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Tendler Open Thread

I’d like to see this long thread discontinue and open up again here.

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386 Responses to “Tendler Open Thread”

No Lawyer but Says:
January 13th, 2006 at 1:33 pm
Can someone please post the email referred to in thread 406?
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 13th, 2006 at 2:04 pm
Please post all synagogue emails.

I would note that unlike KNH this synagogue is taking action:
Synagogue bars sex offender from saying Kaddish
see bottom left corner at: ...
and if someone could forward me a copy by email I’d appreciate it.

Don’t attend KNH this Shabbos, show your kavod for the Torah and Gedolei Monsey.
insider Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 6:11 pm
>Please post all synagogue emails.

Not all KNH emails are relevant. Do you really need the “Mazel Tov, Jenny Schwartz had a baby boy” emails?

I believe that I am posting all the relevant ones. If I am missing any, there are other people on the KNH email list who read this thread and they can post.
insider Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 6:24 pm
SHABBAT RECAP

As you will recall, last Shabbat there were 14 people at the KNH 7am minyan and 12 at the 9am minyan (plus ~10 in a private minyan at Rabbi Tendler’s house). There was also a bat mitzvah at another shul which might have drawn away some potential KNH participants.

This week there were:
~18 at the 7am minyan (slight increase from last week)
~20 at the 9am minyan (which is a slight decrease from last week if you count the 9am minyan at KNH and the 9am minyan at Rabbi Tendler’s house).

The most interesting news is that Rabbi Tendler did not make his usual weekly visit to the 7am minyan to deliver his weekly sermon. (Many members of the 7am minyan are vocal opponents of Rabbi Tendler and want him fired. There are rumors that the 7am minyan plans to move out of KNH or disband altogether.) Rabbi Tendler’s decision to boycott the 7am is quite interesting, indeed.
insider Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 7:02 pm
Correction of a typing error: Last Shabbat there was a bar mitzvah (not a bat mitzvha) at another shul nearby. The ‘r’ key and ‘t’ key are adjacent on the keyboard. Sorry.
no longer at knh! Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 7:24 pm
Word is that he was told by the other minyan NOT to come down to them! Most of the shul wants him out!
FORMER KNH"ER Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 8:18 pm
I propose that every Motzei Shabbos you publish on this blog the names of the people who are still attending KNH. That way they can be pressured by their friends into not going. The way how I see it is MT will stay as long as he has a minyin. Without a minyin-no prayers and eventually he has to close down etc.

Also why not send a copy of the tape to R’ Reuven & R’ Dovid Feinstein and see if they will change their mind after listening to it. Maybe some family pressure from them will get MT to step down. Even if no pressure at least they wont support him.
insider Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 8:19 pm
>Word is that he was told by the other minyan NOT to come down to them!

If this is true, then I hope that it sends a strong message to Rabbi Tendler that he is not wanted in KNH anymore by the vast majority of the members. He should resign and move away to save KNH from the time and effort of removing him.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 9:26 pm
Does anyone know if there is any truth to the new posting on Luke Ford’s site regarding an alleged survivor of Rabbi Aron Tendler of LA?

Rabbi Aron Tendler’s Days Numbered As Pulpit Rabbi ...

Here’s part of it:
“We were at an all-girls school,” says a former student. “Our hormones were going nuts. And Aron Tendler was there. He was flirty. He had two or three buttons of his shirt unbuttoned, walking up and down the hallway. He provoked it. Kids bored in school were flirting with him. I can’t say he touched people unwillingly. I think they did it and then afterwards asked, ohmigod, what happened?

“He wasn’t someone who was going to force himself him on you. Years later the girls woke up later and said, this was wrong.

“Before he’d have an affair, he’d discuss the halacha [Jewish law] about wasting sperm.

“Whenever it gets down to it, Aron gets afraid and removes himself. I heard he removed himself from the RCC. I’m surprised he isn’t resigning from Sharei Tzedek. He has to be crazy to want this all to go public.

“He was very careful in the girls that he picked. He always picked girls who came from troubled homes, so that if we went public, he could say that we’re crazy.

“I don’t judge anyone, but when you stand on a podium and portray yourself as better than everyone else, and you say that we’re crazy, that’s the issue I have. He’s living a double life. He’s been cheating on his wife for 20 years.

“When you’re in the Jewish world and you look at Aron Tendler, you might think he’s sexy, but when you’re in the outside secular world, and you look at him again, it’s like night and day.
insider Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 9:34 pm
>The way how I see it is MT will stay as long as he has a minyin.
>Without a minyin-no prayers and eventually he has to close down etc.

You obviously don’t know Rabbi Tendler very well. At this point he has made it clear that he will fight to keep his position, even if it means sitting alone in the building without a minyan. Trust me… he means it! Besides, he has 3 or 4 families who will never (in my opinion) leave his side, no matter how much proof is brought against him. Those families plus Rabbi Tendler are enough to have a minyan even if everyone else leaves.

>I propose that every Motzei Shabbos you publish on this blog the
>names of the people who are still attending KNH. That way they can
>be pressured by their friends into not going.

You fail to realize that many of the people that remain at KNH want Rabbi Tendler fired. They remain there (mainly in the 7am minyan, it seems) in order to try and save KNH and get rid of Rabbi Tendler. Trust me, if everyone leaves and no one is left to fight him, then Rabbi Tendler will be allowed to stay rabbi of KNH forever. He has a rich relative who will make sure that the expenses are paid to keep the building open.

>Also why not send a copy of the tape to R’ Reuven & R’ Dovid Feinstein
>and see if they will change their mind after listening to it.

I don’t know exactly which tape you are referring to, but when someone sends it to the Feinsteins send it to KNH also! KNH needs as much evidence as possible if (or when) they go to court or Beit Din with Rabbi Tendler to expell him. (Although Mr. Whistleblower claims otherwise, KNH still has never been given any hard evidence, such as DNA or tapes.)
insider Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 9:37 pm
>Does anyone know if there is any truth to the new posting on Luke
>Ford’s site regarding an alleged survivor of Rabbi Aron Tendler of LA?

Wrong thread. Sorry. Please take this discussion elsewhere. It is simply going to get too confusing having two simultaneous discussions about two different “Rabbi Tendlers”. Ask SIW to create a separate thread for you if necessary.
BT Says:
January 14th, 2006 at 10:43 pm
What do the New Hempstead politicians say about this mess? Do they support Tendler? They have been very very quiet.
ObjectiveJew Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 12:03 am
Insider: Nothing personal, but the people in your synagogue are sounding more and more silly (I could have used a stronger word). You yourself have said that there are many other synagogues in the area, so go and pray there! By now it is obvious that this Rabbi is no Rabbi for any thinking person! You do not need a beit din to daven elsewhere!

Rabbis Feinstein never said that he should be your Rabbi, they just said you need a beit din to fire him. If you asked them for advice (without Rabbi Tendler’s name of course) whether a guy like that should be your Rav, they would say get out and find another Rav to be your posek and spiritual advisor.

So don’t fire him. Just leave! Let him be a Rabbi of an empty building or of 20 people. Where did all the other 200 people go? Go there and daven there!

You write “They remain there (mainly in the 7am minyan, it seems) in order to try and save KNH and get rid of Rabbi Tendler.” Huh?? They daven there in order to save the shul?? They daven there - whether they know it or not - to continue to give this guy credence!

Forget the Rabbi and daven elsewhere! He’ll run out of congregants and money soon enough. Are there no other Rabbis in Monsey or has his charisma gotten a hold of you too??
insider Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 8:44 am
Objective Jew:

Your comments are valid, however you are overlooking a few points that I made over the last two weeks.

(First, I want to say that there are three independent entities that all are interconnected at the moment: Rabbi Tendler, the KNH kehilla, and any women who could be victimized by him. Keep this in mind as you read the following:)

1) People want to save KNH, because KNH was a fantastic kehilla before Rabbi Tendler destroyed it. If everyone leaves, there is 0% chance of getting rid of him and rebuilding. KNH deserves to be saved and Rabbi Tendler deserves to be fired (and more).

2) People honestly believe that Rabbi Tendler is a threat to women. To abandon the effort to oust him will leave him with a shul to use as a tool to attract more women. Remember, even after the RCA expelled him and the whole world knew of the charges, he was still able to continue his “activities”. Innocent women deserve to be saved, and Rabbi Tendler deserves to be fired (and more).

3) Many people I know who are staying at KNH to “fight” stopped using Rabbi Tendler as their personal advisor (for halacha or otherwise) some time ago.

4) Many of the people who remain in KNH are there to maintain a presence to force out Rabbi Tendler. It should be obvious that it is easier to remove him from within, than to quit and somehow try to remove him externally. If you don’t understand this, then there is not much more that I can say.

5) There are other shuls, but most are “black hat” and lack much of what KNH had to offer (a true chevra, non-judgmental, very very friendly, active programs for wives, active programs for children, etc).

>Forget the Rabbi and daven elsewhere!

I already have, as stated many times before. I have not prayed there in many many months.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 9:36 am
>Wrong thread. Sorry. Please take this discussion elsewhere. It
>is simply going to get too confusing having two simultaneous
>discussions about two different “Rabbi Tendlers�?. Ask SIW to
>create a separate thread for you if necessary.

Two different Rabbi Tendlers, Insider? They’re brothers.

Yes, Luke Ford’s information corresponds to the information I and others have and frankly it has a great bearing on what is going on.

1) We see again that when victims came forward in Hollywood, they had their reputations smeared.

2) We see again how the rabbonim in Hollywood (and the baala baytim too) for kavod of a rasha moved Aron Tendler an alleged child molester QUIETLY out of his position in chinuch (he was allowed to “retire”) while letting him keep his pulpit and his reputation in the community. Of course all his victims were labelled as “crazy” because their reputations mean nothing to these people.

3) This is part of why Mordechai Tendler will not leave KNH voluntarily under any circumstance. The Tendler family is fighting for the kavod of it’s two rasha sons and this is a fight to the bitter end. What do they really have to lose at this point? If they leave their shuls and communities, it is likely that more of those who currently live in fear of coming forward, due to the Tendler smear campaigns, will come forward.

4) According to the victim of Aron Tendler that Luke interviewed, Aron has admitted that he was sexually molested as a child.

5) As I’ve stated before, Rabbi Matis Weinberg ran a rape gang at Ner Israel Baltimore. We know that this gang grabbed younger students, held them down and gang raped them. That is why DEC settled with YU and Matis never took the stand. He could never afford to be examined in open court.

6) We know that in the past few years several former students of Ner Israel Baltimore who attended in the same time frame have made the news as sexual predators: Rabbi Israel Kestenbaum and Rabbi Ephraim Bryks.

7) These dynamics further indicate what I’ve said from the beginning, it is Aron Tendler and Mordechai Tendler who are the truly troubled people and if you expect them to go quietly IT WILL NOT HAPPEN.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 9:44 am
>1) People want to save KNH, because KNH was a fantastic
>kehilla before Rabbi Tendler destroyed it. If everyone leaves,
>there is 0% chance of getting rid of him and rebuilding. KNH
>deserves to be saved and Rabbi Tendler deserves to be fired
>(and more).

1) It was great unless you were one of the women Tendler exploited and abused. We’ve all seen how your “fantastic” kehilla trearted and still treat these women.
2) There is no difference between Tendler and KNH as long as he is there as a pulpit rabbi. If KNH cannot get rid of Tendler, it too must go.

>2) People honestly believe that Rabbi Tendler is a
>threat to women. To abandon the effort to oust him
>will leave him with a shul to use as a tool to attract more
>women. Remember, even after the RCA expelled him
>and the whole world knew of the charges, he was still
>able to continue his “activities�?. Innocent women
>deserve to be saved, and Rabbi Tendler deserves to
>be fired (and more).

So padlock the shul. Change the locks.

>3) Many people I know who are staying at KNH
>to “fight�? stopped using Rabbi Tendler as their
>personal advisor (for halacha or otherwise) some
>time ago.

How can they possibly bring their children into that place to witnsess a Chillul Hashem of this sort?

>4) Many of the people who remain in KNH are there
>to maintain a presence to force out Rabbi Tendler.
>It should be obvious that it is easier to remove him
>from within, than to quit and somehow try to remove
>him externally. If you don’t understand this, then there
>is not much more that I can say.

He will never leave on his own accord.

>5) There are other shuls, but most are “black hat�?
>and lack much of what KNH had to offer (a true
>chevra, non-judgmental, very very friendly, active
>programs for wives, active programs for children, etc).

A true chevra? Look at the blood of Tendler’s victims, it is on the hands of all the KNH membership.

>>Forget the Rabbi and daven elsewhere!
>
>I already have, as stated many times before. I have not
>prayed there in many many months.

Yasher koach on rejoining klal yisarael, but do not look back as you may find yourself as a pillar of salt.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 12:54 pm
Update on the PR Newswire press release from The Commission for Rabbinic Integrity (Pro-Tendler) from last week (January 10, 2006) which appears to quote Mordecai Tendler.

[Note: the Committe for Rabbinic Integrity was the group behind the Monsey mass mailing and is NOT the above organization]

The Press Release when distributed directly by PR Newswire to various other news archive businesses contained the following additional line:

CONTACT: Commission for Rabbinic Integrity, +1-845-354-4948

I would note, that this is the phone number belonging to Mordecai Tendler and his wife.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 1:13 pm
The ravtendlerdocuments website referred to in the PR Newswire press release from The Commission for Rabbinic Integrity (Pro-Tendler, not to be confused with The Committee for Rabbinic Integrity) from last week (January 10, 2006)
is back up.
see: ...
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
re: CONTACT: Commission for Rabbinic Integrity, +1-845-354-4948

I would note, that this is the phone number belonging to Mordecai Tendler and his wife.

Also, it was the MavenSearch listing for KNH until very recently (it has now changed).
See: ...
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 2:40 pm
The emergence of unilateral “decisions” and factual determinations of various rabbis operating outside the bet din process — rabbis who never conducted investigations in which all sides participated, reminds us of the warlords of history who became a law unto themselves to the detriment of their hapless victims. Why are these rabbis any less in violation than was the RCA of the Jerusalem Bet Din’s ruling that a bet din is required in Tendler-type cases?
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
(sorry last post got away from me)

Another Jewish Press/Team Tendler lie exposed:

The lie from the Jewish Press:
...
The emergence of unilateral “decisions” and factual determinations of various rabbis operating outside the bet din process — rabbis who never conducted investigations in which all sides participated, reminds us of the warlords of history who became a law unto themselves to the detriment of their hapless victims. Why are these rabbis any less in violation than was the RCA of the Jerusalem Bet Din’s ruling that a bet din is required in Tendler-type cases?
Moreover, even well-respected judges from any given court are not entitled to any special deference for opinions offered outside of their official capacity. Even Supreme Court judges can only decide disputes in their courtroom or when both sides agree to their involvement.

The truth:
Mordecai Tendler was involved in the process with the dayanim in Monsey. Further Rav Wosner was entitled to make the psak he did. Women can be believed, they are proper eidim, and tape recordings CAN be relied on.

And proof from Mordecai Tendler’s mouth that Rav Wosner did what he did WITHIN Halacha.

A SHATTERED PEACE
FOR ORTHODOX JEWISH WOMEN, LEAVING AN ABUSIVE HUSBAND CAN BE AS HARD AS STAYING
The Record (NJ)
February 25, 1996
By Ruth Padawer, Staff Writer
…
It is to Tendler that Roz Gelman takes many of her clients, so he may hear each woman’s plight and decide whether to grant her access to the secular world. Sometimes, the women bring secretly made tapes of their husbands’s ranting, afraid the rabbi will not believe them without it. Sometimes when Tendler listens to them, he weeps.

“I grant permission almost pro-forma, but I receive a lot of flak for that,” Tendler said. “In every case, I get a phone call from a rabbi in Monsey, Brooklyn, wherever, arguing that I shouldn’t be so quick to believe the woman … until I’ve hired a private detective and talked to the husband to see if she’s telling the truth.”
…
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
Another Team Tendler lie exposed:

The lie:
Mordecai Tendler never annuls mariages.

The latest revamp of that lie in the Jewish Voice and Opinion.
see: ...
According to Rabbi Tendler, in virtually all such cases, once a detail is found that could potentially free a woman, the recalcitrant husband usually acquiesces and grants her a get rather than face public disclosure of the flaw that might allow the marriage to be nullified.

The truth:
FOCUS ON ISSUES: Orthodox groups attack 2 rabbis who set up court to end marriages
By Debra Nussbaum Cohen
NEW YORK, Nov. 17, 1998
…
One of those is Rabbi Mordecai Tendler, a respected religious leader in the Orthodox enclave of Monsey, N.Y.

He told JTA that he has annulled hundreds of marriages over the last 30 years.

He applies the criteria mapped out by his grandfather, the late Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, who “freed” women whose husbands refused to grant them a Jewish divorce if the wedding itself was not Orthodox or if there had been some technical flaw in the ceremony.

Finding some other halachically legitimate basis to annul a marriage, if one spouse, for example, hides a significant pre-existing condition before the wedding — like homosexuality, a life-threatening disease or serious mental illness that has not been cured or controlled — is much more difficult, Tendler said.

He said he annuls a marriage under these circumstances only a couple of times a year and after months of research.
…
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 3:18 pm
Another Jewish Voice and Opinion/Team Tendler lie exposed:

The lie:
That Mordecai Tendler is only under attack because he is sensitive to the Agubah issue and is only using halachic tools he learned from his grandfather,

Latest version of this:
see: ...
The fact that Rabbi Tendler said he learned this from his grandfather fits with the description of Rav Feinstein, from many sources, as being extremely sensitive to the agunah issue.

The truth:

Mordecai Tendler attacks others for using THE SAME METHODS.

FOCUS ON ISSUES: Orthodox groups attack 2 rabbis who set up court to end marriages
By Debra Nussbaum Cohen
NEW YORK, Nov. 17, 1998
…
There is another well-known Orthodox rabbi who has been quietly annulling invalid marriages for years — but he utilizes different criteria than Rackman and Morgenstern, and takes issue with their process.

Rackman and Morgenstern, in interviews, said they annul marriages according to halachah, or Jewish law, following formulas employed by great Orthodox rabbis of the past, including Rabbis Isaac Elchanan, Moshe Feinstein and Eliyahu Klotzkin.

They were prompted to act by frustration with what they describe as increasing corruption among rabbis who collude with husbands to extort money from women in need of a get — or Jewish divorce — and with the lack of progress on this issue by rabbinic authorities over the last several decades.
…
Some more sympathetic to the new court’s goals say that it applies the criteria for annulment too liberally.

One of those is Rabbi Mordecai Tendler, a respected religious leader in the Orthodox enclave of Monsey, N.Y.

He told JTA that he has annulled hundreds of marriages over the last 30 years.

He applies the criteria mapped out by his grandfather, the late Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, who “freed” women whose husbands refused to grant them a Jewish divorce if the wedding itself was not Orthodox or if there had been some technical flaw in the ceremony.

Finding some other halachically legitimate basis to annul a marriage, if one spouse, for example, hides a significant pre-existing condition before the wedding — like homosexuality, a life-threatening disease or serious mental illness that has not been cured or controlled — is much more difficult, Tendler said.

He said he annuls a marriage under these circumstances only a couple of times a year and after months of research.

Tendler, along with other Feinstein descendants, has publicly denounced what Rackman and Morgenstern are doing as a misapplication of his methods.
…
no longer at knh! Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Everyone who is at all informed knows it- tendler lies as easily as he breathes.
insider Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 9:19 pm
Ultimately, the lies might be his downfall even sooner than his sexual exploits. I cannot elaborate at this time, but more information will become available in the near future.
insider Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 11:34 pm
UPDATE
Most (if not all) of last week, KNH did not get a minyan for their 7am morning minyan. They had to use students from the yeshiva that rents their building complete the minyan. This morning’s minyan had exactly 10 people.

The 6am minyan and the Shabbat 7am minyan have decided to stay put for the moment, despite their overwhelming opposition to Rabbi Tendler. Initial plans are already being made for those minyanim to leave KNH in the future if Rabbi Tendler remains in KNH.

A representative of the KNH kehilla is in Israel to meet with famous Rabbis in an attempt to get support for expelling Rabbi Tendler from KNH.
ObjectiveJew Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 10:08 am
Insider: you wrote: “The 6am minyan and the Shabbat 7am minyan have decided to stay put for the moment, despite their overwhelming opposition to Rabbi Tendler. Initial plans are already being made for those minyanim to leave KNH in the future if Rabbi Tendler remains in KNH.”

But you also wrote on January 14th, 2006 at 9:34 pm:
“You obviously don’t know Rabbi Tendler very well. At this point he has made it clear that he will fight to keep his position, even if it means sitting alone in the building without a minyan. Trust me… he means it!….”

Help us understand. Which is it? If he’s not leaving, why are they staying? Especially because you wrote that there are so many other synagogues in Monsey.

I’m getting more and more spooked out by the Monsey community. It seems like those people (not you) are simply really wrapped up in R. Tendler. I see no other way of explaining it.

Also, you wrote: “A representative of the KNH kehilla is in Israel to meet with famous Rabbis in an attempt to get support for expelling Rabbi Tendler from KNH.”

Huh? You need support to pray in another synagogue? Which branch of Judaism does that come from?
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 11:03 am
KNH wants Rabbi Tendler out. The few Tendler supporters claim that halacha prevents KNH from firing Tendler. Therefore, the kehilla has a representative in Israel trying to get support from famous rabbis for firing Tendler. Meanwhile, Rabbi Tendler is refusing to leave, and the “breakaway” 6am (weekday) and 7am (Shabbat) minyans are holding their ground pending some significant changes that are expected in the very near term.

Please remember:
- there are people who honestly believe that Rabbi Tendler is a threat to women, and don’t want to just abandon KNH and leave him in a position of power.
- there are people who think that KNH was a great kehilla which might be able to be reestablished if/when Tendler is removed.

No one needs permission to pray in another shul. However, the risks of leaving outweigh the risks of staying at this point. Of course, this is being reevaluated on an ongoing basis.

Rabbi Tendler wins if his opponents leave. He will still have a shul, enough money to operate it, and enough people for a meager Shabbat minyan. If the opponents stay to fight, there is a decent chance that they will be able to fire him or force him out. (For the most part, the opponents don’t even pray in the same minyan with Tendler. In fact, they don’t even see him.)

I’m not sure which part of this scenario is so hard to understand.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 11:21 am
>I see no other way of explaining it.

Let me tell you a story of the first recorded KNH in our history (Sanhedrin 109a). Between the times of Noach and Avraham, the entire world was united in the building of their KNH. It was called migdal bavel. The people valued the enterprise of building this tower so much that during construction, when one of their neighbors slipped and fell off the tower, the people did not even stop. They did not cry for the death of their neighbors. Yet if a brick fell, they stopped, sat and cried. The migdal was all that mattered. They continued with their construction. The lives of their neighbors meant little and they shed no tears for them. They only shed tears for their edifice.

On the surface this group appeared to be close and unified. They had the same language and valued peace, not conflict. But this unity was a facade. In fact there were three groups with very different reasons as to why they built this tower.

The first group wanted to ascend to Shomayim and make war over the flood. They wanted to take over Heaven and make themselves the Gods.
The second group wanted to use the migdal to worship idols.
The third group just wanted to build a tower high up so if the rains and floods came again they would be dry and safe.

But such an enterprise can NEVER succeed. No edifice built is EVER more important than the pain of your neighbors. Any group that puts a shell of a building above the lives of their neighors, will fall. Any group that ignores the cries of their neighbor must fall, particularly when they either have or associate with those whose true purpose is Chillul Hashem.

So what happened to the first KNH?
Hashem uterlly destroyed the first group. They lost Olam Habah.
Hashem took away the neshamas of the second group and they “devolved�? into sheidim and kofim. They lost Olam Habah.

The third group had their common language removed so that they could no longer understand each other and where once there was peace, now there was strife.

False messiah and rasha Tendler is the first group. He wants to be God, but like all false gods he will fall.
The people of KNH who still support Tendler, they are idolaters and they too will fall with their false gods.
The people of KNH who just want a dry place to be on Shabbos to see their friends and have a little kiddush? They are now in the midst of strife where once there was unity. Their very souls remain imperiled as do their childrens’ as they continue to associate and support the rashas in the first 2 groups. Yet they persist in trying to preserve the edifice known as KNH.

Just look at the effect “Insider” has indicated that it has had on the children in their community.

Insider:
>I heard today that a family who attended KNH for many years, but
>resigned recently, is telling people that the teenage children in the
>community are having a very hard time coping with the situation. Some
>teenagers are openly questioning their faith in God and Judaism, now
>that their “moral leader�? is believed to have been involved in many illicit
>sexual relationships and boldly lied about many related topics in front of
>the whole shul membership. I had not considered the possible impact on
>children.

“Insider�?, how many of your community’s children will be lost over the next decade because of the effect this public Chillul Hashem has had on them? The longer this goes on, the worse the effect on this children.

To all still davening at KNH: This world is not about maintaining edifices. It is not about ignoring the cries, the suffering and the destruction of your neighbors who were pushed out from the top of the tower to smash on the ground. Stop crying for your KNH edifice, start crying for the neighbors you people pushed out of your tower and the reputations you have smashed with your stones. You have been and still are part of a great Chillul Hashem.

Stop putting KNH idolotry first, start putting Torah first. Either remove rasha Tendler from KNH or leave KNH immediately. The fact that you even discuss the financial viability of KNH when the Chillul Hashem of rasha Tendler persists at KNH is obscene.

Make a Kiddush Hashem, either throw rasha Tendler to the streets or leave KNH.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 11:29 am
>- there are people who honestly believe that Rabbi Tendler
>is a threat to women, and don’t want to just abandon KNH
>and leave him in a position of power.

So padlock his office and the shul, what’s the problem? Who controls the shul, the board or Tendler?

By attending and making a minyan, people give him a power. If people leave and he does not have even a minyan, he can sit there forever, but effectively his power is gone.
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 11:43 am
>So padlock his office and the shul, what’s the problem? Who controls
>the shul, the board or Tendler?

The law is on his side, whether you choose to believe it or not. It takes time and careful planning to do what you suggest. My understanding is that the board is working with lawyers to make it happen.

>By attending and making a minyan, people give him a power.

If a group of skinheads hold a meeting, and group of vocal opponents show up, do you think that the opponents are giving the skinheads power? The members of the “opposition” minyans are actively pursuing his removal in multiple channels. They are not giving him power. If anything, they are undermining his position and there mere presence is an embarassment to him.

>If people leave and he does not have even a minyan, he can sit
>there forever, but effectively his power is gone.

Please read what I have written many times. He will always get a minyan. There is a very small core of people who refuse to leave his side. I don’t understand them, but the fact remains that they exist.

For a guy who has spent months (perhaps years) chasing Rabbi Tendler, I am shocked that Mr. Whistleblower advocates leaving him in his position in the shul, even if he sits alone in the building. How long will it take before another woman loaner wanders into KNH and finds a sympathetic ear from Rabbi Tendler - only to become another potential victim?!? Remember, even after the RCA expelled him and the whole world knew the accusations, he was still able to continue his illicit acts. Even all the bad press and publicity did not dissuade him from his immoral behavior, and there is no reason to believe that he will refrain in the future either.
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 11:47 am
This past Shabbat, the new KNH president (SP) did not sit in the usual seat of the president of KNH, on the stage at the front of the shul next to Rabbi Tendler. Instead, the new president boycotted Rabbi Tendler’s minyan and joined the 7am opposition minyan instead. This should be clear signal to those who questioned SP’s motivations.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 12:11 pm
>I am shocked that Mr. Whistleblower advocates leaving him
>in his position in the shul, even if he sits alone in the building.

Yet here he sits in KNH WITH a minyan that attracts people who need to say kaddish.

>How long will it take before another woman loaner wanders
>into KNH and finds a sympathetic ear from Rabbi Tendler
>- only to become another potential victim?!? Remember,
>even after the RCA expelled him and the whole world knew the
>accusations, he was still able to continue his illicit acts.

The more publicity he gets, the harder it is for him to get NEW victims. Firing him would also help.

But since you believe he is a danger (as do I), hire security guards, install cameras, remove the door to his office (seriously, remove it from the hinges) and the doors from any other offices he has access to.

Or better yet padlock the building, change the locks, shut off the electricity, the heat, the telephone and the water.

>Even all the bad press and publicity did not dissuade him
>from his immoral behavior, and there is no reason to believe
>that he will refrain in the future either.

Of course it won’t it just makes it more difficult. He’s sick and he needs to go.
no winners here Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 12:40 pm
The members of KNH, past and present, are being portrayed on this blog as cult followers who condoned a sexual predator and ignored the victims.

This is simply not the case. As someone who was a part of KNH for 10 years I can say the following:

1. Nobody had any idea that anything immoral was happening. Although we were aware that Rabbi Tendler counseled women alone, nobody ever thought anything was going on. In fact, one of the midwives was one of his staunchest supporters. I never had a picture of Rabbi Tendler in my dining room, but she did.

2. When we saw women sitting next to Rabbi Tendler at every shiur we did not see a victim. We would be upset that Rabbi Tendler was too nice and refused to push these women away. We felt sorry for Michelle.

3. When we saw Marmelstein come to shul dressed inappropriately we did not see her as a victim. We would think “get a bra” and “why is she living with Levi?”.

4. When the first letter came out we ignored it, not because we condoned anything it wrote about, but because it was anonymous, full of venom, and sounded absurd based on the person we thought we knew.

5. The membership of KNH has much less information than the bloggers give them credit for having. I don’t know what additional information the board had.

6. That someone is still attending KNH is not a statement of condoning the behavior that Rabbi Tendler is accused of. The remaining people fall into two categories, the people who desperately want to see KNH survive, preferably without Rabbi Tendler, and the people who are such staunch followers that they just cannot believe that he could do the worst of what he is accused of. Neither group condones a sexual predator and should not be portrayed as such.

It’s very easy to sit on the sidelines and pass judgement.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 12:54 pm
1) It will come out in the civil lawsuit what information KNH had and what information they chose not to obtain when they were able to.

2) The fact that you still smear a victim’s name here and excuse the people “that the people who desperately want to see KNH survive” when they should be kicking Tendler to the streets and doing teshuvah to his victims and “and the people who are such staunch followers that they just cannot believe that he could do the worst of what he is accused of” just show how little you’ve learned.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
The fact that people here are still characterizing/potraying the victims of Tendler as crazy and at times even referring toi them by name, when they know now that Tendler abused them instead of counselled them, just shows what lowlifes KNH had among its congregants.

I guess it’s protect the shul, NOT the victims of Tendler that defines KNH.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 1:12 pm
To the idiots of KNH:
I hope that when your children, who have witnessed the public Chillul Hashem that you have and continue to expose them to, seek counselling or assisstance in the future as they have gone off-the derech (and you know it will happen) due to a loss of emunah, that they are treated with more respect, compassion and dignity then you have ever shown for women who simply made the mistake of asking Tendler for assistance and counselling and for trusting his kehila KNH.

I hope no one dares call them crazy.

I hope no one uses their off-the-derech behavior to label them as “crazy” and humiliate them publicly.

I hope they find leaders who will help them and not exploit and abuse them.

I hope they find a kehila that protects them and not some building they built.

And for those who think it will never happen to THEIR children, heed the words of your own.

Insider:
>I heard today that a family who attended KNH for many years, but
>resigned recently, is telling people that the teenage children in the
>community are having a very hard time coping with the situation. Some
>teenagers are openly questioning their faith in God and Judaism, now
>that their “moral leader�? is believed to have been involved in many illicit
>sexual relationships and boldly lied about many related topics in front of
>the whole shul membership. I had not considered the possible impact on
>children.
KNHmember Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
MR JWB,
We don’t know you, although you claim to know everything about us, the members and former members of KNH. How is this possible?
Let me tell you something — none of us believed, or wanted to believe the accusations leveled against Rabbi Tendler. Most of us have had enough of this and would like him to leave for our sake and sanity. If he is found innocent, and I truly hope he is, then I will beg him on hands and knees to return. Its unfortunate that he has been tried in the courts of the blogs with the chance to defend himself.
In the meantime, I am angry.
Angry at him for putting himself and his family is this crappy position
Angry at him for soiling the Tendler and Feinstein family name.
Angry at him for forcing me to tell my children why I had to leave the shul
Angry at YOU for bring me down to your level, which seems to be about the level of pond scum.
Please go away. Leave us alone. If you are so sure of your self and your position, why not tell us who you are? We might have some respect for you and your position. For all we know, you are some low life, sitting is his dark room, in your underwear, with nothing better to do than to fire darts at people. Be a MAN (or a WOMEN) and FESS UP WHO YOU ARE!!!
Tell us or tell us why not!
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 1:32 pm
In Mr. Whistleblower’s world, everything is black-and-white. We all know that it is not that simple. Period.

