testemony we would still have the Tendler’s
as “Gedoley Ha Dor.”
December 25th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Jeff- Michelle Tendler signed an affadavit on the derivite case in which she is not a Plaintiff ?? Why didn’t Grossman or one of the other idiots sign something to the effect on how they were damaged. That seems very strange.
December 25th, 2006 at 2:53 pm
Michelle is not a victim, and she is not under anyone’s spell and never has been. We seem to be crippled by a double standard in the community when discussing someone wearing a skirt and shaytel as opposed to the men.
Michelle sold her soul long ago for the enormous wealth and power that came with the Messiah business in KNH, and she is going to defend that money machine to the bitter end.
Victim in need of deprogramming? That is so sad. Michelle was always in this for the wealth and power. Period. And still we are so blind that we cannot see.
December 25th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
I’m with Vicki as well. The women testified to the RCA under condition of anonymity. Not because they were cowards, but because they had suffered enough and wanted to get on with their lives, and also did not want to endanger themselves unneccessarily. Do we really want to violate their trust AGAIN by leaking their names?
And if you really believe that Mordy is as deranged as you claim-are you really going to put a dozen women in harm’s way of a vengeful psychopath?
December 25th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
The RCA report will be published very soon piece by piece, we will not devulge the names of the women … but the report will IY”H be published ….
I decided after having a meeting with myself, that at this time it would be a “Toeles” to reveal the evilness of this man Tendler.
He is still in Town and plans to stay…
It is true that Phase II to get Tendler to leave Monsey has already begun. This phase will continue on a weekly basis until March of this year when Phase III will IY”H kick in!
December 25th, 2006 at 5:20 pm
to:
New Hempstead News who says: “we will not devulge the names of the women … but the report will IY”H be published”
My comment:
Bravo, wise decision.
December 25th, 2006 at 5:52 pm
NHN has meetings with “HIMSELF”? It sounds like he has multiple personalities. NHN should ask Rabbi Schabbes and Rabbi Ciner if it is “Toelis” to publish the report. By the way, I don’t care if MT is in town or not, any woman who goes to him now deserves him. I actually feel sorry for SS, she looks like she has gone nuts altogether. Nebach.
December 25th, 2006 at 7:14 pm
I dont need to ask Rabbi Schabbos or Rabbi Cinner anything, I have a psak from Harav Wosner Shlitah signed by both Rabbi Schabbos and Rabbi Cinner to actually publicize everything about Tendler. The only issue I have is that some of the information that I have, will also hurt others, so I have to be very carefull!
I have to stop posting now, because I am still in a meeting with myself!
To Anoymous Dec 24, 10:43
I read the “Zemiros” that you wrote, but to what tune do I sing it to?
December 25th, 2006 at 7:22 pm
It is not sung, NHNuts, it is just like Twas the night before Christmas. Hey, why don’t you ask “Harav” wosner “Shlitah” what tune to sing it to? Isn’t he your “Rebbe”?
December 25th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
NHN is smart enough to know that the clever poetry was like Twas the night before X-mas. He is playing around, why are there so many of you that don’t understand sardonic humor? Man! And what a ridiculous comment - “Isn’t he your rebbe”? We finally found some rabbis to help with the case, it doesn’t make them our rebbeim. There were numerous rabbis that were wimps and that’s why we had to take things into our own hands!
December 25th, 2006 at 9:44 pm
LOL, I am just teasing NHN, I like to get a rise out of him. Don’t worry, I am one of the good guys! I find this blog very amusing when I am bored.
December 25th, 2006 at 10:05 pm
1st installment of RCA reort has already been published on NHN
See ...
December 26th, 2006 at 12:45 am
What a joke. I could type stuff in just as well.
Scan the documents.
Block the names.
This is as much credibility as usual for this blog.
December 26th, 2006 at 6:11 am
STOP EXPLOITING THE VICTIMS OF TENDLER.
DO NOT POST THE RCA REPORT!!
SURVIVORS WENT TO THE RCA AND ASSURED IT WAS CONFIDENTIAL.
VICTIMS HAVE A RIGHT TO CONFIDENTIALITY.
