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Interview With Lee Bienstock

All after the jump. I could ask him some more questions later, when he gets off a plane, so if you’ve got any you think I’ve missed, let me know.

So, how do you feel?
“I feel great, honestly…it was an unbelievable experience…everyone’s telling me I carried myself very well…everyone’s pretty happy and pretty supportive.”
Is it tough to have lost?
“Losing…I’m a very competitive guy, and the experience last night was unbelievable…just to be on live television, just to be poised…and throughout the show, all the public relations, and the photography, and the interviews…it’s been like light speed for gaining experience.”
What’s the experience been like?
“One day I’m sitting at school, and the next day I’m recognizable all across the world…so it’s unreal.”
“We had about 500 people there at the Lawrence-Cedarhurst Firehouse for the party…the biggest crowd for a hometown party.”
To start off, is there anything that’s been out there in the articles or blogs about you that you’d like to correct or add to?
“You guys have been speaking to people who were really really close to me, and they really represented me well.”
At the conclusion of last night’s finale, “my grandfather rushed the stage…he missed my bar mitzvah but he came in for this…ran up to Mr. Trump and said ‘you made a big mistake, mister.’”
How have people responded to your appearance?
“I get e-mails and phone calls from people…of all different religions that are so happy that they have someone that’s out there that’s young who’s serving as a role model…from pastors, from rabbis, just all different people from different religions.”
What are some of the aspects of religious observance we didn’t get to see on the show?
“It was really, really tough keeping kosher…I lost 20 pounds. People look at me and I’m a skinny guy, and they wonder how I could’ve lost 20 pounds, but it was tough. They brought in kosher food for the suite, but when we’re on a task in the middle of New Jersey or somewhere, you can’t necessarily get kosher food.
“Sitting out for the tasks was not easy, obviously…Lenny was upset at the beginning, but by Yom Kippur he was good with it.”
“Some of the others fought about it, but we we were always fighting because it’s like you’re family. The eighteen of us are like a family…when we all got together it was like a kumbaya.”
“I understood why they were upset, that I didn’t participate the way I’d have liked to on those tasks, and I wanted to make up for it,” which is why he stepped up so often to be project manager.
What are some of the things about the show that you didn’t expect going in?
“I didn’t expect it to be that intense. I thought, ‘Y’know, I’ll go to Trump Tower and sell a couple pizza sandwiches…you really just don’t fathom or comprehend how rigorous it is; I didn’t expect it going in.”
“Production doesn’t have kosher food…certainly they were very very accommodating in the suite…I had to bring in instant soup…I definitely have a new appreciation for instant food.”
Do you think you’ll sign endorsement deals with any of the instant food companies whose products you were eating, like Tradition’s kosher soups?
“I could push so many instant soups and foods…they had these meals that they instantly get hot when you open them up…”
The La Briute meals
“Yeah, I lived on those things. Those meals, instant soups, salad and bread.”
“When you live in a suite, you’re expected to cook, and all I know how to make is spaghetti.”
What about Dan Brody, the other Orthodox candidate, who owned a restaurant?
“Dan brody’s a good cook, actually…he used to cook a lot of the meals.”
“You know that he and I are speaking this Shabbos at the Jewish Center.”
What are you going to talk about there?
“I’m particularly gonna speak about being young in business…team dynamics and office politics stuff, ‘cause I’m ‘The Politician’ now.”
“And there’ll be a lot of q&a, because people have lots of questions. They show you on TV, they show you brushing your teeth without your shirt off…people feel like they know you really well. I got hundreds of e-mails last night, I’ve just begun to sort through them.”
What are other areas in which your religious observance came up during the show?
“Well, basically you had the holidays of course. There were the little things like shul…we had to film the boardrooms earlier because of the holidays, so instead of 8:00 it was at 4:00. Going to shul and everything, it was really…it was a weird experience for me, because I’m used to going to shul with my family on Yom Kippur, on Rosh Hashana.”
Was your religious observance a frequent topic of conversation?
“There was always, always, always discussions going on about what’s kosher, what’s not kosher, why can you do this but you can’t do that. A lot of them didn’t really understand what Judaism was; they didn’t understand if it was a nationality or a religion. People sometimes had probably never even seen a Jew in their life…it was a learning experience for them. I learned a lot from living with them, too…I’ve had non-Jewish roommates in college, but this was different.”
What are some religious concerns that weren’t part of what was eventually broadcast?
“The kosher, they completely left that out…”
Were there any other areas of religious observance that came up besides kosher and the holidays?