I agree with the essence of everything “no winners here” writes.
no winners here Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
JWB says:
>The fact that people here are still characterizing/potraying the victims of >Tendler as crazy and at times even referring toi them by name, when >they know now that Tendler abused them instead of counselled them, >just shows what lowlifes KNH had among its congregants

I never called anyone crazy. Furthermore, I don’t believe the lawsuit has gone to trial or settled, nor has any other judgement been made in a court of law. It is irresponsible for you to infer that.

I do know that Rabbi Tendler has done and said some things that are innapropriate for a Rabbi or any observant Jew. That is why I left the shul.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 1:49 pm
>In Mr. Whistleblower’s world, everything is black-and-white.
>We all know that it is not that simple. Period.

You sound like the Germans after the war that claimed not to have known about the concentration camps.

It will be demonstrated in a civil court just what KNH knew.

>I never called anyone crazy.

You certainly are trying to characterize one of the victims as such and I find it reprehensible, particularly that you refer to her and another person by name. You better make sure your kids stay on the derech or one day that could be your daughter some idiot, just like you, smears by name in a blog.

>Furthermore, I don’t believe the
>lawsuit has gone to trial or settled, nor has any other
>judgement been made in a court of law. It is irresponsible
>for you to infer that.

I’m not inferring anything. I simply stating the facts. Theses women were abused and exploited by Mordechai Tendler and KNH chose not to protect them time after time, despite adequate information and access to information.

>I do know that Rabbi Tendler has done

And do you care? You’d rather blame his victims and his supporters without taking even the slightest personal responsibility as a member (former) on KNH? What teshuvah have you done? What have you done for the victims of Tendler? What will you expect of us when it is your kids who go off the derech due to a loss of faith spurred by this public chillul Hasherm?

>and said some things that are innapropriate for a Rabbi or
>any observant Jew. That is why I left the shul.

That’s a good FIRST step.
no winners here Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
JBW - That you compare KNH members to Germans during the Shoah really tells everyone all they need to know about you.

The person who deserves blame is Rabbi Tendler, if he is found guilty.

If a victim came to me and told me about how she was victimized and I did nothing I would share in the responsibility. However, I’ve had many conversations with a women who claims to be a victim and she never indicated anything of the sort. These victims have been in the homes of KNH members, and enjoyed their hospitality and said nothing. How exactly were we supposed to figure all this out?

That we all didn’t run at the first anonymous innuendo indicates that we tried to follow what we have been taught:

1. give someone the benefit of the doubt
2. look for the other side of the story
3. anonymous lashon hara should not be accepted

If you have not learned these things you know nothing about Judaism.
As more facts have come to light people have left, but everyone has to come to their decision in their own way.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 2:54 pm
>JBW - That you compare KNH members to Germans
>during the Shoah really tells everyone all they need
>to know about you.

In fact, you are the ones who use their excuses. You are the ones who never heard the cries of women in your community.

>The person who deserves blame is Rabbi Tendler, if he is found guilty.

Rabbi Tendler is being sued in civil court ALONG with his kehila KNH. Guilt is a criminal law concept. Blame is relevant to the civil proceedings. Both Tendler AND KNH deserve blame.

>If a victim came to me and told me about how she was
>victimized and I did nothing I would share in the responsibility.

Well, what are you doing now?

>However, I’ve had many conversations with a women
>who claims to be a victim and she never indicated
>anything of the sort.

Given how they’ve been treated, why should they trust you with that information?

>These victims have been in the homes of KNH members,
>and enjoyed their hospitality and said nothing. How exactly
>were we supposed to figure all this out?

What do you think has been going on the last few years?

>That we all didn’t run at the first anonymous innuendo indicates
>that we tried to follow what we have been taught:
>
>1. give someone the benefit of the doubt

Unless it is a woman crying for help.

>2. look for the other side of the story

If it helps you ignore the cries of these women.

>3. anonymous lashon hara should not be accepted

Tell all victims “ani lo mikabel”.

>If you have not learned these things you know nothing
>about Judaism.

Attack the yiddishkeit of your enemies or anyone who holds you to any level of responsibility for your failure to take any degree of responsibility for your communinty, for your kehilah.

>As more facts have come to light people have left, but
>everyone has to come to their decision in their own way.

And still you do nothing for Tendlers victim. The communal response? Silence.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
>The communal response? Silence.

Except of course for blaming the victims, whining about how they miss their shul and how it isn’t their fault that there was no where and no one in Monsey for these women to go to that would have protected their confidences and taken some action.
no winners here Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
Were you here in the community???

Did any victim come into shul and accuse? NO
Did any victims call members and ask to meet with them as a group? NO
Did any victims bring a civil or criminal action against Rabbi Tendler or KNH before 3 weeks ago? NO
Has any evidence been produced for the members of KNH (I cannot speak for the board)? NO

You seem to be under the impression that victims were lined up outside the shul weeping and brandishing their DNA reports.

We still live in a country where a person is innocent until proven guilty. You seem to feel the opposite, that all alleged victims of sexual abuse are truthful.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:09 pm
Monsey, where sexual predators feel safe and where the only ads people put their names to are attacking the supporters of victims.

Where’s the ad with your names apologizing to Tendler’s victims, to their supporters, to the RCA?

Oh, that’s right, you people don’t have a shred of responsibility it disappeared with your shred of decency long ago.
KNHmember Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:14 pm
>Rabbi Tendler is being sued in civil court ALONG with his kehila KNH. Guilt is >a criminal law concept. Blame is relevant to the civil proceedings. Both >Tendler AND KNH deserve blame.

And you know this HOW? Come on speak up jerk off and tell us! Or, you’re full of crap and are making this up.

>And still you do nothing for Tendlers victim. The communal response? >Silence.
And what is your response? What have you done for the alleged victims? Have you offered them shelter and help? Or is all you can do it take pot shots at the people in New Hempstead? What a wuss you are!
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:17 pm
>Were you here in the community???
>
>Did any victim come into shul and accuse? NO

And what would have the response been?

>Did any victims call members and ask to meet with them as a group? NO

Why do they have to humiliate themselves to you publicly? Would you want your daughter forced to humiliate herself and her family that way? Where is your shame?
And you will see shortly what your KNH representatives and officials knew when this gets to court.

>Did any victims bring a civil or criminal action against Rabbi
>Tendler or KNH before 3 weeks ago? NO

I guess your local baatei dinim aren’t enough.

>Has any evidence been produced for the members of
>KNH (I cannot speak for the board)? NO

Yet the board speaks for you.

>You seem to be under the impression that victims were
>lined up outside the shul weeping and brandishing their
>DNA reports.

As will be seen in the civil suit, KNH knew what was going on.

>We still live in a country where a person is innocent until
>proven guilty.

Check with your local dayanim. Oh, that’s right Danny Boy and the rest of your KNH officials never bothered.

>You seem to feel the opposite, that all alleged
>victims of sexual abuse are truthful.

That’s the consensus of your local dayanim in this case.
no winners here Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:31 pm
I think you may be correct that we should have acted more pro-actively to contact the rabbeim that might have had information for us (one of the 7 rabbi’s on the letter was mentioned to me about a month before the package, and I will admit that I did not run to contact him). My point was regarding the years when the victims claim to have been victimized, and the notion that the abuse was obvious but ignored. That just was not the case.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:41 pm
While, I respect that you are taking some small measure of culpability (”and I will admit that I did not run to contact him”), Tendler’s abuses were no secret, as will be demonstrated in open court, shortly.

KNH and the Monsey community has much to answer for as does the leadership of the Orthodox community that got us here through silence and inaction, putting the kavod of a rasha over the kavod of our daughters. If the people of Monsey do not learn from the past few years, if the Orthodox world does not learn from the past few years what hope do the next victims of a sexual predator in klal yisroel have?
no winners here Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:50 pm
It’s quite possible that when I see things come out in the court case I’ll think “how did we not see this!”, but I think these things will be much easier to see with the benefit of hindsight and perspective.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:56 pm
I keep reading and reading this blog and keep asking myself the following question:

Why are we blaming victims of Sexual Crimes?
...
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:57 pm
oops that past entry got away from me. I meant to add that I got the above information from Vicki Polin
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
I also want to ask if this case is going to end up like the one with Matis Weinberg, and also Marc Gafni. We all say this is horrible, but our rabbunim are NOT really doing anything to make changes. How many men, women and children need to be sexually violated before things will change?

...

...
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
>I keep reading and reading this blog and keep asking
>myself the following question:
>
>Why are we blaming victims of Sexual Crimes?

Because it’s easier for people to blame all their troubles on women they can ridicule for being off-the-derech in some small superficial way, rather than admit that they followed, revered and protected a sexual predator that they took in to their homes and lives and exposed their families to.

And somehow it’s easier for them to expect these women Tendler, counselled and abused, to fall on their swords to save their KNH edifice, rather than the community padlock KNH to protect them and others.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:29 pm
With the way our communities are treating anyone who has been sexually victimized, I’m amazed that more aren’t “off-the-derech”.

The incidence of false rape reports in the United States is 1 percent to 2 percent. This is the same incidence as false reports of burglary.

Do we blame all survivors of burlaries for false reports?

The answer is no!

So why are we doing it to rape victims?
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Research shows that only 2% of rapists are ever convicted. According to FBI studies only 2% of all allegations of sexual assault are false.
BT Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:41 pm
I have just learned that one of the New Hempstead politicians has fled the country with his entire family going to eretz yisroel. I demand to know what he knows and why he is fleeing the country at this time. He should stay in his community where he is needed and can help many confused people in this chillul hashem. I have heard that he knows something and he does not wish to reveal it. I have also heard that he is shopping for a house in Eretz Yisroel. This is what we desrve from a frum politician who hides secrets and does nothing when a whole community is in termoil.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:41 pm
>Did any victims call members and ask to meet with them
>as a group? NO

So what did the victims of Tendler do? They went to gedolim in America and told their stories and gave them the information. Gedolim about whom KNH chose to believe Tendler’s lies

And KNH members criticize them for doing that?

If KNH members were willing to believe the most outrageous lies about their own gedolim, what chance did these victims have?

What exactly are KNH members doing now? Are they acting? Calling public meeting?

They are consulting with gedolim in Israel to get permission to fire their sexual predator Rabbi.

At least these women went to and listened to the gedolim in their own country.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:50 pm
Does anyone know anything about the rumors that Mordecai and his wife are starting a new community and shul in eretz yisroel. I heard rumors that he does not plan on coming back to the United States.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:52 pm
I just got this article from The Awareness Center’s daily newsletter: ...

I thought it could shed some light on what’s been going on. It’s based on Christian cults, but I think it might be helpful to some.
no longer at knh! Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
The word has to be gotten out (throughout the US and Israel) about the tendler maffia!
KNHmember Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 4:59 pm
HEY JWB!!
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS?? CHICKEN TO?
OR YOU DON”T WANT TO FESS UP THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ANYTHING HERE — AND YOU LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COUNTRY?
COME ON, If you’re for real, tell us your name and your source, otherwise you are just a bag of wind — YOU BLOW!
no longer at knh! Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 5:05 pm
Dear KNH member-
here are a few questions for you:
1. Why are you still supporting a so called rabbi who lies, violates halachah, bullies people…
2. Why do you ignore all of the psokim (who know something about the case- not that joke beis din in Israel that has no jurisdiction and no information!) except tendler’s uncles and father?
3. Why are you keeping a so called rabbi who cares nothing for his congregation and only cares about himself in the most selfish way possible?
There are many more, but let’s start with these.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 5:08 pm
>COME ON, If you’re for real, tell us your name and
>your source, otherwise you are just a bag of wind
>— YOU BLOW!

And that folks, is KNHmember, declaring his/her anonymity and demanding of course my name.
PLONIALMONI Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
TO KNHmember

If you are a representative sample of the type of person that attends KNH then the situation has just been become much clearer as to why this whole affair has taken so long to come to a head.

Fortunately, if you are actually a member and not some nut, I know you are in the extreme minority. You should first learn to communicate like a mensch and not like a boor.

I get the feeling you are one of Tendler’s strongest supporters. Tell us who you are so we should know to keep the female members of our families away from you as well.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 5:14 pm
The reason I haven’t answered your questions is they seem to be moderated and hence don’t appear in this thread in a timely manner. So I’m just seeing them now.

But I see you haven’t really asked any question of substance, so I have nothing to answer. Once again, I am irrelevant to this thread. The thread is about Tendler.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 6:02 pm
A classic KNHMember post from my blog, showing how “informed” he/she was and how well he/she had checked his/her “facts”:

At 10:15 AM, KNHMember said…
“The Bet Din of the Chief Rabbinate… the only Bet Din to speak in this case”

Actually, the Bais Din of the Chief Rabbinate is the 4th (at least) bais din to voice an opinion in this case.

The RCA is the 4th attempt on the part of the accusers (and their handlers) against RMT. Each of the first three batei din interviewed the accusers, reviewed all the evidence, and found RMT 100% innocent. The first bais din was the Vishnitzer Bais Din of Monsey (headed by the Vishnitzer dayan). The second Bais Din was a group of 15 “litvishe” poskim from Monsey. I am not sure of the composition of the 3rd bais din.

Every (yes, every) bais din who has heard this case has found RMT 100% innocent. I exclude the RCA from this list, because their “investigation” (and I use the term loosely in this case) was not in the form of a bais din - even by their own admission.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 6:24 pm
Status of Tendler civil lawsuit?

The lawsuit was filed Dec.20/05 and I am led to believe the complaint was served on Tendler and KNH on Dec.23/05. Each had 20 days to file an answer to the complaint. So the answer should have been filed on January 12/06.

Anyone have an update?
mr Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 6:35 pm
I spoke to someone (who is close to tendler) about a month ago and he told me about a (knh) community Tendler was trying to start in Yerushalayim. KNH knew about this. It seems Tendler was getting flack from the government about it (it was in arab neighberhood) and it was held up.
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
Take a look at the first line of this post from Mr. Whistleblower:
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 15th, 2006 at 2:48 pm
(sorry last post got away from me)

Now take a look at the first line of a post from JewishSurvivors:
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 3:57 pm
oops that past entry got away from me.

Interesting.
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 6:57 pm
BT wrote:
>I have just learned that one of the New Hempstead politicians has fled
>the country with his entire family going to eretz yisroel.

He is not a politician. He has never run for public office. He was appointed to the zoning board of a tiny suburban village. Big deal.

He did not “flee the country”. He is on vacation in Israel, just like lots of other Jews do.

At any point in time, there is probably 500+ Jews from Monsey visiting Israel or living in Israel. Are they all hiding something too? Get real.

>I have heard that he knows something and he does not wish to reveal it.

I have heard that you know nothing, but like to try to play the “where there’s smoke there must be fire” canard.

Your attempt to stir controversy where none exists is completely transparent.
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 7:03 pm
JewishSurvivors writes:
>Does anyone know anything about the rumors that Mordecai and his wife
>are starting a new community and shul in eretz yisroel. I heard rumors
>that he does not plan on coming back to the United States.

VERY VERY VERY old news. The Israel community idea started 5 years ago and was dropped soon thereafter due to lack of interest and Israeli political issues (the community was going to be in the West Bank). If you want to read all about it, go to Google and search for “Tendler kochav”. You will find over 80 articles.

Or, you can just follow this link to the Google search ...

Even if the community was built, the Tendlers were not planning to move to Israel. They were going to spend the school year in New Hempstead and the summers in Israel. Your rumor that he intended to establish and community and move there permanently is totally incorrect.
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 7:13 pm
UPDATE

Several people in New Hempstead have reported seeing Adina hanging around New Hempstead today. She was seen in front of the KNH property between 4pm and 5pm.

It is a free country and she can walk wherever she wants. I am not implying that she was “seeing” Rabbi Tendler again. However, it seems odd for her to be strolling around KNH in the midst of the current lawsuit and considering the news reports that she moved to Manhattan.
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 8:01 pm
mr writes:
>I spoke to someone (who is close to tendler) about a month ago and he
>told me about a (knh) community Tendler was trying to start in
>Yerushalayim.

Actually, several miles outside of Jerusalem in the West Bank.

>KNH knew about this.

Absolutely. KNH members were the vast majority of people who put down deposits on the houses.

>It seems Tendler was getting flack from the government about it (it
>was in arab neighberhood) and it was held up.

Wrong. It was not in an Arab neighborhood. It was in a totally Jewish area of the West Bank. In fact, the Israeli government was totally supporting the project and was giving the residents the land for free and subsidizing their house construction. In fact, there is a letter signed by many Israeli government officials congratulating Rabbi Tendler on his intention to establish a community in that location.

Everything that you describe took place 5 years ago. Follow the Google link that I posted above for more info.
Annoyomous Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
“Several people in New Hempstead have reported seeing Adina hanging around New Hempstead today. She was seen in front of the KNH property between 4pm and 5pm.

It is a free country and she can walk wherever she wants. I am not implying that she was “seeing�? Rabbi Tendler again. However, it seems odd for her to be strolling around KNH in the midst of the current lawsuit and considering the news reports that she moved to Manhattan.”

You are such cult followers. Words and thoughts like�? hanging around�? and “strolling�? and your continual communist society Oooo “she moved to�? or, “She was seen in front�?, “lives there�?, or “she is here�?, etc; Oooo.

She is doing none of the above!
This is a free country-but you don’t believe in American Freedom of rights because you don’t believe a victim has a right to walk by your Shul on her way elsewhere without it being Tendlers false accusations about her. Except when it comes to believing a victims should come to you and get executed for saying something against your “Rav�? then you believe in the Freedom of American rights to execute, defame and falsely malign. Otherwise you maintain a communalist society around your Shul and for your victims and their supporters.

No-she isn’t “hanging�?, “strolling�? “in front�?, etc-which are your cult blinded impressions and lies for her; no she was just and only walking by. WHAT A CRIME!
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 8:28 pm
The primary motive for rape is sexual.

Myth. The motive for rape is aggression and power, not sex. Rapists have a desire to dominate, humiliate, and degrade their victims. The overwhelming majority of rapists use unnecessary force with weapons and/or the threat of physical violence to coerce their victims into submission. Rape is not the result of “pent up” sexual desire. Many rapists report that they do not enjoy the sex act during the rape. In fact, most rapists have access to a normal sexual relationship with a wife or a lover.

Women are sexually assaulted because they “ask for it”.

Myth. Society attempts to shift the burden of blame from the assailant to the victim by implying that “she asked for it”. Being a victim has no connection to one’s dress or “provocative manner”. This apparent shift of blame directs attention to the victim’s behavior and away from the offender’s actions, thereby absolving the assailant of his responsibility for the attack.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 8:30 pm
Rape is not a big deal; it’s only sex.

Myth. Rape is a big deal and it is illegal. It is not committed between consenting adults but is forced and violent. In fact, rape victims have more in common with victims of other serious crimes such as physical assault, burglary, and attempted murder than with partners in a consenting sexual relationship.

Many women “cry rape” to protect their reputation or seek revenge on a lover.

Myth. False reports of rape are rare. Most women do not volunteer to disclose the intimate details of a sexual assault, for public record, if the event did not occur.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
Sexual assaults are usually planned.

Fact. Most sexual assaults are planned in advance by the assailant. The act is premeditated but the specific victim tends to be chosen at random based on her availability and vulnerability.

Most reported sexual assaults are true.

Fact. Reported sexual assaults are true, with very few exceptions. FBI crime statistics indicate that of assaults reported, only 2% are false (Brownmiller, 1975); this is comparable to other major crime reports. The perception of false reporting may be based on low conviction rates for sexual offenders. Low conviction rates result from insufficient evidence to prosecute, dismissal of trial due to technicalities and reluctance of victims to testify. For these reasons, low conviction rates do not imply false reporting.

Many sexual assaults are committed by an assailant known to the victim.

Fact. The victim is acquainted with her assailant in approximately 50% of reported sexual assaults. Authorities estimate this percentage to be even greater for unreported assaults. Many victims tend not to report an assault by a family member, lover, date, or acquaintance, believing that only assaults committed by strangers are sexual offenses. Other reasons for the reluctance to report this type of assault include feelings of embarrassment, shame, or self blame; fear of gossip; emotional ambivalence toward the assailant; and concern about problematic prosecution. The voluntary association between victim and assailant tends to raise doubts and to elicit less sympathy than an assault involving a stranger. Society is less likely to acknowledge a sexual assault of this type because of preconceived notions and myths about “real” rape and traditional sex role stereotypes (”she says no when she means yes”). These suppositions are reinforced through the media and by cultural images concerning sexual interaction.
BT Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 9:00 pm
You don’t know what you are talkingn about. I am talking about MK, who is Assistent Mayor and who fled New Hempstead today WITH HIS ENTIRE FAMILY. He IS a politician don’t deny it. Why is HE going to Isreal now? What is he hiding? Why has HE protected RMT all these years by not speaking up and taking a stand against corupcion in our community? Why did he choose now of all times when our community is being torn apart to run away to Isreal? Answer that if you can!
insider Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 10:40 pm
BT:

If you had provided a name or some initials, then I would not have assumed that you were referring to someone else.

MK was never a member of KNH. In fact, in 12+ years attending KNH, I never saw him inside of KNH unless there was a special occasion like a Bar Mitzvah or a Bris of one of his neighbors.

According to the Village of New Hempstead website, the Deputy Mayor is someone named Paul Mundt. MK is listed as a Trustee.

If you want to complain about MK to his shul, then KNH is the wrong address. He attends Rabbi Shabbes’s shul or perhaps the shul on Bridle Rd.
KNHmember Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 10:42 pm
# PLONIALMONI Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 5:13 pm
I get the feeling you are one of Tendler’s strongest supporters. Tell us who you are so we should know to keep the female members of our families away from you as well.

Wrong! I am not one of his supporters. But, I am sick of all these anonymous people throwing crap around and claiming its the gospel. Of course, your best friend Mr. JWB, refuses to tell us who he/she is. I ask– and s/he says to me ” your not showing yours, so why should I show mine?”. You should show, since you are the one making accusations.

As for the female members of your family, Polani, not to fear. They are too ugly for me to bother with
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 10:52 pm
So speaks the proud current member of KNH, demonstrating the kehila that is and was.
FORMER KNH"ER Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 10:55 pm
For the record: MK is the deputy mayor of NH, he went with his family on a family vacation to see his daughter who lives there. Where do you come up with this absurdity that he FLED like he was running away? He attends Congregation Ohaiv Shalom “the Bridle Rd shul”.

If there is any politician you should be attacking its should be Ryan Karban (who represents our district), who gave a citation of honor to MT and whose mother, Shelly, is the head of the KNH woman’s league.

Plus in case in you havent figured it out yet - The Tendlers have a hold on the local press as the Rockland Journal News has yet to report on the recent law suit nor the letter from the Rabbinic Integrity. The main reporter of the Rockland Journal News is Steve Leiberman and he contacts MT’s father whenever ther is a “Jewish Story” such as the Metzizah Bepeh episode.
Anonymous Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 5:22 am
FORMER KNH”ER Says: “Where do you come up with this absurdity that MK FLED like he was running away?�?

I don’t have any personal information from MK & his reasoning for going to Israel. The point about some very local elected Jewish officials support or stance including him has significance for victims. More telling JWB is even the Former KNH members post to defend even an initial like MK and not the victims’ name and name of other slandered above or the smearing untrue and disgusting comments about them speaks and demonstrates the kehila that it was as well as the proud current members of KNH they are as you stated. No cries no remorse no being sorry no introspection for the victims they have maligned and harassed nor for those who spoke up against Rabbi Mordecai Tendlers’ abuse. Neither do they offer protection for women the children and certainly they don’t come out to defend the victims; only Tendlers’ position(s) in every sense of him staying-leaving-or covering up for his dilutions.
RT is a Fraud, Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 6:39 am
Go ahead and continue to maim and BRUSE; physically,
emotionally or verbally whichever you CHOOSE;
in the end in this world and the next you will LOSE;
but these concepts are to difficult for you
because seeing the truth you know or believing it you REFUSE;
how pathetic you’re
the end of this harassment,
false Messiah, Congregation, Shabbati Tzvi, Clone, Koolaid group is near not
FAR and the primary victim
can walk wherever she wants you
Morons she doesn’t have a CAR.
insider Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 7:33 am
>Plus in case in you havent figured it out yet - The Tendlers have a hold
>on the local press as the Rockland Journal News has yet to report on
>the recent law suit nor the letter from the Rabbinic Integrity.

It is hard to believe that the Tendlers have a hold on the local press. There was a rather unflattering article on March 26, 2005 about Tendler being expelled from the RCA. Here is a link ...

Here are the opening few lines:
“Ousting from panel follows allegations of sex harassment”
by Steve Lieberman
The Journal News
An influential Orthodox Jewish council has expelled a New Hempstead rabbi from its ranks for not cooperating with an investigation into harassment accusations made by women in his congregation. The Rabbinical Council of America found Rabbi Mordechai Tendler “has engaged in conduct inappropriate for an Orthodox rabbi” after a nearly 15-month investigation.”

I would note that the same journalist who you claim Tendler controlls is the same guy who wrote the article.

The Rockland Journal News loves to print articles bashing the Orthodox community. It is hard to believe that they would let any Orthodox rabbi controll them.
insider Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 7:35 am
Oops. Sorry for the font problem in my previous comment. The bold font was only supposed to include the name of the journalist who wrote the article.
insider Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 7:45 am
I agree with FORMER KNH”ER. MK has never been involved with KNH, and Ryan Karben has always been one of Rabbi Tendler’s big supporters. However, I am told that Ryan has not been at KNH much (if at all) recently.

Here is a link to the citiation from Ryan Karben: ...

Interestingly, the citation is from November 2005, 8 months after Tendler was kicked out of the RCA.

It should be noted that Ryan’s mother Shelley is one of the KNH board members who did not resign last week. Anyone who did not resign is generally regarded as being in favor of firing Rabbi Tendler.
FORMER KNH"ER Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 8:06 am
True what you say INSIDER, however the Journal News hasn’t said anything on this episode since March of 05 - almost 10 months ago.
Member Ohaiv Shalom Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 8:27 am
Just to reiterate …. MK went to visit his two daughters in Israel, He did not run away, in fact MK tried to run for Mayor …. and Tendler and his henchman Yeager made sure that wouldn’t happen …
Yeager is the one who calls Tendler to political meetings and constantly asks for his advice!
Yeager licks Tendler’s bottom …. and its time for us to throw both, Yeager and Tendler out of Monsey
no winners here Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 10:06 am
What Insider said about MK is accurate. He has no involvement in KNH and need not be discussed in this thread.

TY attended KNH for a short time, until the Pennington shul opened. He would come around occasionally around election time. I don’t believe he is relevant to this thread either.

The community MT planned on starting in Israel was to be in Kochav Yaacov, which is over the green line.
insider Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 10:08 am
Member Ohaiv Shalom:
Be careful of what you say. I personally know that you are incorrect on several points. I don’t want to say more because there is no reason to drag other people’s names through the mud. TY has rarely been to KNH since he was elected. There is good reason why this is the case. If you want details, contact me privately at knhinsider -at- yahoo -dot- com
KNHmember Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
# jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 16th, 2006 at 10:52 pm

So speaks the proud current member of KNH, demonstrating the kehila that is and was.

Wrong - (1) You don’t know me to know if I am or amnot a current member.
(2) What does “demonstrating the kehila that is and was” mean? Given the rock you live under, you wouldn’t know a kehilla if it smacked you in the face.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
>Wrong - (1) You don’t know me to know if I am or amnot a
>current member.

Then it’s time to change your name “KNHmember”.
KNHmember Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 2:57 pm
So, who are we are is defined by your name used in this blog? I don’t think so — proof is that you call yourself JewishWihistleBlower. Questionable if you are jewish and what have you every done anything that could be defined as “whistle blowing”?
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 5:29 pm
The ravtendlerdocuments website (registered to Mordechai Tendler personally) referred to in the PR Newswire press release from The Commission for Rabbinic Integrity (Pro-Tendler with Mordechai Tendler’s personal number as the contact number, not to be confused with The Committee for Rabbinic Integrity) has put up some more documents, well to be accurate, some rather old documents:

...
Support letters from:

1) Rabbi Eisenstein - women can’t walk home from shul with their husbands, fathers or brothers

2) Rabbi Dovid Feinstein - uncle

3) Rabbi Shmuel Feurst - sue your son’s child molester WITH permission from a bais din and he’ll put you in cherem

You would think after almost a month, Tendler could come up with at least one new letter, or at least an updated one.

As to the rabbonim, supporting him:

1) Rabbi Nachum Eisenstein:
A quote:
>What about a girl or woman
>afraid to walk home by
>herself? “She shouldn’t come to
>shul.

2) Rabbi Dovid Feinstein - uncle

3) Rabbi Shmuel Fuerst who put a man in cherem for taking those allegedly involved in sexully molesting his son to civil court (even though he had permission from another beis din to do so).

For links and full articles/material referred to see: ...
no longer at knh! Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
What is with this beis din in Yerushalayim- what a chilul hashem! They are destroying any respect that one could possibly have for rabbanim, beis din etc., at the very least! What a disgrace! Who are these people? What motivates them? Are they more relatives? cronies? idiots? crooks? What has become of our so called leaders???
plonialmoni Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 10:25 pm
To No Longer at knh

We are in this mess because we have no leaders today anywhere. Every Rebbe and Rosh Hayeshiva is busy protecting their own turf. The Orthodox world is becoming more and more polarized. Every group does what they want without a moment’s thought as to the impact on the rest of Klal Yisroel. Look at Bobov, Satmar, Ponovich with all their fighting and violence. Chabad with their horrible apikorsus. Gives you food for thought why Moshiach hasn’t come yet. I went off on a tangent but it also explains why someone like Tendler has been able to maintain his position all these years. On the other hand, these conditions may just be the ripe time for Moshiach to come as that oft quoted Talmudic passage describes the lowly position of society just prior to Moshiach’s arrival.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 17th, 2006 at 11:52 pm
Breaking News!

Kooky Mordechai Tendler decides he doesn’t want his day in court files motion to dismiss civil lawsuit.

His basis? A great conspiracy theory. Rabbi/lord of the 10 person KNH kehila declares all his enemies must resign.

Just the start of delay tactics by Tendler who needs to avoid signing any answer to the complaint in which he denies having sex with the victim. Perjury of course is a crime and unlike the Jerusalem bais din, the civil courts punish perjury.

Read on …. kooky, kooky, kooky Tendler’s grand conspiracy theory……….

see: ...

Rabbi Mordecai Tendler demands resignation of Rabbis Basil Herring, Mark Dratch, Hershel Billet and Yosef Blau from the Rabbinical Council of America as his lawyers move to dismiss lawsuit.

Allegations are described in the motion to dismiss as not cognizable under the law, “scurrilous�?, “outrageous�? and “calculated to be sensational and damaging to Rabbi Tendler’s reputation in his community�?. The motion asserts that the lawsuit violates New York State Civil Rights Law.
Rabbinical Council of America is now believed linked to a coordinated local mass mailing campaign against Rabbi Tendler, about which Rabbi Tendler will assert damages in trial of issues pending before the Chief Rabbinical Court of The State of Israel.

A motion to dismiss was filed last week seeking the summary dismissal of a case brought recently in Supreme Court, New York County entitled (victim) v. Rabbi Mordecai Tendler. The case makes bizarre messianic and sexual claims
and was previously reported under the headline “RABBI IN SEX-GOD SCANDAL�? written by David Hafetz of The New York Post.