YOU HAVE EXPLOITED VICTIMS ENOUGH.
USE YOUR OWN RESOURCES IF YOU WANT TENDLER OUT.
YOU SPENT ALL THIS TIME EXPLOITING AND BETRAYING THE VICTIMS INSTEAD OF USING YOUR OWN LEGAL RESOURCES YOUR OWN IDEAS. INSTEAD OF PROTESTING AND SWAYING THE RABBIS WHO SUPPORT HIM, THE COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS TENDLER; IT’S NEVER ENOUGH FOR YOU THAT YOU USE AND EXPLOIT THE VICTIMS. YOU JUST DO SO MORE & MORE.
WHAT EVER YOU HAVE DONE IT’S NOT BEEN ABOUT THE VICTIMS.
YOU HAVE NEVER HELPED THE VICTIMS ONLY YOURSELVES.
YOU WILL NOT GET WHAT YOU WANT
AS YOU HAVE AND CONTINUE TO EXPLOIT VICTIMS.
TENDLER HASN’T MOVED OUT OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND THIS WON’T PERSUADE HIM
AS IT WILL ONLY HURT THE TENDLERS SURVIVORS.
EXPLOITING AND BREAKING VICTIMS/SURVIVORS CONFIDENTIALITY WILL RESULT IN THEM NOT ONLY STOPPING GOING TO AUTHORITY BUT NOT GOING FURTHER TO PROTECT THEIR LIVES.
YOU HAVE ALREADY PREVENTED VICTIMS FROM FURTHER ACTION OF GOING FORWARD FROM THE WAY YOU EXPLOIT THEM AND POST ALL YOUR SLANDER OF VICTIMS WHO HAVE
December 26th, 2006 at 6:56 am
I agree. Scan the documents and block out the names. You can host the images on imageshack for free and post the links on your blog along with your personal comments.
December 26th, 2006 at 8:07 am
To Anonymous 12:45
Everything is a Joke to you if you want to believe the pervert. So far everything we posted is true!
December 26th, 2006 at 8:36 am
Anon 12:45
If you have any doubts about the NHN posts, why don’t you call Michelle Tendler and ask her if you can take a peek at the full RCA report.
Michelle has the report eventhough her cheating husband told the world that he never received a copy, he suddenly produced it at the TRO hearing and asked the Judge to keep a gag order on it!
December 26th, 2006 at 8:39 am
To Anonymous 12:45 - You are going to feel so stupid when one day you see the entire document and it matches. If NHN was going to fake the report, it would have sounded a lot smoother and juicier. Go to your friend Tendler and ask him to see the report and compare it.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:19 am
Why not publish the section of the RCA report part where MT is interviewed at the offices of Arnold Kriss in NYC, with Michelle present as well on September 12, 2004 ?
(BTW- Didn’t poor MT at the Love Fest meeting at KNH last year, say that he was never interviewed face to face by the Presidium ??)
Such as the following questions that were asked of MT:
Q. Do you do any counseling?
A. I don’t do any counseling. Not psychological counseling. I do teachings. I tell people “If you have psychological problems, see a psychiatrist or a psychologist”. Eventhough I do have 18 hours of psychological training.
Q. You don’t do any marraige counseling ?
A. It’s like miniature court cases. I keep the Monsey psychologists in business. But if you have questions about ethics, I’ll help.
Q. Like what ?
A. Like which in-law to go to for the holidays. My system, if you follow it, miniature court cases will work. We mediate each problem separately. Eventually, they run out of things to argue about.
Q. Do you work in Jewish divorce ?
A. No. I don;t know how. I guess I could do it if I were on a desert island and had to. Largely, average orthodoz familes go to lawyers. Then it comes to the rabbi.
Q. Do you play a role in helping with “Gets” ?
A. No. I refer all of that out. Theres one thing, “agunati” where a women whose husband has disappeared or won;t give her a divorce. This is a very serious problem. There are two Rabbis in America who are involved. One public. One not. I’m not the public one. The public Rabbi, Rabbi Rachman has a way of annuling marraige, but people shied away from this. early on, I explained to him the mistake he was making in Jewish Law and said I’d help him. My grandfather gave annulments but not as many as Rabbi Rachman. I will only take a case if it comes to me through another Rabbi.