“Not really, to be honest with you…a lot of stuff, if you’re not really looking for it, you don’t see it. Like prayer…I was really delicate, the way I handled everything…so in terms of prayer and things like that, I really kept that to myself.”
“But really, all the time, I was so hungry…[a potential theme for] any given episode was: Lee hasn’t eaten the entire time.”
Lenny Veltman said that Brent ate all your bagels; did that happen?
“Everything is marked in the suite…everything that’s kosher, and it’s marked pareve, meat, dairy. We had the bagels for me, it was marked ‘pareve’ and everybody was eating them. They kept asking [the production people] if they could eat pareve bagels…they thought pareve was a brand name, and when I came back, all my kosher bagels were gone. I didn’t make an issue out of it. If they didn’t have any steak and we had kosher steak, I’d let them have my kosher steaks.”
“They provided plenty of kosher food in the suite, but we spent so little time in the suite. They do bring kosher food in…they brought bagels…but when you’re spending forty-eight hours at a wal-mart, there’s nothing to eat…deep in new jersey, deep in queens, where it’d take a half-hour of driving back and forth to get kosher food, I stuck to the task, I kept it to myself, I didn’t complain once.”
Tell me about yourself and your religious perspective.
“I’m a very spiritual person…a lot of middle eastern customs…I wear a hamsa around my neck all the time…I’m really into including everybody, whether Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, or whomever, and that’s very important to me, because e tend to segregate, and it’s really self-defeating.”
“Just the values, principles…having high morals is really important to me.”
Where do you go from here?
“I have a ton of options right now…Mr. Trump told me to meet with him next week…we had an after-party after the show last night, and I got contacted by dozens of people…”
[Lee interrupts for a second to say hello to someone: “Bill’s on the line next to me…” at the airport, referring to the first season’s winner, Bill Rancic.]
“I just need to sift through everything…I’m going to be doing speaking engagements…writing a book.”
What will the book be about?
“Working under pressure.”
I asked some people on IM for some questions to ask you, some of them came from John Carney of the DealBreaker blog — by the way, do you read any business blogs, or other blogs?
“I started reading a couple of blogs for the show, that were talking about the show.”
Do you read DealBreaker?
“The book?”
No, it’s a business blog. Anyway, one of his questions is, do you think the show would have gone differently if there hadn’t been a popular vote?
“I don’t really think the popular vote played into it at all.”
“I think they made a big deal of my age at the end…made it out as though I have no experience, and I have a ton of experience…how could you cast someone who can’t win the show? The popular vote…I think if the popular vote was different, yeah, it could’ve gone the other way.”
He wants to know if you’ve seen anybody wearing ‘Vote for Lee’ t-shirts.
“Yeah, I’ve seen ‘Vote for Lee’ t-shirts…there were tons of signs in the audience last night and people wearing t-shirts everywhere.”
“People out there, they’re making a lot of other ‘Vote for Lee’ paraphernalia…a lot of people are selling a bunch of merchandise…people keep telling me that they’re making a lot of money off of me.”
Are you upset that they’re cashing in on you without including you in the cut?
“No, they’re being very supportive of me.”
Back to the religion issue, a lot of people took your unwillingness to talk about Summer in the first episode as a lashon hara lesson; do you think it should be taken that way?
“I think it definitely could be taken as a lashon hara lesson…I felt really uncomfortable talking about her behind her back.”
What are other ways your religious observance affects how you act in business?
“I think in terms of the way you conduct yourself, there’s always a way to cut corners, be a little corrupt, or attack people…I’m very upfront…I’m really grounded; when you have religion, it keeps you grounded. Also, having Shabbat at the end of the workweek is very helpful.”
A lot of the bloggers think you chose a bad team; how do you respond to that?
“Unfortunately, the way the show was edited, it came out that way. I had to pick Lenny…he was my first pick. If you give him something to do, he gets it done. Everyone has their moments, they happened to highlight a few of Lenny’s…they could’ve dogged out sean’s team…for whatever reason they chose to harp on my team…I picked a great team, I picked a diverse team.”
Another IMer wants to know if you’ve gotten any marriage proposals.
“I haven’t gotten any marriage proposals…”
When you saw Trump asking Sean if he’d marry Tammy, were you afraid he’d turn around and ask you the same question?
“That was like, y’know what, I didn’t get involved in any of that garbage…I never went on an interview where they asked you a question about whether you’re going to marry someone. I got really frustrated with that because I didn’t think it had anything to do with who he should choose. But the American public loves it, it’s a television show.”
Were you afraid that he was going to ask you the same question?
“What, that I’d marry Tammy?”
No, not that you’d marry Tammy — that’d you’d be getting married.
“I was not afraid about that at all…I introduced him to my girlfriend last night.”