The filing of the case came on the heels of the Rabbinical Council of America being publicly excoriated by the Chief Rabbinical Court of the State of Israel as a result of The Rabbinical Council of America’s longstanding contempt for the
rulings of that court. Widely reported in The Jewish Press, America’s largest independent Jewish weekly newspaper, the Rabbinical Council of America, Mark Dratch, Yosef Blau, Hershel
Billet and Basil Herring, were summoned to appear before the Chief Rabbinical Court of the State of Israel (case number: 900008858-35-1) by Rabbi Tendler on his claim that the organization dismissed him without due process and his related
claim that he was the victim of a conspiracy by the codefendants in the case, of malicious and libelous leaks made by Rabbi Yosef Blau, Rabbi Mark Dratch, Rabbi Herschel Billet, and Rabbi Basil Herring to Gary Rosenblatt Editor of the Jewish
Week. It is believed that Rosenblatt and Rabbi Yosef Blau are close friends. It will be claimed at the trial on the issues before the Rabbinical Court that the leaks were utilized and calculated by the conspirators to mislead and pressure others on the Rabbinical Council of America to dismiss Rabbi Tendler from the organization.

Rabbi Tendler noted that the filing of the (victim) Complaint was promptly followed by a professionally coordinated communal mailing of scandalous material containing reprehensibly false charges against him. This came after The Rabbinical Council of America hired a well known operative in the ultra orthodox
community, Rabbi Shmuel Fried, who has been in contact with the group of ultra orthodox rabbis publicly active in the anti Tendler.

The motion to dismiss the complaint denied the allegations and called the charges “scurrilous�?, “outrageous�? and “calculated to be sensational and damaging to Rabbi Tendler’s reputation in his community�?. The motion charged that the filing of the suit was a violation of the New York State Civil Rights Law. Rabbi Tendler noted that “The complaint was not even sworn to by the Plaintiff, (victim)�?. Instead her attorney filed the Complaint and the attorney swore to the allegations in place of (victim). A careful reading of the complaint shows that the lawyer stated that she swore that the allegation were true “upon information and belief.�? Attorney Lenore Kramer explained her reason for verifying the complaint instead of being sworn to by (victim) herself by stating that (victim) was not “now�? in the county of her office.

Rabbi Tendler noted that a Summons prepared by the same attorney Lenore Kramer and attached to the very same documents states that (victim) lives at a Manhattan address that is a short train ride from Kramer’s law office. “This was simply missed in most of the press reports�?, Rabbi Tendler noted. Rabbi Tendler contends that shortly after the filing of the (victim) complaint against him and his congregation, Kehillat New Hempstead, that some of his own congregants met with an attorney for the ultra orthodox rabbis who are believed
to have been previously contacted by the Rabbinical Council of America operative, Shmuel Fried, and who are believed to have orchestrated the local mass mailing campaign against Rabbi Tendler. With the rabbis at the attorney’s side, the lawyer
suggested that it could be arranged to have (victim) drop the case against his congregation if they immediately fired Rabbi Tendler. Rabbi Mordecai Tendler called today for the resignation of Rabbi Basil Herring, as Executive Vice President of the Rabbinical Council of America He also called for the resignation of Rabbi Mark Dratch, Rabbi Hershel Billet, and Rabbi Yosef Blau.
Herring who took the position at the Rabbinical Council of America after he was involuntarily separated from a rabbinical position in Atlantic Beach, New York, has been at the center of the scandal involving the organization.

Rabbi Tendler noted that the operative, Rabbi Shmuel Fried, has been paid a very significant sum for his activities on behalf of the organization in the Tendler matter. It is very likely that Herring, as Executive Vice President of the organization, has been instrumental in arranging the financing of Fried’s activities
through contributions from third parties to the Rabbinical Council of America. The source of contributions to the Rabbinical Council of America is being investigated at present.

Blau, Dratch and Herring also have a documented connection to a website called The Awareness Center. The Awareness Center is operated by Vicki Polin, whose background has been widely reported on various Internet sites. Rabbi Tendler
noted that a confidential letter sent by him to Rabbi Basil Herring now appears prominently on the website. Rabbi Yosef Blau was a member of the Board of Directors of the website and appears as a moderator of an online message group
associated with the website.

Rabbi Tendler stated that Rabbi Mark Dratch, who recently was involuntarily separated from his rabbinic position at Congregation Agudath Sholom in Stamford, resigned as a member of the Board of Director of the Awareness Center website.

The Awareness Center website had previously thanked Rabbi Dratch for using his Rabbi’s Discretionary Account at Congregation Agudath Sholom (a tax-exempt synagogue) in Stamford for donations to the Awareness Center website.
Rabbi Tendler noted that Rabbi Herschel Billet, who stepped down as Rabbi of the Young Israel of Woodmere, Long Island in 2005 to take a position as a business ethics expert at an international corporation, abruptly left his new position. In the
matter presented to the Jerusalem Court, Rabbi Tendler intends to prove at trial that Billet was a part of the conspiracy to libel him and conspired with Blau, Dratch and Herring to use the Internet blogs, websites, and connections with the
press to further the conspiracy.

At the trial of the matter which is before the Chief Rabbinical Court of the State of Israel, Rabbi Tendler will contend that Dratch, Billet, and Blau while working in concert with the Awareness Center, vetted the claims against him, and published
them on the internet to give them credence and then took the claims to the Rabbinical Council of America and pressured the venerable organization into expelling him by using their considerable contacts with The Jewish Week and The Forward and by leaking scandalous information to these newspapers. It is charged by Rabbi Tendler that the Defendants are still libeling Rabbi Tendler through associates on various Internet websites and blogs frequented by Blau and his associates.

Herring, Blau, Billet, Dratch and the Rabbinical Council of America have failed to appear for trial before the Chief Rabbinical Court of the State of Israel to answer the charges.

Rabbi Yosef Blau is also the President of the Religious Zionists of America.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:11 am
What’s with this dude? Is he certifiable yet? I think he’s a danger to himself. He’s committing suicide with each entry he makes on his web page.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:14 am
My favorite lines:
1) “It is believed that Rosenblatt and Rabbi Yosef Blau are close friends.”

Pssst… I hear Rosenblatt has other friends too…like Rabbi Saul Berman. Shhhhhh….. He MIGHT have other friends too, IT IS BELIEVED.

2) “Rabbinical Council of America is now believed linked to a coordinated local mass mailing campaign against Rabbi Tendler.”

They like the word “believed”.

3) “The Rabbinical Council of America hired a well known operative in the ultra orthodox community, Rabbi Shmuel Fried, who has been in contact with the group of ultra orthodox rabbis publicly active in the anti Tendler.”

Does he have a decoder ring and an RCA spy car too? I hear he has a license to daven.

4) “It is very likely that Herring, as Executive Vice President of the organization, has been instrumental in arranging the financing of Fried’s activities through contributions from third parties to the Rabbinical Council of America.”

“Likely”? This is hilarious.

5) “Blau, Dratch and Herring also have a documented connection to a website called The Awareness Center. The Awareness Center is operated by Vicki Polin, whose background has been widely reported on various Internet sites.

Tendler also has a “documented connection”. he is on their website.

I hear Mordechai Tendler and his brother Aron’s “background has been widely reported on various Internet sites.”

6) “The Awareness Center website had previously thanked Rabbi Dratch for using his Rabbi’s Discretionary Account at Congregation Agudath Sholom (a tax-exempt synagogue) in Stamford for donations to the Awareness Center website.”

Seems a better investment than the money paid from Mordechai Tendler’s discretionary fund to his victims.

5) “vetted the claims against him, and published
them on the internet to give them credence”

You sure you aren’t referring to the Jewish Press, the Jewish Voice and Opinion and your new websire?

6) “Rabbi Yosef Blau is also the President of the Religious Zionists of America.”

My God!!!!!!!! Until the last line in your conspiracy theory, I thought you might by kooky, but clearly if Zionists are conspiring with anti-Zionists ….. you must be a kook. IT IS BELIEVED AND IT IS LIKELY.

At least we know 12 hours in advance what the Jewish Press will be printing.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:52 am
I hope you don’t mind that I cut and pasted this to my blog. I wanted to make it easier for people to find and read. ...
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:52 am
Here’s what we know from the press release that was posted:

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insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 8:58 am
UPDATE

The KNH email list received a copy of a fax from the Jerusalem Beit Din. The fax is dated Jan 12, 2006 and is only in Hebrew. If anyone knows what the letter says, please post it here.
Fact checker Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 9:06 am
Dratch was not “involuntarily seperated” from his community. What is Tendler trying to suggest?
BT Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 9:45 am
OK you dont get my point do you? MK is our local frum politican, correct? MK knows and knows for a long time what RMT has been doing. Some of the victims came to him and told him everything. So what did he do? Nothing! He is a politician and a big lawyer and he doesn’t do nothing for them. He tells them he cant help them they should get a lawyer outside the community. He does law cases for goyim but not for Jews in our community. He should have gone immedeately to shut down the shul if he knew that RMT was with women in that office. And now that we have a crises, he runs away like a chicken to Isreal with his whole family. What kind of politician is that? So he protects the shuls and he fixed the roads. hoo hoo I am so impressed. The roads are paved oh I am so impressed. But a real problem and he is hands off and he runs away to Isreal. MK could easily have the police or District Attorney or another authority such as the health department or whatever investigate and put a stop to this a long time ago but he sat and puts his nose into roads and shuls and ignores the big issue that is disturbing everyone in NH. Now do you get my point?
KNHmember Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 9:54 am
BT Says: MK knows and knows for a long time what RMT has been doing. Some of the victims came to him and told him everything. So what did he do? Nothing!

And you know this for a fact? Or are you speculating as usual?
A guy goes to visit his children in Israel and you call him a “chicken”? You have a nerve!
Fact checker Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 10:12 am
Apparently, Rabbi Billet didn’t “leave” his shul either. His shul says he is on a sabbatical year.
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 10:12 am
I don’t know MK, and I’m not here to defend him. However, he is powerless to act.

Yes, he is a trustee (or deputy mayor) of New Hempstead. What do you expect MK to do, raise Rabbi Tendler’s property tax in an effort to force him to stop victimizing women?

Yes, he is a lawyer. However, lawyers do not make unilateral lawsuits. If someone came to MK with credible evidence, and that individual wanted to file suit against Rabbi Tendler, then MK could choose to represent the plaintiff in court. Just because he is a lawyer does not empower him to personally file legal claims against Rabbi Tendler.

If I were MK, I would not accept a case against Rabbi Tendler. MK was correct to suggest that the plaintiff seek a lawyer from outside of the community. MK has several layers of conflict of interest, including the fact that MK is an elected official who represents Rabbi Tendler (among others) in local government. In fact, I would be surprised if MK accepts any case where his client files suit against one of his constituents.

MK seems like a decent guy. I don’t know what BT’s gripe is all about.
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 10:28 am
BT writes:
>MK could easily have the police or District Attorney or another authority
>such as the health department or whatever

Health Department???? Are you serious?
District Attorney???? Police???? Consensual “interludes” between two adults is not a criminal offense. Unless there is proof that his “partners” were underage or raped, I fail to see how the District Attorney or Police could be involved.

The accusations against Rabbi Tendler are moral crimes, not legal crimes. If they were legal crimes, then he would be facing criminal charges, not a civil lawsuit.
MemberKNH2 Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 10:45 am
New Hempstead News.blogspot.com reports today that President Pomerantz of KNH is now threatning “perceived” Tendleriets.
This is Tendler’s bullying tactics, when he is down he sends his henchmen (fireman) to threaten anyone that opposes him!
Its time for everyone to send Pomerantz E-mails that we won’t stand for his abuse!
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 11:11 am
Fact Checker:

Keep up the good work.

Can you find out if Basil Herring was “involuntarily separated from a rabbinical position in Atlantic Beach, New York.”
Fact checker Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:01 pm
I am led to believe that Rabbi Herring was not “involuntarily seperated” from his rabbinical position in Atlantic Beach. In other words: Tendler is wrong again. Thats 3 for 3.
Truth Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:07 pm
Concerning Basil Herring and the claim of his involuntary separation from his synagogue in Atlantic Beach.

1. If it was involuntary separation, reasonable would assume that there was a problem there. then why would the RCA hire him immediately? That would imply that the synagogue felt he had done something improper. ! Why would the RCA then hire him immediately? MT’s claim in his filings seems absurd.

2. Atlantic Beach has a small Orthodox Community. A search of anywho telephone directory shows a Rabbi Basil Herring still living there. If I were a Rabbi involuntary separated from my synagogue I would not stay in the community. Would you?
Truth Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:09 pm
Sorry for the jumbled wording in paragraph one, in my first post.
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:19 pm
Newcomer MemberKNH2 writes:
>New Hempstead News.blogspot.com reports today that President
>Pomerantz of KNH is now threatning “perceived�? Tendleriets.

NewHempsteadNews has very little credibility in my book. It operated for a few months last year before it disappeared and only reappeared recently. Their blog, supposedly run by LeahM, has always been very sensationalist and has been very loose with the facts on many occasions. If they claim that Pomerantz is harassing anyone, then let them come forward with some credible facts.

SP is a decent guy, and is probably trying his best. He has never been a follower of Rabbi Tendler (as many KNH people have, even the midwives), and has no particular reason to defend him. SP is probably one of the only objective people left in KNH.

As I reported on Monday morning:
“This past Shabbat, the new KNH president (SP) did not sit in the usual seat of the president of KNH, on the stage at the front of the shul next to Rabbi Tendler. Instead, the new president boycotted Rabbi Tendler’s minyan and joined the 7am opposition minyan instead. This should be clear signal to those who questioned SP’s motivations.”
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
>insider Says:
>January 18th, 2006 at 8:58 am
>UPDATE
>
>The KNH email list received a copy of a fax from the Jerusalem
>Beit Din. The fax is dated Jan 12, 2006 and is only in Hebrew.
>If anyone knows what the letter says, please post it here.

Send a copy to the owner of this blog, SIW, at ... and get him to post it so the rest of us can see what you are talking about.
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
Someone is working on translating the fax for me. I’ll post the translation when they are done.

If the document gives support to Rabbi Tendler, then I suppose that it will appear on the ravtendlerdocuments site soon anyway (just a guess).
Fact checker Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 1:03 pm
Anyone know anything about theIsraeli Bes Din? Is it the really the Chief Rabbinical Court of the State of Israel? [The Tendler team used to refer to it as the Jerusalem Regional Bes Din of the Israeli Chief Rabbinate.] Why are they dealing with a case that has nothing to do with Israel? Why won’t Tendler sue the RCA here in the US in secular court or Bes Din? Why does he want the RCA rabbis to resign? I thought he wanted his sympathizers in the RCA to resign? What about the other rabbis on the RCA’s panel?
Victims Unite Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
insider Says:
“NewHempsteadNews has very little credibility in my book.�?

You have no credibility with victims; you maligned victims and supporters against abuse right here on this blog.
And no NewHempsteadNews is not as you claim ran “by LeahM�?. Again your credibility is falsely smearing.

If they claim that Pomerantz is harassing anyone, then let them come forward with some credible facts.
Already posted here, Pomerentz went to hit Tenlers’ victim
So as you claim “SP is a decent guy, and is probably trying his best.�? “He has never been a follower of Rabbi Tendler “. He is a tendler thug and best harasser. Tendler is his savior.

As I reported on Monday morning:
“This past Shabbat, the new KNH president (SP) did not sit in the usual seat of the president of KNH.
SO WHAT!
Fact checker Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 1:25 pm
Victims Unite Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 1:26 pm
BT Says:
OK you don’t get my point do you?….
Victims do; and an anonymous responded: “The point about some very local elected Jewish officials support or stance including him has significance for victims.�?
Yes he knew.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 1:26 pm
>Anyone know anything about theIsraeli Bes Din? Is it the
>really the Chief Rabbinical Court of the State of Israel?
>[The Tendler team used to refer to it as the Jerusalem
>Regional Bes Din of the Israeli Chief Rabbinate.]

Yes.

>Why are they dealing with a case that has nothing to
>do with Israel?

Because they are being misled by Team Tendler.

>Why won’t Tendler sue the RCA here in the US
>in secular court

Because they have open proceedings and perjury is punishable. Further obstruction of justice is punishable.

Further, it’s easier to mislead and mischaracterize things the further the distance.

>or Bes Din?

Because he’d lose, unless he can find one he can buy with his family’s influence.

>Why does he want the RCA rabbis to resign? I thought he
>wanted his sympathizers in the RCA to resign?

The later didn’t work, so now he has a new crazy resignation call.

>What about the other rabbis on the RCA’s panel?

He can only focus on a few of his enemies at any one time. Otherwise he’d have to ask for everyone’s head except his own.

Who’s left supporting him?
Fact checker Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 1:40 pm
This post got deleted somehow.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 1:42 pm
I hate the word “Victim” when referring to someone who was sexually violated. While they were being injured they were victimized.

They survived the victimization, so they should be considered “SURVIVORS”. Please change your name!
Fact checker Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 1:56 pm
SIW: why won’t my last two comments, which are the same actually, appear?
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 1:59 pm
Victims Unite writes:
>Already posted here, Pomerentz went to hit Tenlers’ victim

OK, I call your bluff. Please tell me where such a claim was made. I checked this entire thread, and nowhere does it say that SP attempted to hit anyone.

>Tendler is his savior.

By making this statement, it is clear that you have never spoken with SP about his views on Rabbi Tendler. SP never was a devotee of Rabbi Tendler, from the first day that he moved into New Hempstead.

Victims Unite can believe whatever he/she wants to. I will, once again, leave it up to the readers of this blog to decide who has established accuracy and credibility regarding information of what is taking place inside of KNH.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 2:11 pm
>SIW: why won’t my last two comments, which are the same actually,
>appear?

I can’t speak for SIW, but having had similar problems, I suspect your comments have automatically been picked up for moderation. Try posting without links or no more than one link. Break larger posts into a few.
Steven I. Weiss Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
Fact Checker - Sorry for not replying sooner. I don’t know what’s going wrong, but there’s simply no data in them. It’s not a moderation issue — JWB’s posts get caught up in that because of his anonymizer, but that’s not the problem here.
Are you posting plain text? If you e-mail it to me, I can see what the problem is, and/or post it for you.
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 2:29 pm
What is an ‘anonymizer’?
MemberKNH2 Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 3:07 pm
Again I repeat ….. SP is a Tendler thug, whether he sits “in his seat” or not!
He in fact threatened a “perceived” Anti-Tendler guy!
SP”s name was in fact given to the DA’s office as a person of interest!
no longer at knh! Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 3:24 pm
SP has boasted that he “protected” the “rav” on many occasions.
He was in charge of the “gaurds” keeping out anyone who would say anything against tendler at the sunday night love fest after the rca decision came out.
SP sent out at least two letters of defense on behalf of tendler since becoming pres- the latest being the recent letter from that disgrace of a court in jerusalem.
insider, what are you talking about?
NH Citizen Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 3:30 pm
SP is a stooge for politician Toomi Yeager who wants to ruin New Hempstead with multi family housing. His taking over KNH is really bad for NH. It supports Tendler and brings us one step closer to turning NH into an extension of Monsey with apartment houses and crowding.
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 3:40 pm
I already answered the question about the Sunday night meeting:

>I was at that meeting, and I disagree with your assessment. The
>meeting was a closed meeting, only open to KNH members and a
>few individuals who were personally invited. People were not
>admitted/denied based on their support for Rabbi Tendler. Trust me,
>I know people at that meeting who were “dissenters�?. They just chose
>not to speak up because of the apparent overwhelming support for
>Rabbi Tendler and concern for possible repercussions (being ostracized
>by the KNH community). The Rabbis who had already quit the shul
>(and/or their wives) were at the meeting. They can surely be counted
>among the “dissenters�?. To my knowledge, only one person (and his
>lawyer) was denied entry because he was not a member, was not
>invited and was obviously there to cause trouble (more than just
>“dissenting�?).

SP forwarded two emails to the KNH mailing list at the request of other people in KNH. One was written by Rabbi Tendler, and the other is a copy of a fax written by the Beit Din in Jerusalem. Do not be so quick to assume that just because SP forwarded those items to the mailing list that he somehow is Rabbi Tendler’s thug. Anyone in KNH has the right to ask for an email to be sent out on the whole shul email list (there was a message recently from someone selling a vacuum). The secretary of the board usually manages forwarding items to the mailing list. Since all of the supporters of Rabbi Tendler resigned (including the secretary), SP is the only person remaining to do it.

I have attended multiple meetings in the last several weeks where the board addressed the membership regarding Rabbi Tendler and the lawsuit against KNH. As far as I can tell, no one else here can make this claim. I know what was said at those meetings, and who said what. Rest assured, SP was not running to defend Rabbi Tendler.

The world is a strange place. SP could have changed his mind. I have no idea. However, I find it very hard to believe that SP tried to hit someone (as Victims Unite claims) or that he threatened anyone (as MemberKNH2 claims) without being physically provoked.
no longer at knh! Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 3:49 pm
I hope you are right.
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 4:12 pm
Have patience, and don’t gang up on SP just yet. There is stuff you don’t know, which I cannot explain at this time.

There is a timebomb in KNH. KNH cannot survive much longer, either religiously (no minyanim) or financially. (According to my recollection from the last budget vote, KNH’s expenses are 300% of the rent revenue from the yeshiva - primarily due to the Rabbi’s salary, which KNH cannot yet eliminate for legal reasons. Obviously, membership dues and donations are probably $0 at this point).

Action, in some form, must come soon. SP knows this. KNH knows this. SP did not run away from the problem like the pro-Tendler board members did. He stood up and accepted to take the helm of a practically doomed organization. Think about it. Cut him some slack while he deals with getting KNH through this nightmare and into the post-Tendler era.
no longer at knh! Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 5:27 pm
one thing is clear- noone who cares about Torah, morality, etc. should show any respect for tendler (e.g. walk out if he speaks anywhere, don’t call him rabbi, etc.) nor pay a cent to knh until he is gone permenently.
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 7:05 pm
The latest document that appears on the ravtendlerdocuments.com website (posted by Mr. Whistleblower, above) is now an official press release on PRNewswire. Link: ...
MemberKNH2 Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 8:15 pm
I must inform those who keep supporting SP ….
Trust me on this one …..
SP did in fact threaten a “perceived” Anti-Tendler guy!
I say “perceived” because this fellow actually supported Tendler!
This fellow reported this threat to the DA’s office….
The DA told him … that they already have a file on SP ….He is not a new name in their office ..
he had already threatened one of the victims a few months ago!
SP is a Bully!!
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 9:00 pm
Here’s an interesting fact. It appears Tendler is paying a company to do his press releases. Here’s the information:

Just US$399 gets you fantastic distribution: ...

Here’s Tendler’s press release on the company’s site: ...
insider Says:
January 18th, 2006 at 9:36 pm
>Trust me on this one …..

Why?

You have been on this blog for less than 12 hours and not have established any form of credibility.
doesnotbelonghere Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 3:34 am
I have absolutely no connection with the goings on chronicled here. I only know what I’ve read in recent articles and these two threads. However, I have some questions/comments for those who are involved:

1. Is it so hard to close shop, allow the congregation (that is the legal fiction) to go into bankruptcy, and reopen under a different name?

2. As an outside observer, I think the most shocking thing about this is that the congregation failed to set up a mechanism through which victims would have been able to get help. It’s my understanding that rumors and allegations have been percolating for some time. This may be my personal pet peeve about popular rabbis, but the fact is that they do develop a hardcore group of followers who are blind to sometimes obvious shortcomings of their leader. Rational congregants should have been aware of that.

3. Is it possible to modify the rights and privileges afforded to RT under the shul’s by-laws and not in his contract?

4. If the victim(s) run out of resources to continue their legal fight, would the shul start a fund for them?
insider Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 7:11 am
Another file was added to the ravtendlerdocuments website last night. HebrewHazmanaAndKsavTeviahWithTranslation.pdf is the original complaint filed by Rabbi Tendler against the RCA in the Jerusalem Beit Din in May 2005.
Link: ...
Old news.
Fact checker Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 9:40 am
SIW: I sent you an email to the adsress on your home page but my post
has n’t gone up.

[I’ve inserted Fact checker’s origingal comment below, as he sent it to my e-mail. I have no clue why this comment didn’t go through in the first place. — SIW]

What in the world does this mean? How do you “pressure a venerable organization” by using “considerable contacts with The Jewish Week and Forward”? What does one have to with the other? There are dozens of sentences like this that make no logical sense in the press release.

What is he getting at anyway? Does he really believe that the RCA panel deliberated based only on sensational newspaper stories? Does he believe that the respected Rabbi Billett had it in for him and bullied or fooled the other panel members into expelling him? Does he believe that the respected Rabbis Lookstein and Schwartz and Auman allowed themselves to be bullied or fooled into expelling him.

Ladies and Gentlemen, what you have here is a paranoid, delusional man.
no longer at knh! Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 9:42 am
Maybe there should be press releases from the CRI (I mean the anti-tendler one, of course). It is time that the Jewish world wakes up to the tendler gang- and that includes their lackeys such as the Voice and the jewish press…
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 9:57 am
Nu?

>jewishwhistleblower Says:
>
>January 18th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
>>insider Says:
>>January 18th, 2006 at 8:58 am
>>UPDATE
>>
>>The KNH email list received a copy of a fax from the Jerusalem
>>Beit Din. The fax is dated Jan 12, 2006 and is only in Hebrew.
>>If anyone knows what the letter says, please post it here.
>
>Send a copy to the owner of this blog, SIW, at … and get him to post it >so the rest of us can see what you are talking about.
>
>insider Says:
>
>January 18th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
>Someone is working on translating the fax for me. I’ll post
>the translation when they are done.
>
>If the document gives support to Rabbi Tendler, then
>I suppose that it will appear on the ravtendlerdocuments
>site soon anyway (just a guess).
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 10:05 am
Here’s an important article that I think could be helpful to past and current members of Tendler’s shul

“It Hurts” (Leaving a Cult) - By Jan Groenveld ...
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 10:08 am
I also posted the article on my blog, just in case you have trouble finding it on The Awareness Center’s site: ...
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 11:28 am
Here’s another article that might be helpful to current and past members of the shul.
Cost of Abusehttp://theawarenesscenter.org/costofabuse.html
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 11:29 am
...
Vicki Polin Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 12:03 pm
I was just reading an article that I thought was appropriate to share here. I think it’s important to know what direction laws may be going in the future.

Another View: Child molesters, enablers must face tougher civil penalties ...
Fact checker Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Perhaps instead of issuing press releases attacking other people Rabbi Tendler can explain how it is that he wrote that such and such a rabbi exonerated him and that same rabbi when asked said that it wasn’t true.
insider Says:
January 19th, 2006 at 8:49 pm
Another file was added to the ravtendlerdocuments website today. HachlataFromBeisDin.pdf is a letter from the Jerusalem Beit Din in November 2005.
Link: ...
Old news.
no longer at knh! Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 8:03 am
Factcheker- excellent point!
Of course everyone already knows the answer- he is a perpetual lie machine! He has 0 credibility on anything and that is something anyone should understand!
no longer at knh! Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 12:40 pm
It looks like some people in monsey received free toliet paper in the mail (the so called jewish voice and opinion) coutesy of the spinmeisters tendler. The voice has even less credibility and is an even greater rag than the jewish press, if that is possible. If it weren’t for the harm to the victims, the chilul Hashem, the destruction of people’s lives etc. that the tendlers and their enablers have caused it would be qa joke- as is, it is a huge tragedy.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
Anyone?

>jewishwhistleblower Says:
>
>January 18th, 2006 at 12:25 pm
>>insider Says:
>>January 18th, 2006 at 8:58 am
>>UPDATE
>>
>>The KNH email list received a copy of a fax from the Jerusalem
>>Beit Din. The fax is dated Jan 12, 2006 and is only in Hebrew.
>>If anyone knows what the letter says, please post it here.
>
>Send a copy to the owner of this blog, SIW, at … and get him to post it >so the rest of us can see what you are talking about.
>
>insider Says:
>
>January 18th, 2006 at 12:35 pm
>Someone is working on translating the fax for me. I’ll post
>the translation when they are done.
>
>If the document gives support to Rabbi Tendler, then
>I suppose that it will appear on the ravtendlerdocuments
>site soon anyway (just a guess).
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 12:53 pm
>It looks like some people in monsey received free toliet paper
>in the mail (the so called jewish voice and opinion) coutesy of
>the spinmeisters tendler. The voice has even less credibility
>and is an even greater rag than the jewish press, if that is
>possible. If it weren’t for the harm to the victims, the chilul
>Hashem, the destruction of people’s lives etc. that the tendlers
>and their enablers have caused it would be qa joke- as is, it is
>a huge tragedy.

This is just more evidence that Susan Rosenbluth is an executioner and NOT a journalist.

Does anyone remember copies of the Jewish Week being mass mailed aound NJ when they ran the Lanner expose? Of course not. Rosenblatt is a journalist.
no winners here Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 1:01 pm
The Jewish Voice and Opinion is a New Jersey circular. I have been receiving it for years because my children have gone to yeshivah in NJ. Although Susan R. is certainly being fed her info by the pro-Tendler faction I wouldn’t assume the people who received the latest edition haven’t been getting it all along.
no longer at knh! Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
No winners- I wrote what I did from firsthand knowledge not assumption.
no longer at knh! Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 1:12 pm
The people who were or still are at knh need to press for an investigation of the fincial side of all of this- where did the money that was given for the mikveh before it was taken over by the larger mikveh group go? A lot of money was in the account before the latest incarnation of the mikveh committee took over- did they receive the old contributions? Was our money used to pay off women that tendler slept with? Did it go for the tendler deffense (more like offense- smer campaign)? I think we deserve to know, if not to be reimberused!!!
Victims Unite Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 2:22 pm
This issue of Susan R. Voice and Opinions attacking and falsely maligning the victim is apparently being put in many mail boxes in the NH area. This is criminal and harassment. These are the tactics of Tendler and the Tendlerites to get others to attack, intimidate, threaten and harass as well as their own aggressive actions. Please call Attorney for Tendlers’ victim Lenore Kramer, Esq. (212) 226-6662. 350 Braodway, Suite 1100 New York, New York 10013. If you received this; or have witness any other harassments of the victim, supporters or anyone who stood-up against Tendlers’ abuse or any activity to harass or silence any of the survivors or anyone regarding this case be advised that this may constitute obstruction of justice and may well be a criminal offense; contact Lenore Kramer.
Full of Bull Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 3:06 pm
Putting a magazine in a mailbox is obstruction of justice?

Where are you from? Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.

Get a life.

Now I can hardly wait to read what they served for Kiddush at KNH.

Wait for the trial. If there is one.
FORMER KNH"ER Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
Last seen in Bridle Road area at 315 pm

Be on the lookout for a minivan that is putting THE JV&O in peoples mailboxes. What is strange is that I get it every month (rcvd it 2 weeks ago) and now have a 2nd copy that was put in in the last 1/2 hour.

Tendler is losing it - Refuah Shelemah!!!
MonseyGuy Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
I thought it was illegal for private individuals to deposit UNWANTED mail in private mailboxes that are the property of the US Postal Service.
Especially if it is (in the receiver’s opinion) aggravating and salacious material. Isn’t that a crime ????
insider Says:
January 20th, 2006 at 4:16 pm
It is illegal (Federal Offense) to put anything in a mailbox aside from actual postal mail. True, this is not a law which is commonly enforced, but it is an actual law nonetheless.

Rest assured that nothing written in the JV&O (a non-local paper which most people in Monsey have never even heard of) will change the minds of people who read the letter signed by 7 respected local rabbis.
insider Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 6:23 pm
no longer at knh writes:
>The people who were or still are at knh need to press for an investigation
>of the fincial side of all of this- where did the money that was given for
>the mikveh before it was taken over by the larger mikveh group go?

The Mikva was a separate financial entity, and Rabbi Tendler did not have direct control of those funds. SR was responsible for the funds, and I believe that they are all accounted for. The money was spent for the architects and lawyers. The mikva was redesigned several times (costing plenty of money, I’m sure). The re-design was necessary for several reasons. First, the cost of the Mikvah was way too high and it had to be scaled back a few times, including the physical location of the building on the KNH property. Second, the New Square mikvah committee (which has a monopoly on all mikvahs in Monsey) was creating problems for the New Hempstead mikvah (which was not under their supervision). The mikvah was redesigned a few times in an attempt to comply with their wishes in the hopes of getting their financial backing.