Q. Do you have women who study with you privately ?
A. No. Only one. One person confided in me that she was having an affair with a Turkish Sufi. I said “I can’t meet woth you psychologically, but I could talk to you about ethics.” So we met several times. Then her husband asked me to speak about yoga since his wife was so into that. He wanted me to make a point that Jews should see Jewish yogis. For that, I’ve been accused of saying that going outside of the religion for yoga caused marital problems for this couple. But the day I spoke about this, she and her husband weren’t even there. I was just trying to teach the person not to have an affair. She’s coming to me to save her from cardinal sin. Its not logical that she’d accuse me of seducing her.
Q. I’ve been told that one of the individuals who has made an allegation received an out-of-court settlement.
{Arnold Kriss interrupts and tells Rabbi Tendler not to say anything about that}
Q. Have you been stalked by congregants ? Sought legal help to prevent this ?
{Arnold Kriss takes the Tendlers out of the room to confer}
Q. Have you felt stalked ?
A. Yes. Thats public record. It’s a well known fact. I went to the DA. I have a copy of the complaints. This was ————–. She’s documented by the state to have “Borderline Personality” about 7 years ago.
Q. What did she do ?
A. She followed me around. Yelled names at me. She accused me of siding with her husband in the divorce.
Q. Were you involved in thier divorce ?
A. No.
Q. Did you do a mini-court for them ?
A. No. I refused. a year after she was thrown out of the Synagogue, she sid we had an affair. She was laughed out of Monsey.
Q. Did she threaten you phsically ?
A. Yes. She threw things, trashed my office, trashed the Synagogu. She threw books around. this was witnessed by someone else.
Interesting reading. Please let us know if you want to read more.
If people would like to read more, just let us know.
December 26th, 2006 at 10:45 am
Hey … slow down, I was going to get to that …
but I was thinking to trickle the info so that people would absorb the info
But hey, if you want it out faster, I’m game!
December 26th, 2006 at 10:48 am
I think NHN is right, do not post all right away, thats what the Tendlers would want, that it be out in one shot and be done with it …
this needs a few weeks process so that it is alway in the News!
December 26th, 2006 at 10:53 am
Sorry-
Just wanted people to see MT’s take on matters, you know how he spins things and lies.
BTW- When are the mailings going out ??
December 26th, 2006 at 10:54 am
Just saw a big pow-wow meeting at the Tendlers this morning, lots of cars!
Do you guys think that Tendler could be doing it in the basement, while everybody is upstaires shmoozing?
If so I would give him alot of credit. I understand he takes these kinds of risks!
December 26th, 2006 at 11:04 am
Still waiting for the scans and the recordings.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:08 am
Pow Wow at the Tendlers ?
Probably thinking about new ways to sue the KNH Board.
Or maybe how to prevent a Seruv Bais Din from being issued to Harry and Eileen Grossman, the Naccas, the Shranzs, and Joyce Simon.
Oh my, oh my !
December 26th, 2006 at 11:22 am
I can’t resist. I’m so so sorry.
Excepts from one of those interviewed by the RCA.
Q. What happened ?
A. He offered us marraige counseling. I don’t know everything people have said about him, but I know the rumors are true.
He pursued me for two years. The first time when my husband not only lived at home but was upstairs. I called him because I needed help with the house, and my husband wouldn’t help. I called the Rabbi to talk to him. The next thing I knew he was at the door. He said he’d do what my husband wouldn’t. He said he’d move furniture and help me get settled. He took off his coat and said he was ready to go. I was taken totally aback.
Q. Did you and your husband see the rabbi together or separately for counseling ?
A. We saw him separately many times. Together only about three times.
As far as our counseling went, and I heard this from others too, he was very two-faced. With my husband he’d say “shes crazy”. With me, then, he’d say the same thing. I saw him do this with another couple. I was in the other room, and I heard it. He’d tell the husband the wife was crazy, needed medicine, was a pitiful person. Then the wife would call with doubts, and the rabbi wouldn;t give her any information to calm her. He would just cast more doubt. It’s as if he needs people to need him. He’s totally unethical.