23 Responses to “Interview With Lee Bienstock”

  1. norm depalma Says:

    nice kid
    but as i posted earlier,
    he screwed himself by 1) picking the hockey event even though he obviously knew little about hockey
    2) not going negative on sean’s obvious loserishness

    but u can tell trump loved him

  2. The Town Crier Says:

    Great job steve

  3. anon Says:

    how about the events on Shabbos & Shemini Atzeret

  4. Rob Says:

    Lee is lucky he even made it to the finals. He should have been voted off during his many absences. If you cannot do the entire show - Do Not sign up.

  5. loves to read Says:

    Very nice interview, SIW. Enjoyed reading it.

  6. afp Says:

    ask him about shabbos observance in the rutgers football game task…

  7. Tzvee Says:

    Story over. He lost.

  8. Scharmer Says:

    That is what Lee gets for picking a bad team. He shouldn’t have picked Lenny or Roxanne. Lenny was a disaster and Roxanne was useless. Pepi was the only pick of Lee that didn’t make a mess of things. If I were in Lee’s place, I would’ve picked the following candidates: Pepi, Michael, and Leslie. They would’ve done better.

  9. The Town Crier Says:

    contrary i think he would have done well with roxanne & allie (and lenny, who was a forgone conclusion)

  10. fairest Says:

    This was interesting, thanks. I think the reason Trump fired poor Lee is because the kid couldn’t decide if he was a “city kid” or a “cornell grad”. At least the winner was sure he was in love with the mousy girl.

  11. stephen harris Says:

    Great interview - if it is ok, will post a link from ApprenticeViews. I spoke with Lee’ uncle Eric (someone in my business network). He mentioned that they were at a Chanukah gathering and that Lee and his dad were quiet about the whole apprentice thing. I find it amazing that he did the final task in November 2005 - and had to keep quiet - and wait.. wait till June to find out how he would end up.

    I wrote that I liked Lee’ chances - he was ranked highest in my Power Ratings - but in the end, I didn’t think his team did all they could for him (maybe editing). However - as he mentioned in this interview - I think Trump wanted to hire Lee. I think Trump see’s the potential in raw form… but the event just seemed to go Sean’s way at the end. BUT I wonder if Trump finds a way to get Lee involved in the Trump Organization. Good for Lee - he will do very good in life.. Stephen ...

  12. Walt Says:

    As for Lee:

    He will do very well for himself as it’s very difficult to just get on the show in the first place, and also for getting very deep in the show. Saying that, however, Lee I think was also very lucky there were no interviews at the final three (as I believe those had to be canceled due to a series of ripple effects caused by a task having to be canceled in October due to severe weather) as otherwise, I think Roxanne would have first been spared by Mr. Trump after the Embassy Suites task and then would have gotten past Lee in the interviews, as I think the executives who would have handled them would have had serious questions about Lee due to his age, forcing Mr. Trump to “fire” him and have Roxanne face Sean in the final two.

    Walt

  13. buffy Says:

    I own a staffing agency in NJ and wish I could afford to hire Lee. He is the ultimate job candidate and I would coach him for free if he ever needed to be prepped for a Fortune 500 interview.

  14. Mike Says:

    The Shabbos and Sukkos questions are so obvious that we must understand that Lee only agreed to the interview if these questions were NOT asked.

  15. Steven I. Weiss Says:

    Mike - I’d never agree to conditions like those for an interview.

  16. Astrid Says:

    I agree with Scharmer. Pepi, Michael, and Leslie would’ve been a better team for Lee because all three of them were hard-working candidates.

  17. Mike Says:

    Steve: Then it boggles the mind why you did not ask about the Rutgers Shabbos task and the other tasks that fell during Sukkos and Shmini Atzeres. Certainly you could have asked about eating in a Sukkah. Why did you not pursue these questions? I know a lot of people over at OrthodoxApprentice have been eagerly waiting for Lee’s answers to these questions and yet you let him off the hook.