The true scandal is probably in the KNH Discretionary Fund that Rabbi Tendler controlled. A lot of people donated to that fund at the request of Rabbi Tendler. A neighbor of mine reportedly gave $80,000 shortly before he died (very young, unfortunately). Rabbi Tendler always claimed that the KNH Discretionary Fund was a separate entity from the shul and operated under its own tax ID number. However, some people at KNH attempted to research this issue, and could not find any registered non-profit organization registered as the “KNH Rabbi’s Discretionary Fund”, or any similar name.
insider Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 6:46 pm
UPDATE
This week’s minyans at KNH had roughly the same number of people as last week.
insider Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 7:13 pm
IMPORTANT INFO

As I reported previously, a group of pro-Tendler members of the KNH board resigned two weeks ago. This seemed strange, since they had majority control of the board and could have remained on the board and continued to protect Rabbi Tendler. What made them decide to resign?

I learned today that the board members resigned shortly after a highly-respected female member of KNH came forward to the board with evidence against Rabbi Tendler. The woman saw Rabbi Tendler’s car alone in the KNH parking lot at an unusual hour. She heard voices in Rabbi Tendler’s office and tried to open the door, but it was locked. Rabbi Tendler would not open the door for several minutes. When he finally opened the door, the KNH member entered his office and noticed the “plaintiff” trying to hide in his closet. Rabbi Tendler became very flustered, and admitted to the KNH member that the “plaintiff” was in his office with him but that nothing inappropriate was taking place. The KNH member left the building, but remained nearby and saw Rabbi Tendler and the woman exit the building together 15-20 minutes later. The woman was dressed in a very seductive outfit.

My source heard this information first-hand from one of the pro-Tendler board members who resigned.
knhmember2 Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 7:22 pm
This story of “The Insider” is absolutely true. In fact this will come out in Discovery, once the lawsuit gets on its way!
In fact, alot more evidence appeared in the last two weeks and given over to the “plantiff’s” lawyer!
Good Luck Mordechai
No Lawyer but Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 7:41 pm
Insider:
Do you know this highly-respected woman? Is she someone who can’t be labelled crazy?

Is this enough of a smoking gun for the board, or do they still need better evidence? Thank you very much.
mr Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 8:15 pm
New hempstead news reported aron tendler resigned. Can anybody confirm this?
insider Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 8:31 pm
No Lawyer but writes:
>Do you know this highly-respected woman?
>Is she someone who can’t be labelled crazy?

I tried to find out the woman’s name, but she asked that her name not be used and the board is respecting her request, apparently. Since I was told that she is “highly-respected”, I think that this implies that she is not crazy. If the front door of the shul was locked (I don’t know for sure), then this might be a clue regarding who the woman is. I doubt that many women in the shul know the combination to the doors (but this is just a guess).

>Is this enough of a smoking gun for the board, or do they still need
>better evidence? Thank you very much.

As you can see, Tendler’s supporters all quit the board, supposedly as a direct result of this evidence. However, all the evidence in the world does not make the legal issues disappear. Whoever gave Rabbi Tendler a lifetime contract is probably kicking themselves at this point. Rabbi Tendler has made it clear to the whole shul that he will fight to the end, so it could take time for the board to get rid of him.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 9:41 pm
>New hempstead news reported aron tendler resigned. Can
>anybody confirm this?

I’ve received confirmation from one source without details and am trying to get an additional source to confirm (and of course details).

I’m still being cautious here until I have details, but it appears at this point to be a credible report.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 9:49 pm
Luke Ford is reporting new details on Aron Tendler’s resignation at: ...

If true, and I would note that Luke’s reporting in this area has been VERY ACCURATE, it raises many questions as to the inaction of the leadership of the LA rabbinical community and whether Luke Ford is again more deserving of the title “Your Moral Leader” then many of those we count in our Orthodox leadership. Where is the Jewish Journal?
insider Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 10:00 pm
>Luke Ford is reporting new details on Aron Tendler’s resignation

Luke Ford’s merely quotes the New Hempstead News blog.

Here is what Luke writes:
>From the New Hempstead blog: “Aaron Tendler of LA,
>brother of embattled Mordechai Tendler, has abruptly resigned
>from his Rabbinical post after been told he would be thrown out,
>because of accusations of sexual misconduct!”

Luke might have some credibility, but the New Hempstead News blog certainly has not proven itself (yet).
insider Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 10:04 pm
PS. I’m not saying that the Aron Tendler story is not true. It very well might be true. My only point is that NHN gives no source, and Luke uses NHN as his source that Aron Tendler resigned.

Since Luke lives in the area, it should be fairly easy for him to confirm. I’m sure that he’ll have more to write on this topic shortly.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 11:02 pm
>Luke uses NHN as his source that Aron Tendler resigned.

I suggest you read Luke’s full post, he clearly is posting material not from NHN.
A Reak KNH Insider Says:
January 21st, 2006 at 11:42 pm
insider Says:

January 21st, 2006 at 7:13 pm
IMPORTANT INFO

As I reported previously, a group of pro-Tendler members of the KNH board resigned two weeks ago. This seemed strange, since they had majority control of the board and could have remained on the board and continued to protect Rabbi Tendler. What made them decide to resign?

I learned today that the board members resigned shortly after a highly-respected female member of KNH came forward to the board with evidence against Rabbi Tendler. The woman saw Rabbi Tendler’s car alone in the KNH parking lot at an unusual hour. She heard voices in Rabbi Tendler’s office and tried to open the door, but it was locked. Rabbi Tendler would not open the door for several minutes. When he finally opened the door, the KNH member entered his office and noticed the “plaintiff�? trying to hide in his closet. Rabbi Tendler became very flustered, and admitted to the KNH member that the “plaintiff�? was in his office with him but that nothing inappropriate was taking place. The KNH member left the building, but remained nearby and saw Rabbi Tendler and the woman exit the building together 15-20 minutes later. The woman was dressed in a very seductive outfit.

My source heard this information first-hand from one of the pro-Tendler board members who resigned.

Seems there is a leak at the board level. Information is a very useful and valuable tool. But it’s also dangerous if misused. Be forewarned
Watching Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 5:11 am
This “highly-respected female member of KNH (who)came forward to the board with evidence against Rabbi Tendler,�? is SS who is Tendlers’ closet lover and whom Tendler convinced his KNH members that she is-respected highly because she is married, a apart of the clan, and has a very emotional attachment to her. They don’t want anyone to discover them. As for the other victims he convinced you (KNH members) that they are crazy to also hide his craziness of being a sexual predator. And you continue to believe in him which frankly is even more foolish because you are convinced his victims are crazy. But they aren’t, not one bit. This so called “highly-respected�? women you(KNH members) label is in fact accurately the women who is always seen with him “at unusual hour�?. As before sunrise during Selichos services began-her and the Rabbi alone in his office (which was after the RCA expelled him); as in before sunrise Yom Kippur; as in she was there for an hour each having sex with Tendler the day of his daughters wedding and the following day. She was there Nov. 7th, Dec. 2005, and many documented dates where she meets with him like the others when members leave the shul. Yes she is really “highly-respected�? and modest too, that is why she doesn’t meet with him at his home when Michelle is there but in his office after hours alone; that is why she meets with him privately at her home, in Israel, and many other places. And NO she doesn’t meet with him alone because she’s talking to him about the accusations made against him as she claims to KNH members to explain why she is with him; and NO she’s not at Tendlers’ office alone because she’s talking to him about her problems with her son or her children’s education; Yes, she is talking to him alone about other women being behind his closed doors because she believes she is the only one. And her testimony to KNH members repeated here isn’t accurate. As on that day there was another car in the driveway SHE CAME THERE ALONE as always after members left TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM but found the door locked and knew that must mean some other women is there as he locks the doors when he is there with women alone. She never saw the women and also left with Tendler on that day and then met him at Bubbas afterwards. In fact all her testimonies now are to hide behind them to take the focus from her that she has had the longest sexual relationship with him. That many people have seen her with him for many years. She is married with children.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 9:02 am
The following has been confirmed to me by multiple sources:

Letters were sent out last week, to Shaaray Zedek members, informing them that Aron Tendler, after much soul searching, had resigned. Aron is staying on until after Rosh Hashanah and will continue living in the community.
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 9:33 am
Did the letter give a reason for his resignation?
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 9:37 am
Never mind, Luke’s site answers my question.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 10:44 am
What should we do about sexual predators like the Tendler brothers, child molester Aron and women abuser Mordecai?

Is monitoring or control effective?

KNH has shown us the answer is no.

Is Teshuvah possible?

On this I defer to the public statement by their father on what to do with sexual predators like them:

Castration of sex offenders raises ethical questions
St. Petersburg Times
September 28, 1996
by Gerald Renner, Religion News Service
…
Concerned about the implications of measures designed to control the sexual impulses of sex offenders, ethicists of various religious traditions are questioning a new California law that requires repeat sex offenders to take drugs or be surgically castrated after being paroled from prison.

For some ethicists, the permanence of surgical castration raises moral and ethical concerns. Others wonder whether chemical or surgical means of lowering the sex drive is an effective deterrent to future crimes. But the larger issue is philosophical: What doe sanctioned mutilation say about society as a whole?
…
“Castration does not inhibit his activity at all,'’ said Rabbi Moses D. Tendler, professor of Jewish medical ethics at Yeshiva University in New York.

“Someone who is a pedophile will not be stopped by the fact he has no testicles,'’ said Tendler, adding that the rate of recidivism for sex offenders is so high they should be jailed for life.
…
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 11:06 am
BREAKING NEWS

The court date for the motion to dismiss the lawsuit against Rabbi Tendler is set for Monday, January 30th. I am told that the basis for the motion is that Clergy misconduct is not considered a legal basis for civil lawsuits in New York state.

SUPREME COURT
NEW YORK COUNTY
Index Number: 117629/2005
Case Status: ACTIVE

By MOTION, originally made returnable on January 30, 2006, WILSON ELSER MOSKOWITZ/EDELMAN for the DEFENDANT (TENDLER) moved this court, in MOTION PART, seeking the following relief: DISMISS ACTION. This motion is currently pending before the court and is assigned to Judge SOLOMON, JANE.

This is the next scheduled appearance for this motion.

Complete Motion Appearance Activity:
On January 30, 2006, an appearance is scheduled on this motion before Judge SOLOMON, JANE in MOTION PART.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 12:02 pm
Mordecai’s lawyers (latest ones):

WILSON ELSER MOSKOWITZ EDELMAN & DICKER LLP
677 Broadway
Albany, New York 12207
(Albany County)
Telephone: 518-449-8893
Facsimile: 518-449-8927
Url: ...

PRACTICE: Accounting Liability, Admiralty Law, Agents and Brokers Liability, Alternative Dispute Resolution, Appellate Practice, Architects and Engineers Liability, Asbestos Defense, Aviation Law, Commercial Law, Construction Law, D&O Liability, Employment Law, Environmental Law, General Liability, Health Care, Insurance Bad Faith, Insurance Coverage, Intellectual Property, Lawyers’ Malpractice, Medical Malpractice, Municipal Law, Product Liability, Professional Liability, Toxic Torts, Trucking Law, Transportation Liability.

FIRM-PROFILE: Wilson Elser Moskowitz Edelman & Dicker LLP maintains the state’s largest law firm lobbying team in the Albany office. Armed with unmatched experience and a track record of navigating the myriad of governmental channels, the team provides clients doing business before state agencies and the Legislature with a formula for success. The firm’s Albany-based Health Law practice is fully versed in the complex regulatory issues impacting the health care industry. This practice works with clients to secure success in legislative and regulatory matters. Both groups uphold the firm’s mission to provide clients with the very best in ideas, knowledge, counseling, auditing, exposure management, and dispute prevention and resolution. Wilson Elser is responsive to client needs and sets benchmarks of excellence, exceeding them whenever possible. Through our network of offices and international affiliations, we are committed to being the leading and largest law firm in the world in our core practice areas.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 pm
SIW, I think this ties into your slum landlord story.

Former WILSON ELSER MOSKOWITZ EDELMAN & DICKER LLP employee Bruce Teitelbaum and why an innocent 22-year-old Mexican day laborer named Eduardo Daniel is dead.

see: ...
…
Then, at 8:35 a.m. on Nov. 23, as a construction crew began pouring concrete for the third floor of what was to be a six-building rowhouse at 50 Middleton St. in a Hasidic section of Williamsburg, the floor gave way. A 22-year-old Mexican day laborer named Eduardo Daniel was killed, and 11 other workers were hurt. As tragic as it was, the episode might have been quickly forgotten if not for the discovery that the contractor had been getting away with shoddy work for a long time.

What’s more, The News reported that a tough building inspector, Trivisonno, had been forced out as chief of the Brooklyn Buildings Department office nine months before the collapse because Orthodox builders complained to City Hall that he was too rough on them.
…
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 12:41 pm
Shades of Tendler

Here is an example of a case his current law firm tackled:

Valleyhead files denial of lawsuit’s allegations
By Tony Dobrowolski Berkshire Eagle Staff
The Berkshire Eagle (Pittsfield, MA)
July 14, 2002

Valleyhead Inc. of Lenox has denied allegations in a lawsuit filed by a former employee who claims she was fired last year in retaliation for reporting “terrifying, shocking, repulsive and illegal activities” at the school for troubled girls on Reservoir Road.
…
Attorneys George C. Rockas and Lisa A. Shapiro of Wilson, Elser, Moskowitz, Edelman & Dicker of Boston filed the response with the court on Valleyhead’s behalf.
…
The problems Knoepler alleges in her complaint range from the denial of basic needs to students, below-average health care, several incidents of staff assaults, failure to report the sexual assault of students, and efforts to cover up sexually abusive conduct between a staff member and a student.
…
In response, Valleyhead claimed it “acted appropriately” in protecting the health, safety and welfare of its residents, had no knowledge of the OCCS starting an “immediate” investigation, and denied Knoepler’s employment was terminated for retaliatory purposes.
…
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 12:46 pm
Fraud Probed at State Insurance Dept.
Agency head denies link to his quitting
by Rex Smith. Newsday Albany Bureau Chief
Newsday (Melville, NY)
January 11, 1990
…
A day after the state insurance superintendent announced his resignation, the state comptroller said yesterday that his office had uncovered fraud and criminal activity in the Insurance Department’s Liquidation Bureau.

Investigations also are under way by the state attorney general, the state inspector general and the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, officials confirmed.

Aides to Gov. Mario Cuomo and Insurance Superintendent James Corcoran denied any wrongdoing and denounced Comptroller Edward Regan for releasing what they said was misleading information. They insisted that Corcoran’s departure, announced Tuesday, was unrelated to the investigation.

Newsday has learned, meanwhile, that Corcoran is joining a law firm Regan says earned more than $1.6 million from the Insurance Department from 1985 through 1988 under a no-bid process.
…
According to figures compiled by Regan, the law firm that Corcoran plans to join is one of the top five firms in business channeled by the Liquidation Bureau in 1988. That firm - Wilson, Elser, Moskowitz, Edelman & Dicker - was awarded more than $498,000 in business by the bureau, without competitive bid. Under state ethics laws, Corcoran would be forbidden for two years from lobbying the department. Foley said Corcoran’s work with the law firm would involve federal and international affairs and there would be no conflict of interest.
…
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 12:48 pm
EX-HEAD OF INSURER IS INDICTED
Associated Press.
Chicago Tribune
November 6, 1989

The former chief of Transit Casualty Co., a high-risk insurer that left billions of dollars in unpaid claims when it failed in 1985, has been charged with filing a false statement to state regulators, a prosecutor said Sunday.

George Pettengill Bowie, 64, Transit`s former chairman and chief
executive officer, pleaded innocent Thursday in Cole County Circuit Court, county Prosecutor Richard Callahan said in a telephone interview from Jefferson City, 130 miles east of Kansas City.
…
Nevertheless, Bowie resigned Friday as a partner in the law firm of Wilson, Elser, Moskowitz, Edelman and Dicker because of the charge, Margulis said. Bowie, who lives in Los Angeles, has refused to return repeated phone calls to his office in recent months.
…
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 1:00 pm
Tendler lawyers’ standard tactic.

1)
B’s ask court to KO sex assault case
by Michael O’connor
Boston Herald (MA)
April 3, 1993

The Boston Bruins have requested that the (victim) sexual assault case be quashed. “Basically, they want it thrown out of court,” said (victim)’s attorney Stewart Karlin yesterday. “Before, they were saying nothing happened, but now they want to go along with the USAir action, that something happened but that it was consensual.”

A 30-page motion, filed in U.S. District Court in Brooklyn, N.Y., argues for dismissal of the claim brought against the team. The former USAir flight attendant claims she was abused by several Bruins on a May 1991 charter flight. (Victim) is also suing USAir.
…
The Bruins have retained the Manhattan law firm of Wilson, Elser, Moskowitz, Edelman and Dicker to defend the hockey club against (victim)’s claims.
…

2)
Hockey Bruins lose bid to dismiss lawsuit
Boston Herald (MA)
September 21, 1993

The Bruins have lost their bid to have the $5 million lawsuit filed against them by former USAir flight attendant (victim) dismissed by a New York court. Stewart Carlin, the Florida- and New York-based attorney representing (victim), received notification yesterday that U.S. District Court Judge Charles Sifton had ruled against the Bruins’ motion for dismissal of the case.

The lawsuit now proceeds to the discovery phase, in which depositions will be taken from (victim), B’s players, club officials, USAir employees and/or other potential witnesses in the case. Carlin said he anticipates the discovery phase lasting about six months, followed by perhaps two months of additional pretrial groundwork.

“Judge Sifton is pretty good, so I’d expect we’d go to trial within a year,” said Carlin.
…
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 1:31 pm
Every law firm has handled messy cases. Law firms chase money, like any other business. The fact that Tendler’s lawyer has handled messy cases in the past does not surprise me, nor does it reflect on the Tendler case in my opinion. I’m sure that I could dig up lots of dirt on Adina’s lawyers as well. It would be equally meaningless.
knhmember2 Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 1:50 pm
I thought Tendler wants his day in court? Why would he ask to KO the lawsuit?
Why not go through the lawsuit once and for all and clear his name?
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 1:51 pm
If Mr. Whistleblower wants to spend his time researching the parties involved in the motion to dismiss, he should try to find cases handled by Judge Jane Solomon in the area of clergy misconduct or clergy abuse.
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 1:53 pm
knhmember2 writes:

>I thought Tendler wants his day in court? Why would he ask to
>KO the lawsuit? Why not go through the lawsuit once and for all
>and clear his name?

I have been making the exact same point for a few weeks. However, the reality of the situation is that most people would take the easy dismissal rather than risk losing a lawsuit (even if they think that they are innocent).

Let’s all hope that Judge Solomon does not dismiss the lawsuit.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 2:11 pm
Here is a leading case:

Wende C. et al., Appellants, v. United Methodist Church, New York West Area, Defendant, and Western New York Conference of United Methodist Church et al., Respondents.
CA 03-01335
SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, FOURTH DEPARTMENT
6 A.D.3d 1047; 776 N.Y.S.2d 390; 2004 N.Y. App. Div.
April 30, 2004, Decided
April 30, 2004, Entered
…
OPINION: [*1048] [**392] Appeal from an order of the Supreme Court, Monroe County (Andrew V. Siracuse, J.), entered October 2, 2002. The order dismissed the complaint and denied plaintiffs’ motions and cross motion for summary judgment.

It is hereby ordered that the order so appealed from be and the same hereby is affirmed without [***2] costs.

Memorandum: Plaintiffs commenced this action against defendants, including the pastor of their former church and various ecclesiastical entities and officials, seeking to recover punitive damages as well as compensatory damages for pain and [*1049] suffering and mental anguish allegedly sustained as a result of an adulterous relationship between plaintiff Wende C. and the pastor, defendant Dr. G. Charles T. (defendant T.). Wende C. and her husband, plaintiff David C., allegedly were receiving pastoral counseling at the time of the sexual relationship. Supreme Court properly denied plaintiffs’ motions and cross motion for summary judgment, searched the record and granted summary judgment sua sponte to defendant T. dismissing the complaint against him.
…
Thus, we submit that issues of fact exist that preclude summary judgment on plaintiffs’ breach of fiduciary duty cause of action, specifically with respect to whether (1) Wendy C. placed trust and confidence in defendant T. to counsel her to wellness and to avoid any sexual contact, especially in light of her explicitly stated desire to end the counseling relationship because of the possibility of romantic/sexual involvement; (2) David C. placed trust and confidence in defendant T. to help his marriage and avoid further harm to his marriage; and (3) defendant T. undertook the trust and confidence reposed in him by both Wendy C. and David C. and then abused that trust and confidence. In our view, such an inquiry entails nothing more nor less than an examination of the reposed and allegedly abused trust and avoids an inquiry into religious doctrine.

Finally, we would deny those parts of the motion of Conference and Lubba and the cross motion of Hae-Jong Kim for summary judgment dismissing plaintiffs’ claims of negligent supervision and retention against them. In our view, plaintiffs met their burden in opposition [***26] by tendering sufficient evidence to raise issues of fact warranting a trial regarding those remaining defendants’ notice or knowledge [**400] of defendant T.’s tendencies to sexually abuse congregants and/or the actual conduct at issue here. However, we conclude that the court properly granted the cross motion of defendant Hosanna Junction United Methodist Church (Hosanna Junction) for summary judgment dismissing the complaint against it. Hosanna Junction met its initial burden of establishing its entitlement to judgment as a matter of law, and plaintiffs failed to raise a material issue of fact sufficient [*1059] to warrant a trial on the issue whether Hosanna Junction could be held liable for the hiring, firing or supervision of defendant T.

We therefore would modify the order by vacating the award of summary judgment to defendant T. in part, reinstating plaintiffs’ sexual battery and breach of fiduciary duty causes of action against him, and denying the motion of Conference and Lubba and the cross motion of Hae-Jong Kim in part, reinstating plaintiffs’ claims of negligent supervision and retention against them.
…
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 2:43 pm
>The court date for the motion to dismiss
>the lawsuit against Rabbi Tendler is set
>for Monday, January 30th. I am told that
>the basis for the motion is that Clergy
>misconduct is not considered a legal basis
>for civil lawsuits in New York state.

The SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION decision in the above April 30, 2004 decision indicates otherwise.
knhmember2 Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 3:02 pm
Some KNH members indicated awhile ago that if Tendler tries to KO the lawsuit and doesn’t give it a chance so he can clear his name, they would stop davening there!
So lets see if that happens!
Victims Unite Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 3:31 pm
insider Says: I could dig up lots of dirt on NAME REMOVED(Plaintiffs) lawyers. Hey Mr. DR who calls himself “insider�?-STOP USING the VICTIMS NAME. STOP acting familiar with her as you also refer to her by her first name. You have quite an ego thinking you know her. You also state you know Tendler which you don’t. You sign a letter of support of Tendler to the Jewish Press. You have let this abuse take place. You will only fine the Planiffs law firm reputable.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 3:58 pm
>be on the lookout for a minivan that is putting
>THE JV&O in peoples mailboxes. What is strange
>is that I get it every month (rcvd it 2 weeks ago)
>and now have a 2nd copy that was put in in the
>last 1/2 hour.

Let’s just note the following:
1) The January 2006 Jewish Voice and Opinion is posted online 2-3 weeks earlier than it ever has before.
2) Several hundred copies flood the Monsey area.

This is just more evidence that Susan Rosenbluth is an executioner and NOT a journalist. Susie is a charter member of Team Tendler.
ploni Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 4:24 pm
For a lengthy halachic discussion about the halachic validity of persistent rumors in cases like this, see “Let Them Talk: The Mitzvah to Speak Lashon Hara” at .... Included in this article is the following:

Even persistent rumors (kala de-lo pasik) alone may be proof enough. The Talmud applies this to the case of a rabbi, an individual who must be a moral exemplar for his community. When a rabbi’s integrity is called into question by persistent rumors, he can no longer function in a rabbinic capacity. Thus, Mo’ed Katan 17a:
There was once a certain rabbi about whom rumors of impropriety were being circulated. Said Rav Yehudah, “How is one to act? To put the shammeta (excommunicative ban) on him [we cannot], as the Rabbis have need of him [as an able teacher]. Not to put the shammeta on him [we cannot tolerate] as the Name of Heaven is being profaned.�? Said he to Rabbah b. Bar Hana, “Have you heard a teaching on that point?�? He replied, “Thus said R. Yohanan: What means the text, ‘For the priest’s lips should keep knowledge and they should seek the law at his mouth; for he is an angel of the Lord of Hosts (Malakhi 2:7)’? [It means, that] if a rabbi is like an angel of the Lord of Hosts, they should seek the law at his mouth; but if not, they should not seek the law at his mouth.�? [Thereupon] Rav Yehudah pronounced the shammeta on him.

Even if a certain individual performs invaluable service for the community and is deemed “indispensable�? by some, he may not continue in his position if his character or behavior is not above reproach. And only “if a rabbi is like an angel of the Lord of Hosts, should they seek the law at his mouth�? because the teaching of Torah is more than just an intellectual experience, the passing on of information and insights into the text. Torah is also a spiritual and moral encounter. No matter how brilliant and insightful, if the rabbi is not a moral exemplar and spiritual role model, his Torah is deficient and one should not learn from him
A Real Atty Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 5:26 pm
Guys and girls: stop with the legal analysis and trying to throw mud on Tendler’s lawyers. You don’t know what you are talking about. Tendler’s firm is a well known defense firm. You are not impugning the firm with these cases that you find. It’s a silly exercise, and very amateurish.
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 5:48 pm
To Victims Unite:

I see no reason to hide Adina’s name. She has not taken any steps to keep her name hidden. Why should we? For example, she gave explicit approval to her lawyers to send copies of her lawsuit to the NY Post. (The NY Post has a circulation of over 675,000 in addition to countless thousands of online readers.) Adina’s lawyers were even interviewed by David Hafetz for the story, which is unethical without the consent of the client (namely, Adina). Clearly, Adina is not trying to keep her name hidden from the public. I see no reason to do so either. I am not going out of my way to attract any additional attention to Adina. I am not pretending that she is nameless either.

>You have quite an ego thinking you know her.

I don’t know how you can claim to know the extent of my relationship with either Adina or Rabbi Tendler.

She has been in my home many times. She has eaten at my table many times. Rest assured, I know Adina. She is not my best friend, but she is surely no stranger.

Also, I did not claim that Adina’s lawyers are irreputable. My only point is that every law firm takes messy cases when there is money to be made.

I have no idea what letter to the Jewish Press you are referring to. I have never written a letter to the Jewish Press regarding Rabbi Tendler. Perhaps, after Rabbi Tendler is found guilty, I will write them a letter demanding an apology for their actions to support him even in the face of extensive evidence that he is guilty.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 6:10 pm
>For example, she gave explicit approval to her lawyers to send
>copies of her lawsuit to the NY Post.

False. The NY Post found out about the lawsuit by going through public records.

As to your referring to a victim of sexual abuse publicly by name without her specific permission, perhaps you could refer to me your halachic basis for doing so? I’m not familiar with anything in shmirat halashon that allows you to do so.
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 7:36 pm
Mr. Whistleblower conveniently ignored the most important part of my post:

>Adina’s lawyers were even interviewed by David Hafetz for the story, which is unethical without the consent of the client (namely, Adina).

Therefore, either:
1) Adina gave consent (in which case she obviously does not object to her name being used)
or
2) Adina did not give consent (in which case her lawyers are unethical and should be removed from the Bar Association)

Which is it?

PS. If you know anything about Jewish law, you would know that the burden of proof is on you to establish that I am in violation of any halacha (lashon hora or otherwise). Please cite specific sources.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 7:55 pm
1) and 2) are irrelevant. YOU never had the victim’s consent to use her name. If you want to use her name call her and ask her permission. Permission to any specific party to use her name for a limited purpose beneficial and important purpose to stop a rasha is NOT permission to others to use her name unnecessarily.

As to your violation of shmirat halashon see: ...
1) There is no beneficial basis for you using the victim’s name here.
2) It may not be a secret ,however, I believe you cannot tell it to any person that does not yet know. Therefore again, if people know, they don’t need to hear the name again, if they don’t know, how it is your business to tell them the victim’s name?
3) The victim regrets what happened, therefore you cannot embarass her by referring to her by name.
4) The victim is trying to follow the laws of the Torah, unlike Tendler who deliberately does not keep specific commandments on a steady basis and is thus an enemy of our God.
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 7:58 pm
>The NY Post found out about the lawsuit by going through public records.

Sorry, buddy. That is simply impossible.

Public records from civil cases in the Supreme Court of New York County are available only in the records room of the courthouse at 60 Centre Street in Manhattan on weekdays between 9am and 3pm. When a suit is filed, it takes at least a week for a lawsuit to be processed by all the necessary offices and ultimately be filed in the records room (at which time they can be viewed by the public). You can confirm this by calling the records room of the County Clerk (which is exactly who gave me this information).

Adina’s lawyers filed the lawsuit on Wednesday, December 20th. The article was published on Sunday, December 25th. Therefore, there were only 3 business days (when the courthouse is open) between the filing of the lawsuit and the publication of the article. The paperwork regarding the civil suit was not even in the records room at that point for public viewing. Nor had Rabbi Tendler or KNH been served with the lawsuit at that point. Therefore, the only possible source for the NY Post article is Adina or her lawyers.

(PS. I confirmed with a lawyer that even the law databases did not have Adina’s lawsuit available in time for the article to be based on those sources.)
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:08 pm
Mr. Whistleblower says:
>1) and 2) are irrelevant.
No, you simply refuse to answer the question.
Which is it? #1 or #2???

Are you familiar with apay tlos? (There are 675,000 people who get the NY Post.)

Do you harass Luke Ford for publishing Adina’s name?
Do you harass Vicki Polin for providing direct links to articles that use Adina’s name?
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:13 pm
>>The NY Post found out about the lawsuit by going through
>>public records.
>
>Sorry, buddy. That is simply impossible.

You’re welcome to read previous NY Post articles over the past few years, it’s clear to me that “scoops” are often obtained this way. I suspect that someone in the court office gets a “reward” for directing juicy stories to NY Post reporters.

>(victim)’s lawyers filed the lawsuit on Wednesday,
>December 20th. The article was published on Sunday,
>December 25th. Therefore, there were only 3 business
>days (when the courthouse is open) between the
>filing of the lawsuit and the publication of the article.

I have sources that have indicated that the NY Post got the story from public records. If the victim/her lawyer wanted to give the story to the press:
1) They would have given the story to another publication.
2) The story would have run the day after the action was filed AND served NOT 5 days after it was filed.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:25 pm
>Do you harass Luke Ford for publishing (victim)’s name?
>Do you harass Vicki Polin for providing direct links
>to articles that use (victim)’s name?

Luke knows that I do not believe it is appropriate to use the victim’s name. I know that Vicki has sent him requests to remove several victim’s names from his postings. I believe, for the most part, he has complied with requests to remove victim’s names.

Vicki is the main victim/survivor advocate. She has sent public letters to the press (NY Post, Jewish Week and Forward) criticizing the use of the victim’s name. I believe only the Jewish Week has altered their behavior.

Linking to an article is far different than reproducing/re-printing the victim’s name and creating more on-line links to the victim’s name and story.

If this was your daughter you would have more compassion for the dignity of the victim and would not continuously post her name.
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:33 pm
The bottom line is that it is impossible that the NY Post got a copy of the lawsuit via public records. I have given sufficient proof. The only possible source was Adina or her lawyers.

Besides, if Adina did not want the NY Post to print the article, then why did she consent for her lawyer to be interviewed by David Hafetz?

You still have not answered my question from above:
Which is it? #1 or #2?
Either Adina consented (#1) or her lawyers are unethical and should be disbarred (#2).
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:40 pm
One other minor tidit that you conveniently overlooked: I have never stated Adina’s full name on this blog (although Luke has it all over the place and Vicki links to it many times).