Q. Did he ever persue you ? Or make a pass at you ?
A. He has thousands of times. “Do you want to get a room/” I finally saidto him “Do you have money for that ?” That stopped him.
Q. Were you alone with him at these times ?
A. Yes, in his office with the door closed.
Q. Did the Rabbi ever give you gifts ?
Yes. I have all of them. He gave me a sugar cube from his grandfathers sugar bowl; and he gave me a ring, an ancient ring, what was years ago a wedding ring; a bottle of wine; a poem in Hebrew; and a music box.
You know I made a tape of him in the car.
Q. What did he say on the tape ?
A. He says he loves me. Can I come to his house. I’m going to hug and kiss you. What will you do ? I paid to have the tape cleaned up so you can understand all he says.
December 26th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
#1: Tendler never denied having the RCA report, AFAIK. It was leaked to Tendler shortly after it was released to the RCA. At the “love fest”, Tendler invited anyone from KNH who wanted to see it to make an appointment with Michelle and come over and read it at their dining room table.
#2: Tendler is a lair. He did lots of counseling. In fact, when the rabbi from YI of Spring Valley died, Tendler claimed to be the only remaining rabbi that did marital counseling. He required all the engaged couples from KNH to come to him for 4+ hours of counseling before the wedding.
#3: Tendler had private learning sessions with women. Even his current supporters don’t deny that. He had women who came to learn with him at his house in his study.
December 26th, 2006 at 3:43 pm
To the Anonymous waiting for the scans and recordings. We will all continue to post the way we have been - going through it carefully in order to omit the names and private revealing details of the victims. If you doubt the veracity, call up rabbis in the RCA and ask them if anything false has been reported regarding the excerpts of the report. Also, ask Tendler to see his copy. (Or call Tendler’s lawyers - ask them if anything false has been written in the excerpts.) Or ask Teichman - he had it, probably still does.
In terms of recordings - you will hear them when the women are ready to allow them to be released - or in a court of law.
You are not in a position to dictate to us what to release - and once again, your friends the Tendlers are very well aware that what we are releasing is the real thing.
So Phase II continues as we slowly release the report. PHASE III WILL BE WORSE. We will no longer allow our women and children to be raped, molested, seduced or sexually harassed. False prophets, cult leaders and sexual predators will not be tolerated in our community!
December 26th, 2006 at 4:12 pm
I am writing to express my great concern over the publication of the RCA report. Much of it contains statements and information that was shared by survivors and others in confidence, a confidence that is protected by halachic and legal principles, and, as I understand it, may require an official release in order to be shared. Posting their comments without their approval raises significant halachic, legal and moral issues. I am concerned that such publicity may compromise some of those who have already come forward, and may serve to silence others–in this case and others–from coming forward in the future. If those with complaints and allegations will fear that whatever they say will one day be made available in forums like this, they may be afraid to come forward altogether. Clearly, at some point, and at the discretion and direction of a Bet Din or court, an accused has the right to hear the charges against him and, in some way, challenge them and face his/her accussers. At such time, a survivor amy or may not choose to proceed. At that time, the Bet Din or court may determine just how public things should be.
It should be emphasized that the RCA did not release the report to anyone who is now posting it on the web.
I am not advocting “cover up.” Thse who know me, my writings, and my work through JSafe (www.JSafe.org) know that I fight cover-up and have advocated and supported public conversation about abuse and abusers/perpetrators (see “What to do with Abusive Rabbis: Halachic Considerations?”; “Are Blogs Kosher?”; “Let Them Talk: The Mitzvah to Speak Lashon Hara”; “The 411 on 911: “Reporting Jewish Abusers to the Civil Authorities”; and others at ....) But public discussion and sharing of information have to be done “smart” and sensitively and apporpriately.
We have achieved much in battling issues of abuse, violaence and assault in our community. We have much more to do in order to protect innocents, create accountability, and achieve justice. Let’s do it right.
December 26th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
A reminder, as we’ve already obtained a court order for our attorney fees, our Motion to set the amount for our Attorney Fees is scheduled for January 4, 2007 at 9:00 AM in the Superior Court of Californa, County of Santa Clara.