  18. Steven I. Weiss Says:

    Mike - Because I’m not the Grand Inquisitor of Orthodox Judaism, and neither are you — nor is anyone else. Why are you “eagerly waiting” to see that Bienstock is not “let…off the hook”? You’re hoping for the idle gossip and dirt on a guy who’s done nothing to you; that’s filthy, and a much poorer testament to your character than his.
    I asked him how religious observance affected his appearance on the show, and got detailed answers. I don’t consider it my role to act as the messenger of ninnies such as yourself who want to see Bienstock admit to where his observance might not be the same as yours.

  19. Menachem Wecker Says:

    I wonder if there is some way that we can judge favorably (l’kaf z’chus as we are told) and avoid the question of his non-observance (I am not saying he wasn’t observant; I don’t know), instead focusing on the incredible good PR (call it kiddush hashem, if you want) he did for Orthodox Judaism. I wonder if you could do that Mike? I’d really love to see you try that exercise and post how it works here so we can all see. It takes guts to be able to see good in something like this and not to judge. Steven has done it. I think you’d do well to learn from it. It is my suspicion that in many ways the leftovers of pogrom fear still lead many of us (Orthodox Jews) to fear the spotlight. Doctors and lawyers work for us, but when someone achieves celebrity status we are so afraid they will embarrass Judaism (and summon the pogrom hiding around the corner or under the bed), that we end up holding them to unfairly high standards, and more importantly, standards we’d like to see them live out, because we fail them ourselves. Just a thought, by no means a scientific hypothesis.

  20. Mike Says:

    Gee you hypocrites are so judgemental. I have not suggested that Lee did something wrong. I, and I know many others, simply want to know if it was possible for an Orthodox Jew to fully participate in this process. Since there have been those who pointed out extreme compromises of halacha, I have been eagerly awaiting Lee telling me that he ran these issues by his rabbi and got a p’sak that he could do whatever it was he did. I would like to learn from the situation and not condemn it.

    And if it turns out that Lee found it impossible to participate without breaking halacha, I would like to know that because it teaches us that Orthodox Jews cannot expect to be full participants in the business world.

    But when Steve “questions” Lee as to whether his religious observance created problems, he steers the interview to only those instances where Lee can point to his success which we already know, i.e., Rosh haShana and Yom Kippur.

    If I might dare to ask you, Steve, why ask him about Rosh haShana and Yom Kippur and not about Sukkos? Is it because you already know the answer to the question? It seems like such a natural follow through question.

    Oh, and do you buy this nonsense that Lee had to go hungry because there was no kosher food provided while on the tasks. Believe me, I would find plenty to eat off the shelves of WalMart that was perfectly kosher. My meals don’t have to be cooked. I can eat crackers and tuna.

  21. 12345 Says:

    Truth is that lee ended up being a very poor example for orthodox jews to follow. Although he did take flak for some holidays, ultimately he comprimised his principals due to pressure/ tv/ fame (who knows).

    I dont know him, so i dont care one way or another, but many many people have jobs that have far more pressure and they would never compromise their religious principals for their boss, even if it means losing thier jobs. And of course we have all heard the stories of how it was 50 or 60 years ago where many frum jews would get fired from their jobs for not working on saturdays.

  22. afp Says:

    I’m not interested in putting Lee on the spot or starting an inquisition. I think the interesting question is how he arrived at the compromises he made. Everyone makes compromises in their professional life — whether it’s eating without a Yarmulke, missing mincha, abusing the 18 minutes Friday afternoon, etc. Whether he likes it or not, Lee made his compromises in a public forum. Most of us don’t. And most of us struggle with them. So we want to know how he arrived at his compromises in a very stressful situation. No inquisition here.

    Furthermore, HAFTR is celebrating Lee as a famous frum alumnus. The message appears to be that it’s OK to work on Shabbos if Donald Trump is your boss. Everyone knows that college football games are on Shabbos. How many frum people are now experiencing less understanding bosses — “Lee Bienstock worked on Saturday, and he’s Orthodox, so why can’t you?” I think this is a valid issue for j-blog discussion. Again, not an inquisition. We need to acknowledge that everyone makes compromises, and people who do so publically can impact the entire community.

  23. Orthodox Apprentice Says:

    afp Says:
    “How many frum people are now experiencing less understanding bosses — “Lee Bienstock worked on Saturday, and he’s Orthodox, so why can’t you?â€? ”

    The answer is probably….. none!

    If this is happening to you, or to someone you know, please contact us immediately via e-mail. Thank you.

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