Google has over 2.5 million links to pages containing the name Adina. My posts cannot be construed as lashon hara whatsoever, since I never specified any particular group or individual (aside from a long list of other reasons).
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:43 pm
>The bottom line is that it is impossible that the
>NY Post got a copy of the lawsuit via public
>records. I have given sufficient proof. The only
>possible source was (victim) or her lawyers.

Your premise is wrong see above.

>Besides, if (victim) did not want the NY Post
>to print the article, then why did she consent
>for her lawyer to be interviewed by David Hafetz?

Likely because they were going to print her name from public records anyway.

The rest of your question is irrelevant as your premise and facts are wrong.
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:43 pm
>Linking to an article is far different than reproducing/re-printing the
>victim’s name and creating more on-line links to the victim’s name and
>story.”

Vicki facilitates people’s access to the victim’s full name. There is no reason for her to provide live links on her website to sources that contain victims’ full names.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:49 pm
>One other minor tidit that you conveniently overlooked:
>I have never stated (victims)’s full name on this blog

Why do you need to use her first name at all?

>Google has over 2.5 million links to pages
>containing the name (victim). My posts cannot
>be construed as lashon hara whatsoever, since
>I never specified any particular group or
>individual (aside from a long list of other reasons).

I stand by my analysis as the victim’s first name plus the term KNH result in 114 results (as do other combinations of terms).

Again, if this was your daughter you would have more compassion for the dignity of the victim and would not continuously post her name, EVEN just her first name.
plonialmoni Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 8:54 pm
To Insider

Your posts are well articulated and avoid frequent repetition as do some of the other people that post here. More important they bear great credibility.
Simple question which many people are pondering:
Knowing the key players as well as you do, what is the most likely ending to this whole scenario and how long before it comes about?
Peple in the New Hempstead community are striving for closure.
Thank you in advance .
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 9:17 pm
polnialmoni writes:

>Your posts are well articulated and avoid frequent repetition as do
>some of the other people that post here. More important they bear
>great credibility.

Thank you for your kind words. I try very hard to stay “above the fray” and post relevant facts and observations. I am glad that you find my information “greatly credible”.

>Knowing the key players as well as you do, what is the most likely
>ending to this whole scenario and how long before it comes about?

Your question is an excellent one. However, I don’t have the time to answer at the moment. I’ll try to answer later tonight, or tomorrow morning at the latest.

>Peple in the New Hempstead community are striving for closure.

Sadly, I know exatly what you mean. I am one of them.
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 10:03 pm
Mr. Whistleblower writes:

>I believe, for the most part, he [Luke Ford] has complied with requests
>to remove victim’s names.

Really? Adina’s full name appears 6 times on Luke’s website on two different pages.

>She has sent public letters to the press (NY Post, Jewish Week and
>Forward) criticizing the use of the victim’s name. I believe only the
>Jewish Week has altered their behavior.

Really? The Jewish Week article contains Adina’s full name 6 times, and the article still exists on their website with her full name.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 10:05 pm
Closure will only come when:
1) You padlock KNH and kick Mordecai Tendler and any of his remaining supporters to the streets.
2) Publicly do communal teshuva which includes steps towards the victims of Tendler.

Otherwise, the civil suit and all of this could drag out years and the longer this continues the more the lasting damage to the children of your community who witness this public Chillul.

Even after you kick him out, he could still start a new breakaway minyan in Monsey. He’s just that crazy.
a real insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 10:07 pm
The plaintiff in the lawsuit against RMT and KNH is Adina Mermelstein. She claims to live on Central Park West in New York City. In fact, she lives in New Hempstead on New Hempstead Road with her boyfriend L.B. There, now we all know. I don’t care one whit about her alleged right to privacy. She wants to file a lawsuit, let her stand up to public scrutiny.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 10:13 pm
>>I believe, for the most part, he [Luke Ford] has complied
>>with requests to remove victim’s names.
>
>Really? (victim)’s full name appears 6 times on Luke’s website on two different pages.

As I said, most requests. He has not in this case and I disagree with him in this case.

>>She has sent public letters to the press (NY Post,
>>Jewish Week and Forward) criticizing the use of
>>the victim’s name. I believe only the
>>Jewish Week has altered their behavior.
>
>Really? The Jewish Week article contains (victim)’s
>full name 6 times, and the article still exists on
>their website with her full name.

The last article did not use her name and contained a reader’s letter in the same issue criticizing the Jewish Week and indicating why it was not appropriate to use her name, hence my use of the word “altered”.

Why can’t you alter your behavior and refer to the victim as such? Why do you need to use her name, does it help your discussion in any way?
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 11:02 pm
I think everyone should be calling and writing to Luke Ford, asking him to remove the names of survivors from his web site. Unless he has the express permission from those who have been sexually victimized the names should be taken off.

I know he considers himself to be an “ethical writer” and wants to be “Our moral leader.” If he was true to himself he would follow the guidelines provided by the US Department of Justice. Just because one paper publishes a name, doesn’t mean everyone else should. Considering he is a Jew, he should try to hold himself up to a higher standard.
Victims Unite Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 11:13 pm
insider Says: is David Resnick- board member of KNH who signed a letter of support for Rabbi Tendler to the Jewish Press. David Resnick has known for over 3 years about Rabbi Tendlers abuse and stood by him. Mr. insider you call yourself here see News Media ethics provided by the US Dept. of Justice which Vicki Polin post on her site where it talks about publishing names of survivors, by searching on the word “civil”, and you will find this line:

Never publish the identity of a sexual assault victim without his or her prior consent, regardless of whether the case is in the criminal or civil courts.
Here is the correct url:

...
January 22nd, 2006 at 5:48 pm
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 11:23 pm
>Why can’t you alter your behavior and refer to the victim as such?

In a sense, it is a matter of principle.

She clearly does not mind the notoriety, otherwise she would not have consented to have her lawfirm send the case to the press and even grant interviews with her lawyers. She wants her name used, therefore I do not hesitate to use it.

However, I think that she made a poor decision to “go public”. I think that she should have tried to keep her name out of the press (even though it was probably inevitable that it would get to the press eventually). Therefore, I choose not to use her full name - because I respect her privacy even more than she respects her own, and because her first name is sufficient to identify her among the list of other victims.

I think that my approach (using her first name) is more defensible than Vicki’s approach of providing live links to articles with Adina’s full name. Regarding revealing Adina’s full name, the only difference between Luke Ford’s website and Vicki’s website is a single mouse click. Why is Luke the villian and Vicki the hero? Think about it.
insider Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 11:34 pm
To Victim’s Unite:

I am not David Resnick. You can feel free to think I am, if it makes you happy.

Time and again I have proven that the facts, insights and opinions that I post here are credible. Therefore, it should not matter if I am David Resnick, Gary Rosenblatt or even Mordechai Tendler himself.

If you think that my identity is an issue for you, then feel free to ignore my posts. I certainly won’t take it personally.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 22nd, 2006 at 11:46 pm
>>Why can’t you alter your behavior and refer
>>to the victim as such?
>
>In a sense, it is a matter of principle.
>
>She clearly does not mind the notoriety, otherwise
>she would not have consented to have her lawfirm
>send the case to the press and even grant interviews
>with her lawyers. She wants her name used, therefore
>I do not hesitate to use it.

1) Your premise and facts are wrong.
2) You sure didn’t demonstrate any principles till a very short time ago.
3) Keep up your “sensitivity” to the victim. When (or if) you get rid of Tendler, finally, it’s that type of sensitivity that will ensure that as a “matter of principle” she makes an example of KNH for what it did to her. She will end up owning whtever is left of KNH. I for one hope she sells it to a Wal-Mart.

>However, I think that she made a poor
>decision to “go public�?. I think that she
>should have tried to keep her name out
>of the press (even though it was probably
>inevitable that it would get to the press
>eventually). Therefore, I choose not to use
>her full name - because I respect her privacy
>even more than she respects her own, and
>because her first name is sufficient to identify
>her among the list of other victims.

Garbage, all you have to do is identify her as the victim who is suing Tendler in court. There’s no reason to use any part of her name.

>I think that my approach (using her first name)
>is more defensible than Vicki’s approach of
>providing live links to articles with (Victims)’s full
>name. Regarding revealing (victim)’s full name,
>the only difference between Luke Ford’s website
>and Vicki’s website is a single mouse click. Why
>is Luke the villian and Vicki the hero? Think about
>it.

Tendler’s the villain, Vicki and Luke are heroes (even when I doubt see eye to eye with Luke on some things, which is true with Gary Rosenblatt and many others as well) and “Insider” you’re just a former follower who followed blindly for too long and who clearly has zero sensitivity to the women who is doing the work you should have done long ago, exposing rasha Tendler. But don’t worry, you ensure that all your attempts to save KNH will be for nothing and I for one will be happy to see you lose your KNH “edifice”.
Victims Unite Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:18 am
Insiders’ ego and reasoning that victim “approved�? name being used in media is wrong. He insists on his limited explanation in self righteousness and can’t fandom that the media gets stories and makes statements from other then the source. But he continues to excuse his excessive and noticeable use of her name to bring credibility to his false name “insider�?. Credibility he proclaims he has but yet continues to demonstrate acting entitled, familiar and victimizing by defying request to stop using her name. Insider says “I am not going out of my way to attract any additional attention to (her name). You are in dilution as Tendler. Of course Insider supports victimization he brought his daughters to Tendlers’ shul for years knowing he is an abuser. And as high and mighty as Tendler thinks he’s exempt to get away with abuse “Insider�? believes having her over for Shabbat 2 times only feels entitled to state that he knows her and exempt to invade this victim here by name calling and smearing. You do show you were a good Talmid of Tendler both like victimizing. And a true KNH member as they campaign against victims they also send packets to members who left because of Tendlers sexual abuse saying they’ll get cancer.
Victims Unite Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:16 am
Insider Says:
> I think that she made a poor
>decision to “go public�?.
KNH made an inexcusable decision to keep him,
and allow him to be in a position of abuse since inception.
KNH maligned victims and the first to be public about it.
>She should have tried to keep her name out
>of the press (even though it was probably
>inevitable that it would get to the press
>eventually).
Attempts were made, even by her ethical and reputable law firm.
Far from the lack of indignation made by KNH of Tendlers’ victims.
>I respect her privacy
You are in dilution!
>even more than she respects her own,
You are kidding?
You are victimizing her privacy as the rest of KNH maligned her.
She has more sense and desire of privacy and respect of other peoples’
privacy to the true sense thank god of being Jewish.
rabbi tendler is far from from righteous Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:23 am
RE: January 21st, 2006 at 7:13 pm
insider Says: IMPORTANT INFO

This “highly-respected female member of KNH (who)came forward to the board with evidence against Rabbi Tendler,�? that insider initiated here on this blog, is SS who is Tendlers’ closet lover and whom Tendler convinced his KNH members that she is-respected highly because she is married (very convincing), a apart of the clan, and has a very emotional attachment to her. They don’t want anyone to discover them. As for the other victims he convinced you (KNH members) saying that they are crazy knowing you wouldn’t respect them and mostly said this to hide his craziness of being a sexual predator. He is not only having sex and with his seforim in his office he is doing it while members are there. And you continue to believe in him because you are convinced his victims are the ones who are crazy which frankly is even more foolish. But Tendlers’ victims aren’t crazy, not one bit. This so called “highly-respected�? women you(KNH members) label is in fact accurately the women who is always seen with him “at unusual hour�?. As before sunrise during Selichos services began-her and the Rabbi alone in his office (which was after the RCA expelled him); as in before sunrise Yom Kippur; as in she was there for an hour each having sex with Tendler the day of his daughters wedding and the following day. She was there Nov. 7th, Dec. 2005, and many documented dates where she meets with him like the others when members leave the shul. Yes she is really “highly-respected�? and modest too, that is why she doesn’t meet with him at his home when Michelle is there but in his office after hours alone; that is why she meets with him privately at her home, in Israel, and many other places with out her husband. And NO she doesn’t meet with him alone because she’s talking to him about the accusations made against him as she claims to KNH members to explain why she is with him; and NO she’s not at Tendlers’ office alone because she’s talking to him about her problems with her son or her children’s education; Yes, she is talking to him alone about other women being behind his closed doors because she’s in denial that she is the only one. And her testimony to KNH members repeated here isn’t accurate. As on that day there was another car in the driveway SHE CAME THERE ALONE as always after members left TO HAVE SEX WITH HIM but found his office door locked and knew that must mean some other women is there as she is familiar that he locks the doors when he is there with women having sex She never saw the women and also left together with Tendler on that day and then met him at Bubbas afterwards. In fact all her testimonies now are to hide behind them to take the focus from her that she has had the longest sexual relationship with him. That many people have seen her with him for many years. She is married with children.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 am
Have there been allegations made about Rabbi Moshe Tendler too? ...
Victims Unite Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:49 am
The judge will not rule on this for another 60 days after
Rabbi Mordecai Tendlers’ response is received. The return
Date are when the papers are handed up to the
Clerk in Room 130 for delivery to the judge to
decide whether she wants to hold a hearing.
Date posted above has no reference of accuracy.
no longer at knh! Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 6:54 am
allegations made about Rabbi Moshe Tendler- I assume you mean besides harrassing real talmedei chachamim who dared to criticize his positions in halachah, and asside from covering up for his sons’ offences, and attacking and harrassing and destroying lives and reputations of any good and honest person who stood up to the evil of his sons, and getting up at the sunday lovefest at knh and shouting that we should condone sexual abuse by rabbis unless donme before 2 male witnesses, and besides repeatedly misusing torah for his own selfish agenda, and besides intimidating other rabbis who wanted to do the right thing…. Like with his sons- what is known is horrific enough, why do we need to get caught up in what evidence does or does not exist for further wrongdoing. The Jewish community needs to reject all of these so called rabbis (tendler sr, jr and jr) regardless of who they did or did not sleep with! The corruption, harrassment, lies, breaches of halachah that are public knowledge are enough for us to all just shun them and move on. If tendler wants to remain rabbi of knh, and if he can’t be fired at least no one should pay a dime to the shul or any ofd its funds, they should boo and ask embarrrassing questiions when he tries to speak, they should take away his parking spot (or how about writing reserved for liar and sexual predator on it), put adds in the paers saying NH DOES NOT stand by him… This should not be hard if all of the good people- and there are many in NH stand together and say enouugh is more than enough!
rabbi tendler is Far from righteous Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:09 am
RE: January 21st, 2006 at 7:13 pm insider Says: IMPORTANT INFO

This “highly-respected female member of KNH (who)came forward to the board with evidence against Rabbi Tendler,�? that insider initiated here on this blog, is SS who is Tendlers’ closet lover and whom Tendler convinced his KNH members that she is-respected highly because she is married (very convincing), a apart of the clan, and has a very emotional attachment to her. They don’t want anyone to discover them. As for the other victims he convinced you (KNH members) saying that they are crazy knowing you wouldn’t respect them and mostly said this to hide his craziness of being a sexual predator. He is not only having sex and with his seforim in his office he is doing it while members are there. And you continue to believe in him because you are convinced his victims are the ones who are crazy which frankly is even more foolish. But Tendlers’ victims aren’t crazy, not one bit. This so called “highly-respected�? women you(KNH members) label is in fact accurately the women who is always seen with him “at unusual hour�?. As before sunrise during Selichos services began-her and the Rabbi alone in his office (which was after the RCA expelled him); as in before sunrise Yom Kippur; as in she was there for an hour each having sex with Tendler the day of his daughters wedding and the following day. She was there Nov. 7th, Dec. 2005, and many documented dates where she meets with him like the others when members leave the shul.
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:15 am
Victims Unite Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:18 am
You are in dilution as Tendler.

Victims Unite Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:16 am
You are in dilution!

Yes, folks, I admit it. I am “in dilution“. I am so diluted that there is hardly any of the real me left anymore.

Victims Unite, however, it dilusional, perhaps.
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:16 am
Victims Unite, however, is dilusional, perhaps.

Sorry for the type-o.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:41 am
>If tendler wants to remain rabbi of knh, and
>if he can’t be fired at least no one should pay
>a dime to the shul or any ofd its funds, they
>should boo and ask embarrrassing questiions
>when he tries to speak, they should take
>away his parking spot (or how about writing
>reserved for liar and sexual predator on it),
>put adds in the paers saying NH DOES NOT
>stand by him… This should not be hard if
>all of the good people- and there are
>many in NH stand together and say
>enouugh is more than enough!

The people still at KNH are gutless. They’ve only stood up against Tendler’s victims and supporters.

Fortunately, their efforts to save KNH, pretend that KNH and Tendler are 2 different entities and blame others for their woes while taking no personal responsibility will only further prolong this and make certain KNH is doomed.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:44 am
Let’s look at the larger picture here. We have two brothers who have serious allegations made against them. The only other case of siblings I’m aware of in the Jewish community are that of the Nevison’s. We have the case of Howard Nevison ...,
his brother Lawrence Nevison ...
and Howard’s nephew Stewart ...

When that case broke, I kept wondering who molested the older two Nevison brothers? Incest is one family tradition that NEEDS to be stopped.

I do not know if the Tendler brother’s were abused as children by someone in or out of the family, yet it is suspicious. I’ve wondering about for a long time about this though. We have the two twin cousin’s who posed naked for Penthouse. That is something highly unusual for women to do, yet women from observant backgrounds. The majority of individuals involved in the porn industry are survivors of sexual abuse.

We also have the case of Matis Weinberg ... , who’s family has been tied to the Tendler’s for years. I believe they are related by marriage.

I also want to put the case of Ephraim Bryks in there. ...

We are also now hearing about the allegations about Moshe Tendler. If the allegations of professional sexual misconduct are true about Moshe Tendler, who made the allegations go away? I know these allegations are old, yet they have been floating around out there.

One has to wonder if all of these rabbis were molested as children, and who started this horrendous family tradition?
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:08 pm
Observations:

1) The protections and resources the Jewish community has to offer help to victims of sexual abuse and remove abusers has been demonstrated over the past years by Aron and Mordecai Tendler to be virtually non-existent.

2) Decades ago these protections and resources were completely non-existent. Many suffered in silence. The vast majority of victims harmed themselves, not others. Unfortunately, there are a very small minority of victims who without help and resources will go on to repeat the patterns of behavior that they are exposed to. As we see in the Nevison and Tendler families, often there will be multiple offenders in the same family.

3) Until we have specifics from the Tendlers, Israel Kestenbaum or Ephraim Bryks we can only speculate what turned them into sexual predators. We now have reports from victims of Aron Tendler that he has admitted that he was a victim of sexual abuse.

4) We do know that Matis Weinberg ran a rape gang at Ner Israel Baltimore that preyed on younger students. We know that this is why DEC did not pursue its lawsuit against YU and instead chose to settle on terms that were very favorable to YU. Weinberg could not afford to take the stand and be subjected to examination.

5) We do know that Aron Tendler, Israel Kestenbaum, and Ephram Bryks were all students at Ner Israel Baltimore during similar time frames.

6) We also know from the last several years of experience at the RCA that trying to deal with abusers quietly in order to protect their families’ kavod and the kavod of these rashas is a completely ineffective means of dealing with sexual predators. The rabbonim of Monsey have learned the same lesson as the advice to them that Mordecai would leave quietly proved wrong.

7) The sexual predators now know that no matter who their family is and what influence they wield they will be held accountable and their crimes will become public. We who believe in Hashem already knew that.

8) My message to the sexual predators who have or currently operate in the Jewish community. Start running. We are coming for you and you will be exposed publicly. Your days are numbered in my community.

9) My message to those who wish to enable these predators or silence their victims. We will run a bulldozer through you. Your endevors will fail and all the crimes you have tried to conceal will be exposed to the light of day as will your efforts.

10) The sexual predators of our community have relied on our silence for far too long. I will no longer give them my silence, nor should you.

I would note in this context Rabbi Dratch’s recent article “Let Them Talk: The Mitzvah to Speak Lashon Hara”.
see: ...
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:38 pm
plonialmoni writes:
>Knowing the key players as well as you do, what is the most likely
>ending to this whole scenario and how long before it comes about?

Rabbi Tendler cannot be found innocent. The evidence is too overwhelming. (I know about evidence that has never been made public, but I have been asked not to reveal the details since that evidence might be used against Rabbi Tendler at some point.)

Therefore, either Rabbi Tendler will be found guilty, or he will find a way to stall or get the cases thrown-out based on a technicality.

If he is found guilty, then I believe that he will resign “for the sake of the kehilla”, although he will continue to profess his innocence (and some gullible people believe him and help him make a minyan at his home). This scenario would probably take 3-6 months, based on my understanding of the court process and the current state of the Beit Din process.

If he stalls or gets the cases thrown-out on technicalities, then KNH would try to oust him. He has made it clear that he will sue in secular court and Beit Din to prevent being fired. This could drag on for years, and Rabbi Tendler would probably win this war of attrition, since all his opponents would simply leave KNH. If the rest of the anti-Tendler people quit KNH, there will not be enough dissenters left to vote to oust him.

The fastest solution is for the “midwives” and victims go public with all the irrefutable evidence (the allegations and letters from Rabbis are too easy for Rabbi Tendler to dispute). This includes distributing audio tapes and DNA evidence reports. Rabbi Tendler will resign under public pressure and leave New Hempstead. This scenario could be done in a matter of days, if the accusers are willing to act.

The bottom line is that Rabbi Tendler must be convinced to resign, either for the sake of the kehilla, due to being found guilty in court/Beit Din, or by being shamed publicly with irrefutable evidence. Attempting to oust him will not work, due to his lifetime contract. Fighting him in court will further destroy the kehilla, leaving only Rabbi Tendler and his few supporters in the shul. This scenario is terrible, because it leaves Rabbi Tendler in a position where he could victimize more women in the future.

I think that there are a few steps that can be taken to help the cause, even if those steps will not necessarily convince Rabbi Tendler to resign:
1) Reduce Rabbi Tendler’s salary from $100k to $10k. I doubt that his lifetime contract guarantees him a particular salary. Use the saved money for a legal fund to fight him in court.
2) All the anti-Tendler people (including those who left KNH already) should sign a document asking Rabbi Tendler to resign for the sake of the kehilla. This document should be widely distributed in Monsey, perhaps using full-page ads in the local Jewish papers and the Jewish Press. Unfortunately, many of the families who already left do not want to get involved in this issue anymore, since they have already “moved on” from the KNH nightmare. There are a lot of people who oppose Rabbi Tendler, but I don’t know how many of those are willing to sign a public document, for the fear of being targeted by Team Tendler’s “smear machine”.

The bottom line is that we have to hope that the court case or Beit Din rules against Rabbi Tendler, or the accusers are willing to come forward and publicize irrefutable evidence. Either of these two scenarios should convince Rabbi Tendler to resign.
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 pm
BREAKING NEWS

Rabbi Tendler’s legal team is pressuring the Beit Din to impose a gag order on everyone involved in the case. If this is occurs, then it seems that the Beit Din would only be able to publicize the outcome of the case, but not the reasons for the outcome. Similarly, the evidence presented in the case would be covered in the gag order and no one involved in the case could make that information public.

I’m sure that Tendler’s lawyers will attempt to do something similar in the secular court case, if such a thing is even possible.
KNHMemeber2 Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 pm
To Insider 12:44
Excuse me …….. Which Beit Din are you talking about?
The Rabbanut?
The Rabbanut are such big blabber mouths that nothing will ever be kept secret!?
NewHemsteadnews.blogspot.com Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:03 pm
We the NHN will not abide by any gag order until Tendler is out of KNH and moves away from New Hempstead …
Until these two conditions are met … we will report as we see it!

Tendler has yet to abide by our Holy Torah! He wants us to abide by a couple of Kollel Guys in the Rabbanut!
No Dice!
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:11 pm
>1) Reduce Rabbi Tendler’s salary from $100k
>to $10k. I doubt that his lifetime contract
>guarantees him a particular salary. Use the
>saved money for a legal fund to fight him in court.

Several points:
1) Why not reduce it to $0.01?
2) Such action would clearly constitute constructive dismissal (you’ve effectively fired him).
3) Why are you afraid to fire him? Let him sue. What were the circumstances in which the contract was drafted in the first place? If lawyers were involved, you may be able to sue them as well.

>Rabbi Tendler’s legal team is pressuring the Beit Din
>to impose a gag order on everyone involved in the
>case.

Several points:
1) No bais din has jurisdiction to determine or even hear any allegations already determined by dayanim in Monsey to whom Tendler attorned, publicly, to the jurisdiction of their courts.

2) The rulings of Rav Wosner and dayanim in Monsey make it clear that parties involved can make public statements and publicly rebuke Tendler. No Bais Din can impose ANY gag order that contradicts those rulings.

3) Current rulings indicate that Tendler is not even a valid eid. Any bais din treating him as other than that and imposing any gag order that violates previous rulings is NULL AND VOID and any Jew with Yirat Hashem is free to violate such rulings.

>I’m sure that Tendler’s lawyers will attempt to
>do something similar in the secular court case,
>if such a thing is even possible.

They can try many things, but at the end of the day civil courts have public proceedings and decisions, transcripts and testimony will be public.
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:35 pm
>1) Why not reduce it to $0.01?
Constructive dismissal. Even part-time rabbis get more than $0.01.

>2) Such action would clearly constitute constructive dismissal (you’ve
>effectively fired him).

No, I’m suggesting that he be paid based on the size of the congregation and congregation’s ability to pay. $10k is appropriate.

>3) Why are you afraid to fire him? Let him sue. What were the
>circumstances in which the contract was drafted in the first place?
>If lawyers were involved, you may be able to sue them as well.

As I have said many times, if KNH fires Rabbi Tendler, then Rabbi Tendler STAYS at KNH for the forseeable future (and perhaps forever). If KNH does not fire him, then there is still a chance to get rid of him in the near term.

I don’t understand why Mr. Whistleblower wants KNH to take action that will effectively guarantee Rabbi Tendler’s position of power to victimize more women.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:35 pm
>If he is found guilty, then I believe that he will
>resign “for the sake of the kehilla�?

Dream on. Everything he does is for his own sake, he cares nothing about you or some “kehilla”. He has no perspective and is out of touch with reality and has been fr a long, long time.

>although he will continue to profess his innocence
>(and some gullible people believe him and help him
>make a minyan at his home). This scenario would
>probably take 3-6 months, based on my understanding
>of the court process and the current state of the Beit Din
>process.

And in the end he may simply lie as to the outcome of the bais din and his followers will believe whatever lies he tells.

>If he stalls or gets the cases thrown-out on
>technicalities, then KNH would try to oust him.

Hello? What do you think he is doing now? Oust him.

>He has made it clear that he will sue in secular court
>and Beit Din to prevent being fired. This could drag
>on for years, and Rabbi Tendler would probably win
>this war of attrition, since all his opponents would
>simply leave KNH.

1) He thretened to sue the RCA and YU in civil court and has not done so.
2) Who’s left at KNH anyway?

>If the rest of the anti-Tendler people quit KNH, there
>will not be enough dissenters left to vote to oust him.

You control the Board now, who needs congregants? Fire him now. People do not attend KNH, leave now.

>The fastest solution is for the “midwives�? and victims
>go public with all the irrefutable evidence (the
>allegations and letters from Rabbis are too easy
>for Rabbi Tendler to dispute). This includes distributing
>audio tapes and DNA evidence reports. Rabbi Tendler
>will resign under public pressure and leave New
>Hempstead. This scenario could be done in a matter
>of days, if the accusers are willing to act.

This will be done in civil court under the protection of the courts. Given your despicable treatment of the victims (even now), they will do zero to help save your KNH “edifice”. This will not take days, it will take a year or two. I am recommending to everyone do not trust anyone who wants to take action with the intent to save KNH. Do not trust that they will protect you. Trust the civil courts.

They already went to your dayanim and have obtained rulings that you continue to ignore.

>The bottom line is that Rabbi Tendler must be
>convinced to resign, either for the sake of the
>kehilla, due to being found guilty in court/Beit Din,
>or by being shamed publicly with irrefutable evidence.

The bottom line is that Mordecai will not resign, he will continue to lie and he will still have a few supporters who believe his lies.

>Attempting to oust him will not work, due to his
>lifetime contract. Fighting him in court will further
>destroy the kehilla, leaving only Rabbi Tendler
>and his few supporters in the shul. This scenario
>is terrible, because it leaves Rabbi Tendler in a
>position where he could victimize more women
>in the future.

I believe this is the only scenario that will work, Whether he runs a minyan out of KNH or his home, he is still “in a position where he could victimize more women in the future.” Right now he can use the KNH premises. Remove the doors from his office, change the locks, turn off the utilities. padlock the shul today if you care about women. I suspect you care more about protecting your KNH “edifice”.

>2) All the anti-Tendler people (including those
>who left KNH already) should sign a document
>asking Rabbi Tendler to resign for the sake of
>the kehilla. This document should be widely
>distributed in Monsey, perhaps using full-page
>ads in the local Jewish papers and the Jewish
>Press. Unfortunately, many of the families who
>already left do not want to get involved in this
>issue anymore, since they have already “moved
>on�? from the KNH nightmare. There are a lot of
>people who oppose Rabbi Tendler, but I don’t
>know how many of those are willing to sign a
>public document, for the fear of being targeted
>by Team Tendler’s “smear machine�?.

That’s right the KNH “kehila” only publicly signs letters and speaks out against decent people who they know will act decently. They are cowards when it comes to doing the same actions, they’ve taken in public in the past, against actual rashas who will not act with any decency.

>The bottom line is that we have to hope that the
>court case or Beit Din rules against Rabbi Tendler,

Your dayanim have ALREADY ruled against Tendler AND he ATTORNED to their jurisdiction.

>or the accusers are willing to come forward and
>publicize irrefutable evidence.

To stop Tendler, they will, (they already went to your local dayanim) but in civil court where there are rules and officers that will protect him.

>Either of these two scenarios should convince
>Rabbi Tendler to resign.

He will never resign, you are in denial of reality.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:42 pm
>1) Why not reduce it to $0.01?
>>Constructive dismissal. Even part-time rabbis get
>>more than $0.01.

Any reduction of his salary is constructive dismissal and grounds for a civil action. But so what?

>>2) Such action would clearly constitute constructive
>> dismissal (you’ve effectively fired him).
>
>No, I’m suggesting that he be paid based on
>the size of the congregation and congregation’s
>ability to pay. $10k is appropriate.

1) It is still constructive dismissal.
2) The congregation has no ability currently to pay anything.

>>3) Why are you afraid to fire him? Let him
>>sue. What were the circumstances in which
>>the contract was drafted in the first place?
>>If lawyers were involved, you may be able
>>to sue them as well.
>
>As I have said many times, if KNH fires Rabbi
>Tendler, then Rabbi Tendler STAYS at KNH for
>the forseeable future (and perhaps forever).

No, if you fire him he is gone. So what if he sues you? Let him.

>If KNH does not fire him, then there is still a chance
>to get rid of him in the near term.

This is chelm logic: If we fire him, he stays. If we don’t fire him he may resign.

He will never resign.

>I don’t understand why Mr. Whistleblower wants
>KNH to take action that will effectively guarantee
>Rabbi Tendler’s position of power to victimize
>more women.

Nonsense. Padlock the building, change the locke, remove the door from his office and turn off the utilities.
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 1:57 pm
Mr. Whistleblower has consistently displayed that he is totally out of touch with reality. It is useless to attempt to convince him of anything using any form of logic. His answer to every problem is to padlock the building (which would be quickly reversed with a court order). He fails to understand that in the “real world” problems are not always black-and-white as they are in his beloved blog-o-sphere. In the real world, the most effective method to obtain a desired solution is not necessarily the shortest or easiest path.

I will reiterate what I have said many times before (originally posted on January 3rd):

Unfortunately, the participation of Vicki Polin, Luke Ford and Mr. Whistleblower in this matter HELPED Rabbi Tendler tremendously.

Although the allegations were serious, the “messengers�? of the allegations were not able to be taken seriously:
Vicki Polin (Oprah Winfrey, need I say more)
Luke Ford (porno industry)
Whistleblower (sensationalist anonymous blogger)

It was too easy for Rabbi Tendler to point to the circus-like atmosphere created by those three and easily destroy the credibility of the accusations based on crazy messengers. [As noted above, no one gave concrete evidence to KNH either, which surely would have made a big difference.]