Currently, Mordecai Tendler is representing himself.
Feel free to pass that information on to the press and to ask them to attend court and read the public documents in our case. The press can contact our legal team for additional information.
Case Information
Number: 1-06-CV-064307
Title: Tendler Vs Doe
Category: Defamation - Unlimited
Filed: 5/24/2006 Disposed: 8/2/2006 Status: Post
December 26th, 2006 at 4:24 pm
Also in the main NY case against Tendler before Judge Jane Solomon, there is a prelimenary conference scheduled for January 8, 2007. It was adjourned twice previously.
A Notice of Inquiry is due January 17, 2007.
December 26th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
Even in the piece you released, the woman says she had the tape “cleaned”.
In a court of law, it’s not evidence any longer.
Release the “uncleaned” tape.
Sorry JWB in court, evidence talks. Bullshit walks.
As far as the case you were involved with. It was the civil liberties attorneys who did everything.
Despite your ego, it wasn’t about you or your favorite rabbi.
Where’s the beef?
December 26th, 2006 at 4:43 pm
So let’s see we also have (or will have shortly) from Team Tendler:
1) The appeal of the November 22, 2006, decision of the Honorable Supreme Court Justice Richard Leibowitz denying the application for a preliminary injunction in the derivative lawsuit.
2) The appeal of the appeal of the June 5, 2006 decision of Judge Solomon to deny dismissal of the main suit against Mordecai Tendler.
3) The appeal of the December 19, 2006 decision of the Honorable Supreme Court Justice Richard Leibowitz dismissing Mordecai Tendler’s Breach of Contract Lawsuit against Kehillat New Hempstead.
So Team Tendler has lost (or is losing) ALL court actions that it has brought or initiated.
December 26th, 2006 at 4:49 pm
>Even in the piece you released, the woman says she had the tape “cleaned”.
>
>In a court of law, it’s not evidence any longer.
Huh?
>Release the “uncleaned” tape.
Dude, both the originals and any “enhanced” copies of tapes will be made available in court along with expert reports and testimony as to the authenticity of the tapes.
ALL will be released in the courts as soon as Team Tendler ends its appeals and stall tactics.
>As far as the case you were involved with. It was the civil liberties attorneys who
>did everything.
>
>Despite your ego, it wasn’t about you or your favorite rabbi.
>
>Where’s the beef?
Dude, Team Tendler brought the court action AND my legal team beat them.
Team Tendler lost, game over.
December 26th, 2006 at 5:49 pm
Listen JWB, I love you but could you please stop it with the dude?? It reminds me of BS.
December 26th, 2006 at 5:56 pm
The Starr Report was released as one document. Perhaps all this stuff should be released at once, on its own website. It would stand as the historical document of what happened in New Hempstead.
December 26th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
You’ve asked for the “uncleaned version.” We’re all adults, we know where babies come from, so unlike the poser JWB (the only tapes he has access to are made by 3M) and unlike the double talking (dare I say tendlerish) NHN, here you go. Just keep this between us and don’t spread it around.
This is an accurate and certified transcript of a tape recording made on xx/xx/xx (date redacted to protect the identity of the women involved, all who were awake at some point on said date). The voices are that of an unemployed male (M) who used to control a tightly knit cult situated in an upstate New York village posing as a Jewish house of worship. The female voice is that of a nida.
M- You really are my favorite, you know. My closest. I’ve never said that to anyone, not even XXXXXX, my wife. Great move sneaking in with that wig on, I almost didn’t recognize you myself.
F- Am I special?
M- The most special.
F- Special how? Special handicapped special or special unique special?
M- D’oh!
F- You said you would be there for all my needs? You know, I still haven’t gotten married. I wish I could get married and have children, and live in a nice small house with a white picket fence, where the sun always shines and the bluebirds sing. That’s why I come to this shul where there is no one my age, no one really likes me, and not many singles live here.
M- Listen, you know that you are closed to finding a husband. In your current state, you’ll never find anyone with a heartbeat. That last guy we set you up with, the homeless double amputee with the skin ulcers, still calls me all pissed off about your date.
F- Golly, what am I to do?