Rabbi Tendler would have been exposed much faster if Vicki/Luke/Blower had stayed away from this issue, and let Leah and Chanie (the midwives) publicize this issue in a more sane fashion from within the Monsey community. This approach would have made it MUCH harder for Rabbi Tendler to dismiss the allegations. [Granted, some people feel that Leah/Chanie are not quite “mainstream�?, but they are surely more stable than Vicki/Luke/Blower in anyone’s estimation.]
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:07 pm
PS.

>He will never resign.

You have no idea how close he was to leaving on January 6th. He had already consented to the board that he was going to leave. It was almost a “done deal”, but his lawyers told him not to because it would undermine his case in secular court.

Fortunately, the blog readers are perfectly able to see who has consistently provided credible information, and who has not.
KNHmember Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:08 pm
You can’t padlock the shul, there is a yeshiva using it. Its obvious you’ve never been inside the building, but you feel that you are in a position to tell us what to do.

If you guys are so sure of your positions, why not picket his home? Are you afraid to show your faces? Still like living behind the mask of the blog? Yes, I am being anonymous, but I’m not the one slinging sht. Mr JWB, if you are so worried about the victims, why not take up the picket sign warning women?
Fact checker Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:28 pm
A lawyer friend told me he thinks the lawsuit against RMT is likely to get dismissed. He thinks the plaintif’s case is very weak. Even if the alegations are all true there is nothing about them that is grounds for a lawsuit. This is something that should be kept in mind especially by anti-Tendler people. Dont build too much on the lawsuit. If it is dismissed RMT and his people will say that he is vindicated. This would not necesarily be true. It might only mean that seducing a woman isnt grounds for a lawsuit. But even if no lawsuit, the Jewish community couldnt accept a rabbi doing such a thing.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 2:55 pm
>Mr. Whistleblower has consistently displayed that
>he is totally out of touch with reality.

I’m not the one who thinks Tendler will ultimately resign.

>It is useless to attempt to convince him of anything
>using any form of logic. His answer to every
>problem is to padlock the building (which would be
>quickly reversed with a court order).

No court is going to force you to keep an employee, they may assess damages but so what? How much money are you currently losing on lost memberships and lawyers fees?

>He fails to understand that in the “real world�? problems
>are not always black-and-white as they are in his
>beloved blog-o-sphere. In the real world, the most
>effective method to obtain a desired solution is not
>necessarily the shortest or easiest path.

Why can’t you remove the door from Tendler’s office from it’s hinges and turn off the electricity to all but the part of the building used by the Yeshiva. Who controls the KNH, the board or Tendler?

>Unfortunately, the participation of Vicki Polin, Luke
>Ford and Mr. Whistleblower in this matter HELPED
>Rabbi Tendler tremendously.

Nonsense. Your silence and belief in Tendler’s lies helped him. Your failure to confirm those lies with your dayanim helped Tendler. The efforts of the RCA to quietly deal with Tendler and protect his family’s reputation helped Tendler.

Since Vicki, Luke and myself posted materials, there have been no new victims only further abuse of existing victims. That rests on the heads on KNH members and rabbonim that were silent.

You chose to ignore the same message from the RCA last year as well. YU got rid of Tendler, you retained him.

Luke started posting statements from Aron Tendler’s victims and within a short time he resigned.

The Committe for Rabbinic Integrity did a mass mailing and started a blog and most KNH members left.

>You have no idea how close he was to
>leaving on January 6th. He had already
>consented to the board that he was going
>to leave. It was almost a “done deal�?, but
>his lawyers told him not to because it would
>undermine his case in secular court.

He will never leave voluntarily. You’re being played.

>You can’t padlock the shul, there is a yeshiva
>using it. Its obvious you’ve never been inside
>the building, but you feel that you are in a
>position to tell us what to do.

See above. Further, the community should arrange for alternative premises until the new building is ready. No bocur should be anywhere near that place of idolotry.

>If you guys are so sure of your positions, why
>not picket his home? Are you afraid to show
>your faces? Still like living behind the mask
>of the blog? Yes, I am being anonymous, but
>I’m not the one slinging sht. Mr JWB, if you are
>so worried about the victims, why not take up
>the picket sign warning women?

Be’er Mayyim Hayyim, Hil. Lashon Hara, kelal 4:32.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:09 pm
>it is dismissed RMT and his people will say that he
>is vindicated.

How can someone already found guilty by the dayanim in Monsey, whose court’s Tendler attorned to publicly, be vindicated?

Regardless of what happens with the civil case or any further bais din, Tendler has been found guilty.

Stop blaming others KNH members and waiting for them to do your dirty work, fire Tendler today. Your rabbonim in Monsey have spoken, why are you pursuing support from rabbonim in Israel? Because, as usual, you are trying to avoid doing anything. That’s how we got here.

Let Tendler take you to court or try to bring an injuction to stay on as Rabbi (good luck, ever heard of seperation of Church and State?), but unlike Tendler we don’t need to get such proceedings dismissed on technicalities, the victims will come to civil court and present evidence and testimony. It will be simple to show he is a danger to congregants. He will never get such an injuction. Call his bluff. Fire him.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 pm
>A lawyer friend told me he thinks the lawsuit
>against RMT is likely to get dismissed.

While anything is possible, it is likely there is enough for a trial. In the NY Court of Appeal decision above, a similar case was dismissed on such a motion and later the Court of Appeal reinstated the case on an appeal of the motion.

This may delay matters. But, I believe the case against KNH is strong and in addition that there is enough to take the case against Tendler to court. Judge Solomon is known as an activist judge and this is an area of law that other states are certainly moving in a direction favorable to the victim. Attorney Lenore Kramer is a solid lawyer and this is her area. I would not put my money against her.
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:23 pm
>A lawyer friend told me he thinks the lawsuit against RMT is likely to get
>dismissed. He thinks the plaintif’s case is very weak. Even if the
>alegations are all true there is nothing about them that is grounds for a
>lawsuit.

This is correct. Even the anti-Tendler lawyers in KNH agree. Adina’s lawyers attempted to write the lawsuit in a way that is intended to look like the suit is more than simple clergy misconduct. However, the judge will probably see through it. Two consenting adults, even when one is clergy, is not grounds for a lawsuit in New York.

If, however, Tendler took any of his victims on a “hot date” to nearby New Jersey or Connecticut, then perhaps there is room to move to another state if NJ or CT have laws protecting victims of clergy misconduct. One of the victims interviewed for the Praesidium report claims that she had “hot dates” with Tendler in Boston. Perhaps she could file suit against him in Boston, if MA has laws protecting victims of clergy misconduct.

>Dont build too much on the lawsuit.

Among the anti-Tendler camp in KNH, no one has high hopes that the lawsuit will find Tendler guilty. The lawsuit against KNH will also disappear if the suit against Tendler is thrown out. It is for this reason that the KNH folks (especially the people who have their names on the mortgage) are no longer afraid that there will be a judgement against KNH.

>If it is dismissed RMT and his people will say that he is vindicated.

Even the RMT devotees know that dismissed is not the same as vindicated. In fact, his two primary supporters are lawyers. Everyone will know that Rabbi Tendler escaped on a technicality. I don’t think that anyone will claim that the evidence found him innocent, when no evidence was ever presented.

Since the case most certainly will be dismissed in secular court, it is more important than ever that the accusers go public with the irrefutable evidence against him.

The Beit Din is a more interesting venue, however. The RCA has a lot of credibility at stake here. They have the resources to fight much harder in Beit Din than Adina can in secular court. I have solid sources that the RCA is very eager for their opportunity to present evidence.
Fact checker Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 3:52 pm
I have been looking over the Hebrew Hazmanah And Ksav Teviah that ravtendlerdocuments posted a few days ago. At this point I have several suspicions about it that are admitedly only speculations but they might turn out after further investigation to be bombshells.
Fact checker Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:01 pm
1. Notice how the Hazmanah (summons by the Bes Din) to the RCA is dated the 19th of May and the Ksav Teviah (plaintiff’s brief) is stamped as being received on May 19th. Does the Bes Din operate so efficently that it receives a lengthy legal brief , reviews it thoroughly and then comes to a decision and then issues a summons all on the same day? Or does the rapid speed indicate some kind of colusion between Tendler and the Bes Din?
Fact checker Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pm
2. Why is the Hazmanah signed by someone other than the judge? This is a small objection possibly with a logical explanatin but it seems weird that administrators and not judges should sign such papers. Do we have a case of colusion with beaureaucracts, as is also indicated by the JVO’s report that a secretary was “authorized” to negotiate on behalf of the Bes Din?
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:12 pm
The ravtendlerdocuments website now has a front page that was added on Saturday evening. Nothing exciting, but a minor change anyhow.
Link: ...
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:16 pm
1) Why you can fire Tendler:
Goodman v. Temple Shir Ami, Inc.
712 So. 2d 775 (Fla. Dist. Ct. App. 1998), No. 97-1477. Dated June 3, 1998, rehearing denied July 29, 1998. Opinion by J. Fletcher.
Action by Rabbi against Temple and board member for breach of contract, defamation and interference with advantageous business relationship stemming from discharge as spiritual leader; court had no jurisdiction of claims, except for claim for payment of services rendered prior to termination of relationship with the Temple.

2) Why you should fire Tendler:
Jewish Center of Sussex County v. Whale
397 A.2d 712, 165 NJ Super 84 (1978)
Cong. has right to assume that Rabbi maintains certain moral and ethical standards.
Fact checker Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 4:37 pm
3. Isn’t it very interesting that none of the early claims by RMT that later were exposed as false, like the Monsey rabbis exonerating him, show up in the posted copy of the Ksav Teviah (plaintiff’s brief)? This leads me to wonder if what the Ravtendlerdocuments website posted was a doctored version of the original and perhaps the original included that claim. Notice how only the first page of the brief is stamped by the Bes Din. The rest could have come off of somebody’s computer recently. Notice how on the last Hebrew page the bottom shows that the document came off of RMT’s Rabbinic lawyer’s d drive. His signature is not dated or stamped. Notice how one part of the document is blacked out. Can anyone get a copy of the official brief from the Bes Din or from the RCA? The whole thing looks fishy. Again could be just speculation but given what weve seen so far maybe not so far off.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:01 pm
>Isn’t it very interesting that none of the early
>claims by RMT that later were exposed as false,
>like the Monsey rabbis exonerating him, show
>up in the posted copy of the Ksav Teviah
>(plaintiff’s brief)?

He couldn’t claim that in the Ksav as he knew the claims were false and could not produce letters from the dayanim due to that. Unlike the KNH leadership, if he claimed to have been cleared by bais dins, the Jerusalem bais din would have checked with the dayanim. If he had been cleared by ANY bais din why not go to that bais din against the RCA? Why not use letters from such a bais din to SHOW the RCA was wrong? The answer is simple because he knew they found him guilty. Tendler is a master liar who misled everyone. Just look at what he did with the Jerusalem bais din and how he used the silence of dayanim in Monsey.

As I’ve said before, and I will repeat it again, no bais din has jurisdiction to determine or even hear any allegations already determined by dayanim in Monsey to whom Tendler attorned, publicly, to the jurisdiction of their courts.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 5:35 pm
Fankly, the whole Hazmanna is null and void as the complaint is knowingly false.

Read the complaint.
3) This was determined by dayanim in Monsey.
4) Again, this was determined by dayanim in Monsey.
7) Same determination made by dayanim in Monsey. As such Tendler cannot refer to himself as innocent as he does in this paragraph.
9) This was determined by dayanim in Monsey.
10) The court has no power to rule on the underlying allegations, this was already determined by dayanim in Monsey.

If the Jerusalem Bais Din does not retract all its rulings publicly, it is a joke. No one need pay any attention to these rulings they are null and void based on clear falsehoods.
KNHMEMBER2 Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 8:20 pm
Where is Michelle????
Has anybody seen Michelle lately?
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:11 pm
She was supposed to be in Israel for a week visiting their new grandson. That was either last week or the week before.
KNHMEMBER2 Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 9:35 pm
There are rumors going around NH, that Michelle’s family are pressuring her to leave MT …..
Is there any truth to this???
Anybody out there who knows?
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:10 pm
KNHMEMBER, Michelle desperately needs help from a domestic violence counseling center. I know she may not realized it, but she does classify as a battered woman (emotional and psychological abuse).
insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 10:39 pm
KNHMEMBER2 writes:
>There are rumors going around NH, that Michelle’s family are pressuring
>her to leave MT

Michelle comes from a very close family. Even if Michelle’s family were pressuring her to leave Rabbi Tendler, I am quite certain that this information would not leak out to the rumor mill. I suspect that this rumor was created by someone wanting to make it look like the Tendler family is falling apart.

However, I have been saying from the outset that the best way to get rid of Rabbi Tendler is if Michelle leaves him. Even if he wins in secular court and in the Beit Din, if Michelle leaves him the whole world will know that he is guilty and he will leave KNH with his head bowed in shame. I believe that even among Rabbi Tendler’s supporters, sympathy for Michelle is currently greater the dedication to Rabbi Tendler.

In short, I doubt the rumor is true. However, if it is true, it would be a major step towards getting rid of Rabbi Tendler.
a real insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:26 pm
I’ll preface my remarks by stating that I am one those who still davens at KNH, but believes that RMT can no longer remain as the rabbi of the kehilla. I don’t understand something. Many people here seem to be enjoying this discussion. They seem to relish in the destruction of RMT, and his family. Jewishwhistleblower seems to like the fact that KNH too is jeapordy. Why? Are all of you primordial that you cannot produce any empathic emotion? Assuming RMT has done all the things said about him (i.e. the sexual exploits, the lying, the covering up etc), it means that he is a very sick and disturbed man. If what people say about him is true, it would seem, to me at least, that he did those things as a consequence of his mental illness or psychological condition and not because he is evil incarnate. Should we rejoice or derive any satisfaction from that? Are we, who are supposedly frum Jews, so debase so as to enjoy the bringing down of a sick man? Are we ethically so near to the cheers and jeers of the Colleseum in Rome? R. Orbach in an interview with the Jewish Week said he believed that RMT was delusional when he and other rabbis met with him. If that is that case, why did they not try to both stop him from acting based upon what they believed were his delusions, and why did they not try to get him the help he so desperately needs? (That they did nothing says far more about their moral ambivalence and fitness to act as rabbis and Jewish leaders than their current pronouncements) Why has no one here even once suggested that this whole drama may very well be a deeply personal tragedy for RMT? A tragedy not because he got caught doing things that are best described as predatory and even evil and may now suffer the consequences of those acts (”the sicked always get worse than they deserve”); but because perhaps the sickness from which he might suffer became so all encompasing that he was unable to control a horrible impusle which caused him to do the unthinkable, that it ultimately has destroyed the life of someone who otherwise is a kind, gentle, noble soul and talmid chacham of astounding proportions. Are any of you people capable of even a hint of rachmanut for what might be a pathetically sick Jew who may not recover as result of this episode? Can anyone here begin the appreciate the loss to Klal Yisrael of a person, who when not plagued by the demons that seem to have inhabbited his soul displayed a refinement of character beyond description, one who never forgot those who the rest of us never even noticed? (A prominent rav told me that the reason no one ever went after RMT over his controversial piskei din was because he is a genuinely nice person who exudes chesed.) Or are all of you too busy enjoying the spectacle to even appreciate the devastation? Do any of you even care? Do you know what your sick voyeurism is doing to your souls? Rachmana litzlan
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:39 pm
Mordechai Tendler is a rasha. Those who support him support, support a rasha. Those who employ him employ a rasha.

If you really believe he is mentally ill, commit him to a psychiatric hospital. I suspect you know what I know, that he is not mentally ill, he is simply a rasha.

I have compassion for Tendler’s many victims. I have none for him, none for those who enabled him through their inaction or silence and certainly none for those who continue to enable him with their presence at KNH.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 pm
My halachic basis for what I do.

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Exposing Wrongdoing
In addition, there is a further obligation to expose wrongdoing. “One should expose hypocrites to prevent the desecration of the Name, as it is said: ‘Again, when a righteous man doth turn from righteousness and commit iniquity, I will lay a stumbling-block before him’ (Ez. 3:20).�? This is done so that others will not learn from his acts. It is also done in order to justify the ways of Heaven, i.e., if he is perceived as righteous and is nevertheless punished, people may question the fairness or strength of divine justice. Thus, the hypocrite needs to be exposed so that others will understand that when he is punished, he deserves it. Rabbeinu Yonah writes that it is a mitzvah to publicize the wrongdoings of a person who is perpetually on a bad path and publicly scorn him so that the public will learn to be repulsed by evil deeds. He further rules that in the area of interpersonal matters, “in matters like theft, robbery, torts, pain, humiliation and verbal harassment, even an individual who observes the harm shall tell about it, in order to help the one who was harmed and [in order] to further truth.�? Mahari Weil offers one caveat: if the publicity of the details of a case will harm innocent victims, that part of the investigation should remain private.
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Yoma 86a. See Hil De’ot 6:8.
Midrash Tehilim (Buber), mizmor 52:3.
Sha’arei Teshuvah, sha’ar 3, no. 218. See Nimukei Yosef to Bava Mezi’a, p. 32b; Rema, Hoshen Mishpat 228:1.
Sha’arei Teshuvah, sha’ar 3, no. 218, no. 221.
Teshuvot Mahari Weil, no. 173.
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insider Says:
January 23rd, 2006 at 11:59 pm
To “a real insider”:

Your points are all valid. I have tried to be a voice of reason on this blog, and have never protrayed Rabbi Tendler as some type of maniac, as others choose to (including former members of KNH).

You seem surprised that no one shows sympathy for Rabbi Tendler, a person who is sick and in need of help. Yes, your observation is correct. However, I think that the reason for this is because people believe that the primary target of sympathy is the victims, followed by the Tendler children (and Michelle), leaving few “leftovers” of sympathy for Rabbi Tendler.

The most vicious posters on this blog have never met Rabbi Tendler nor stepped foot in KNH. To them the world is black-and-white and every complex problem has a rediculously simple solution. I truly believe that those individuals have very little value to contribute to this overall discussion, and instead post here intent on fanning the flames of hysteria. However, even among the former members of KNH there are those who have very strong feelings against Rabbi Tendler and show little (if any) sympathy. Based on my discussions with current and former KNH members, I think that this is because many people feel cheated by Rabbi Tendler. A lot of people entrusted their time, money and souls to Rabbi Tendler. Now, in retrospect, some people feel that he cheated them and fooled them. They feel that years of their lives were spent following a sick man who stood in front of the shul and urged everyone to pursue paths of riteousness, while his “private” life included despicable acts of immorality and deceit. It should come as little surprise, therefore, that today, while the wounds are still fresh, people have a difficult time being compassionate or sympathetic towards him.

Thse are just my own observations. I’m sure that “professionals” (psychologists) might paint a different picture of the situation.

PS. Beware. Anyone who posts on this blog with any support or sympathy for Rabbi Tendler of KNH (meaning, YOU) immediately becomes the target of those individuals who come here to fan the flames of hysteria (mentioned above). I presonally suggest that you ignore them and don’t bother to respond to their rants. You will never succeed in changing their minds.
a real insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:03 am
>jewishwhistleblower Says:

>January 23rd, 2006 at 11:39 pm
>Mordechai Tendler is a rasha. Those who support him support, support a >rasha. Those who employ him employ a rasha.

>If you really believe he is mentally ill, commit him to a psychiatric >hospital. I suspect you know what I know, that he is not mentally ill, he >is simply a rasha.

I don’t know anything about RMT’s mental condition. I do however see a clear dichotomy. The RMT I know is a kind and gentle soul who acts based on an idealism of doing ratzon haBoreh, which for him is to do as much chesed as he can and encourage others to do likewise. I fashion myself an excellend judge of character, and don’t believe he is anything but sincere in that pursuit. But yet people say, and there seems to be some proof, that he has visited unspeakable horrors on the most vulnerable amongst us. If it is true that he is a predator, then the only way I can reconcile the contradiction is to determine that he is sick and in need of treatment and our sympathy; not our derision and scorn.
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:06 am
Correction of a type-o:
>PS. Beware. Anyone who posts on this blog with any support or sympathy
>for Rabbi Tendler or KNH…
a real insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:11 am
Insider:

Indeed you are among the exceptions to hoi poloi in this discussion. I suspect that when you participated in KNH we were friends and probably still are. I understand that many people feel hurt by the situation. It is natural to become angry in such a situation when someone you love(d) turns out to be sick and not the person you thought s/he was. It is also natural to forgive that person with the passage of time, and I hope people will forgive RMT for his illness.

I don’t really care what others here say about me. All I’m interested in is pleasing G-d and respecting the person looking at me in the mirror.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:11 am
>I don’t know anything about RMT’s mental condition.

Then how can you excuse his rasha behavior through false claims that he is sick?

>I do however see a clear dichotomy. The RMT
>I know is a kind and gentle soul who acts based
>on an idealism of doing ratzon haBoreh, which for
>him is to do as much chesed as he can and
>encourage others to do likewise. I fashion
>myself an excellend judge of character,

Clearly you are not. You sound like every child molester’s best friend and character witness.

>and don’t believe he is anything but sincere
>in that pursuit. But yet people say, and there
>seems to be some proof, that he has visited
>unspeakable horrors on the most vulnerable
>amongst us. If it is true that he is a predator,
>then the only way I can reconcile the
>contradiction is to determine that he is sick
>and in need of treatment and our sympathy;
>not our derision and scorn.

That is called denial.

Mordecai is a sexual predator who preys on women. Aron is a sexual predator who preys on children. You are the people we call enablers.
a real insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:16 am
[jewishwhistleblower Says:

January 24th, 2006 at 12:11 am
>I don’t know anything about RMT’s mental condition.

Then how can you excuse his rasha behavior through false claims that he is sick?

>I do however see a clear dichotomy. The RMT
>I know is a kind and gentle soul who acts based
>on an idealism of doing ratzon haBoreh, which for
>him is to do as much chesed as he can and
>encourage others to do likewise. I fashion
>myself an excellend judge of character,

Clearly you are not. You sound like every child molester’s best friend and character witness.

>and don’t believe he is anything but sincere
>in that pursuit. But yet people say, and there
>seems to be some proof, that he has visited
>unspeakable horrors on the most vulnerable
>amongst us. If it is true that he is a predator,
>then the only way I can reconcile the
>contradiction is to determine that he is sick
>and in need of treatment and our sympathy;
>not our derision and scorn.

That is called denial.

Mordecai is a sexual predator who preys on women. Aron is a sexual predator who preys on children. You are the people we call enablers. ]

Then G-d forgive me. But i suspect that I’ll be seeing you in Hell.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:19 am
This is the real rasha Mordechai Tendler. The one who even altered his grandfathers’ teshuvot.

1) ...
2) ...

A paragraph was added into the body of the tshuva by Mordechai Tendler praising Mordechai Tendler (page 181 top right column).
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:24 am
>Then G-d forgive me.

What teshuvah have you done?

>But i suspect that I’ll be seeing you in Hell.

I do not plan on spending time with you in this world or the next.
a real insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:28 am
jewishwhistleblower Says:

January 24th, 2006 at 12:24 am
>>Then G-d forgive me.

>What teshuvah have you done?

That’s between me and G-d isn’t it? I’m not inclined to discuss matters spiritual with someone who fails to appreciate the nuances of G-d’s world.

>>But i suspect that I’ll be seeing you in Hell.

>I do not plan on spending time with you in this world or the next.

I never said we would be together. I said I suspect I’ll be seeing you in Hell. You assumed I’d be there too. Never assume. You make an ass of yourself.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:36 am
>That’s between me and G-d isn’t it? I’m not
>inclined to discuss matters spiritual with
>someone who fails to appreciate the
>nuances of G-d’s world.

I don’t know what religion you follow but it is not Judaism. I suggest you do teshuva, leave your place of idolotry (KNH) and rejoin Torah Judaism.
Fact checker Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 8:19 am
A Real Insider: The Torah doesnt excuse evil because of illness. Think of RMT’s victims. Think that he continues to humiliate them and smear them and accuse them of lying. Think of the people he and his goons attack. Think of the people who looked up to him and he let down. Think of his wife. Think of his children.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 8:35 am
1) If Tendler was mentally ill, his lawyer would not be able to take instructions from him.

2) If Tendler was mentally ill, why does KNH not stop him by removing him from KNH and stopping his current smears? Why do they allow him to do more damage to decent people?

3) These people at KNH do not follow Hashem, they follow Tendler. They are enablers. They will let Tendler destroy himself, KNH and the emunah of the children of their community. Only the children will I cry for.
Fact checker Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 8:42 am
If mental illness absolves his sins, then it also mitigates his good deeds. You can’t have it both ways.
ObjectiveJew Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 9:32 am
To insider:
Keep up your informative and measured posts. We learn a lot from what you say and the way you say it. Forget the acidic tone of others’ posts.

To real insider:
You may have a valid point in your comments. MT may very well be a good guy and may very well be a talmid chacham, etc. But I think you yourself are a victim of MT. I don’t mean that he raped you, but you are certainly taken by his charisma and personality. And it sounds like that charisma – and the good side of him – has victimized you into feeling bad for him.

I’ve never met him, so it sounds hard for someone like me to believe that you didn’t see any bad side at all. But your experiences with him have been positive and, if you’re not crazy (and we have no reason to think you are), they probably *were* positive. Remember though that no one in the world, even the worst criminals, are *all* bad. Some of the “all stars” on death row display acts of kindness and thoughtfulness towards others. They really do have a good side too. But that does not mean that they’re tzaddikim and we have no reason to feel sorry for them.

In fact, if that goodness is used – consciously or subconsciously – to mitigate the bad, we are all victims. He wins because we become slower to act, less willing to act, and if we *do* act we act less forcefully. “All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)

You’re absolutely correct that the glee on these and other pages – watching the mighty falling and fallen and enjoying it – is abominable. It is not a Jewish thing to do… at all. At the same time, it is in no way a Jewish thing to let people off the hook for a crime they commit. And, I admit, it makes it harder and harder to disagree with the glee as long as MT denies it all. You remain victimized as long as he wants.

Your sympathy for him – and JWB’s hatred for it – is a luxury. You have the luxury to feel bad for him because you know him and because it wasn’t you he hurt directly. We all know that if the victim were your daughter, you’d have a hard time feeling sympathy for him.

So, while I cannot agree with the tone of JWB’s wrath, I must say that I cannot disagree with his/her position of no sympathy.

Let him admit he has a problem, let him even begin to try and right the wrongs he has done and then we can start talking about sympathy for him. Until then, there is nothing to talk about.

Again, I wrote this is an effort to start a dialogue. If you’re interested, write back and ignore the sure-to-come venom.

(JWB, sit and watch a bit. Don’t jump to attack. I’ve mentioned before how much I respect you for championing the rights of the victims and for giving them a voice. You have changed the face of online victims’ rights. But please lay off people on your own side.)
no winners here Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 9:52 am
When RMT spoke once after the early Shabbos morning minyan he said that reading about what he is being accused of was like reading about another person. I think he meant that sincerely. There is definitely mental illness involved, but that does not absolve him of guilt.

I think many of the past and present KNH members are less than sympathetic because they know that the kehillah could have been saved. RMT should have stepped down or taken a leave of absence when the RCA expelled him (or even earlier) to fight the charges. This would have saved the kehilla. It’s the kind of thing one would do if he really cared about more than himself. Instead, an endless attack on process, not dealing with the charges at all, caused the kehilla to become fractured and to erode over time. That recent information leads one to believe that at least a substantial portion of the charges are true adds a feeling of betrayal to the anger and frustration of watching a great kehillah go down in flames.

I do feel sorry for RMT because he has done much good and is obviously distrurbed. I feel worse for Michelle. I feel terrible for the children, who are totally innocent victims.
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 10:13 am
ObjectiveJew writes:
>Keep up your informative and measured posts. We learn a lot from
>what you say and the way you say it. Forget the acidic tone of others’
>posts.

Thanks for your kind words. Much appreciated.
a real insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 10:43 am
Fact checker Says:

January 24th, 2006 at 8:19 am
A Real Insider: The Torah doesnt excuse evil because of illness. Think of RMT’s victims. Think that he continues to humiliate them and smear them and accuse them of lying. Think of the people he and his goons attack. Think of the people who looked up to him and he let down. Think of his wife. Think of his children.

I don’t expect the world to forgive him if he has done things that truly evil. I just don’t think people should enjoy his downfall either. When I consider the vicimts, his family and the kehilla it only compounds my sense of the tragedy. There is nothing to happy about.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 11:17 am
>I don’t expect the world to forgive him if he has
>done things that truly evil.

IF? Are you still delusional? He attorned to the courts of dayanim in Monsey. They determined he was lying. There is no more IF!

>I just don’t think people
>should enjoy his downfall either.

Why do you smear the intentions of Tendlers enemies?

I am angry at how he has degraded my religion. I am angry at those still at KNH who also degrade my religion by not removing Tendler immediately.

>When I consider the vicimts, his family and the kehilla
>it only compounds my sense of the tragedy. There is
>nothing to happy about.

Why do you do nothing about it? Remove Tendler’s door from his office. Shut off his phone. Turn off the electricity in his office. Change the locks to the shul. Padlock whatever parts of the building you can. Remove Tendler from your kehila. Do public teshuva to all Tendler, you and your shul have wronged. Until then do not dare tell me I am happy. I am not. I am angry.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 11:20 am
See my comment from 11 hours ago that has just been posted after moderation.

jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:19 am
This is the real rasha Mordechai Tendler. The one who even altered his grandfathers’ teshuvot.
(links ablove)
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 11:53 am
Mr. Whistleblower fails to recognize that the more he rants and repeats the same hysteria over and over again the less people bother to read what he writes.

Here is everything that Mr. Whistleblower has said on this blog, in a nutshell:
“Tender is a rasha. Padlock the doors. KNH members worships idols. I am not speaking lashon hara.” {Repeat endlessly}
FORMER KNH"ER Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
I agree with insider - if JW still wants to still be taken seriously - he has to tone down the rhetoric.

Can someone explain why the link to jewish survivors blogspot for Rav Moshe Tendler has suddenly disappeared?
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
I suggest if “a real insider” and “insider” want to rant about me and my motivations they use the other thread about me.

Let’s get back to the topic of why KNH can’t get rid of a known sexual predator from its pulpit despite the clear rulings of dayanim in Monsey to whose courts Mordecai Tendler publicly recognized and attorned to.
KNHMEMBER2 Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 1:37 pm
The Talmus states that those who have mercy for people who are evil, will be evil to people who have mercy.
The pro Tendler people who have mercy for the evil MT, are already showing evilness to the one’s who have mercy …. the one’s who care deeply about the victims ….
Victims Unite Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 1:50 pm
ObjectiveJew Says
“You’re absolutely correct that the glee on these and other pages – watching the mighty falling and fallen and enjoying it – is abominable. It is not a Jewish thing to do…�?

This point being raised here and other post above of having compassion for the ill; and Tendler is not; is not one KNH holds.
The mighty you refer to is Tendler and not the true mighty souls he destroyed.
KNH has no compassion.
KNH celebrated their perceived downfall of any person who came out about the truth of Tendlers’ abuse.
They celebrated when honorable people were being maligned in every media,
and false Beit Din that KNH and Tendler published.
They call all the women crazy to cover-up for him, celebrating their perceived downfall by KNH.
And in there false accusations stating the women are crazy they never showed compassion to them.
Tendler as always played this game that he needs protection, and is just a sweet Talmid of the Torah, overly compassionate to his enemies and to crazy and troubled women that not only do these crazy women return his kindness with lies about him but he needs protection from them because he is too compassionate.
Yet you go to him for every personal thing, advise and counseling which shows you trust him; you go to him so he can protect you knowing he is more then capable-obviously not a man who needs protection.
You have been seduced to believing he needs protection and still doing that now saying he’s
excused because he is mentally ill. Your not protecting your future.
You do imitate his compassion well because both KNH and Tendler don’t really have any.
But only him do you protect.
You are not concerned for being compassionate to the ill;
You don’t even cry for the ill state your members are in now and their children influenced from this sick place.
KNH showed no compassion for those victims they called crazy because they knew it was a lie
and have know feelings towards the daughters of Israel being hurt or damaged.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 2:19 pm
Kohellet Rabbah, 7:16

“Kol mee sheh’nah’ah’seh rah’cha’mahn bim’kom ach’za’ree, sof sheh’nah’ah’seh ach’zah’ree bim’kom rach’ah’mahn,”

“One who is compassionate at a time when he should be cruel, will ultimately be cruel at a time when compassion is called for.”

Tendler apologists, stop your nonsense about fear of legal repercussions for firing Tendler. You certainly didn’t care about any repercussions when you attacked Tendler’s victims and their supporters. Do the right thing, kick Tendler out NOW.
KNHMEMBER2 Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 2:45 pm
There is a Committee of Women forming to picket every Simcha that Tendler gets any kind of honor ….
We asking people to post any Simcha that they know for sure Tendler will be attending!
Kindly post date, time, and venue!
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 3:06 pm
There have been threats of picketing several times in the past. No one ever showed up.

Why picket infrequent simchas when he is honored, when you could picket in front of his house 24/7 or in front of KNH on Shabbat? (Partially rhetorical question.) After all, he is honored as Rabbi every Shabbat at KNH.

I don’t necessarily think that picketing will change anything, therefore am I not suggesting that you do it. However, if you are going to picket, there are much better opportunities than when he is honored at simchas, which might never occur at all. (On second thought, perhaps that is your intention anyhow. I have no idea.)
lachmeet Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 3:33 pm
Why ruin someone else’s Simcha just because MT is there. Picket in front of KNH or SP the Prez’s house
NewHempsteadTruth Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
This is what the 7 rabbis said:

Translation of a joint Rabbinic Kol Korah
“Denial & Clarification�? letter
issued by 7 Leading Monsey Rabbonim
against R’ Mordecai Tendler of
New Hempstead, New York
Denial (of his claims) and Clarification!

We have gathered together to inform the public that since it has been publicly announced, written and printed that we investigated R’Mordecai Tendler and that we were convinced of the truth of his statements. We are hereby forced to publicize that this is an outright Lie!

In addition, we want to publicize our opinion that after thoroughly investigating the matter in his presence and after a thorough examination of the issues, it is our opinion that one must not seek any advice in any area including Shalom Bayis, and certainly not in any Halachic matters pertaining to Divorce, Marriage or Conversions!

On this matter we are affixing our signatures on this the 20th day of the month of Iyar* in the year 5765. Here, in Monsey, New York

(In order of Hebrew Signatures)

Rabbi Moshe Green,
Rosh Yeshivah, Yeshivah D’Monsey
Rabbi Yisroel Hager
Son of the Grand Rabbi of Vishnitz
Rabbi Chaim Halberstam,
Rav, K’hal Yoel Moshe, Satmar, Monsey
Rabbi Chaim Shraga Feival Shnaybalg
Rav, K’hal Avreichim, Monsey
Rabbi Chaim Leibish Halevi Rottenberg
Rav, K’hal Netzach Yisroel,Monsey
Rabbi Sharaga Feivel Halevi Zimmerman
Rav, K’hal Bney Ashkenaz,Monsey
Rabbi Mordechai Ohrbach
Rav, K’hal Forshay,Monsey

I have reread this multiple times and am bothered by the fact that nowhere in their statement did the 7 rabbis say that they investigated MT and found him guilty of sexual impropriety. Why did they omit this? Will they sign a document stating that they investigated it and found him guilty of this? Just because JWB says it is so does not make it so. There are 2 possibilities. One - they didn’t really investigate it and find him guilty nor did they find him exonerated (as per their comment that he lied). That would make JWB the liar. Two - they did investigate it and found him guilty of the allegations. In this case, why did they stay silent for over 2 years? If they did hear and see hard evidence and found him guilty, how could they remain silent for such a long time? Even if you buy that they received advice to remain quiet as he would resign, after 6 months don’t you think that would have been long enough to realize it wasn’t going to happen? Moreover, it seems that Adina has a stronger case against these 7 than KNH. They supposedly heard and saw hard evidence and found MT guilty and remained silent while she was being abused. KNH never was provided with anything. Why so much ambiguity in the statement?

Former member
ObjectiveJew Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
Insider:
An innocent question that has been bothering me: Those 9 Rabbis, did the shul know them before? Did they have a connection with MT and his congregants? If they had come out in favor of MT, would the shul be packed? If the honest answer is no, (that is, their exoneration of MT would make no difference) I should think that their opinion should have less weight in proclaiming his guilt as well.

In other words, if these Rabbis are respected Rabbis and, after their investigation, they found him innocent, people would flock to shul and the whole thing would be over. If that is not the case, why should people flee when they found him guilty?
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 4:20 pm
Mordecai Tendler posts another meaningless statement by the Jerusalem Bais Din on his website. This January 12, 2006 decision is based on the bais din’s ignorance of previous rulings against Mordechai Tendler and false submissions by Tendler.

...

No bais din has jurisdiction to determine or even hear any allegations already determined by dayanim in Monsey to whom Tendler attorned, publicly, to the jurisdiction of their courts. Thus the underlying allegations on which the RCA removed Tendler are proven.

The Jerusalem Bais Din decision is null and void.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 4:31 pm
ObjectiveJew what you are missing, and I will repeat it again, Mordecai Tendler attorned, publicly, to the jurisdiction of their courts.

Tendler is thus bound by their decision. He is not entitled to have their determinations re-tried. No bais din has the jurisdiction to overrule them.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 4:42 pm
There is also a letter from Mordecai’s uncles that is posted dated 4 Teves 5766:

...

It is of course is nonsense. All Torah jews are entitled to follow the rulings of the dayanim of Monsey to whom Mordecai Tendler attorned, publicly, to the jurisdiction of their courts. Their decisions in the matter are final.
ObjectiveJew Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 5:03 pm
>ObjectiveJew what you are missing,
>and I will repeat it again, Mordecai
>Tendler attorned, publicly, to the
>jurisdiction of their courts.
>
>Tendler is thus bound by their decision.
> He is not entitled to have their
> determinations re-tried. No bais din
> has the jurisdiction to overrule them.

JWB, you are absolutely correct. I was just asking whether these Rabbis are people the congregation valued. Do they know them? Are they the Rabbis of the synagogues within walking distance of MT’s synagogue or are they other people.
For example, we all know that no-name Rabbis put everyone and their mother in cherem and it means nothing. Are they those kind of Rabbis?

Also, you say “Mordecai Tendler attorned, publicly, to the jurisdiction of their courts.” When? Where?
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 5:20 pm
What the people at KNH thought of them is irrelevant. Their leader Mordecai Tendler submitted himself to these dayanim to determine issues related to abuse allegations against him. As we have been told, his father arranged that. But to be clear, Mordecai Tendler appeared voluntarily before these dayanim.

So:
1) Mordecai Tendler submitted himself to the jurisdiction of their courts, hence he attorned to their jurisdiction.
2) He has confirmed 1) to numerous congregants and people as well. This assertion was made publically at the KNH public meeting after the RCA tossed him. He has made clear statements that he submitted himself to their judgement and that they cleared him. Of course the truth is they never cleared him. But it is true he attorned to their jurisdiction and is bound by their decisions.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 5:47 pm
I sure with some of the other cases of sex offenders in the Jewish world would get as much attention as the Tendler trio.

I was looking over the list on both The Awareness Center site ... , and also on Luke Ford’s profile list ...

Where is the public outcry on the other cases? Does anyone care about the these two cases?
1. ...
2. ...

There are over 300 entries here on Mordecai Tendler. Does anyone care about the survivor in Las Vegas, and the lies and manipulations that are going on by the Chabad rabbi there to protect his buddy?

David Lipman’s trial is supposed to start in a few weeks. Anyone care about that?
a real insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 6:05 pm
For the sake of clarity, I will interspere my remarks in capital letters, but I’m not screaming.

ObjectiveJew Says:

January 24th, 2006 at 9:32 am
To insider:
Keep up your informative and measured posts. We learn a lot from what you say and the way you say it. Forget the acidic tone of others’ posts.

To real insider:
You may have a valid point in your comments. MT may very well be a good guy and may very well be a talmid chacham, etc. But I think you yourself are a victim of MT. I don’t mean that he raped you, but you are certainly taken by his charisma and personality. And it sounds like that charisma – and the good side of him – has victimized you into feeling bad for him.

OF COURSE I’M TAKEN BY HIS CHARISMA AND HIS GOOD QUALITIES. SO WHAT? THAT DOESN’T MEAN I’VE LOST ALL OBJECTIVITY ABOUT HIM. I’M WELL AWARE OF HIS CHARACTER FLAWS. I THINK HE CAN BE CONTROLLING AND DOMINEERING (I.E. KISSING MEN ON SHABBAT MORNINGS. IT’S A WAY OF ESTABLISHING DOMINENCE). HE DOESN’T REALLY LIE AS MUCH AS NOT TELL THE COMPLETE TRUTH. SOMEONE IN SCHUL SAID THAT HE SPEAKS IN A WAY THAT IS TECHNICALLY CORRECT, BUT SUBSTANTIVELY UNTRUE. I AGREE WITH THAT.

I’ve never met him, so it sounds hard for someone like me to believe that you didn’t see any bad side at all.
SEE ABOVE

But your experiences with him have been positive and, if you’re not crazy (and we have no reason to think you are), they probably *were* positive.

I’M NO CRAZIER THAN ANYONE ELSE.

Remember though that no one in the world, even the worst criminals, are *all* bad. Some of the “all stars�? on death row display acts of kindness and thoughtfulness towards others. They really do have a good side too. But that does not mean that they’re tzaddikim and we have no reason to feel sorry for them.

IT’S NOT ABOUT FEELING SORRY FOR HIM. IT’S ABOUT NOT ENJOYING HIS ORDEAL. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR PERSOANL REPERCUSSIONS TO HIM, SO BE IT. BUT WE DON’T HAVE BE HAPPY HE’S GETTING IT.

In fact, if that goodness is used – consciously or subconsciously – to mitigate the bad, we are all victims.

I DISAGREE. CONSIDERING HIS GOOD POINTS ADDS PERSPECTIVE TO THE SITUATION. IT IS FROM THE FACT THAT HE HAS GOOD TRAITS THAT THE MUSSAR OF THIS EPISODE IN HISOTRY DERIVES. I DON’T KNOW WHAT THAT MUSSAR IS YETL I’M TOO CLOSE TO THE SITUATION. BUT TIME WILL REVEAL IT.

He wins because we become slower to act, less willing to act, and if we *do* act we act less forcefully. “All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing. (Edmund Burke)

I’ DON’T SEE WHY. I’M IN FAVOR OF PERSPECTIVE AND INTROSPECTION NOT INACTION ALA HAMLET.

You’re absolutely correct that the glee on these and other pages – watching the mighty falling and fallen and enjoying it – is abominable.

WELL WE AGREE ON SOMETHING.

It is not a Jewish thing to do… at all. At the same time, it is in no way a Jewish thing to let people off the hook for a crime they commit.

I’M NOT SUGGESTING THAT AT ALL, IF HE WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS WRONG WHEN HE DID IT, HE HAS CULPABILITY AND MUST BEAR THE CONSEQUENCES. BUT I THINK THE CONSEQUENCES SHOULD BE METED OUT IN LIGHT OF THE PERSPECTIVE I SEEK AND FIND PAINFULLY LACKING HERE. THE ISSUES OF “GUILT” AND “PUNISHMENT” ARE NOT THE SAME.

And, I admit, it makes it harder and harder to disagree with the glee as long as MT denies it all.

OR IT RENDERS THIS SITUATION ALL THE MORE TRAGIC AND FRUSTRATING.

You remain victimized as long as he wants.

Your sympathy for him – and JWB’s hatred for it – is a luxury. You have the luxury to feel bad for him because you know him and because it wasn’t you he hurt directly. We all know that if the victim were your daughter, you’d have a hard time feeling sympathy for him.

G-D FORBID MY THIS TYPE OF THING EVER HAPPENS TO SOMEONE CLOSE TO ME, YOU’RE RIGHT I WOULDN’T CARE ONE WHIT ABOUT “PERSPECTIVE” ETC. BUT THAT’S NOT A FAIR ANALYSIS AND YOU KNOW IT. A PARENTAL INSTINCT IS JUST THAT; A VISCERAL URGE TO PROTECT ONE’S YOUNG; EVEN IF IT DEFIES LOGIC.

So, while I cannot agree with the tone of JWB’s wrath, I must say that I cannot disagree with his/her position of no sympathy.

THE ISSUE IS NOT SYMPATHY. IN TRUTH I DON’T FEEL MUCH SYMPATHY FOR RMT. BUT I DO RECOGNIZE THAT HE MIGHT BE ILL, AND AS SUCH I’M NOT IN A RUSH TO SEE HIM DESTROYED OVER THIS. IF THE EVIDENCE, WHEN IT ALL COMES OUT DEMONSTRATES HIS CULPABILITY, APPROPRIATE STEPS TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE, AND EVEN PROVIDE THE VICTIMS A MODICUM OF SATISFACTION SHOULD BE IMPLEMENTED. BUT IF HE ACTED AS A RESULT OF ILLNESS, THEN WE DARE NOT LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBILITY OF REHABILITATION, NO MATTER HOW REMOTE.

Let him admit he has a problem, let him even begin to try and right the wrongs he has done and then we can start talking about sympathy for him. Until then, there is nothing to talk about.

BUT THERE IS PLENTY TO TALK ABOUT. IF HE IS ILL, THEN HOW WE REACT TO HIM AND TREAT HIM SAYS A GREAT DEAL ABOUT US.

Again, I wrote this is an effort to start a dialogue. If you’re interested, write back and ignore the sure-to-come venom.

OBVIOUSLY I AM

(JWB, sit and watch a bit. Don’t jump to attack. I’ve mentioned before how much I respect you for championing the rights of the victims and for giving them a voice. You have changed the face of online victims’ rights. But please lay off people on your own side.)
PLONIALMONI Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 6:14 pm
To Real Insider

You raise good points on an emotional level but you are way off as to how to deal with the type of person Tendler is.

BTW. You describe his lies as being not technically being completely correct.

There is an old Yiddish expression. Loosely translated: A half-truth is a complete lie.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
>IF HE IS ILL, THEN HOW WE REACT TO HIM AND
>TREAT HIM SAYS A GREAT DEAL ABOUT US.

1) There is no evidence he is mentally ill.
2) We all are well aware of how you treated his victims who you also claimed were ill. It certainly didn’t entail any compassion
3) Kohellet Rabbah, 7:16 - “Kol mee sheh’nah’ah’seh rah’cha’mahn bim’kom ach’za’ree, sof sheh’nah’ah’seh ach’zah’ree bim’kom rach’ah’mahn”
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 6:28 pm
>I have reread this multiple times and am bothered
>by the fact that nowhere in their statement did the
>7 rabbis say that they investigated MT and found
>him guilty of sexual impropriety. Why did they omit
>this? Will they sign a document stating that they
>investigated it and found him guilty of this? Just
>because JWB says it is so does not make it so.
>There are 2 possibilities. One - they didn’t really
>investigate it and find him guilty nor did they find him
>exonerated (as per their comment that he lied). That
>would make JWB the liar. Two - they did investigate it
>and found him guilty of the allegations. In this case,
>why did they stay silent for over 2 years? If they did
>hear and see hard evidence and found him guilty, how
>could they remain silent for such a long time? Even if
>you buy that they received advice to remain quiet as
>he would resign, after 6 months don’t you think that
>would have been long enough to realize it wasn’t going
>to happen?

Why don’t you phone them directly unstead of false speculation? They have confirmed their investigations and findings to numerous parties. Read the Forward and Jewish Week articles as well.

>Moreover, it seems that has a stronger
>case against these 7 than KNH. They supposedly
>heard and saw hard evidence and found MT guilty
>and remained silent while she was being abused.

Clearly you should talk to a lawyer about basic concepts such as liability and parties. What possible claim does the victim have against the dayanim?

>KNH never was provided with anything.

False.

>Why so much ambiguity in the statement?
>
>Former member

If you understood anything about rabbonim you would understand that they are not going to give you every salacious detail in a written decision like this. Again, call them directly and stop making bizarre conclusions based on inane speculation and a general lack of understanding.
ObjectiveJew Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 6:29 pm
To real insider:

Thanks for your measured response. It’s refreshing to have a decent conversation here and to agree to disagree.

Let me comment on a few of your points:
OF COURSE I’M TAKEN BY HIS CHARISMA AND HIS GOOD QUALITIES. SO WHAT? THAT DOESN’T MEAN I’VE LOST ALL OBJECTIVITY ABOUT HIM.

Yes it does. Just as you say below that a parent’s response is an unfair comparison, so is your closeness to the situation. The fact that you admit that you’re taken is a wonderful expression of sincerity on your part. But realize that you’re not objective about him.

KISSING MEN ON SHABBAT MORNINGS. IT’S A WAY OF ESTABLISHING DOMINENCE.

Huh?? I admit that I haven’t read every single posting here, but what is that? When does he kiss men? Was that supposed to be sarcastic? Maybe I missed something. I feel silly asking, but was that an exaggeration?

HE DOESN’T REALLY LIE AS MUCH AS NOT TELL THE COMPLETE TRUTH. SOMEONE IN SCHUL SAID THAT HE SPEAKS IN A WAY THAT IS TECHNICALLY CORRECT, BUT SUBSTANTIVELY UNTRUE. I AGREE WITH THAT.

That’s his grasp on you talking. You can’t really believe that and then say you’re objective.

IT’S NOT ABOUT FEELING SORRY FOR HIM. IT’S ABOUT NOT ENJOYING HIS ORDEAL. IF THERE IS A NEED FOR PERSOANL REPERCUSSIONS TO HIM, SO BE IT. BUT WE DON’T HAVE BE HAPPY HE’S GETTING IT.

Of course. No question. It’s a tragedy any way you slice it.

I DISAGREE. CONSIDERING HIS GOOD POINTS ADDS PERSPECTIVE TO THE SITUATION. IT IS FROM THE FACT THAT HE HAS GOOD TRAITS THAT THE MUSSAR OF THIS EPISODE IN HISOTRY DERIVES.

Here’s where we agree to disagree.

I’ DON’T SEE WHY. I’M IN FAVOR OF PERSPECTIVE AND INTROSPECTION NOT INACTION ALA HAMLET.

But how much time do you need? I understand this has been going on for some time now.

BUT IF HE ACTED AS A RESULT OF ILLNESS, THEN WE DARE NOT LEAVE OPEN THE POSSIBILITY OF REHABILITATION, NO MATTER HOW REMOTE.

Please explain this too. I just don’t know what you mean.

BUT THERE IS PLENTY TO TALK ABOUT. IF HE IS ILL, THEN HOW WE REACT TO HIM AND TREAT HIM SAYS A GREAT DEAL ABOUT US.

True. I accept that. Still, if he is ill, then JWB is right, something has to happen. Someone should prevent him from being a Rabbi - from driving even! I don’t believe the community really believe he is ill. If they did, they’d do something.
a real insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 6:29 pm
PLONIALMONI Says:

January 24th, 2006 at 6:14 pm
To Real Insider

You raise good points on an emotional level but you are way off as to how to deal with the type of person Tendler is.

BTW. You describe his lies as being not technically being completely correct.

There is an old Yiddish expression. Loosely translated: A half-truth is a complete lie.

I'’M NOT BEING EMOTIONAL. I AM HOWEVER TRYING TO PUT THIS DEBACLE AND THIS BLOG INTO SOME SORT OF SPIRITUAL CONTEXT. I.E. DOES G-D REALLY WANT US RELISHING THE DEMISE OF RMT? IF HE HAS TO BE REMOVED FROM THE RABBINATE SO BE IT. IF HE FACES CIVIL PENALTIES FOR HIS ACTIONS SO BE IT. BUT NEED WE ENJOY IT SO?

A HALBE EMES IS A GANTZ LIG’N IS THE EXPRESSION TO WHICH YOU REFER. BUT THAT’S NOT WHAT I MEAN. RMT USES CONTEXTUAL PRECISION AT THE EXPENSE OF COLLOQUIAL MEANING. WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT BEING ALONE WITH A WOMAN, FOR EXAMPLE, HE’S REFERRING TO THE HALACHIK ISSUE OF YICHUD, EVEN WHEN HE KNOWS THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DISCUSSION IS NOT THINKING ABOUT YICHUD AT ALL. THAT’S WHAT I MEAN.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 6:39 pm
>I sure with some of the other cases of sex
>offenders in the Jewish world would get as
>much attention as the Tendler

I agree.

My 2006 preliminary schedule:

1) Cantor Howard Nevison criminal trial and decision and possibly an appeal (due to a gag order on all sides it is unclear if the trial has started as scheduled for November, 2005). More information to come shortly.

2) Rabbi Gabriel Ohayon possible civil trial, there was a motion to dismiss by the Boca Raton Community Kollel (Rabbi Kenneth Brander was the person served on behalf of them), the plaintiff was given time to amend her claim which she did, they also unsuccessfully filed a motion to dismiss. The Community Kollel Inc. subsequently filed a corrected proposal for settlement on December 20, 2005. There was also a Motion filed on January 4, 2006 by the Kollel for an enlargment of time. The motion was heard on January 11, 2006. More to come.

3) Mordecai Tendler, Jan.30, 2006 motion to dismiss the civil complaint. Obviously, much more to come.

4) Rabbi David Lipman Feb. 8, 2006 criminal trial scheduled. Likely to be some child pornography charges which will delay the trial. There may be some criminal charges in another state announced as well.

5) Cantor Robert Shapiro Oct. 17, 2006 house arrest ends, probation begins.

6) Rabbi Baruch Lanner parole hearing November 1, 2006 (or shortly prior to that date, as it is his potential early release date).

7) Rabbi Jerrold Martin Levy prison release scheduled for January 06, 2007.

8) Maryland Attorney General’s Office decision regarding Rabbi David Kaye. Will only be announced if there are criminal charges. Likely to be a further Dateline NBC follow up due to likely charges against others in the documentary, at least in VA.

Feel free to add to this list.
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 6:59 pm
Objective Jew asks:
>Those 9 Rabbis, did the shul know them before?
Those rabbis are well known around Monsey. They had not specific relationship with KNH. In fact, I never saw any of those rabbis step foot in KNH for any reason during my many years at KNH.

>Did they have a connection with MT and his congregants?
Not that I know of. I don’t know exactly what compelled those 7 (actually, it was 9) rabbis to join together to investigate Rabbi Tendler’s controversial halachic rulings. I have heard that it was Rabbi Moshe Dovid Tendler who put together the group to “exonerate” Rabbi Tendler. I have never heard this from a credible source, nor have I attempted to confirm it from anyone who would know for sure.

>If they had come out in favor of MT, would the shul be packed?
I doubt it. Remember, Rabbi Tendler regularly claimed that those rabbis vindicated him - and yet this (mis)information did not dissuade many people from leaving anyway.

>If the honest answer is no, (that is, their exoneration of MT would
>make no difference) I should think that their opinion should have
>less weight in proclaiming his guilt as well.

Your logical reasoning has one major flaw, in my opinion. You assume that their letter was the only reason that people left KNH. Even if those 9 rabbis found him innocent, the other evidence against Rabbi Tendler would still remain and people would still leave. Of course, the letter from 7 of the 9 rabbis had a major impact, but it was not the only item under consideration by most members of KNH.

[Note: Of the original 9 rabbis, 1 moved to Israel and 1 did not sign the letter because he did not want to remain involved in the issue. Hence, only 7 signed the letter.]
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:00 pm
9) Cantor Michael Segelstein was originally arraigned on one count each of attempted sexual assault, battery with intent to commit sexual assault and open and gross lewdness. He pled guilty as part of a plea agreement to open or gross lewdness, received one year suspended sentence with conditions and court ordered into counseling and was discharged from probation on December 2, 2005. He still faces a civil trial. Last I checked pre-trial was scheduled for April 24, 2006 at 09:30 AM and trial was set for May 1, 2006 at 09:30 AM.
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:07 pm
Objective Jew writes:
>I don’t believe the community really believe he is ill. If they did, they’d
>do something.

You are mistaken if you believe that the community is not doing anything. There is a lot that is being done. Some of this is public information, most of it is not. At the bare minimum, consider the fact that 90% of his congregation has left. This can hardly be viewed as inaction.

Don’t believe Mr. Whistleblower’s totally uninformed claims that KNH is doing nothing. He has no clue what is being done. Rest assured, no one is sitting back on their laurels waiting for the next victim to walk through the door.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:16 pm
>Don’t believe Mr. Whistleblower’s totally uninformed
>claims that KNH is doing nothing. He has no clue
>what is being done. Rest assured, no one is sitting
>back on their laurels waiting for the next victim to
>walk through the door.

Of course KNH is doing something:
1) They’re paying, employing him and keeping him on the pulpit.
2) They’re giving him free run of the shul.
3) They’re ensuring he has a minyan.
4) They’re letting him continue with his smear campaigns, press releases and a website.
5) They’re giving him respectability of their names and their institution.
6) They’re doing zero for his victims.

Yes, I agree, they are doing alot.
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:24 pm
New Hempstead Truth writes:
>>KNH never was provided with anything.

Mr Whistleblower writes:
>False

Many members of KNH, including several former board members, have posted on this blog (and others) stating as a fact that, even until this day, no one has presented anyone at KNH with hard evidence against Rabbi Tendler (except for one member of KNH who came forward very recently with her observantions of likely misconduct).

And yet, Mr. Whistleblower, who has never met Rabbi Tendler nor ever stepped foot in KNH, repeatedly answers this challenge with a single hollow word: “False”, and claims that KNH was given evidence long ago.

Therefore, I am making a public challenge to Mr. Whistleblower: Provide the name of the person of authority at KNH who was provide with the evidence, the exact nature of the evidence, the name of the person (or people) who provided it, and the approximate timeframe that the evidence was presented.

If he refuses, then his actions speak louder than his hollow words.
If he provides the information that he claims so strongly, then KNH can verify whether it is true. If it is true, then there will surely be consequences for the person (or people) who supressed the evidence. However, if it is not true, then he will be proven a liar.

Based on my experience, Mr. Whistleblower will refuse to answer the challenge. He will claim that Luke Ford has the evidence hidden behind a bogus URL, or he will claim that the evidence cannot be given to KNH in order to protect the victims (i.e. audio tapes) - or some similar excuse.

Anyone who truly wants to see Rabbi Tendler removed from his position of power will present the hard evidence to KNH immediately. Anyone who chooses to withhold it is little more than an accomplice to Rabbi Tendler’s actions (past, and possibly even future).
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:32 pm
Just a friendly reminder to the readers of the blog…

Mr. Whistleblower still has not answered a simple question, which I posed to him 2 days ago:

—–
Adina’s lawyers were even interviewed by David Hafetz for the story,
which is unethical without the consent of the client (namely, Adina).

Therefore, either:
1) Adina gave consent (in which case she obviously does not object to her name being used)
or
2) Adina did not give consent (in which case her lawyers are unethical and should be removed from the Bar Association)

Which is it?
—–
Victims Unite Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:33 pm
>I sure with some of the other cases of sex
>offenders in the Jewish world would get as
>much attention as the Tendler

I agree. And all victims should have a voice and all Justice should prevail.
And yes there are many other horrible crimes in the world.
Unfortunately the death of Lisa Steinberg in the 90s, NYC-where there had been centuries of child abuse which wasn’t-noticed was the case that changed law and caused awareness.
So if we could see justice here and a turn in our Judicial system then perhaps we will awake to the other rabbinical, clergy, child, domestic sexual abuses. And this is already taking place. Keep on the Derech of truth.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:40 pm
As I’ve said many times evidence of what KNH officials knew and when will come out in court.

You make a lot of lame challenges.
Here’s a real challenge to KNH: Fire Tendler.

>Anyone who truly wants to see Rabbi Tendler
>removed from his position of power will present
>the hard evidence to KNH immediately. Anyone
>who chooses to withhold it is little more than an
>accomplice to Rabbi Tendler’s actions (past, and
>possibly even future).

1) Evidence was presented to the dayanim in Monsey, they evaluated and ruled on it.
2) Anyone at KNH currently has obviously ignored their rulings.
3) I publicly state again that no one should help KNH save its shul in any way. Let it die.
4) As I’ve stated many times, evidence should only be presented in a court of law with protections from KNH/Tendler harassment.
5) Those at KNH were/are/will be accomplices to Tendler’s actions as are those who ignore the rulings of Monsey’s dayanim.
6) Accusing those who went to your dayanim, talked to Praesidium investigators, who co-operated with the RCA, who will co-operate in a civil suit and who have suffered KNH/Tendler harassment as “accomplices” is beneath contempt.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:44 pm
>Which is it?

Neither. They got her name from court records (likely from someone in the court records office who passes tips on to the NY Post) and were going to use it regardless of whether her lawyer cooperated with an interview.

Regardless, phone up the victim or her lawyer and find out if she gave you consent to use her name. The answer of course will be no.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:52 pm
JWB, hope you don’t mind I took your list and put it up here ...

Figured it would be easier for everyone to see.
Victims Unite Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 7:53 pm
Hey “insider�? really Shlomo Pomeranz, David Resnick, Minsky, Fred Brinn who are among Tendlers thugs, you are harassing this victim. And you are even sicker to state Justification for this. You clearly are posting this victims name as many times as you possibly can to deliberately cause notice. STOP USING the VICTIMS NAME. KNH and Tendler have victimized her enough you can’t seem to get enough. SO enough!!!

Stop now attempts will be made to trace you.
Never publish the identity of a sexual assault victim without his or her prior consent, regardless of whether the case is in the criminal or civil courts.
See url: ...
Anonymous Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
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Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz
Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz, Shlomo Pomeranz
NEXT….
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 8:38 pm
>As I’ve said many times evidence of what KNH officials knew
>and when will come out in court.

As expected, Mr. Whistleblower but refuses to provide any details of the evidence that he claims was given to KNH long ago, even when many current and former board members have stated openly that no such evidence was ever provided.

Once the case is thrown out of court (which every lawyer I have spoken with is certain will happen), I suspect that Mr. Whistleblower will still refuse to provide details.

Rabbi Tendler owes a huge debt of gratitude to Mr. Whistleblower, since Mr. Whistleblower has helped Rabbi Tendler stay in power much too long.
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 8:41 pm
Victims Unite writes:
>Hey “insider�? really Shlomo Pomeranz, David Resnick, Minsky, Fred Brinn

The list you provide is really quite remarkable. Unfortunately you lack the inside information to understand the significance of your list. At this time, I cannot elaborate. However, one day you will realize the irony of your list.
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 8:44 pm
>Never publish the identity of a sexual assault victim without his or
>her prior consent

Her consent was granted when she permitted her lawyers to provide her full name to David Hafetz and NY Post’s 675,000+ readers.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 9:12 pm
As usual we see “Insider’s” real purpose to smear victims and their supporters.

The reason Tendler is so comfortable operating in KNH and was able to do so for such a long period was people like “insider”.
KNHMEMBER2 Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 9:17 pm
To Insider
you challenge JWB asking the following question

>Therefore, I am making a public challenge to Mr. Whistleblower: Provide the name of the person of authority at KNH who was provide with the evidence, the exact nature of the evidence, the name of the person (or people) who provided it, and the approximate timeframe that the evidence was presented.
KNHMEMBER2 Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 9:23 pm
The answer Mr. Insider is as following:
The evidence was presented to Dr. Reznick!
The evidence was DNA from both , a victim, and Tendler!
The evidence was presented by two Rabbonim
The evidence was presented to Dr. Reznick four weeks ago!
The evidence was also offered to Yuda Teichman who until today has not called back for an appointment to see it!
KNHMEMBER2 Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 9:28 pm
By the way ….
The “Insider” knew all the above but continues the charade, as being fair.
The “Insider” is an enabler ….. and will never get out of “Gehenom” because he knows the truth … and continues to support a Rasha Merusha!
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 9:50 pm
>The answer Mr. Insider is as following:
>The evidence was presented to Dr. Reznick!