M- Why don’t you let me open you up to the world?
F- That sounds great.
M- Listen, baby, I’m as close to the Lord as anyone. I’m the messiah, baby. I can open you up to these things. Opening up is very important. You wanna give it a try?
F- Of course I do.
M- Wait a sec (the sound of a noisemaker switch being turned on is heard, followed quickly by a door lock being turned and a phone being taken off the hook). OK, you believe I’m the messiah, right?
F- Yes, I know you are. Knock knock.
M- Huh?
F- Don’t I need to say knock knock before you open me up?
M- What are you a door? Listen, let me do the counseling here, this is no joke. Now, open up your blouse. See, I’m opening up my pants. This is how we start opening up. I think I’ll open up my tighty whiteys. Open up those bloomers or whatever the hell they are.
F- Is this tzneeoot?
M- Well the shades are drawn and no one can see, right? Its like if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there.
F- Good point. This opening up is fun!
M- We learn tzneeoot from cats. Do you know what we learn from dogs?
F- The reverse open me up?
M- Right!
The next 58 seconds will not be published because of their extremely explicit nature. Suffice to say that a loud, Moshiach is Coming! is heard just before some deep sighs.
There you have it folks, THE transcript that the machirs like NHN and JWB don’t want you to see or hear.
December 26th, 2006 at 6:46 pm
To the ignoramus who wants to produce the “uncleaned” tape. I have no idea which tape came first, second, or third, but uncleaned simply means that there was background noise and the voices were not loud enough - that becomes fine tuned. Any expert would be able to tell you in a court of law if a tape has been doctored.
Having said that - there are different women with tapes - and there are MANY types. How does anyone still live with your level of denial.
December 26th, 2006 at 8:00 pm
Please come to the wesley book store for tryouts for the new play, “Sex in the City(of NH), written by Kish Mich. Bring your underwear. I’ll bring the cats.
December 26th, 2006 at 8:04 pm
You dont have to go so far to wesley , you can go to 18 Bridle
December 26th, 2006 at 8:30 pm
Do you mean OS (ohaiv sex?) People will be sure to “come” there….
December 26th, 2006 at 9:02 pm
Steven- why are you not posting protest publishing RCAs report? Is verifies that Canonist represents Kehillat New Hemstead only.
December 26th, 2006 at 9:17 pm
kike, kikey Kich Mish who is a fucken disgrace to the Jewish race
December 26th, 2006 at 9:23 pm
Kish Mich, kikey sharky attacks the innocent. should I shed tears for Kish Mish like huh whimpering sounds that its not fare he has no friends?. So successful you are blah blah your level gets all off this site. So obsessive you are with. Whats the matter your Rabbi Tendler didn’t kiss you enough? That yr first wife left you
December 26th, 2006 at 9:29 pm
Kish Mich, when did you first read the RCA report?
December 26th, 2006 at 11:09 pm
Merry Kish Mich and a Happy New Year
This blog is so Jewish.
December 26th, 2006 at 11:44 pm
no vile language, please!!!
December 27th, 2006 at 5:39 am
Kish Mish is Rabbi Mordecai Tendler
December 27th, 2006 at 5:42 am
NO Kish Mish is/was his lawyer. Or he acts for consultation purposes.
December 27th, 2006 at 5:45 am
That must mean Kish Mish is Tendlers Brother Yakov the lawyer from Baltimore
December 27th, 2006 at 5:48 am
No Kish Mish lives in New Hempstead
December 27th, 2006 at 5:50 am
Well he has information you can only know if you are as close as Tendler is to it, so I think he is Rabbi Mordecai Tendler
December 27th, 2006 at 6:06 am
“no vile language.” Oh that’s what you don’t do? Vile that you post and say nothing about the slander and slaughter comments about victims. Noone of you are righteous. A Orthodox Jewish world you are the dregs and are perishing every moment you speak like this. Every moment you invade the confidentiality of the victims who went privately to the RCA by posting RCA report. Dig yourselves more Judaism won’t be you in the future.
December 27th, 2006 at 8:31 am
I read the excerpt of the purported Praesidium-RCA interview with Tendler in the presence of his attorney Arnold Kriss. I particularly take exception to the following quote attributed to Tendler:
Q. Did you do a mini-court for them ?
A. No. I refused. a year after she was thrown out of the Synagogue, she sid we had an affair. She was laughed out of Monsey.
I believe I know this woman. I believe she is the same woman of whom I heard a tape of Tendler and her. If this is so, then in my opinion Mordecai Tendler is the one who should be laughed out of Monsey.
It is disheartening to live in this community where but for a few courageous rabbis, the majority hide their heads in the sand and still give him couvert. I feel like a Catholic witnessing the Church cover up of pedophilia by priests.
I was the one with the placard who with newspaper articles, the Marmelstein complaint, the newspaper articles attached and other material wore it in shul while Tendler was the rabbi there to the disdain of my fellow congregants. The sign was not large, but I was told it was inappropriate. But, I can tell you, it will be the size of a billboard sandwich sign, front and back if Tendler comes back as the rabbi of my synagogue.
You don’t have to be a saint, or even religious, to be disgusted at the numerous accusations and allegations hanging over Tendler. It is my opinion that Justice Leibowitz has seen what any reasonable person would conclude from all of this: a desperate man hiding behind his religion, but when his religion fails him, seeks aid and comfort from non-religious authority. Good for the secularists who reason that under our Constitutional frame of government where there is a separation of church and state, that Tendler and his vapid cronies should be denied relief.
But, how is this for irony. Tendler and his peons are trying to pierce this veil of separation of Church and State in the Rockland County suits while all the while he is using this same doctrine as a sword to protect his ass in the Marmelstein suit.
December 27th, 2006 at 8:31 am
I read the excerpt of the purported Praesidium-RCA interview with Tendler in the presence of his attorney Arnold Kriss. I particularly take exception to the following quote attributed to Tendler:
Q. Did you do a mini-court for them ?
A. No. I refused. a year after she was thrown out of the Synagogue, she sid we had an affair. She was laughed out of Monsey.
I believe I know this woman. I believe she is the same woman of whom I heard a tape of Tendler and her. If this is so, then in my opinion Mordecai Tendler is the one who should be laughed out of Monsey.
It is disheartening to live in this community where but for a few courageous rabbis, the majority hide their heads in the sand and still give him couvert. I feel like a Catholic witnessing the Church cover up of pedophilia by priests.
I was the one with the placard who with newspaper articles, the Marmelstein complaint, the newspaper articles attached and other material wore it in shul while Tendler was the rabbi there to the disdain of my fellow congregants. The sign was not large, but I was told it was inappropriate. But, I can tell you, it will be the size of a billboard sandwich sign, front and back if Tendler comes back as the rabbi of my synagogue.
You don’t have to be a saint, or even religious, to be disgusted at the numerous accusations and allegations hanging over Tendler. It is my opinion that Justice Leibowitz has seen what any reasonable person would conclude from all of this: a desperate man hiding behind his religion, but when his religion fails him, seeks aid and comfort from non-religious authority. Good for the secularists who reason that under our Constitutional frame of government where there is a separation of church and state, that Tendler and his vapid cronies should be denied relief.
But, how is this for irony. Tendler and his peons are trying to pierce this veil of separation of Church and State in the Rockland County suits while all the while he is using this same doctrine as a sword to protect his ass in the Marmelstein suit.
December 27th, 2006 at 8:53 am
“Kish Mich, when did you first read the RCA report? ”
I don’t understand why anyone would care what a group of men who make televisions and audio/video equipment, and whose symbol is a dog named Nipper sitting in front of an antique phonograph, would say. I find the RCA’s products to be substandard and generally avoid purchasing them. RCA has no idea what they are doing.
December 27th, 2006 at 8:57 am
Jeff, on a more serious note, I don’t think anyone objected to your form of protest, it was where you chose to protest that was in poor taste and bad judgment. This fight may be over the shul, but the shul is not the place for the fight. High-tail your lanky rear end down the road to his house and I’m sure you’ll be fine. Over there you can wear all the sandwich boards you want.
January 1st, 2007 at 4:34 pm
ALL PLEASE NOTE: M. Tendler Open Thread XI.