Dr. Resnick was shown part of the evidence 2 weeks ago only after he went to great lengths to track down the people who possess the evidence. The people with the evidence never came forward to KNH, not in the past and not currently.

Even the DNA report shown to Dr. Resnick lacks proof that the DNA sample and comparison sample come from Rabbi Tendler. (Dr. Resnick was assured that there are witnesses who can testify regarding those details, but he was not allowed to speak to them or even to be told their names).

Mr. Whistleblower has been claiming for months that KNH had hard irrefutable evidence long ago. Dr. Resnick saw potentially irrefutable evidence (assuming the witness story is true) only 2 weeks ago, after the board had already begun the steps necessary to remove Rabbi Tendler.

My sources are solid. I stand by my assertion that no one has come to KNH with hard evidence against Rabbi Tendler. Many other current and former KNH members have posted here with the exact same information. Only Mr. Whistleblower claims otherwise.
NewHempsteadTruth Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 9:55 pm
JWB - once Adina’s attorney agreed to the interview, her name became public domain and her right to privacy was removed. It’s a shame that her attorney put the case ahead of her client but that’s the reality of the situation. You can still go to the New York Post website and search the archives on Tendler and guess what article shows up with Adina’s name, residences, etc. all included in the article. Ms. Kramer could have said No Comment but she chose otherwise.
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 10:04 pm
KNHMEMBER2 writes:
By the way ….
>The “Insider�? is an enabler ….. and will never get out of “Gehenom�?
>because he knows the truth … and continues to support a Rasha Merusha!

You have not been participating in this blog long enough to know me. Go back and read from the beginning.

My observations and opinions are well documented on this blog, including the original 675 comment thread. I have never defended Rabbi Tendler, because I do not believe that there is a reasonable defense for his actions (and, I do not believe that claiming that he is “ill” is a reasonable defense).

I left KNH many months ago. I firmly believe that Rabbi Tendler is guilty of many transgressions (including many that are above and beyond the allegations that are known to the public) and must be removed as quickly as possible. Period. Nothing I have said contradicts my fundamental position. Feel free to cite statements that I have made to the contrary.
NewHempsteadTruth Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 10:05 pm
JWB says: If you understood anything about rabbonim you would understand that they are not going to give you every salacious detail in a written decision like this. Again, call them directly and stop making bizarre conclusions based on inane speculation and a general lack of understanding.

I already provided the actual translation of the 7 rabbis statement which CLEARLY did NOT say they found him guilt on the sexual charges. Let’s take a look at what Rabbi Ohrbach told The Jewish Week. “He did not come across as truthful, and he said things at the meeting that were borderline absurd and delusional, and totally false.” That’s all that appears in The Jewish Week. Where in that citation or the signed statement by the 7 rabbis do you see them say that investigated the charges and found him guilty? You don’t because it is not there. The Forward does not provide any additional quotes from any of the 7 rabbis.

JWB - it is possible that the 7 did investigate and found him guilty. However, nowhere do THEY say that is what happened. It is only you and your cabal that are saying that is what they said.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 10:19 pm
To summarize:

1) Insider’s focus is on smearing the victim.

2) NewHempsteadTruth can’t be bothered to go to the source and grasps at Tendler’s thinest lies.

See previous discussions of all of this the last time we discussed this.

Anything actually new?
KNHMEMBER2 Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 10:34 pm
If you think MT stuff is bad, you should read the New Hempstead News E-mails about Aron ….. in Calif
The women are writing horror stories!
What is it with the Tendlers??? HMMM?
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 10:44 pm
NewHempsteadTruth writes:
>It’s a shame that her attorney put the case ahead of her client

I do not believe that Adina’s lawyer is unethical and “put the case ahead of her client”, as you state. I have researched the firm, and they seem to be very credible. Therefore, I do not believe that Lenore Kramer would have sent a copy of the lawsuit to the NY Post nor granted an interview without Adina’s explicit consent. (If she did go to the press without Adina’s consent, Lenore could be disbarred.)

I believe that Adina and her lawyers know that clergy misconduct is not a valid basis for civil action in the state of New York. Therefore, knowing that they would not win in court, they decided to have Rabbi Tendler tried in the court of public opinion and went to the press (The Jewish Week, NY Post, and perhaps others).

I personally think that Adina did the right thing allowing her case to be sent to the press. It brough the Tendler allegations to a much wider audience, and hastened the downfall of Rabbi Tendler. She put her personal convictions ahead of her right to privacy by filing suit and going to the press. It was a commendable decision, and a hard one I’m sure.
No Lawyer but Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 11:00 pm
To Insider:

Your previous posts indicated you believed he was guilty but not totally certain. Recently, your posts have taken on a tone of certainty. Am I correct that you have seen enough evidence to support your new position? Also, were those 2 rabbonim who gave the DNA evidence reliable rabbis?
Outsider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 11:17 pm
To Insider:
I am, thank G-d, not a member of your shul, but I know several of the victims from around the neighborhood. The fact that you continue to repeat a certain victim’s name over and over earns you more points in hell! Every time that you repeat her name, you sink deeper and deeper. How can you not feel deep shame for helping to victimize these ladies all over again? The newspapers are one thing, no one has control over what the media does, especially after a case has been filed. But you, a supposedly Orthodox Jew should know better than to violate exactly what the prophets warned us against, oppressing helpless people. As you know, the punishment for these violations were severe with tragic consequences for the Jewish people.
insider Says:
January 24th, 2006 at 11:35 pm
No Lawyer but writes:
>Your previous posts indicated you believed he was guilty but not
>totally certain. Recently, your posts have taken on a tone of certainty.
>Am I correct that you have seen enough evidence to support your new
>position? Also, were those 2 rabbonim who gave the DNA evidence
>reliable rabbis?

You have a few mistakes here, and you have misunderstood what I have written previously. You write:

>Your previous posts indicated you believed he was guilty but
>not totally certain. Recently, your posts have taken on a tone
>of certainty. Am I correct that you have seen enough evidence
>to support your new position?
I believe that Rabbi Tendler is 100% guilty of particular transgressions that make me certain that he cannot remain at KNH or as a Rabbi in any capacity. However, I have not yet seen convincing evidence to support all of the allegations against him (including some of the more lurid ones). Therefore, on some accusations I believe that he is guilty. On other accusations, I’m not yet certain because I have not seen proof.

>Also, were those 2 rabbonim who gave the DNA evidence
>reliable rabbis?

You misunderstood. No rabbis presented any DNA evidence, so far as I am aware. The only DNA “evidence” that I am aware of is a single DNA report that does not contain Rabbi Tendler’s name anywhere. The report only states is that a DNA sample and a comparison sample came from the same DNA source, but the report does not attempt to determine who that DNA source is. I am told that there are other witnesses who can testify that the samples are from Rabbi Tendler.

I do not know the names of the person (or people) who posess the DNA report. I do not know the names of the people who claim to be witnesses that the DNA samples are from Rabbi Tendler. However, I hope that the holders of the report and the witnesses come forward immediately - since I maintain that the best way to remove Rabbi Tendler is for him to resign due to overwhelming irrefutable evidence against him.
insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 12:17 am
Outsider writes:
>The newspapers are one thing, no one has control over what the media
>does, especially after a case has been filed.

Adina consented to her lawyers to use her full name in interviews for newspapers with a total combined circulation of over 750,000 readers. She allowed her lawyers to use her full name in mass media outlets. I choose to only use her first name, because I think that it is unnecessary to use her full name.

You might not agree with her decision, but she had every right to choose whether or not to allow attorneys to discuss her name in public.

Consider the following sources that continue to publish her full name:
United Press International worldwide newswire
The Canonist (yes, the owner of this site!)
The Jewish Week
The Forward
National Catholic Reporter Abuse Tracker
UnorthodoxJew blog
Watercooler Stories
PervScan
AM1300 Radio Rockland
etc (255 hits on Google)

After you have convinced all those sources to stop using the full name of a woman who consented to have her name used, let me know. At that point I’d gladly continue the discussion of whether it is acceptable to use only her first name.
insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 12:22 am
Here are a few more sites for the list:

Luke Ford
ArcaMax
Portals Of Wonder
Snopes
Angel of the West
etc.
Sad and disappointed Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 4:24 am
I grew up as a totally non-observant Jew. I didn’t know any better and had no exposure to Torah studies or observance. The last few months I thought I had found something wonderful and had been studying with a rabbi and enjoyed my learning. The Tendler scandal upset my equanimity and caused me to ponder deeply my life’s direction. I am just writing this one blog, after being up all night thinking about this (I can’t sleep, it is bothering me so much) to say that I have decided to not be observant. I can not base my life and make the sacrifices that I am being asked to make when I have full knowledge that leaders of the Jewish community are embroiled in scandals of this sort. I am very very sad about this, but I don’t see how I can decide otherwise. If the rabbis themselves are doing outrageous things while preaching holiness, then why should I give up so much to follow a lie? Good bye Torah community. I will tell my rabbi today and explain it to him at morning prayers.
Victims Unite Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 5:15 am
It is clear to me “Insider�? has no sense of morality and is a Tendler person.
HE WANTS EVIDENCE SO KNH AND TENDLER KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DEALING WITH TO FIGHT THEIR CIVIL SUIT.
Unfortunately because Tendler has so many sources, leeks have been handled to him before action is taken and he’s very for a combat. The Tender team has been used to getting info. and intimidating witnesses before the charge & the support it brings that they just couldn’t comprehend in this case that the Post called them before Tendler was served. They can’t comprehend that they missed something.
“Insider�? is part of the KNH clan that victimizes women, has you see on this Blog, as he constantly post Plaintiffs name, as he post his perceived notions and motives for her whereabouts, sick; and characterizations-stories that aren’t the truth. “Insider�? is part of the KNH clan that harasses and threatens anyone who defies them. Note is name, he is the same KNH thug.
He feels threaten by JWB and this blog hence that’s why he yells and refutes you for reiterating a point, yet all of his post is propaganda for KNH. He feels threaten by JWB hence that’s why he demands for evidence which you well explained owns currently to the case pending under the Judiciary system where victim(s) can be protected. Tenlder and KNH thugs are people who have a history of acting authoritarian; hence “insider�? makes demands as Tendler also believes he can ask for resignations from the RCA which he no longer belongs and never had the authority to do. Tenlder and KNH thugs are people who have a history of threatening, harassing and intimidating to do anything to cover-up for the crimes they have committed. There is nothing honest or sincere in their claims or demands as “insider�? here has no quest to seek the truth. He is the serpent and has no ears. Psalm 12: Each one speaks untruth to his neighbor, smooth talk, with insincere hearts do they speak….they have eyes but do not see, they have ears but do not hear. Psalm 94: they say God will not see.
Victims Unite Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 5:48 am
Again “Insider�? you are a victimizer and only purpose is to smear Plantiffs’ name.
You will go to Gohenum.
Again, >The newspapers are one thing, no one has control over what the media
>does, especially after a case has been filed.
Again wrong that “she consented to have her name used�?, and certainly you never got permission.
Your list of where Plantiffs’ name shows up demonstrates your continual harassment- a KNH standard.
I hope the case against KNH wins.
KNH are women victimizers.
Fear your daughter may have to open up her legs so someone like you can say they have the evidence. And that will happen as long as you defend a sexual predator; as long as you victimized the daughters of Israel.
As it stands KNH filed with Tendler-Motion to Dismiss. That means they are on the same team.
Victims Unite Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 5:50 am
To KNHMEMBER2
You made a mistake again; “insider�? is the person you allowed evidence to be presented by two Rabbonim.
Again, constant leeking & not enough stance you need to take for vicitms.
You got caught in believing that helping “insider-KNH” save their edifice will get Tendler out. It won’t. They want him
You gave to a Rasha Merusha!
Anonymous Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 6:04 am
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NEXT
Anonymous Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 6:06 am
Anonymous
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Anonymous Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 6:22 am
Supporters of Tendler the Sexual Predator:
More to come…..
Rabbi Saul J. Berman
Rabbi Joseph Telushkin
David Pollack
Jerusalem Beit Din
Harry Grossman
Ralph Wm. Leibling, MD
Melissa S. Leibling, MD
Lou Weiss,
Fred Brinn,
PD,
Chaim Lasky,
Eric Lafazen,
Asher Taub,
Shlomo Pomeranz,
Yudi and Shira Teichman,
John Engleman,
Bruce Minsky,
Elaine Zoldan,
Mimi Zohar,
Eli Wolicki,
Hanan & Sara Waizman,
Sholome Rosenberg
Jewish Press
Susan L. Rosenbluth
Naomi Regan
known sexual abuser of women Rabbi Harlan David (Tsvi) Kilstein
Everyone should read the Rabbinic Sexual Misconduct Survivors Blog. I also think everyone should send a note
The Kehillat New Hempstead Board who signed their names for support in the Jewish Press
and those who still are currently on the Board
All Jewish Press Letters in the Editorial Section showing support of Tendler and against the RCA
and all Rabbis who spoke out against his abuse.
Anonymous Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 6:25 am
Supporters of Tendler the Sexual Predator:
Shelly and Ryan Karben
newhempsteadtruth Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 6:29 am
Victims Unite - Leaking is spelled with an “a” not an “e”. We are not dealing with simanim on Rosh Hashana. Once is a typo, twice is not.

Anonymous - Grow up. Say something intelligent.
Anonymous Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 6:51 am
you all make spelling and typo mistakes -all of you,
grow-up get a life-attackers of truth, supporters of abusers
Anonymous Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 6:55 am
On NewHempstead News
victim of Aron Tendler said…
He has been cheating on his wife for 20 years. This is no loss to the Jewish world. I personally had an inappropriate relationship with him for 14 years. So please dont defend him…..We tried for years to get rid of him and no one would listen to us, not even the then president of the shul.

Sounds LikeKNH supporters of his brother Mordecai

And yes, he told us he was molested as a child. He knows it’s ALL true and that’s why he is resigning. For no other reason.
insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 7:45 am
No Lawyer but says:
>Also, were those 2 rabbonim who gave the DNA evidence reliable rabbis?

I think that I now understand what you are referring to. Again, you have some of the facts confused.

There were 9 Rabbis who met with Rabbi Tendler, accusing him of incorrect halahic actions. At that meeting the topic of the sexual allegations against him was discussed. In a separate venue, some (or all) of those rabbis were played tapes of Rabbi Tendler attempting to seduce married women. [Note: No one at KNH has been given copies of those tapes.]

Rabbi Tendler repeateldy claimed that those rabbis vindicated him of the sexual allegations. In truth, they found him guilty of making improper halachic decisions, and they never made any public decision regarding the sexual allegations.

The KNH board met with 2 of those Rabbis (which is where I think that you got the number ‘2′) three weeks ago. Those rabbis informed the board that they never vindicated Rabbi Tendler of anything, and that they heard tapes of Rabbi Tendler attempting to seduce married women (they did not provide anything related to DNA evidence, nor did they claim to possess any). The rabbis did not have copies of the tapes and thus were not able to play the tapes for the KNH board. They did, however, agree to try their best to obtain copies of the tapes for the KNH board to hear. Over three weeks have passed and KNH has never received any tapes from those rabbis (to the best of my knowledge).

Now, regarding your question:
>Also, were those 2 rabbonim who gave the DNA evidence reliable rabbis?

As noted above, they did not provide any DNA evidence at all. However, both of those rabbis are very respected and reliable. I was told by one of the KNH board members that neither of the 2 rabbis are hassidic (which should make it easy for anyone to identify which 2 rabbis they are by looking at the list of the 7 rabbis that signed the letter. Only 2 of them are non-hassidic. Of course, you would have to know the “who’s who” of Monsey rabbis to know which ones are hassidic and which ones are not.)
insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 8:09 am
Ms. Anonymous’ list of “Tendler supporters” is partially accurate. Roughly 60% of the people on that list I believe are currently supporters of Rabbi Tendler. Ms. Anonymous omitted a few supporters as well (hint: get a list of everyone who resigned from the board and compare it to her list above).

However, I can tell you that Ms. Anonymous has some major mistakes on the list. Several people on her list are very vocal opponents of Rabbi Tendler and are actually the most active in trying to have him removed (even supporting methods similar to Mr. Whistleblower’s suggestions, in some cases).

>The Kehillat New Hempstead Board who signed their names for
>support in the Jewish Press and those who still are currently on
>the Board

The pro-Tendler members of the board resigned, because they realized that they could no longer prevent KNH from getting rid of Rabbi Tendler once the legal paths were cleared to do so. The remaining members of the board are not so pro-Tendler as you might think (and quite the opposite, in fact).

Based on your list, I can see that there is a lot that you don’t know about what is going on inside KNH.

The most interesting part of your list is the number of people that correctly do not appear on the list (the people who quit KNH). There were 275 members on the KNH list less than 12 months ago. The correct number of current supporters (some from the list that you post and some that you overlooked) is roughly 12 people. That is a 95% drop in supporters. Of the few people who still attend KNH, the majority want Rabbi Tendler removed as soon as possible. The 6am daily and 7am Shabbat minyans (the “opposition” minyans) substantially outnumber Rabbi Tendler’s 7am weekday and 9am Shabbat minyans (and this has been true for over 6 months). In fact, Rabbi Tendler’s 7am weekday minyan cannot even get a minyan anymore without asking boys from the yeshiva to join them.

PS. Some of the entries on your list are quite laughable:
Rabbi Saul J. Berman
Rabbi Joseph Telushkin
Naomi Ragen (not Regan, as you wrote it).
Those people don’t even know Rabbi Tendler, nor have they made any statement that would indicate that they support him. You only include them in your list because those 3 famous and respected people have spoken out against Vicki Polin or her Awareness Center, and the total lack of accountability for the contents of her website. See Luke Ford’s website for more information.
KNHmember Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 9:47 am
I’m insulted. How come my name didn’t make it?
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 10:29 am
Is the issue really about the survivor and her name? or is the issue really about Mordecai Tendler who is nothing more then a thug. Look at the way he is behaving verses the way Rabbi Juda Mintz dealt with his offenses ...

I think Mordecai could learn a lot from Mintz.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 10:32 am
Here’s an important article for the Tendler trio (Mordecai, Aron and Moshe). ...
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 11:27 am
These thugs are naming the victim to intimidate her and other victims from coming forward.

They’re more worried about protecting the assets of their shul and their friends’ personal guarantees of KNH’s mortgage than getting rid of Tendler or protecting women.
ViewFromOutside Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 11:56 am
all you folks are absolutely amazing (nuts,,that is)!!
1. look at the hours you folks are posting - have you no other life?
2. maybe one of you is on the board of KNH, but the rest of you are not, so how is it possible that aside from the one, that the rest of you can even begin to think you know what’s going on? It is obvious you are despirat eand foaming at the brain..
3. some of you write with such passion against Rabbi Tendler and claim that somany things will happen, yet with all the Rabbi’s that claim they knew, with all the so called verifiable evidence that is claimed to be “out there” (note, not where it belongs, where it could be put to use if it actually existed) nothing has happend to Rabbi Tendler for months/years”. That nothing has happend to him, shows how either you folks really have no real evidence, or whatever you have you cannot use for one reason or another (like maybe taken illegally or falsefied) , either way - obviously the only thing you folks know how to do is hide in this world of blogs and moan, instead of trying to really deal with the problem in the proper places (court, bais din etc) and thru the proper venues. In as much as you folks write all sorts of threats here, I see no action being taken - you want to picket him - why not where it matter - his home, KNH, heck, he doesn’t even have to be at the location - go some place public (like a supermarket) stand on your soapbox, pass out your claims and see what the public thinks - oh, that’s write, you can’t do this because you are afraid someone will see your face, know your name and then you will have to tell the actual truth and prove it or else you will have no where to live where people respect or trust you - sounds like the same ending that Rabbi Tendler may have - wouldn’t that be interesting.
Now, yes - you all will now trash what I’ve said, pick it apart and try to figure out who it is, claim I’m a supporter of his and all that however that will be pure conjecture - when I was told about this blog a few days ago, It came to me as “you won’t beleive how some people actually spend the time writing such trash and garbage” - boy where they right. You are wasting your lives. If you have something, take it to where it can be used!! some of you claim to have taken Pomerantz name to the DA, did you take all the allegations and proof that you claim to the DA as well? if not why? oh yes, I forget, Rabbi Tendler controls the world….
yeah, OK…time for all you to check in to the residence on 1st avenue…they have some nice clean white rooms for all of you, and real snug jackets as well…will be more compfortable then hell when you get there.
Now, you’ve really gotten me upset, as I have wasted way to much time even writting all this….
insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 12:16 pm
>These thugs are naming the victim to intimidate her and other victims
>from coming forward.

I know the names of every woman who was interviewed in the RCA investigation (two of the women I know personally). I know the names of women who have come forward who were not part of the RCA investigation. I do not use their names because they have chosen to keep their names out of the public spotlight. They did not consent for their names to be used publicly, so it would be unethical for me to use their names (even their first names).

If, as you claim, I use Adina’s name (first name only) to deter other victims from coming forward, then it would seem logical that I would use all of the victims names, including Adina’s last name. Of course, I do not use the other victim’s names, nor do I use Adina’s last name. Therefore, there is a rather large hole in the logic of your assertion.
jewishwhistleblower Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 1:04 pm
>ViewFromOutside
>…
>nothing has happend to Rabbi Tendler for months/years�?.
>That nothing has happend to him …
>…

1) Articles written in reputable newspapers alleging serious allegations of sexual misconduct
2) Thrown out of the RCA publicly with statements posted on their website after year long investigation that found he had behaved inappropriately
3) Resigned from JCFS
4) Removed from YU
5) half his board resigns
6) Dayanim in Mosey make letters and psak public
7) 90% of congregation leaves
8) Civil suit filed against him
9) shul barely has a regular minyan anymore
10) Brother Aron Tendler resigns from pulpit days after Luke Ford publishes statements from victims on his website

Boy, nothing really has happened to him has it?
Victims Unite Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 1:47 pm
Anonymous Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 1:58 pm
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Fact checker Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
The letter by Rav Dovid and Reuven Feinstein is a travesty! Do they think that they have control over reality that they can say that the truth about RMT is a lie? What do they mean that it is “assur to read” the truth? On what basis do they issue this pronouncement? What do they mean that only a Bes Din can authorize people to act differently toward RMT? Do people need a Bes Din to give permission to make perfectly simple judgements about what they see and hear with their own eyes and ears? This is thought police! I dont excuse them for being fooled by their nephew. They should have looked into his activity themselves before making their statement.
KNHMEMBER2 Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 2:57 pm
Fact checker 2:31
That is why our Holy Torah prohibits relatives from bein witnessess’, because when it comes to your own blood, your vision becomes clouded!
insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
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:)
a real insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 4:03 pm
Anonymous Says:

January 25th, 2006 at 6:22 am
Supporters of Tendler the Sexual Predator:
More to come…..
Rabbi Saul J. Berman
Rabbi Joseph Telushkin
David Pollack
Jerusalem Beit Din
Harry Grossman
Ralph Wm. Leibling, MD
Melissa S. Leibling, MD
Lou Weiss,
Fred Brinn,
PD,
Chaim Lasky,
Eric Lafazen,
Asher Taub,
Shlomo Pomeranz,
Yudi and Shira Teichman,
John Engleman,
Bruce Minsky,
Elaine Zoldan,
Mimi Zohar,
Eli Wolicki,
Hanan & Sara Waizman,
Sholome Rosenberg
Jewish Press
Susan L. Rosenbluth
Naomi Regan
known sexual abuser of women Rabbi Harlan David (Tsvi) Kilstein
Everyone should read the Rabbinic Sexual Misconduct Survivors Blog. I also think everyone should send a note
The Kehillat New Hempstead Board who signed their names for support in the Jewish Press
and those who still are currently on the Board
All Jewish Press Letters in the Editorial Section showing support of Tendler and against the RCA
and all Rabbis who spoke out against his abuse.

Anonymous Says:

January 25th, 2006 at 6:25 am
Supporters of Tendler the Sexual Predator:
Shelly and Ryan Karben

BASED UPON THIS ALONE, YOU REALLY KNWO NOTHING ABOUT THE WORKINGS OF KNH AND IT’S BOARD. TRUST ME SHELLY KARBEN IS NO SUPPORTER OF RMT. NOR ARE SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE ON THAT LIST.

DOES IT OCCUR TO NO ONE HERE THAT THE KNH BOARD MAY BE TRYING TO RESOLVE THE RMT ISSUE IN A WAY THAT PROTECTS THE SCHUL FROM LIABILITY ANYWHERE? IS ANY ONE HERE AWARE THAT THE MEMBERSHIP OF KNN, ESPECIALLY THOSE MOST VOCALLY IN FAVOR OF REMOVING RMT, IS MOST UNCOOPERATIVE IN INITIATING THE ONLY WAY HE CAN BE REMOVED FROM THE PULPIT? THINK ABOUT THAT
Fact checker Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 4:04 pm
SIW: Time to start a new open thread
Steven I. Weiss Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 5:17 pm
All - Before I start a new open thread, a few things:
1) I received an e-mail from R’ Tsvi Kilstein protesting his being named here as a “known sexual abuser.” Indeed, if the accusations against someone haven’t even reached the level required to merit an entry on The Awareness Center’s list, it’d be unfair of me to allow him to be referred as such, even in this open forum. Any future references to him as such without any new information may be deleted before they get posted.
2) All this guessing/claiming who in this thread is a specific person is ridiculous. If you’re all going to be anonymous, don’t be stupid enough to assume that it’s so easy to pierce the anonymity of someone else.
3) I’m not going to remove the name of an alleged victim from posts here, if that person has already allowed her name to be used in other fora, without being provided a specific request from that person that I find sufficient.
4) This conversation has had some high points, but has developed some pretty bad lows, as well. There’s no need for spamming or flaming, and if it keeps up, I may remove individual users and/or the entire conversation.
5) Everyone in this conversation has to provide a valid, primary e-mail address. It will remain confidential to everyone but me, and is inaccessible to anyone but me.
JewishSurvivors Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 5:38 pm
Steven, did the lawyer of the Tendler survivor have permission to use her name in a public forum? I know often attorney’s do not think in the best interest of a the person. They are more concerned about a case. This is one of the reasons why the US Dept. developed their guidelines. As Jews, we need to be held to a higher standard. Steven, please rethink your decision.

If you want more survivors to come forward, they need to have their rights protected. Please follow the guidelines for journalists when dealing with survivors of sexual crimes.
insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 6:34 pm
>Steven, did the lawyer of the Tendler survivor have permission to use
>her name in a public forum?

If a lawyer discusses a client’s case with anyone for any reason other than professional consultation, it is grounds for being disbarred. This certainly includes discussing a client’s case with the 675,000 subscribers of the NY Post.

Many people here, including Mr. Whistleblower, have stated time and again how wonderful Adina’s lawyers are. Assuming that those posters are correct, I doubt that such wonderful lawyers would stoop to levels at which they could be disbarred and lose their right to practice law in the state of New York.

Either Adina gave consent, or her lawyers are unethical and should be disbarred. Period.
a real insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 6:49 pm
JewishSurvivors Says:

January 25th, 2006 at 5:38 pm
Steven, did the lawyer of the Tendler survivor have permission to use her name in a public forum? I know often attorney’s do not think in the best interest of a the person. They are more concerned about a case. This is one of the reasons why the US Dept. developed their guidelines. As Jews, we need to be held to a higher standard. Steven, please rethink your decision.

If you want more survivors to come forward, they need to have their rights protected. Please follow the guidelines for journalists when dealing with survivors of sexual crimes.

THOSE GUIDELINES YOU TOUT ARE NOT AUTHORITATIVE, AND MEAN VERY LITTLE. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IN THIS COUNTRY AT LEAST, ONE IS NOT GUARANTEED ANONYMITY WHEN MAKING SALACIOUS ACCUSATIONS. ADINA MARMELSTEIN, WHO CLAIMS TO LIVE ON CENTRAL PARK WEST IN NEW YORK CITY, HAS FILED A LAWSUIT. SHE PUT HERSLEF IN THE PUBLIC EYE. ADINA MARMELSTEIN CHOSE TO DO THAT. I SEE NO REASON FOR ANYONE TO PROTECT THE IDENTITY OF ADINA MARMELSETIN, THE PLAINTIFF IN THE LAWSUIT AGAINST RMT AND KNH.
Victims Unite Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 7:51 pm
Steven I. Weiss,
I hear that you were e-mailed a request to leave her name off.
You replied you don’t have evidence from her that she wants her name off.
You then were asked to give your phone # so she can call you.
You have ignored all requests.
You provided no means for her to state anything to you.
So post your phone # or e-mail back your phone#
Otherwise while you are accusing those pointing fingers you are in fact allowing unnecessary and harassing pointing at the Plaintiff
Victims Unite Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
I suggest that everyone not answer insider any more he doesn’t deserve your time
Victims Unite Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 8:02 pm
I suggest that everyone not answer real insider any more he doesn’t deserve your time.

This is KNH making victims criminal

And those supporters posted above-if not now still they were, they treated victims like criminals and allowed those who brought claims against Tendler to be treated like criminal dragging them through the media
a real insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 8:36 pm
Victims Unite Says:

January 25th, 2006 at 7:54 pm
I suggest that everyone not answer insider any more he doesn’t deserve your time

WHT BECAUSE I INVOKED THE NAME ADINA MARMELSTEIN WHO CLAIMS TO LIVE ON CENTRAL PARK WEST IN NEW YORK CITY THE PLAINTIFF AGAINST RMT AND KNH? IT’S A PUBLIC RECORD FOR G-D’S SAKE!!! ANYONE CAN WALK INTO THE BASEMENT OF 60 CENTRE STREET AND COPY THE SUMMONS WITH HER NAME AND ADDRESS ON IT. WHAT EXACTLY IS THE BIG DEAL?
insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 8:55 pm
There is no logical basis for SIW to prohibit people from quoting a name that is in major US newspapers, on global newswires, and on 255 websites. After all, SIW himself placed Adina’s full name on this blog, because there was nothing wrong in doing so. SIW has enough brains and intellectual honesty to know that the lawsuit between Adina and Rabbi Tendler is in the public domain and that honest laywers only comment to the press with their client’s consent.

If Adina asks SIW to remove her name from this blog, then I believe that SIW should request the Adina submit a signed document stating that her lawyers released her name and/or commented on her case without her consent. That document would be of great interest to the NY Bar Association. If she is willing to provide such a document, then I will stop using her first name on this blog.

Of course, Adina will never sign such a document, because we all know full well that her lawyers would have never commented to the press without her consent. Adina might now regret giving her consent, but there is little that can be done to erase her name from 255 websites and the minds of hundreds of thousands of people who read the periodicals that printed the interview with her lawyer.
insider Says:
January 25th, 2006 at 9:00 pm
Please do not post any more comments in this thread. Discussion of this topic continues in another thread.
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KNHmember Says:
January 26th, 2006 at 4:57 pm
What is in the Yaakov Tendler packet that showed up in today’s mail? Anyone have a chance to look at it yet?
Sharoninpain Says:
January 28th, 2006 at 10:17 pm
Although it was consensual sex, Tovia Singer manipulated me, with his charisma, to have sex with him after we met at one of his lectures. For Tovia to call himself a Rabbi and great Jewish leader is a mockery. There are other women he has manipulated. Has he pulled the wool over your eyes? Let us know! No wonder he defended “Tendler�?. He is in the same league.

Anyone thinking of associating themselves with him should think again. Look beyond his “cute” charisma and you will find a sick, lonely, needy and pathetic individual. He smokes like a chimney, lies like no other and is shady in his financial matters. A real womenizer.

He hurt me and I will never forgive him.
Angry Says:
February 4th, 2006 at 10:36 am
why do you only speak of innocent women?

what about the innocent husbands that those women ended up DIVORCING after tendler
convinced them that their husbands didnt know what they were doing and were
either too frum or too frei…
orora Says:
March 2nd, 2006 at 10:32 pm
I am working on forming a support group to help cope with the fall out of tendler situation, does anyone have any thoughts abot that? please give a thumb up or down…

Thanks
Mendel shliftkums Says:
March 16th, 2006 at 3:04 pm
I meant to say, that the Israeli babe was totally unbelievable.

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